Best Wrestler #15: **THE FINALS**

[Supreme Olajuwon]

This is it, folks. The final battle. After 4 years, 7 months, 11 days, and 297 matchups, our final clash features two of the greatest wrestlers of all time. But only one can be called TPWW's Best Wrestler. It's up to you, TPWW Universe. Cast your votes now!
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"Macho Man" Randy Savage

vs.

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Shawn Michaels




3 days.



<select><option selected="selected">Best Wrestler Tournament History</option><option>ROUND 1</option><option>#1. Randy Savage vs. Taz (72-4)</option><option>#2. The Undertaker vs. Steve Austin (42-42)</option><option>#3. Chris Jericho vs. Jake Roberts (52-15)</option><option>#4. Bret Hart vs. CM Punk (44-24)</option><option>#5. Curt Hennig vs. The Rock (27-31)</option><option>#6. Mick Foley vs. Kurt Angle (18-41)</option><option>#7. Eddie Guerrero vs. Shawn Michaels (13-50)</option><option>#8. Chris Benoit vs. Hulk Hogan (28-36)</option><option>ROUND 2</option><option>#9. Randy Savage vs. Hulk Hogan (41-18)</option><option>#10. The Undertaker vs. Steve Austin vs. Shawn Michaels (14-22-26)</option><option>#11. Chris Jericho vs. Kurt Angle (30-27)</option><option>#12. Bret Hart vs. The Rock (32-34)</option><option>ROUND 3</option><option>#13. Randy Savage vs. The Rock (41-22)</option><option>#14. Chris Jericho vs. Shawn Michaels (20-43)</option></select>

[XCaliber]

Michaels cuz he put on more entertaining matches over the years.

[Gertner]

HBK. Not close.

[Shisen Kopf]

Randy Savage bc he wasn't in playgirl magazine.

[Rammsteinmad]

Shawn Michaels.

Three things: We all knew HBK would win this, anyway. I can't believe it was the finals already, that came about quickly. And I gotta admit, I'm kinda surprised Randy Savage is the other guy in the finals.

[Cool King]

I'm not.

I predicted it three weeks ago.

I actually think Savage will win the whole thing.

The final will most likely be Savage vs Michaels.
Now I'll have to wait and see if I'm right about Savage winning it. Right now, I'm not.

[Joesgonnakillyou]

HBK. Not close.

HBK is a vanilla midget

[Corporate CockSnogger]

HBK.

[Joesgonnakillyou]

HBK was always gonna win this but there are two people that should beat him. One is Austin and the other's Savage.

[Sixx]

Michaels, because he was in Playgirl magazine.

[whiteyford]

Savage.

[Razzamajazz]

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i don't wanna end up on the intergalactic hitlist

[Emperor Smeat]

HBK

[blake639raw]

I love me some HBK, but I gotta go with Savage here.

[jskinnyg]

Tough call here... Went with HBK...

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Going with Savage. More classic memories from Macho in my mind than HBK. Oh Yeah dig it!

[#1-norm-fan]

Randy Savage bc he wasn't in playgirl magazine.

You can't knock HBK for that. Just because Savage didn't think he was cute/know he was sexy.

[CSL]

and he certainly didn't have the looks that drives the girls wild

[mike adamle]

He had the looks that drove Stephanie McMahon wild

[KaosDarksol]

HBK because he is the showstopper

[Shisen Kopf]

Michaels, because he was in Playgirl magazine.

Have you caught the gay?!

[Wishbone]

Have you caught the gay?!

Having the hots for HBK is perfectly normal. He's so sexy he transcends gender. :yes:

[#1-norm-fan]

and he certainly didn't have the looks that drives the girls wild

Nor the moves that really moved them, my friend... Nor the moves that really moved them.

[Cuse8]

h-b-k

[Nicky Fives]

Mr. Heartbreak

[Keith]

Wow, I was afraid it was gonna come to this, and it has. Not an easy choice by any means.

I'm gonna have to think about it, watch some video.

[Wolfpack423]

Randy Savage all the way. I've always found him to be a better in ring competitor. I like his personality better as well. Wrestlemania III's match with Ricky Steamboad, his feud with Hogan throughout the years, the matches with Warrior, the matches with Ric Flair, the feud with Diamond Dallas Page, being a member of the Wolfpack, Team Madness-so many things I like about Savage. HBK is a great in ring competitor, but I didn't like his 90s run mostly because of how bad of an attitude he always had. His 02-10 run was great, though.

