NFL 2012 Season Thread

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Watched this whole stinking half hoping Tebow would get in. Awful. Glad the Jets are terrible.

[Mercenary]

Loved that game.

[#1-norm-fan]

I bet you did, lisat.

[Mercenary]

I bet you did, lisat.

Once again I ask who the fuck is that?

[#1-norm-fan]

You tell me... You tell me...

[Supreme Olajuwon]

He knows who he is because he's read the thread before. So this is classic faux naivete. But that's for another thread.

[Mercenary]

He knows who he is because he's read the thread before. So this is classic faux naivete. But that's for another thread.


Ok then....

[The Condor]

get ready for the Lance Ball show

and also me sticking a gun in my mouth

As a Broncos fan I'm looking forward to anyone but Blowshon Moreno toting the rock. MacGahees injury hurts a lot, but I like the flashes from Hillman in the last few games.

[FearedSanctity]

DROSTAT ALERT:

Knowshon's career stats vs the Chiefs in 4.5 games (the .5 from when he tore his ACL early in the game last season) are 74 carries for 455yds, 6.14ypc and 4 TDs. Also 7 catches for 112yds and a TD. So if anything he's the best option for this week, at least

[Kris P Lettus]

Droford is currently banned from this thread and posting Drostats is now a bannable offence..

p.s. LOL Cowboys..

[Innovator]

If teams triple teamed Witten, I wonder what Romo would do

[Supreme Olajuwon]

throw to Witten obviously

[Nark Order]

The Jets are embarrassing. Sweet mother of fuck.

[itsmeJD]

Yep, and Ryan saying Mark Sanchez provides them the best chance to win is the most unintentionally hilarious thing I've heard all week.

[#1-norm-fan]

If teams triple teamed Witten, I wonder what Romo would do

throw to Witten obviously

Or throw it to Dez Bryant so he can make 3 great catches and then fumble/drop an easy one.

[#1-norm-fan]

Yep, and Ryan saying Mark Sanchez provides them the best chance to win is the most unintentionally hilarious thing I've heard all week.

That could be true... as horrifying as it sounds.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

And if Tebow is so terrible that he can't get on the field over Mark Sanchez, imagine how bad their 3rd stringer Greg McElroy must be if they chose to keep him inactive when Tebow was apparently too hurt to play.

[#1-norm-fan]

Bottom line: The Jets need to sign Vince Young and start him next week.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

What's Jeff George up to these days

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Tebow will be switching teams again this offseason. It's been the huge distraction that everybody knew it would the second the trade happened. If the Giants didn't win the Super Bowl, the Jets never would have entertained the idea of bringing in Tebow. It was a move to grab headlines and sell jerseys, nothing more.

I think the Jets may have to release Tebow outright, because I'm not sure any team would give up even a 7th round pick for him at this point. Even most of the teams with QB woes don't look like fits. The Browns aren't giving up on Weeden after 1 year and sinking a 1st round pick on him. The Cardinals and Chiefs will be going QB in the 1st round of the 2013 draft.

The Jaguars are the default favorite just because it's Florida...he and Gabbert could compete for the job. But if Gabbert wins out, Tebow would be back in the same situation he's already in. And there's always the chance Chad Henne plays well enough to stick around as the starter, too.</font>

[#1-norm-fan]

What's Jeff George up to these days

Rooming with Tim Couch somewhere. At least that's the sitcom in my head.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>We're fast approaching flex scheduling season in the NFL. Cowboys/Eagles on SNF next week, but I can't see NBC pulling the plug on Dallas with the ratings they get - especially with them not being eliminated yet or anything.

Jets/Chargers in Week 16 is good as gone, though. CBS will probably protect Bengals/Steelers that week...whereas FOX can only protect one of Giants/Ravens, 49ers/Seahawks, or Saints/Cowboys...all which could potentially be meaningful.</font>

[#1-norm-fan]

If the Giants lose to Green Bay, Dallas and Philly is definitely going on as planned with it potentially being for the lead in the NFC East. (lol)

Lions @ Packers in week 14 and 49ers @ Patriots in week 15 definitely stay. I'm gonna guess 49ers @ Seahawks for week 16 and depending on what the Giants do, Cowboys/Redskins to close out the season. Nothing really jumps out at me for week 17 even with all the division games. Maybe Colts/Texans if Indy has a playoff berth at stake.

[DrA]

<font color=goldenrod>Tebow will be switching teams again this offseason. It's been the huge distraction that everybody knew it would the second the trade happened. If the Giants didn't win the Super Bowl, the Jets never would have entertained the idea of bringing in Tebow. It was a move to grab headlines and sell jerseys, nothing more.

I think the Jets may have to release Tebow outright, because I'm not sure any team would give up even a 7th round pick for him at this point. Even most of the teams with QB woes don't look like fits. The Browns aren't giving up on Weeden after 1 year and sinking a 1st round pick on him. The Cardinals and Chiefs will be going QB in the 1st round of the 2013 draft.

The Jaguars are the default favorite just because it's Florida...he and Gabbert could compete for the job. But if Gabbert wins out, Tebow would be back in the same situation he's already in. And there's always the chance Chad Henne plays well enough to stick around as the starter, too.</font>

Incidentally, draft picks are extremely overvalued in the NFL. It's gotten ridiculous in the last five years or so, where teams now are hesitant to trade a fourth round draft pick to get a pro bowl player. It's so gay.

[#1-norm-fan]

Incidentally, draft picks are extremely overvalued in the NFL. It's gotten ridiculous in the last five years or so, where teams now are hesitant to trade a fourth round draft pick to get a pro bowl player. It's so gay.

They're overvalued to you. But every team obviously assumes the guys they draft from round 1 to round 7 are going to be studs so the value is much different.

[OssMan]

:y::y::y::y::y:RG Third:y::y::y::y::y:

[#1-norm-fan]

Shut up and pick a team already, you flip-flopping motherfucker.

[OssMan]

What a dumb ass rule that is about illegally throwing the challenge flag. What happens if Houston's coach had thrown it in that situation? Is that just a huge loophole that would prevent the refs from reviewing the play? I hope Houston wins now because the NFL will forget about this rule if the Lions win, but the rule will only actually change if it changes the outcome.
Serious

What if Houston had thrown a flag there instead of Detroit

Would they forgo the review still

[#1-norm-fan]

I guess they would say it's still reviewable since the review would not "benefit" Houston.

[OssMan]

Giants and Redskins for life dude

[OssMan]

I guess they would say it's still reviewable since the review would not "benefit" Houston.
So

Did they write that in the rules, "beneficial" is subjective

[#1-norm-fan]

Every explanation I've heard has been that they can not "benefit" from a review after throwing a flag illegally.

[#1-norm-fan]

I think a team needs to throw a flag after scoring a questionable touchdown in a blowout just to see what happens. That's the only way we'll get a true view of things.

[#1-norm-fan]

Or atleast someone needs to ask someone in the fucking NFL what would happen in that situation which I have somehow not been able to find yet.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

It'd probably be like the 10 second runoff rule. If an offense in the lead false starts in the 4th quarter, they don't do the automatic runoff. But if an offense that's losing false starts, they do the runoff.

[#1-norm-fan]

But winning and losing doesn't matter there. The Lions were actually ahead when the TD was called. Obviously a review would benefit the defense so that was a situation where the benefit was clear. What if there was a questionable catch on a pick and a questionable spot all on the same play though? Part of the review benefits the defense and part benefits the offense. So one team throwing the flag negates the other teams ability to have the call corrected?

[Emperor Smeat]

The system got messed up a bit once they added in auto-reviews and then after rules preventing the team without the ball to delay the next play to force a review to be done.

Even the boss of the review system says the current rules favor punishing anyone who creates a delay even if it was by accident than actually seeing if the call was correct.

"The rule was put in place really to prevent a team in a challenge situation from creating a delay," Blandino said, according to NFL.com. "They're thinking about challenging the play, they commit a foul, jump offside, false start, now they've given themselves more time to make that decision.

