Thoughts on this video. Jeff Hardy shooting on CM Punk

[KyleEmmott]

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Guru Dave posted this in another thread earlier, I had totally forgotten about this video. But watching it now, I would have to say I agree with Jeff Hardy to an extent. If it wasn't for that fued with Jeff would CM Punk be where he is today....

[Swiss Ultimate]

Seen it. Old.

[#1-norm-fan]

If Jeff Hardy weren't a huge drug addict giving such easy material to Punk's "straight edge" character and his promos, Punk would have had to go another route.

Punk was already in the main event before Hardy. He wasn't crazy over but not many were. Without Hardy, Punk would have done the same "quick random storyline, get lost in the shuffle, repeat" thing that he did anyway, struggling to solidify himself in the main event. Then he would have sat down at the end of the ramp to cut one of the most memorable promos in years and years and "left with the WWE title" and reached a level Hardy never got to like he has now.

Basically, Punk would be exactly where he is right now if Hardy were there or not.

[Theo Dious]

Dear Jeff Hardy,

If you're going to cut a promo trying to explain why a straightedge guy isn't as cool as you, you may consider not being high as a kite and looking like a complete and total jackass.

[CSL]

well that's him told

[Kane Knight]

Was this before or after he "out-popped" DX? I can't remember the chronology.

If Jeff Hardy weren't a huge drug addict giving such easy material to Punk's "straight edge" character and his promos, Punk would have had to go another route.

Is he even capable of that?

[ron the dial]

Was this before or after he "out-popped" DX? I can't remember the chronology.
lol come on man

[Keith]

From the video, what I get is that Jeff Harvey is butthurt because CM Punk didn't say "Hi" to him.

So he goes on a rant about other things just to show his displeasure.

[CSL]

one of the very first things you "learn" to do is introduce yourself to the entire locker room. Kind of has a point if guys like Taker are still doing it every time they're booked.

[Keith]

one of the very first things you "learn" to do is introduce yourself to the entire locker room. Kind of has a point if guys like Taker are still doing it every time they're booked.

What Jeff said on the video is that CM Punk didn't say "Hi" to him one time he (Jeff) "went up to see homeboys" (went backstage and visited some of the guys).

So he's butthurt because of that.

[CSL]

still not seeing your point. Is he not allowed to be bothered by that?

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Ambien is not a drug motherfucker, it's medication. You see Jeffery he went out to a person they call a doctor and he gave him a prescription. Of course I shouldn't be believing him in the first place about the Ambien.

[Keith]

still not seeing your point. Is he not allowed to be bothered by that?

Sure he is. But don't go on like "I made you a Superstar and all that shit".

[CSL]

Ambien is not a drug motherfucker, it's medication. You see Jeffery he went out to a person they call a doctor and he gave him a prescription. Of course I shouldn't be believing him in the first place about the Ambien.

you might wanna brush up on your straight edge rules slick damo http://www.tpww.net/forums/images/icons/icon12.gif

Sure he is. But don't go on like "I made you a Superstar and all that shit".

he had as much, if not more of a role than anybody else in making him a star/was nothing but a model professional in terms of "doing business on your way out" properly and played a big role in Punk's immediate success and he feels like Punk blanked/direspected him. This probably isn't without reason given Punk is notorious for being aloof/bit of a cunt, dare I say possibly more so to a guy like Jeff Hardy (i.e the opposite of "straight edge") still not seeing your problem

[Keith]

still not seeing your problem

I don't have a problem.

Jeff Harvey does.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

you might wanna brush up on your straight edge rules slick damo http://www.tpww.net/forums/images/icons/icon12.gif



he had as much, if not more of a role than anybody else in making him a star/was nothing but a model professional in terms of "doing business on your way out" properly and played a big role in Punk's immediate success and he feels like Punk blanked/direspected him. This probably isn't without reason given Punk is notorious for being aloof/bit of a cunt, dare I say possibly more so to a guy like Jeff Hardy (i.e the opposite of "straight edge") still not seeing your problem

Since straight edge rules are complete made up and arbitrary, I am adding that prescription medications are ok. Others thing that casual sex is also not allowed, so there is no standard set of rules.

Ambien isn't a drug unless it is illegally obtained.

[#1-norm-fan]

If anyone should get credit for "making" Punk (other than Punk himself since the sit down promo is literally the one moment that "made" him), it should be John Cena. If Hardy had "made" Punk, Punk wouldn't have been potentially on his way out the door after becoming lost in the shuffle a year and a half after the Hardy feud.