[#1-norm-fan]

It's sad that HBK spent the prime of his career seeming like a guy who was there to make others look good because he was older. He should have spent that 8 year run getting a long title run or two and being booked as THE guy.

[loopydate]

Nor the moves that really moved them, my friend... Nor the moves that really moved them.

How about sending chills up and down their spines?

[Rock Bottom]

Steve Austin

[James Steele]

Shawn Michaels. It doesn't get any better than Shawn Michaels. Period.

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[DaveBrawl]

Savage.

[Shisen Kopf]

This is a disgrace, savage was way better than that fruity fake bible thumper ever was. Shame on y'all!

[The Condor]

Savage was the cream of the crop!

[Shisen Kopf]

That's right crazy

[Road Warrior]

They're pretty much even as can be. The only thing that makes me vote for Savage is my utter hate for HBK.

[Arashi Kage]

Man, youtube is great (and the people who upload these old videos). I vaguely remembered the main chorus from this music video (having seen it when I was a kid), and managed to find it on youtube.

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Anyway, HBK is awesome, and truely one of the modern greats, but he is not the "Best Wrestler".

Dig it!!! :y:

[Shisen Kopf]

I don't get all the love for Shawn Michaels. I mean he is decent but I can think of 17 rasslers better than him. Starting with Rugged Ronnie Garvin.

[CSL]

It doesn't get any better than Shawn Michaels. Period.

Pretty much sums up the history of professional wrestling.

[Shisen Kopf]

Bret Hart, Stone Cold and Flair were all better than HBK

[CSL]

I see

[James Steele]

Bret Hart, Stone Cold and Flair were all better than HBK

Bret Hart - Great Technical Wrestler. HBK can do that.
Stone Cold - Great ring psychologist and brawler (was great before his neck injury). HBK can do that.
Flair - Great chickenshit heel. Great "legend" babyface. Great psychologist. HBK can do all that.

Ric Flair is the only wrestler who can claim to be better than Shawn Michaels, but Shawn Michaels had everything Flair had plus even more athleticism and more versatility in his promo ability.

[Road Warrior]

Bret Hart - Great Technical Wrestler. HBK can do that.
Stone Cold - Great ring psychologist and brawler (was great before his neck injury). HBK can do that.
Flair - Great chickenshit heel. Great "legend" babyface. Great psychologist. HBK can do all that.

Ric Flair is the only wrestler who can claim to be better than Shawn Michaels, but Shawn Michaels had everything Flair had plus even more athleticism and more versatility in his promo ability.

"HBK can do that" yeah, he can, but not as well in any category.

[James Steele]

"HBK can do that" yeah, he can, but not as well in any category.

HBK may not be as good of a pure "technical wrestler" as Bret Hart, but Shawn Michaels is no slouch on pure wrestling and his psychology and story-telling is second to none. Shawn Michaels' promo skills are second to few. Isn't it amazing that being really fucking good at a lot of different facets of wrestling make you the "best wrestler" moreso than just being great at one thing and mediocre at the rest?

[Saving Grace]

Randy Savage bc he wasn't in playgirl magazine.

and he never "lost his smile"

[James Steele]

and he never "lost his smile"
http://www.wwe.com/f/wysiwyg/image/2012/07/21_RAW_08152005CM_023.jpg

[Road Warrior]

[QUOTE=James Steele;3985373]. Shawn Michaels' promo skills are second to few.

Really ? If there is any category where HBK lacks, it's promo skills.

[Juan]

Two guys that are in my top 5, but went with HBK because he's higher on that list.

[James Steele]

Really ? If there is any category where HBK lacks, it's promo skills.

Please show me a bad HBK promo that he did after 1991.

[Road Warrior]

Please show me a bad HBK promo that he did after 1991.

Well to you there won't be any, so what's the point.

[#1-norm-fan]

and his psychology and story-telling is second to none.

And really, this is the main reason I put HBK ahead of anyone. Telling a story with everything you do in a match is the most important aspect of wrestling to me and HBK mastered it.

[#1-norm-fan]

Well to you there won't be any, so what's the point.