I think in theory had Houston tossed the flag, they'd lose the TD and get hit with the 15 yard penalty.

It gets explained right at the end: http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/8664826/nfl-competition-committee-reconsider-challenge-rule

[#1-norm-fan]

Giving benefit to the other team by not reviewing the play is subjective though. I still haven't seen the official wording of the rule oddly enough too. Houston losing the TD and getting a 15 yard penalty wouldn't exactly be just since it still ignores the issue of whether the call was right or wrong.

[#1-norm-fan]

Turnovers are also automatically reviewed. So what if on 4th down, a player intercepts the ball 30 yards down the field? Can the offense's coach throw a flag and prevent the review that would give the defensive team 30 yards?

[James Steele]

NFL should just go to college rules for reviews. Barring a couple of instances of incompetent jackasses, it doesn't slow the game down much at all. Get the fucking call right is all that matters.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Bengals are back to .500, in the thick of the playoff race, and have Carson Palmer coming back to Paul Brown Stadium on Sunday

And they still didn't sell out. I live in a great football town! Woo!

[Kris P Lettus]

Are you going to the game??

[Supreme Olajuwon]

yeah I got like 47 tickets

[Supreme Olajuwon]

not really that bummed about it cause 1 I can just stream it and 2 that shit is mad expensive

the nfl is pretty gay

[Kris P Lettus]

can i go

[owenbrown]

CBS has a shitty slate of games on Sunday

[Supreme Olajuwon]

yeah

[Supreme Olajuwon]

owenbrown will u go tell your story in 100,000 Replies please

[owenbrown]

I have no stories to tell.... nothing to see here

[Evil Vito]

They're overvalued to you. But every team obviously assumes the guys they draft from round 1 to round 7 are going to be studs so the value is much different.

<font color=goldenrod>Pretty much this. While coaches and GMs realistically know not everybody will pan out (numbers game, etc.) - teams don't pick guys if they don't think there's a chance of them being a real difference maker. Plenty of talent buried in the lower rounds of the draft, even the undrafted free agent pool for that matter.

Now personally, I wouldn't hesitate to take a surefire Pro Bowler for a 4th rounder...but some teams just have a ton of faith in their scouting department.</font>

[owenbrown]

http://distilleryimage2.s3.amazonaws.com/650fb1d60fec11e2bf2722000a1fbc66_6.jpg

[DrA]

<font color=goldenrod>Pretty much this. While coaches and GMs realistically know not everybody will pan out (numbers game, etc.) - teams don't pick guys if they don't think there's a chance of them being a real difference maker. Plenty of talent buried in the lower rounds of the draft, even the undrafted free agent pool for that matter.

Now personally, I wouldn't hesitate to take a surefire Pro Bowler for a 4th rounder...but some teams just have a ton of faith in their scouting department.</font>

That's not quite what I'm talking about. I'm not saying that the draft is overvalued, rather that draft picks relative to using them in trades is, particularly after around the second or third round. Obviously the consistently good teams are developed in the draft, and I'm not downplaying that there is talent available in the later rounds, but it's about quality over quantity. A lot of these teams believe that if they stack up on picks they're more likely to hit it big in the draft, but it rarely seems to work out that way and they just wind up with more deadbeats. Beyond the top picks I don't know if there's that significant of a parallel between the overall quality of talent a team takes in the draft and how many picks they have or where in the round they draft. Maybe there's a website that has that sort of information.

I think if a big name player gets traded for a low pick a lot of the time it has something to do with that player's contract or he's a pain in the ass and they just want to get rid of him somehow. With regards to individual draft picks, however, the odds are more likely than not that the player will be out of the league in a couple of years, and the potential of drafting a Trent Cole or Leon Washington type of player in a later round is overstated.

I'm certainly not advocating teams like Dallas that give up all of their draft picks to get Roy Williams and Joey Galloway, but it seems like teams now are so afraid of making a 'Herschel Walker trade' that they've taken to the other end of that extreme.

[DrA]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft07/news/story?id=2853116

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>The Patriots' specialty really is trading for troubled guys in exchange for mid-to-low round draft picks. At this point if a guy like that is on the market, I expect the Pats to get them. Moss, Ochocinco, and recently Aqib Talib. Rarely does there seem to be much of an issue, cause Belichick doesn't tolerate any of their bullshit. Moss eventually acted up, and so they traded him out of town after getting a few really good years out of him.

The Ochocinco experiment was a failure, but when the move happened I think everybody expected him to have a career rejuvenation simply because it was the Patriots.</font>

[Kris P Lettus]

I had a dream about Darren Sproles last night..

[itsmeJD]

I had a dream about Michael Turner a couple nights back. Everything that touched him caused him to fall over, and he usually bumped into something every 2 yards or so.

[Emperor Smeat]

<font color=goldenrod>The Patriots' specialty really is trading for troubled guys in exchange for mid-to-low round draft picks. At this point if a guy like that is on the market, I expect the Pats to get them. Moss, Ochocinco, and recently Aqib Talib. Rarely does there seem to be much of an issue, cause Belichick doesn't tolerate any of their bullshit. Moss eventually acted up, and so they traded him out of town after getting a few really good years out of him.

The Ochocinco experiment was a failure, but when the move happened I think everybody expected him to have a career rejuvenation simply because it was the Patriots.</font>

The lockout hurt him the most considering he never had a real chance to learn and get used to the new system. Also didn't help he arrived right when BB started to redo the formation in a 2 TE set.

The bigger bust was Haynesworth considering he had the potential to really improve the pass rush core and instead barely bothered to do anything.

[Krimzon7]

... You're praising a guy's winning percentage (.500) who has TWO playoff games, one of which he was bent over and raped in to a guy who has NINETEEN playoff games under his belt and saying "LOOK WHO HAS THE BETTER PLAYOFF WINNING PERCENTAGE!" lol. Come on.

And it's a shame Manning only has one game winning playoff drive under his belt, the same as Tebow. That one game winning drive happened to be one of the biggest comebacks in playoff history. And he kinda crushes Tebow in the "blowing out teams in the playoffs and eliminating any need to have to come back" department (Sorry Broncos fans).

Oh and let's also ignore the fact that Tebow sucked ass against Buffalo and Kansas City in the final two weeks of the season last year to back his team to an 8-8 record and allow other teams to secure their playoff spot. CLUTCH.

So in this post that you've quoted, I stated that I am not praising Tebow as much as I'm damning Peyton Manning. More specifically I'm damning the people who think that Manning is the best ever. The one game winning drive being the greatest comebacks in Playoff history is debatable as long as the Buffalo Bills and Frank Reich exist. My issue doesn't lie with him blowing out wild card teams...Peytong Manning is a front runner, he does well with that. But do you deny the fact that he has a losing record in the playoffs as a whole? I'm sure if you asked every player in the NFL if you were in the AFC/NFC Championship or the Superbowl, and you needed your quarterback to lead a game winning drive would you choose Peyton manning to do it; You would be shocked to learn that he'd get a resounding 'hell the fuck no'.


I don't deny that Peyton Manning has amazing stats. I just subscribe to the notion that stats don't mean jack shit when you don't have titles to justify that. He has one, and he literally threw another one away. It can be argued that Eli Manning has built a stronger Hall of Fame case quicker than Peyton.

[FearedSanctity]

As a Broncos fan

Forgot about this, but welcome to the club :wave:

Pretty sure the Broncos are TPWW's best represented team

[Kris P Lettus]

Which only seemed to happen as of last year..

;)TEBOW;)

(skippord has been representing forever though)

[owenbrown]

http://distilleryimage2.s3.amazonaws.com/650fb1d60fec11e2bf2722000a1fbc66_6.jpg

[FearedSanctity]

Which only seemed to happen as of last year..