[CSL]

Since straight edge rules are complete made up and arbitrary, I am adding that prescription medications are ok. Others thing that casual sex is also not allowed, so there is no standard set of rules.

Ambien isn't a drug unless it is illegally obtained.

well no, there's "straight edge" and then there's people who want to be "straight edge" but don't want the inconvenience of some of the more stupid "rules"

If anyone should get credit for "making" Punk (other than Punk himself since the sit down promo is literally the one moment that "made" him), it should be John Cena. If Hardy had "made" Punk, Punk wouldn't have been potentially on his way out the door after becoming lost in the shuffle a year and a half after the Hardy feud.

nobody here is claiming Hardy "made" Punk, more got him from point A to point B quicker than he would have otherwise aka helped him on his way, the first to make him look like a "credible threat", the genesis for the "pipebomb"/close to the bone Punk being unveiled to the WWE audience. He certainly wasn't "potentially on his way out of the door" tho.

[#1-norm-fan]

nobody here is claiming Hardy "made" Punk

I'm pretty sure Jeff Hardy claimed that Jeff Hardy "made" Punk.

[Keith]

LOL Harvey said it in the video.

He didn't say "I helped yo get from point A to point B". He said "I made you a Superstar".

[#1-norm-fan]

If it wasn't for that fued with Jeff would CM Punk be where he is today....

Also, that seems to scream "made".

[CSL]

I'm pretty sure Jeff Hardy claimed that Jeff Hardy "made" Punk.

LOL Harvey said it in the video.

He didn't say "I helped yo get from point A to point B". He said "I made you a Superstar".

I'm pretty sure Jeff Hardy isn't here

[Rock Bottom]

cant beleave u suckrs didnt vote jeff hardie in2 the best wreslers final rounds bye suckrs goin 2 a real wrestle web site where the best in the world jeff hardie is more apreciated party hardy piece

[#1-norm-fan]

I believe I was asked to give "Thoughts on this video".

[CSL]

Also, that seems to scream "made".

that screams "KyleEmmot is asking a potentially devil's advocate-esque question"

[#1-norm-fan]

that screams "KyleEmmot is asking a potentially devil's advocate-esque question"

The lack of a question mark made me read that as a statement.

Regardless, I was replying to the video as the topic had asked. If I was replying to someone here I would have quoted someone here.

[Swiss Ultimate]

What if the Vince McMahon made Punk?

[CSL]

the Hulkster made Punk brother, he just hooked that carriage to the red and yellow money train and never looked back

[#1-norm-fan]

Punk screwed Punk

[#1-norm-fan]

I mean "made".

[CSL]

that doesn't work for me brother

[CSL]

think I may just post as Hulk Hogan from now on

[Swiss Ultimate]

I second that, CSL.

[CSL]

I'll do the deal brother, you cut me off, get your heat, gimme your finish, out on one, hulk up and go home. Money in the bank brother

[Keith]

Start using "HH" as your signature, as Hogan does on Twitter.

[CSL]

hair dye? no brother, extensions

[Swiss Ultimate]

The Hogan formula was pretty ingenious.

[dronepool]

I actually liked Jeff since the Hardyz first started, still do- but he makes a fool out of himself in that video.

[Majunior]

Well, the "rules" for straightedge seem to have some pretty huge grey areas (possibly because they're entirely made up and not even straightedge always agrees on what is straightedge) especially when it comes to medications.

I mean, does being straightedge really mean you compromise your morals if you choose to undergo cancer treatment or take your herpes medication? o.O

Anywho, yeah... Jeff Hardy is an overrated spot monkey. He can be butthurt Punk didn't trade cookie recipes with him, but it could be argued that doesn't matter. I mean, I don't like pedophiles. Is it rude if I don't greet a former coworker after he gets out of prison for banging a 9yo? Even if it IS rude, do I care? If the guy trained me in my job, do I owe him anything?

Besides, Hardy essentially claims he made Punk. He didn't. Typical Hardy ego, thinking he is a lot more valuable than he really is.

[Kane Knight]

lol come on man

Sorry, but wrestling chronology isn't that important to mr these days.

[ron the dial]

because that's what i was talking about

[Kane Knight]

I know. That's why I addressed it.

[ron the dial]

also i'm not buying that anyway. you've been using that "joke" consistently for too long to not know when it happened.

[Kane Knight]

And you fail at logic. Good to know.