I'd be interested to see what you would consider a bad HBK promo...

[Road Warrior]

I'd be interested to see what you would consider a bad HBK promo...

There's not really a bad HBK promo, per say, just nothing that stands out compared to Macho Man.

[James Steele]

So...you are a troll?

[Road Warrior]

So...you are a troll?

?

[#1-norm-fan]

Sooo... to you there aren't any either? lol

[James Steele]

What Macho Man promos stand out to you and why? I can't remember any specific promos from Macho Man (granted he has been inactive for over a decade). He was charismatic as fuck and got you watching/listening, but I don't vividly remember any Macho Man promos for their actual content.

[#1-norm-fan]

I can't think of any "stand out" Macho Man promos.

I liked him on the mic. But I seriously can't pin point any specific promos.

HBK I can remember entire feuds where he was just on fire on the mic constantly.

[ron the dial]

SNAP INTO A SLIM JIM is all i can come up with :(

[James Steele]

I can't think of any "stand out" Macho Man promos.

I liked him on the mic. But I seriously can't pin point any specific promos.

HBK I can remember entire feuds where he was just on fire on the mic constantly.


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[Road Warrior]

Sooo... to you there aren't any either? lol

What I said originally was that if there was any category that HBK wasn't up to par as far as HOF consideration it was promo skills. I never said he was bad, just not as good as guys I would consider for the HOF. I don't know why this is difficult to comprehend.

[Road Warrior]

I can't think of any "stand out" Macho Man promos.

I liked him on the mic. But I seriously can't pin point any specific promos.

HBK I can remember entire feuds where he was just on fire on the mic constantly.

Really ? I don't know you personally, but you must not be a wrestling fan before around 96.

[ron the dial]

I want to see a Great Macho Man Promo

[James Steele]

What I said originally was that if there was any category that HBK wasn't up to par as far as HOF consideration it was promo skills. I never said he was bad, just not as good as guys I would consider for the HOF. I don't know why this is difficult to comprehend.

Except that HBK is considered one of the best promo guys of all time...

[#1-norm-fan]

What I said originally was that if there was any category that HBK wasn't up to par as far as HOF consideration it was promo skills. I never said he was bad, just not as good as guys I would consider for the HOF. I don't know why this is difficult to comprehend.

You never said he was bad. When you say there's no point in posting a bad HBK promo because "to you there weren't any" as opposed to "there weren't any" it does kind of imply that there are HBK promos you find bad.

Yes, things are tough to comprehend when they're inconsistent.

[James Steele]

The deal is that unlike Hogan and others, HBK's ringwork was so great that his promos never outshined his actual wrestling.

[#1-norm-fan]

Really ? I don't know you personally, but you must not be a wrestling fan before around 96.

I've watched my entire life actually. I was born in '84. I grew up liking Savage. He was great on the mic. Not someone I or anyone I've heard says "Hey remember that one promo..." about though.

[Road Warrior]

I've watched my entire life actually. I was born in '84. I grew up liking Savage. He was great on the mic. Not someone I or anyone I've heard says "Hey remember that one promo..." about though.

I was trying to find the promo from after WM 8, but I can't find it. To me that promo is head and shoulders above anything promo wise that HBK has ever done.

[Road Warrior]

Found it

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x535nj_ric-flair-macho-man-randy-savage-po_sport

Has Flair's also, his is gold too.

[James Steele]

Really ? I don't know you personally, but you must not be a wrestling fan before around 96.

Then find one on YouTube and post it. Don't sit there and say "HBK wasn't an elite HOF level promo, but Randy Savage was." then not give any examples of said promos where Savage is a "Hall of Fame promo".

HBK's descent into madness leading into WrestleMania XXVI and his obsession and need to beat The Undertaker to justify his entire career and legacy.

HBK's "mini heel-turn" against Hulk Hogan in the summer of 05 where he carried a main event feud (and match) on his back.

HBK's heel work in 1997-1998 where he had a chip on his shoulder because he was "The Headliner", "The Main Event", "The Show Stopper", and so on yet he still gets disrespected by guys like Bret Hart and others.

Shawn Michaels' promo in the press conference for WrestleMania XI. That one single line freaking 17 years ago really defines HBK's career and that was before he even won a World Title or main evented a WrestleMania (Bam Bam/LT main evented WM11).