;)TEBOW;)

(skippord has been representing forever though)

FU fgt, been posting almost exculsively on TPWW in the NFL thread as a Denver fan for almost 9 years.

Pretty sure Naitch, Dave and ClockShot were on board before TEBOW TIME 2011, as was CNM before he disappeared. Not sure if I'm missing anyone else

[#1-norm-fan]

The one game winning drive being the greatest comebacks in Playoff history is debatable as long as the Buffalo Bills and Frank Reich exist.

"One of".

My issue doesn't lie with him blowing out wild card teams...Peytong Manning is a front runner, he does well with that. But do you deny the fact that he has a losing record in the playoffs as a whole? I'm sure if you asked every player in the NFL if you were in the AFC/NFC Championship or the Superbowl, and you needed your quarterback to lead a game winning drive would you choose Peyton manning to do it; You would be shocked to learn that he'd get a resounding 'hell the fuck no'.

Who's the other option here? Tebow? (I know you said you aren't "praising" Tebow but this did all start with you trying to say that Tebow was the better option and defending that with last season) I'd say hell the fuck yes... Do you deny the fact that he has a WINNING record in the same AFC/NFC Championship/Super Bowls iyou're trying to knock him for not being able to win? (That winning record also happens to include the comeback he led against New England)

I don't deny that Peyton Manning has amazing stats. I just subscribe to the notion that stats don't mean jack shit when you don't have titles to justify that. He has one, and he literally threw another one away. It can be argued that Eli Manning has built a stronger Hall of Fame case quicker than Peyton.

lol, you like harping on that INT. He didn't "literally throw another one away". He threw a pick six in a game where he was already behind and trying to lead a game winning drive. If the drive doesn't end in a TD, it's the same result. He threw a pick. Alright. Let's just discount everything because of that one pick. Fact of the matter is, he's got a WINNING RECORD in championship games and you're making it a point to say that you should be terrified to have him leading your team into a championship game. That alone is ridiculous.

[DaveBrawl]

Forgot about this, but welcome to the club :wave:

Pretty sure the Broncos are TPWW's best represented team

They also have the highest quality TPWW posters.

Which only seemed to happen as of last year..

;)TEBOW;)

(skippord has been representing forever though)

Psssh it was Orton that brought me here.

[itsmeJD]

Really not looking forward to Martin breaking tackles all day. I hope Atlanta can find a way to stop him, but considering backs have had a field day against Atlanta this year I'm not as optimistic.

[Kris P Lettus]

Doug Martin is really good..

:(

[Kris P Lettus]

That's what Mike Smith was just writing down..

"Doug Martin is really good

:("

[itsmeJD]

Yeah, Bucs made that first drive look easy. Meanwhile Michael Turner is avg. 2 yds/carry.

[Hanso Amore]

Ty Hilton is dead

[Hanso Amore]

Cj spiller makes me feel alive again

[#1-norm-fan]

lol. All four Pittsburgh running backs have fumbled in the first half. Mendenhall, Redman and Dwyer all lost fumbles and were benched for the next guy and Chris Rainey just fumbled but it went out of bounds.

[Emperor Smeat]

And yet the Browns are still loosing.

[FearedSanctity]

Prater has been kinda shitty lately

[Crimson]

Doug Martin is really good..

:(

Good thing the Bucs traded up for him. Or else Giants woulda drafted him

[Ermaximus]

SHORTS III!

[FearedSanctity]

http://i.imgur.com/jQiRd.png

[#1-norm-fan]

And NFL RedZone is all over the sprinkler puns.

[FearedSanctity]

Aaaahahaha CBS game break for the sprinklers

[Ermaximus]

http://i.imgur.com/jQiRd.png

The sprinkler guys must've been traded to Toronto during that Marlins trade.

[FearedSanctity]

Woodyard what the fuck

[RoXer]

Guys, please reallocate all sprinkler related posts to the NFL Sprinkler 2012 thread.

Thanks.

[ClockShot]

http://i.imgur.com/jQiRd.png

The Buffalo Wild Wings guy got started a little early.

[FearedSanctity]

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/1790349/sprinklers.gif

[itsmeJD]

Michael Turner, I hate you. 8 carries, 18 yards.

[#1-norm-fan]

lol Brady Quinn. Was going for a screen to the running back on third down and there was a defender in the path... so he just immediately threw it to the ground.

Fuck looking for another option. Too much work.

[Ermaximus]

Where is Owenbrown at?

[#1-norm-fan]

Preparing some sort of heel monologue no doubt.

[FearedSanctity]

lol Brady Quinn. Was going for a screen to the running back on third down and there was a defender in the path... so he just immediately threw it to the ground.

Fuck looking for another option. Too much work.

Pretty sure on most screens there is no other option

[#1-norm-fan]

The rush wasn't coming though. He had time. Someone could have gotten off their block and caught a pass. I've never seen a QB just take the snap, look at one guy and then throw the ball down without being hurried.

[screech]

Brady Quinn sucks either way.

[Ermaximus]

Lol, fuck you and your Cover D. Have you learned nothing from this season?

[Ermaximus]

Lowery just saved the game!

[#1-norm-fan]

And NOW Rainey has lost a fumble. Insane. All 4 RBs lose a fumble. 7 turnovers total by Pittsburgh.

[FearedSanctity]

And yet they're only down by 6

CLEVELAND BROWNS FOOTBALL

[Emperor Smeat]

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[Ermaximus]

Lol fuck you Titans. That "Music City Miracle" bullshit won't work today.

[Ermaximus]

Woooo, we're not the worst team in the league now! That honor is all yours Chiefs!

[Emperor Smeat]

And NOW Rainey has lost a fumble. Insane. All 4 RBs lose a fumble. 7 turnovers total by Pittsburgh.

Must have caught the fumbleitis from Philly recently.

[Corndad]

8 Turnovers. Just can't win with that. Don't care who you are playing. Batch looked dreadful today.

[screech]

Steelers lose! Wooooooooo!

[#1-norm-fan]

8 Turnovers. Just can't win with that. Don't care who you are playing. Batch looked dreadful today.

It is pretty crazy to think though that with a -7 turnover differential, they were still one score away from winning.

[Corndad]

It is pretty crazy to think though that with a -7 turnover differential, they were still one score away from winning.

Offense has completely let down the defense last 2 weeks. With the way Defense has played vs Ravens last week and Browns this week they really should be 2-0 but when you let up a special teams TD last week and give up that many turn overs on your side of the field this week, its almost a lost cause for them.

[Nark Order]

Let's do this, Krispy.

[Nark Order]

Love that Kaepernick has some legs on him.

[ClockShot]

Lousy win for Denver today. Fox had zero faith in the running game until the 4th quarter and Charles and McCutchen were making it look easy for Kansas City.

I was afraid this was gonna happen.

[owenbrown]

well fuck

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Lousy win for Denver today. Fox had zero faith in the running game until the 4th quarter and Charles and McCutchen were making it look easy for Kansas City.

I was afraid this was gonna happen.

Glad to see someone is taking over the owenbrown role

[owenbrown]

http://deadspin.com/5963101/if-youve-ever-wanted-to-hear-ed-hochuli-talk-about-buttocks-today-is-your-day

[owenbrown]

Glad to see someone is taking over the owenbrown role

good because I am tired of that shitty role

[Nark Order]

Might be time to cut Ted Ginn.

[Nark Order]

AHMAD BROOKS. TIE BALL GAME

[Krimzon7]

6-5 and making our move...

http://prod.images.bengals.clubs.nflcdn.com/image-web/NFL/CDA/data/deployed/prod/BENGALS/assets/images/imported/CIN/photos/clubimages/2012/11-November/tempAP767521350913--nfl_mezz_1280_1024.jpg?width=620&height=465

[owenbrown]

against the Raiders :roll:

[Nark Order]

That's it. If Kaepernick pulls this out, I vow to purchase his jersey today.

[#1-norm-fan]

Brees throwing touchdown passes left and right here.

[Krimzon7]

"One of".



Who's the other option here? Tebow? (I know you said you aren't "praising" Tebow but this did all start with you trying to say that Tebow was the better option and defending that with last season) I'd say hell the fuck yes... Do you deny the fact that he has a WINNING record in the same AFC/NFC Championship/Super Bowls iyou're trying to knock him for not being able to win? (That winning record also happens to include the comeback he led against New England)



lol, you like harping on that INT. He didn't "literally throw another one away". He threw a pick six in a game where he was already behind and trying to lead a game winning drive. If the drive doesn't end in a TD, it's the same result. He threw a pick. Alright. Let's just discount everything because of that one pick. Fact of the matter is, he's got a WINNING RECORD in championship games and you're making it a point to say that you should be terrified to have him leading your team into a championship game. That alone is ridiculous.
2-1 in afc championship games 1-1 in Superbowls. Listen, if you'd take him instead of his little brother, or Big Ben, or Tom Brady, or Drew Brees, then go for it.

Dude, the fact remains that despite how much the fans and the media loves peyton and his touchdowns and his 13-0 starts, The players and insiders would rather have another quarterback lead their team into the games where there is more than a regular season 'W' on the line. Drew Brees, Eli Manning, Big Ben, TOm Brady, are all instant choices before Peyton Manning. Shit, It's debatable to take Aaron Rodgers before him too.

I do think it was heinous how he was lured to Denver. Especially if the intention was to 'win a Superbowl'. I think that Denver Broncos fans will be heartbroken at the end of the year.

[Krimzon7]

against the Raiders :roll:

the week before it was the Chiefs, and the week before that it was the Giants...

Next up? San Diego, Dallas, Philly right before we square off against Pittsburgh and Baltimore.

We have a shot at 10-6. or 9-7. God forbid if we can manage to smash Pittsburgh in the mouth, and if the Ravens are resting their players in the reg season finale...

[Crimson]

lol Alex Smith why do you have your helmet on?

[Nark Order]

Man. Kaepernick is so slick on keeping plays alive. Love this kid.

[owenbrown]

Randy Moss is still around?

[Kris P Lettus]

Defense is horrible on 3rd down..

Ref no calling the 9ers pretty much every play..

Vilma took out two players in one play..

[#1-norm-fan]

2-1 in afc championship games 1-1 in Superbowls.


... Is that not a winning record in championship games?

He was lured to Denver because there QB was Tim fucking Tebow. lol If Brady or Rodgers were on the market, then we could have that discussion. They weren't. It was Peyton Manning or TIM FUCKING TEBOW. lol

Yes. Anyone who would rather have Tim Tebow as their QB than Peyton Manning in the regular season or the playoffs is a moron.

[#1-norm-fan]

San Diego had to stop Baltimore from converting a 4th and 28 and they win the game.

Baltimore may have just picked it up on a little 5 yard dump off and run after catch to Ray Rice.

lol Chargers.

[owenbrown]

have they fired their coach yet?

[Kris P Lettus]

Harbaugh tucks his sweatshirt into his pleated khakis..

[#1-norm-fan]

Defense is horrible on 3rd down..

Ref no calling the 9ers pretty much every play..

Drew Brees throwing touchdown passes to the wrong team..

[Nark Order]

The great Jim Harbaugh can wear whatever he pleases.

[#1-norm-fan]

But yeah, definitely the refs' fault.

[Kris P Lettus]

THe first was Brees' fault, the second was a tipped ball..

[#1-norm-fan]

THe first was Brees' fault, the second was a tipped ball..

Yeah. The receiver should have grown 2 feet taller and caught that easily..

[RoXer]

the bunk

tie and suit wearin motherfucker

[#1-norm-fan]

When all else fails, just kick guys in the head. Stay classy, Saints.

[OssMan]

I've been waiting all day for sunday night

[Nark Order]

Good game, Krispy. I prevail on this occasion. I look forward to losing to you sometime in the distant future

[RoXer]

All right, Sunday Night, where are youuuuu
Packers wearin green and the Giants wear blue
You want some football? Hey I do too!

[McLegend]

David Akers stinks.

[OssMan]

I've been waiting all day for sunday night
Who else has been waiting

[screech]

Hey the Ravens won :)

[Krimzon7]

... Is that not a winning record in championship games?

He was lured to Denver because there QB was Tim fucking Tebow. lol If Brady or Rodgers were on the market, then we could have that discussion. They weren't. It was Peyton Manning or TIM FUCKING TEBOW. lol

Yes. Anyone who would rather have Tim Tebow as their QB than Peyton Manning in the regular season or the playoffs is a moron.

Yes, that is a winning record in the five AFC Championship/SB games. Don't those count in his total body of work which still totals a 9-10 playoff record?

Here's a crazy bold prediction: Tim Fucking Tebow and Peyton Manning will have exactly the same amount of playoff wins in a broncos uniform after the season. They'll also have the same amount of Superbowl appearances.

[#1-norm-fan]

Yes, that is a winning record in the five AFC Championship/SB games. Don't those count in his total body of work which still totals a 9-10 playoff record?

Here's a crazy bold prediction: Tim Fucking Tebow and Peyton Manning will have exactly the same amount of playoff wins in a broncos uniform after the season. They'll also have the same amount of Superbowl appearances.

lol. I like how you brought up the point of not wanting him as your QB in championship games in the first place but now you're downplaying it because his championship game record actually works AGAINST your point.

And you can predict all you want. I don't really care about "predictions". Bottom line is, what we KNOW for a fact is that Manning has demonstrably made Denver a better team than they were with Tim Tebow (8-3 > 6-4) and he's actually completing more than half of his passes. Something Tim Tebow had a lot of trouble doing last year. I'll go ahead and take the QB who has won a ring, competed for another and shown that he can move on offense almost effortlessly at times with his arm over a guy who can't complete half of his passes most of the time and was lucky to win 7 out of 11 games by relying on his defense last year before getting raped in the ass by the Pats last year because if he has to actually throw a football, he's fucked. (And now can't push Mark Sanchez out of a starting job).

[Kris P Lettus]

Yeah. The receiver should have grown 2 feet taller and caught that easily..

Colston had it in his hands and got his legs taken out..

The worst officiating I think I've ever seen..

p.s. McCarthy looks like a young Andy Reid with the stache..

[Kris P Lettus]

Good game, Krispy. I prevail on this occasion. I look forward to losing to you sometime in the distant future

It was a good game.. Kaepernick is a stud..

:'(

[Kris P Lettus]

All right, Sunday Night, where are youuuuu
Packers wearin green and the Giants wear blue
You want some football? Hey I do too!

Move this to the NFL Primetime Game Music thread..

[Emperor Smeat]

Crosby has been missing a lot of FGs recently for the Packers, is he semi-hurt or just having a bad stretch of games right now?

[screech]

Hate when fans blame the refs after a loss.

[screech]

Hate when fans blame the refs after a loss.

The exception being that Packers-Seahawks game.

[Kris P Lettus]

Hate when fans blame the refs after a loss.

I didn't blame them for the loss.. The two pick 6's were to blame..

The refs being horrible just helped..ALOT..

[#1-norm-fan]

Stop being such a whiny bitch.

[screech]

I didn't blame them for the loss.. The two pick 6's were to blame..

The refs being horrible just helped..ALOT..

The team should score enough points so the calls don't matter.

[Kris P Lettus]

Stop being trolled by krimzon, you fucking simpleton..

[#1-norm-fan]

Is there anything you won't be a whiny bitch about?

[Kris P Lettus]

The team should score enough points so the calls don't matter.

Potential safety not gotten due to a no call holding on their RT in the endzone.. Joe Morgan getting an offensive pass interference in the redzone when the DB hooked his arm and threw him to the ground, negating a 40 yard pass.. Randy Moss tackling Malcolm Jenkins when he was going for a pick in the endzone..