Shawn Michaels' promos with the McMahons in 06 saved a months-long feud from being entirely unbearable.

The promos with Flair through WrestleMania XXIV. The emotions of not wanting to be the guy to end Flair's career but also "being a man" and accepting the challenge of your hero.

All the promos going into WM 25 were awesome.

Jericho/Michaels feuds in 2003 and 2008 were awesome both in the wrestling and in their promos.

Shawn Michaels was always able to cut promos that made you believe what he was saying and that helped define his character's attitude/beliefs/etc in a feud and made you want to see the match even more because you were hooked either emotionally through Shawn Michaels' ability to convince you that you wanted to see the resolution of the conflict or made you want to see the match because he is Shawn fucking Michaels and it will more than likely be the match of the night and candidate for match of the year.

[James Steele]

I was trying to find the promo from after WM 8, but I can't find it. To me that promo is head and shoulders above anything promo wise that HBK has ever done.

That's a stretch.

[Road Warrior]

That's a stretch.

In your opinion, not mine

[Road Warrior]

Show me a promo form youtube or wherever that you think is better than that.

[Road Warrior]

completely off topic, but is there a better theme than this ?


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[Keith]

Had to go with HBK, but it's definitely not a knock on Macho Man.

[James Steele]

Show me a promo form youtube or wherever that you think is better than that.

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[James Steele]

Those aren't even "memorable" promos that everyone talks about.

[Corporate CockSnogger]

HBK superkicked a little girl in the face guys. Instantly a better promo than anything Savage ever did.

[Sixx]

HBK superkicked a little girl in the face guys. Instantly a better promo than anything Savage ever did.

What?

Link!

[Corporate CockSnogger]

You don't actually see it, but still

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Also just cause I love it

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[Road Warrior]

Those aren't even "memorable" promos that everyone talks about.

I can see that by watching them. Those promo's are good, but none of those or any other one's that I can think of stand out, and they're certainly not better than Savage's WM 8 promo I posted. So .....?

[Sixx]

Yeah, "I just kicked Stan" is one of my favourite moments.

[James Steele]

I can see that by watching them. Those promo's are good, but none of those or any other one's that I can think of stand out, and they're certainly not better than Savage's WM 8 promo I posted. So .....?

I think they are just as good or better than that Savage promo. An average HBK promo is equitable to Savage's "best". Savage rambled on and basically said that taking the title was the best way for him to hurt Flair, but now he wants to destroy the rest of Flair at a later date. He said it in such a way that it was interesting, but hard to understand half the fucking time.

[James Steele]

Seriously, how can you watch that Savage promo and go "Oh my god, that promo was one of the best I have ever seen."

[Shisen Kopf]

Macho Man Elbow dropped a hamster. Therefore he wins!

[Gertner]

The finals should have been Hogan vs Flair,

but you're all basement dwelling fat virgins who jerk off to pictures of Dean Malenko, so meh.

[Shisen Kopf]

Dean Malenko was PWI's rassler of the year in 1997. Im sorry but Malenko is serious business. He does many, many holds. The armbar being the greatest. Recognize yo!

[Gertner]

The Great Muta should have been rassler of the year in 1997 because he's a Jap.

[Joesgonnakillyou]

I really hate the kip up HBK does.

[RiX1024]

Michaels gets my vote.

[KyleEmmott]

He's just a sexy boy

[Rollermacka]

Savage, I don't think Shawn has ever been in the Danger Zone...

[Theo Dious]

In regards to anyone who voted for Savage, all I have to say is, haters gonna hate.

[Keith]

"Haters gonna hate"?

Nah. More like "People gonna have opinions".

[Theo Dious]

"Haters gonna hate"?

Nah. More like "People gonna have opinions".

And it's mine that if you can pick Savage as a better wrestler than Michaels you are either consumed by hatred or possibly simply mentally ill.

[Keith]

Or, it's possible those who voted for Randy do so just because they think he was better than HBK.

Crazy how that's possible, huh?

[Ultra Mantis]

Tedious is full of iron(y).

[MVP]

I'd throw in my two cents, but I'm too busy jerking off to Dean Malenko.

[Majunior]

Savage.
The man was epic. Shawn simply isn't.