There were numerous others..

It was only a 10 point game..

[Kris P Lettus]

Is there anything you won't be a whiny bitch about?

Stop bitching..

[#1-norm-fan]

I'll take that as a "no".

[Kris P Lettus]

Even if it was a penalty, I don't see how a penalty happening should prevent the review. Stupid.

I noticed it mostly with Dallas. It's a big reason I hate Jason Garrett. When Dallas was down 23 against the Giants, they played awful. Then they went no huddle and got rhythm and scored 24 straight... then went right back to a methodical pace and lost the game.

That situation obviously has something to do with the pass rush being stalled because of tired defensive players and the inability to organize the defense on a play by play basis but it's a common thing for most teams to not play to their full potential until they are in a situation where the players themselves and the way the offense is being run suddenly becomes just right. I think you can sit and watch film and figure out exactly what is different in those situations and fix it.

Holy shit, that was a horrific spot! He was a full year short easily. What the fuck!?

No shit the runner didn't reach the 23 yard line. Do your job, refs. You assholes.

Jesus, this is the most unorganized offense ever. False start after false start... not knowing what down it is and running a QB sneak on 1st down. Wasted plays. Come on. lol

Seriously... lol

Play like shit and fall behind and then start playing lights out and fall just short. Patterns, Jason Garrett. You should probably recognize them so maybe you can win a championship when you're home playing Madden around this time next year you fucking moron.

I am not thankful for Jason Garrett being the head coach of the Dallas Cowboys.

:heart: U Romo

That is just ONE page..

Just saying..

[#1-norm-fan]

That was by far the best post you've ever made.

You should change your gimmick from being a whiny bitch to just multi-quoting other people.

[Kris P Lettus]

I'll stick you with proving "you are a retarded hypocrite gimmick" as it seems to be working fine for me..

[Kris P Lettus]

p.s. lol Cowboys

[Kris P Lettus]

Saints and the Cowboys are in a similar situation as never team has a real head coach..

[Droford]

you're still banned technically, I think. I'll check

[screech]

Potential safety not gotten due to a no call holding on their RT in the endzone.. Joe Morgan getting an offensive pass interference in the redzone when the DB hooked his arm and threw him to the ground, negating a 40 yard pass.. Randy Moss tackling Malcolm Jenkins when he was going for a pick in the endzone..

There were numerous others..

It was only a 10 point game..

And if Brees throws those two TDs to his own team instead of his opponent, those calls don't matter.

Funny how that works.

[RoXer]

2 and a half more hours

[#1-norm-fan]

That is a very astute observation about the Saints and Cowboys head coach situation and I agree wholeheartedly.

I'd knock your QB right back but he did an excellent job throwing two touchdown passes to lead the 49ers over the Saints.

[Kris P Lettus]

:n:

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/1595841/lolsaints.gif

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/1595873/morganlol.gif

[#1-norm-fan]

P.S.

Stop being such a whiny bitch.

[Kris P Lettus]

That is a very astute observation about the Saints and Cowboys head coach situation and I agree wholeheartedly.

I'd knock your QB right back but he did an excellent job throwing two touchdown passes to lead the 49ers over the Saints.

Romo threw 2 picks thursday also.. It's not Brees' fault that the 9ers D is much better than the Skins..

[#1-norm-fan]

No. It's the refs fault.

[#1-norm-fan]

Cheating refs. Every one of them.

[#1-norm-fan]

Stop being such a whiny bitch.

[screech]

And if Brees throws those two TDs to his own team instead of his opponent, those calls don't matter.

Funny how that works.

[#1-norm-fan]

If this keeps up, the Packers may have to abandon the running game.

...

[Krimzon7]

lol. I like how you brought up the point of not wanting him as your QB in championship games in the first place but now you're downplaying it because his championship game record actually works AGAINST your point.

And you can predict all you want. I don't really care about "predictions". Bottom line is, what we KNOW for a fact is that Manning has demonstrably made Denver a better team than they were with Tim Tebow (8-3 > 6-4) and he's actually completing more than half of his passes. Something Tim Tebow had a lot of trouble doing last year. I'll go ahead and take the QB who has won a ring, competed for another and shown that he can move on offense almost effortlessly at times with his arm over a guy who can't complete half of his passes most of the time and was lucky to win 7 out of 11 games by relying on his defense last year before getting raped in the ass by the Pats last year because if he has to actually throw a football, he's fucked. (And now can't push Mark Sanchez out of a starting job).

my point was that he has a shit record when it counted which is in the playoffs. I'll allow you to go back and read the entirety of this conversation to figure the simple fact that he sucks in the post season. My point was that, if the Denver Broncos wanted to sign a quarterback to WIN THE SUPERBOWL, then Peyton Manning has demonstrated difficulty getting to and winning that game. They did nothing to improve their team In that regard if all they did was add peyton manning. You looking at the regular season is also laughable since the meat of my argument states that Peyton is notorious for fooling you people into thinking he is great by lighting up the regular season and disappearing in the playoffs. Did you factor in the fact that Denver got off to a 1-4 start before Tebow even took the helm?


Here's a season by season breakdown of Mr. Manning's playoff woes Courtesy of wikipedia:

2002 season the Colts were pummeled by the Jets in the Wild Card game, 41–0, with Manning passing for only 137 yards

2003 season: First MVP In the AFC title game Manning was shut down by the New England Patriots top-ranked defense and posted the third lowest passer rating of his career at 35.5. The Patriots defense intercepted Manning four times and sacked him another four, as the Colts lost the game 24–14.

2004 season: Second MVP the Colts' 2004 season ended in Foxborough for a second straight year with a 20–3 loss against New England, when Manning recorded a season-low passer rating of 69.3

2005 season: In the playoffs, the Pittsburgh Steelers visited the RCA Dome for the second AFC divisional playoff game of the 2005 season. In the 4th quarter with only a few minutes left in the game, Manning threw what looked to be the game-ending interception to Troy Polamalu, but the interception was overturned (a call the NFL later admitted was incorrect).[96] The Colts went on to score, and were able to get the ball back down three points near the end of the game. On 4th down, Manning was sacked near his own goal line, and the game seemed to be over as the Steelers were one yard from a touchdown. On the next play, the ball was fumbled by Jerome Bettis and picked up by Colts defender Nick Harper who appeared to have a clear path down the sideline for what might have been the game-winning score. However, Steelers' quarterback Ben Roethlisberger managed to dive in front of Harper and tackle him by the leg, saving a touchdown. Then the Colts drove down the field to the Steelers 27 yard line, before Mike Vanderjagt missed a field goal as time ran out... okay, so this one wasn't Peyton's fault. Vanderjagt was an absolute dick


2006 season: Super Bowl championship Instead of him choking away a title, the coaching staff decided to put the game in somebody else's hands: Joeseph Addai had 19 carries for 77 yards, and 10 catches for 66 yardds Dominick Rhodes had 21 carries for 113 yards and a touchdown. Reggie Wayne, Marvin Harrison and Dallas Clark had 11 catches combined. Does 25/38 for 247 yards with 1TD/1INT sound like an MVP? It sounds like Mr. Dungy took the ball out of Peyton's hands.

2007 season: In the divisional round of the playoffs, Manning and the Colts lost to the Chargers, 28–24. Manning helped the Colts to 4 different leads but could not lead a final touchdown drive for the win.

2008 season: The day following the MVP award, the Colts played their 2007 nemesis, the Chargers, in their wild-card playoff game. Down 14–10 at the half, Manning put the Colts ahead 17–14 in the third quarter as he completed a 72-yard touchdown pass to wide receiver Reggie Wayne. But the Chargers tied the game in the fourth quarter as kicker Nate Kaeding nailed a 22-yard field goal. When San Diego won the coin toss, they scored on the first possession, ending the Colts season. Perhaps the second time that I could say he had nothing to do with the loss, San Diego didn't give him a chance to blow the game.

2009 season: Well, you remember the video I posted...you have video proof of how he blew this game

2010 season: The season ended in a one point defeat to the New York Jets in the play-off. Honestly, I don't even remember this game. I remember being right about them losing though.

[#1-norm-fan]

I'm sure if you asked every player in the NFL if you were in the AFC/NFC Championship or the Superbowl, and you needed your quarterback to lead a game winning drive would you choose Peyton manning to do it; You would be shocked to learn that he'd get a resounding 'hell the fuck no'.

lol. Like I said... you brought up the championship game thing. Don't backtrack because once the record was brought to light, it didn't back up your theory.

The guy is 9-10 in the playoffs. 9-10 in a tougher situation than regular season football against the best of the best. It's not a great record. It's not "OMG HE'S SHITTY AND HE CAN'T WIN IN THE PLAYOFFS" either. The guy HAS won championship games. He HAS won a Super Bowl. He HAS brought his team to title games despite having a below average team around him and having to put up ridiculous numbers in order to win. And yes, he has lost them too. So can he win when it matters? YES. He's proven it. What has Tim Tebow proven? How is it not an improvement to dump a guy who lost his last two games while playing awful in them to help your team back into the playoffs at 8-8, win one playoff game and then get destroyed because he's a quarterback who can't pass the ball to save his life for a guy who has proven to be pretty much a lock over the years to take a team to the playoffs regardless of the talent around him and has proven that he can not only win in the playoffs but more often than not, wins championship games?

Like I said, if Tom Brady or Aaron Rodgers were on the market for some reason, then yeah maybe they'd be better options.

Tim Tebow was the other option though. TIM... TEBOW... lol. I can't stress that enough. TIM... TEBOW...

[#1-norm-fan]

My point was that, if the Denver Broncos wanted to sign a quarterback to WIN THE SUPERBOWL, then Peyton Manning has demonstrated difficulty getting to and winning that game.

Yeah. Funny how it's tough to GET TO AND WIN A SUPER BOWL. Ask Dan Marino. How many Super Bowls does a guy have to get to and win in your opinion before they become a better option for your team than Tim Tebow?

[screech]

Fucking hell, shut the fuck up already.

[screech]

We get it: you hate Peyton and wouldn't want him on your team.

[#1-norm-fan]

I know more about Krimzon's ridiculous feelings toward Peyton Manning than I do about who he actually likes. I don't even know if he has a rooting interest in football or if he just hates Peyton Manning and thinks Tim Tebow is a viable NFL starting quarterback.

[screech]

Hey Krimzon, when was the last time the Bengals won the superbowl?

[screech]

Can we talk about how great Jeff Blake is now?

[#1-norm-fan]

Aww. He's a Bengals fan? I can't do team trash-talk to him as I kinda like the Bengals/do not wish to get Supreme involved.

[#1-norm-fan]

That being said, lol Akili Smith.

[Crimson]

http://www.tpww.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=7166&stc=1&d=1353905598

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>What a game. Never did I expect the Giants to win in a blowout like that. Happy to see the offense come back to life and the defensive line was incredible.

Only bad news to come out of tonight is Andre Brown tearing his fibula. :( Love that dude.</font>

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Also kinda crazy to realize that Eli is now the franchise's all time TD leader.</font>

[Krimzon7]

lol. Like I said... you brought up the championship game thing. Don't backtrack because once the record was brought to light, it didn't back up your theory.

The guy is 9-10 in the playoffs. 9-10 in a tougher situation than regular season football against the best of the best. It's not a great record. It's not "OMG HE'S SHITTY AND HE CAN'T WIN IN THE PLAYOFFS" either. The guy HAS won championship games. He HAS won a Super Bowl. He HAS brought his team to title games despite having a below average team around him and having to put up ridiculous numbers in order to win. And yes, he has lost them too. So can he win when it matters? YES. He's proven it. What has Tim Tebow proven? How is it not an improvement to dump a guy who lost his last two games while playing awful in them to help your team back into the playoffs at 8-8, win one playoff game and then get destroyed because he's a quarterback who can't pass the ball to save his life for a guy who has proven to be pretty much a lock over the years to take a team to the playoffs regardless of the talent around him and has proven that he can not only win in the playoffs but more often than not, wins championship games?

Like I said, if Tom Brady or Aaron Rodgers were on the market for some reason, then yeah maybe they'd be better options.

Tim Tebow was the other option though. TIM... TEBOW... lol. I can't stress that enough. TIM... TEBOW...

I'd bolster my running game, my defense, and put that mountain of money that i used to sign Manning towards another free agent and I'd keep winning divisions with Tim.. Tebow.

Yeah. Funny how it's tough to GET TO AND WIN A SUPER BOWL. Ask Dan Marino. How many Super Bowls does a guy have to get to and win in your opinion before they become a better option for your team than Tim Tebow?

Right, Dan Marino, Dan Fouts, Fran Tarkenton, Jim Kelly, Warren Moon... Brett Farve and Peyton Manning will be remembered above this echelon , yet below the greats. simple enough fact to comprehend. Eli, Ben, Aaron, and Mr. Brady all qualify as better options than Peyton and Tebow.
Fucking hell, shut the fuck up already.

This is a message board where opinions are meant to be discussed. I get that you don't want to be a party to it but you don't have to read it sir.
We get it: you hate Peyton and wouldn't want him on your team.
Then don't try and convince me that I'm stupid for my opinion.

I know more about Krimzon's ridiculous feelings toward Peyton Manning than I do about who he actually likes. I don't even know if he has a rooting interest in football or if he just hates Peyton Manning and thinks Tim Tebow is a viable NFL starting quarterback.
The names I mentioned are all great starting points, in relation to current quarterbacks that are currently active and 'better' than peyton manning. I love football. I spent more than half of my life playing the game. I watch every game, not because of fantasy football, but because of the love of the league.
Hey Krimzon, when was the last time the Bengals won the superbowl?

today, when i played madden :p

Can we talk about how great Jeff Blake is now?


He had the best deep ball in football #carlpickens and #darnayscott were mint. Hate Chris Collinsworth. Boomer Esiason was amazing. The Bengals won the coldest game in NFL History, beating Air Coryell. They also played in the first Superbowl held in Pontiac Michigan. They lost to the same franchise in both of their SB appearances. Paul Brown is credited for birthing such inventions as helmet radios, and the west coast offense. Biggest blunder ever was not hiring Bill Walsh. Sam Wyche made the no huddle offense chic during the 88-89 season. Chad Johson is an asshole. So is Steve Tovar, so is Dan Wilkerson, Corey Dillion can suck it. I'm still not sold on Andy Dalton and would gladly jettison his ass outta Cincy. Marvin Lewis will be the most tenured Head Coach in the NFL once Andy Reid is fired.

Hey who's your team? I'm willing to talk about a multitude of other things, so let's discuss!

Aww. He's a Bengals fan? I can't do team trash-talk to him as I kinda like the Bengals/do not wish to get Supreme involved.

You can feel free to trash talk/team diss to your hearts content. Bengals fans probably rip the Bengals better than any 'outsiders'.

That being said, lol Akili Smith.

See! It's not that hard...but don't forget that fucking bum Ki Jana Carter. At least Akili made it to a regular season.

[Krimzon7]

<font color=goldenrod>Also kinda crazy to realize that Eli is now the franchise's all time TD leader.</font>

Eli Manning has been great for the Giants. Could you imagine he'd turn out this well when he was being such an asshole refusing to play for San Diego? I wonder where will they erect his statue?

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Droford your ban is now over. Welcome back!

[#1-norm-fan]

I'd bolster my running game, my defense, and put that mountain of money that i used to sign Manning towards another free agent and I'd keep winning divisions with Tim.. Tebow.