[#1-norm-fan]

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lol @ 8:01-8:04

[#1-norm-fan]

The finals should have been Hogan vs Flair,

but you're all basement dwelling fat virgins who jerk off to pictures of Dean Malenko, so meh.

Yes because Dean Malenko and Ric Flair's fanbases are just so different.

[Keith]

With all this talk about HBK's promos, I invite y'all to go back and watch some of HBK's promos from the Summer of 1997 to when he left in 1998.

Especially one where he, standing in the ring in short pants and no shirt, announced he'd be the special guest referee at Summerslam 1997.

Classic stuff. The guy was an awesome heel.

[Destor]

wanna take a moment and say Better Wrestler was a smashing success and while i few others have helped along the way Jeritron and Supreme kept this thing going. Without them two above all others we'd have never seen the finals take place. YOU TWO ARE TOPS IN MY BOOK.

[Keith]

I've got to say I didn't expect this poll to be this lopsided.

[Curd]

Even though HBK will win this one, I voted for Macho Man because he was as athletic as Shawn in his Intercontinental Champion days and later made feuds with George Steel, Warrior, and "Zodiac" Ed Leslie watchable.

[Juan]

Some would say that Randy Savage paves the way for smaller guys like Shawn Micheals

[Keith]

It's actually possible he did. He went up against guys like Hogan and Ultimate Warrior back in the day, guys who were bigger than him, very similar to what HBK did.

[#1-norm-fan]

Never thought of Savage as a small guy...

[Keith]

He wasn't small but he was smaller.

Look at some WCW video of him in the ring with his fellow NWO members. Dude looked small.

[Keith]

Shit just got real.

http://www.sneakerfiles.com/2012/09/21/jordan-aero-flight-macho-man/

http://i.imgur.com/noKpc.jpg

Who’s your favorite wrestler of all-time? Was it Mr. OOOOO YEAHH? Those were the golden days when wrestling seemed real. There were cage matches, Royal Rumbles, tables, chairs, and everything in between. Nowadays…oh nevermind.

This Jordan Aero Flight (http://www.sneakerfiles.com/2012/09/04/release-reminder-jordan-aero-flight-gym-redblack-white/) “Macho Man” shown today pays homage to WWF’s one and only “Macho Man” Randy Savage with a multicolored base that resembles many of the wrestler’s outfits. Using a white base and cool 2-D panels, this basketball shoe adds neon green, hot pink, and purple accents for an authentic look that only the Macho Man himself would approve of.

Check for the Jordan Aero Flight “Macho Man” to begin popping up at select retailers like Jimmy Jazz (http://www.jimmyjazz.com/mens/footwear/jordan-aero-flight-sneaker/524959180?color=Multi-Color) today.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Can we have a tournament or anything in here that isn't just a jerk-off to HBK? Just saying.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Shit just got real.

http://www.sneakerfiles.com/2012/09/21/jordan-aero-flight-macho-man/

http://i.imgur.com/noKpc.jpg

Who’s your favorite wrestler of all-time? Was it Mr. OOOOO YEAHH? Those were the golden days when wrestling seemed real. There were cage matches, Royal Rumbles, tables, chairs, and everything in between. Nowadays…oh nevermind.

This Jordan Aero Flight (http://www.sneakerfiles.com/2012/09/04/release-reminder-jordan-aero-flight-gym-redblack-white/) “Macho Man” shown today pays homage to WWF’s one and only “Macho Man” Randy Savage with a multicolored base that resembles many of the wrestler’s outfits. Using a white base and cool 2-D panels, this basketball shoe adds neon green, hot pink, and purple accents for an authentic look that only the Macho Man himself would approve of.

Check for the Jordan Aero Flight “Macho Man” to begin popping up at select retailers like Jimmy Jazz (http://www.jimmyjazz.com/mens/footwear/jordan-aero-flight-sneaker/524959180?color=Multi-Color) today.

125 Dollars. :eek:

[#1-norm-fan]

Can we have a tournament or anything in here that isn't just a jerk-off to HBK? Just saying.

Sooo we need a tournament in the wrestling forum that doesn't revolve around wrestling. Got it.

[Theo Dious]

Can we have a tournament or anything in here that isn't just a jerk-off to HBK? Just saying.

Sure, just as soon as "worst wrestler" begins.

[James Steele]

I still don't understand how anyone can justify paying over $100 for a pair of shoes.