HE'S NOT A GOOD QB!!!! lol

They weren't gonna win with him. Teams didn't even need to take a season to "figure him out" before he started sucking. He choked in the last two games of the regular season, played like shit and did everything he could to give the division away to the Chargers or Raiders before finally having to back in with an 8-8 record and then get raped by the Patriots because he can't pass a fucking football! lol "Keep winning divisions with Tim Tebow"!?!?!?!?!?! Really!?!?!? I'm shocked that the defense was actually pretty good last season considering they were on the field constantly because the QB couldn't complete any passes to sustain drives.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

You two should make a wager over the Bengals Cowboys game. Is that next week?

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Two weeks.

[#1-norm-fan]

What are we wagering here?

[Krimzon7]

Dude, they got plenty of rest because that shitty qb added to the best rushing offense in the league last year. I admit that the games were ugly. I still contend that if you give John Fox and co. a full offseason with Tebow at the helm he would have improved.

He's not a good QB by conventional wisdom. Just as People want to look at Michael Vick and assert that 'you have to judge vick differently because of his skill set', you would have to say the same about Tebow. Peyton and his recievers were blessed with a full offseason and OTA's to build chemistry. I contend that if there was a full offseason you would see a more productive Tim Tebow at QB.

And don't give me any of that bullshit about Tebow not beating out Sanchez. It's obvious that Rex Ryan wanted no parts of having Tim Tebow on the team. the move to get him was brokered by Woody Johnson and John Elway. John Elway hated winning with Tebow at QB. He was all too happy to get rid of him, and sending him to a circus of a team was the final, special little 'fuck you' from Johnny E.

[Krimzon7]

The Cowboys play way better on the road than they do in Dallas. The Cowboy's defense is too complex for Dalton. While BJGE got off today, I have ZERO fucking faith in him or the running game to take the pressure off of Dalton as he struggles with the Cowboy's D.

With that said...WE OWN THE NFC EAST! Who Dey Nation will win by 10 points.

The Chargers are next out in San Diego....by all accounts the 'Natti should go in there and decimate the chargers. Which means....they'll lose big.

[#1-norm-fan]

Yes. That was it. He hated winning with Tebow. And Rex Ryan doesn't wanna put Tebow in and have him win games so he keeps a shitty QB in over him. It's all a conspiracy to keep the white Christian boy down.

[Krimzon7]

no conspiracy. politics, maybe. it was a philosophical difference between a front office official, and a player who was drafted by the 'old regime'.

John Elway wants to do things 'his way'. John Elway wants to win 'his way'. John Elway wanted to get rid of Josh McDaniels and all of his guys. You'll see the same thing in San Diego, Philly, and to a lesser extent, Kansas City.

[Krimzon7]

NOW THIS IS A CLUSTERFUCK...


Jets hit new low as superfan 'Fireman Ed' quits his beloved team for season
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Fireman Ed Anzalone is stepping down as Jets cheerleader. (Getty)
EAST RUTHERFORD, N.J. – Bill Belichick once famously quit the New York Jets, without ever coaching a game, by scribbling "I resign as HC of the NYJ" on a piece of paper.
The Jets' most attention-seeking fan, "Fireman Ed", aka former New York firefighter Ed Anzalone, used 275 words to do essentially the same thing. In a self-penned column in the Metro, the free newspaper handed out mostly at subway stations, Anzalone announced he will no longer attend games as "Fireman Ed."
Anzalone became famous for leading the "J-E-T-S, Jets, Jets, Jets" chants at home games while wearing a fireman's helmet.
Anzalone cited the coarsening of conditions at Jets games due to fans' anger at the team's struggles this season and the quarterback controversy between starter Mark Sanchez and backup Tim Tebow. Anzalone wears a Sanchez jersey to games and said he left Thursday's blowout loss to the New England Patriots at halftime due to heckling.
[Related: Jay Cutler deserves MVP consideration]
"This is an indication of how society has lost and is continuing to lose respect for one another," Anzalone wrote. "… The fact that I chose to wear a Mark Sanchez jersey this year and that fans think I am on the payroll – which is an outright lie – have made these confrontations more frequent. Whether it's in the stands, the bathroom or the parking lot, these confrontations are happening on a consistent basis.
"Although I can 'hold my own,' I do not want to lose my temper and make a stupid mistake," he continued.
Anzalone said he'll still attend games, just not wearing the helmet or to lead cheers on the stadium Jumbotron. He has been a Jets fan since 1975. The team has failed to win a Super Bowl during that time (its only championship came in 1968).
The defection of Fireman Ed is the latest in the Jets' bizarre, circus-like season which has included as many soap opera turns as ugly defeats. The fact that a fan would need to write a column explaining his rationale for quitting what is an unpaid, unofficial "job" is comical yet predictable.
The Jets are a disappointing 4-7 on the season and the offseason signing of Tebow has made little impact on the field while leaving the team dealing with repeated sideshows and unnecessary dramas – from teammates anonymously ripping him to an apparent fan division so deep that even Fireman Ed is wary of having to fight someone in the stands.
"We have had much worse teams than this and I never left before," Anzalone wrote. "I pride myself in that, because I am not a quitter."
The Jets have had far worse teams through the years. Yet maybe none has been quite as strange as this season's club.
[Related: Colts cheerleaders get heads shaved in support of Chuck Pagano ]
At least Belichick, who cited uncertain ownership for quitting in 2000 after just one day on the job, practiced brevity in his announcement. Fireman Ed went on and on. Belichick wound up the head coach of archrival New England, where he's won three Super Bowls and dominated the AFC East.
That decision truly hurt the franchise. This one is simply absurd.
"I will always love the Jets because they are in my heart, and I will attend games as usual, just not as Fireman Ed," Anzalone wrote. "God bless and, as always, let's go Jets!"
It's a circus perhaps only the J-E-T-S could create.
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[screech]

This is a message board where opinions are meant to be discussed. I get that you don't want to be a party to it but you don't have to read it sir.

That's it, though: you two aren't really discussing the issue. You've been spouting the same stuff back and forth for pages because neither will listen to the other.



Then don't try and convince me that I'm stupid for my opinion.

Please point out when I said this.

[Nark Order]

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That seems to be the way everybody is looking at this but as a Niners fan, it's very hard to sing the praises of Alex Smith for too long. You have no idea how refreshing it was yesterday to have my quarterback throw deep down field without me wanting to nervously vomit all over the bar.

Jim Harbaugh got the best he could out of a better than average quarterback. I want to see what he can get out of a great quarterback. I'm ready for the Alex Smith experiment to be over. He did us well and we love him for it but its hard to deep into the playoffs with a guy that cant play football if he's down by more than 7 points

[Kris P Lettus]

2 starts = great QB

[Supreme Olajuwon]

It's also nearly impossible to get to the Super Bowl with basically a rookie QB.

At least Smith has playoff experience which in a lot of ways is more valuable than talent.

Kaepernick does seem pretty good though.

[Triple Naitch]

Brady got to the Super Bowl in his first year as a starter.

[Triple Naitch]

Brady is also a devilishly handsome freak of nature.

[Nark Order]

It's also nearly impossible to get to the Super Bowl with basically a rookie QB.

At least Smith has playoff experience which in a lot of ways is more valuable than talent.

Kaepernick does seem pretty good though.

Yeah. I still think playing Kaepernick right now is a solid idea. If he gets hurt, we have another starting QB that is perfectly capable. Kaep gets his reps in, we have an plan b... Win/win. Also, I have a feeling that Harbaugh is going to redefine the starting QB role anyway and both of them will prolly get game reps.

[Nark Order]

2 starts = great QB

Well, no. But he's been more than solid, has been confident, and showed his leadership qualities right off the bat. He also just went into the Superdome, didn't get flustered, and beat the Saints. And I didn't mean great QB by NFL standards, I meant that he's got a great rookie skillset to build on.

[Kris P Lettus]

Dude is a stud, I was just mocking what you said out of anger..

I apologize..

[Nark Order]

I forgive you, Krispy.

[RP]

7-4

unreal. Ordered a Luck Lights Out jersey and a Reggie Wayne Superbowl jersey. Hope I get them before the Detroit game.

[Gonzo]

ELI MANNING > Your favorite team's QB

[Kris P Lettus]

ELI MANNING > Your favorite team's QB

lol

[Emperor Smeat]

That seems to be the way everybody is looking at this but as a Niners fan, it's very hard to sing the praises of Alex Smith for too long. You have no idea how refreshing it was yesterday to have my quarterback throw deep down field without me wanting to nervously vomit all over the bar.

Jim Harbaugh got the best he could out of a better than average quarterback. I want to see what he can get out of a great quarterback. I'm ready for the Alex Smith experiment to be over. He did us well and we love him for it but its hard to deep into the playoffs with a guy that cant play football if he's down by more than 7 points

To be fair, Smith barely had a chance to get a system designed around him like other great QBs with the constant shuffling of coaches and OCs until Harbaugh arrived last year.

In a way that actually benefits Kaepernick a lot since the offense isn't as rigid because its taylor-made for just 1 person and the O-line is still pretty flexible enough to be developed around anyone.

[DaveBrawl]

ELI MANNING > Your favorite team's QB
Despite what Krimson says I disagree.

[Gonzo]

Kiss the rings bitches.

[#1-norm-fan]

Kiss the rings bitches.

Tom Brady and his 3 rings would like to have a word with you.

[#1-norm-fan]

And he'd like to videotape it.

[#1-norm-fan]

Two birds. One stone.

[Kris P Lettus]

Tom Brady and his 3 rings would like to have a word with you.

Kinda funny that Eli's two could have been Brady's 4th and 5th..

[#1-norm-fan]

Also, to backup DaveBrawl, if you switch Eli and Peyton's teams over the last 5 or 6 years, the only ring Eli has is a wedding ring. No way Eli Manning leads that 2-14 team to constant playoff appearances and no way Peyton doesn't win a couple Super Bowls with the defense that the Giants supplied Eli with.

[#1-norm-fan]

Kinda funny that Eli's two could have been Brady's 4th and 5th..

Yep. Kinda funny how Brady could afford to give Eli two and still have more than him.

[Innovator]

These arguments are incredibly pointless and stupid.

[#1-norm-fan]

I agree that arguing individual players based on "rings" is stupid.

However I'm not above saying that even within someone's stupid "rings" argument, they are demonstrably wrong.

[#1-norm-fan]

Terry Bradshaw has FOUR super bowl rings. I love Terry Bradshaw. I find him to be a very likable TV personality. Terry Bradshaw owes all of those rings to one of the all time great defenses and some all time ridiculously lucky plays. He was not a very good quarterback. Much less right there with Joe Montana as the greatest of all time.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Kinda crazy to realize that we're probably watching no fewer than 6 future HOF QBs every week. Brady, Peyton, and Brees are locks already. I'd be really surprised if Rodgers didn't win another ring at some point, and even if he doesn't he's only 29 and has plenty of years left...probably some more MVP awards in his future, too. When he's not being victimized by his O-line he's a machine.

And then Eli and Big Ben may not have stats as "sexy" as the others but the 2 rings (if not more) for each of them will be a trump card and they have plenty of years left to boost their numbers up, too. Like it or not - rings will get you into Canton unless all of the voters decide it no longer matters. I know offensive schemes across the NFL have gotten pass-heavy but there's really a legendary crop of starting QBs out there right now.

I almost want to see Rivers actually start looking competent again, that bastard's dragging down the QB Class of 2004.</font>

[Droford]

You two should make a wager over the Bengals Cowboys game. Is that next week?

I'd predict a tie but I want to keep posting.

Given the #6 wild card is a 3 team race, I'm rooting for the dolphins

[#1-norm-fan]

I'd predict a tie but I want to keep posting.

Given the #6 wild card is a 3 team race, I'm rooting for the dolphins

I agree. I pick the Dolphins to win the Bengals-Cowboys game.

[DaveBrawl]

I pick the sprinklers.

[#1-norm-fan]

<font color=goldenrod>Kinda crazy to realize that we're probably watching no fewer than 6 future HOF QBs every week. Brady, Peyton, and Brees are locks already. I'd be really surprised if Rodgers didn't win another ring at some point, and even if he doesn't he's only 29 and has plenty of years left...probably some more MVP awards in his future, too. When he's not being victimized by his O-line he's a machine.

And then Eli and Big Ben may not have stats as "sexy" as the others but the 2 rings (if not more) for each of them will be a trump card and they have plenty of years left to boost their numbers up, too. Like it or not - rings will get you into Canton unless all of the voters decide it no longer matters. I know offensive schemes across the NFL have gotten pass-heavy but there's really a legendary crop of starting QBs out there right now.

I almost want to see Rivers actually start looking competent again, that bastard's dragging down the QB Class of 2004.</font>

Oh rings will definitely get a QB into Canton. And I'd say that's retarded as well.

[#1-norm-fan]

The Chiefs yesterday officially became the first team to be eliminated from playoff contention, by the way. Makes it feel like "shit's getting real" when a team officially clinches a playoff spot or gets eliminate for the first time.

[DaveBrawl]

Can't believe there's only 5 weeks of regular season left.

[McLegend]

5 weeks too much if you ask me.

[Droford]

I agree. I pick the Dolphins to win the Bengals-Cowboys game.

Bengals/Steelers/dolphins is the 3 team race for the last wild card in the afc

[Innovator]

5 weeks too much if you ask me.

Newton! Desean! Andy Reid clock management! Monday Night Football!

[Emperor Smeat]

Kicking someone in the nuts not suspension worthy considering the NFL says it won't suspend Suh although now it has to be reviewed again to see if its worthy of a fine.

Schaub and his balls says he wouldn't want Suh to ever play for his team if the opportunity ever arises in the future.

[#1-norm-fan]

... Why would you go for 2 5 minutes into the 2nd quarter??

[Krimzon7]

Lack of faith in Fowles? a hint of desperation in the Chilly Philadelphia air?

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>lolllllll the Phillies have won a game more recently than the Eagles</font>

[McLegend]

I'll say 2 positive things

1) They at least competed tonight, and they weren't totally embarassed.
2) Offensively they had a decent game plan. This was probably the best game plan they had in 2 months.

Now the best record The Eagles could have is 8-8, and Jeffery Lurie said that would be unacceptable. So is Andy Reid going to get fired tomorrow? this week? in the press conference following the game?

He's not getting fired. :nono:

[Droford]

I've said to my boss who is from Philly and huge eagles fan thatreid will resign before he's fired

[James Steele]

I don't think they should fire him. He has done enough for the Eagles for over a decade that he deserves to finish out the season. He will be gone the day after the regular season finale. I just hope the shithead Eagles fans show some class at the last home game and don't pelt him with piss filled bottles and stuff.

[Krimzon7]

You ask far too much from Eagles Fans Steele...

[screech]

And you just gave em an idea

[McLegend]

Now see I disagree with Andy Reid deserves to finish out the year, because of what he has done thinking.

See I think the opposite, because of all what he has done for the Eagles you are actually doing him a favor by firing him right now. I think you are just punishing him, by keeping him through the year. Just start moving on now.

[Innovator]

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[Crimson]

Creepy chick way back in the hooded sweater

[#1-norm-fan]

Every single one of those fans looks like TPWW poster Mercenary to me...

[#1-norm-fan]

Even the women.

[Evil Vito]

Giants sign RB Kregg Lumpkin to replace Andre Brown. Never heard of him, but that name is hilarious.

[Innovator]

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[#1-norm-fan]

Spit out my water when I read the name "Kregg Lumpkin".

[Innovator]

YOU GUYS ARE A DISGRACE DON'T COMEBACK OUT AT HALFTIME! TEBOW! YOU GUYS SUCK

[Innovator]

Kregg Lumpkin is one of the most glorious names I've ever heard or seen.