OFFICIAL RAW IS RYBACK THREAD STARRING CM PUNK FEAT. VINCE MCMAHON AND PAUL HEYMAN (10/15/2012)

[Droford]

They need to stretch it out to WrestleMania but yeah, this needs to happen.

Ryback can't lose though. They need to end it in a non-finish somehow. I know a Hell in a Cell match ending without a finish is ridiculous but they've backed themselves into a corner and the commotion and "HOLY FUCK" moment of Lesnar and Ryback could be enough to distract from the non-finish.
F5 off the top through the cage Foley style and puts a hole in the ring

[Road Warrior]

They need to stretch it out to WrestleMania but yeah, this needs to happen.

Ryback can't lose though. They need to end it in a non-finish somehow. I know a Hell in a Cell match ending without a finish is ridiculous but they've backed themselves into a corner and the commotion and "HOLY FUCK" moment of Lesnar and Ryback could be enough to distract from the non-finish.

Why would there be a HOLYFUCK moment between Lesnar and Ryback ? Ryback isn't super over even if they are pushing him to the moon.

[Emperor Smeat]

... Why did Cena just do that? lol

Probably figures if he's going to be out might as well enjoy seeing Punk gets his ass kicked as consolation.

Found it funnier how they built up the whole important decision by Vince the whole night only to see Cena literally give away the announcement and just walks out of the ring leaving Vince speechless.

Did laugh at the comedic feeling of Ryback slamming Punk's head on the table.

[#1-norm-fan]

Why would there be a HOLYFUCK moment between Lesnar and Ryback ? Ryback isn't super over even if they are pushing him to the moon.

...

[#1-norm-fan]

Probably figures if he's going to be out might as well enjoy seeing Punk gets his ass kicked as consolation.

He wasn't "out" though. He took himself out of the match and gave it to Ryback. lol

[Wehttam]

...obviously he has had no sound or audio the last 2 weeks. he has been getting the braille version of raw

[Droford]

Wwe should pull a tna..ryback wins by dq in hiac lol

[#1-norm-fan]

Did laugh at the comedic feeling of Ryback slamming Punk's head on the table.

And this made me laugh out loud too. So sudden. lol

[Road Warrior]

He wasn't "out" though. He took himself out of the match and gave it to Ryback. lol

Would of made more sense to have Vince say Cena's not cleared with Cena protesting, but then again that would take away from Ryback and he needs the rub from Cena anyway.

[#1-norm-fan]

obviously he has had no sound or audio the last 2 weeks. he has been getting the braille version of raw

:lol:

You'd think even then, seeing the crowd jumping off their feet and going nuts and the fact that the camera was shaking would have been a sign.

[Road Warrior]

Wonder if there's a chance they'll add Ziggler to the match ? Seems strange that he'd cut that promo, save face by leaving during his match then not be included in the main event. Also you would be able to have Punk retain without hurting Ryback.

[DLVH84]

Ryback's going to kill Punk and Heyman.

[Shisen Kopf]

For the first time since MITB last year, I think I'm gonna order HIAC to see RYBACK beat the hell outta Punk.

[Savio]

I need to see a gif of miz getting hit.

[#1-norm-fan]

Outside of Punk-Cena at MITB last year and Rock-Cena, I haven't been this intrigued about the outcome of a match in years and years.

[dronepool]

Punk's going to win. This way, he can still say he's the best.

[Emperor Smeat]

I need to see a gif of miz getting hit.

http://i.imgur.com/NX3kq.gif

[#1-norm-fan]

I really don't see how they can have Ryback lose. They're just now picking up steam with him and just like that they're gonna have him lose and make him "human"?

Tough to see Punk's reign coming to an end though too especially since they've planted the seed for Punk-Rock at the Rumble and Punk losing it and ending this epic reign only to win it back and start another one from scratch seems ridiculous.

I don't know. They need to somehow think of a non-finish that doesn't leave the crowd facepalming.

[Volare]

Watching Raw now....Holy shit that Miz promo was epic and sold Kofi over a million bucks. I think this is the best short storyline in a looong time.

[Lock Jaw]

:lol: John Cena.

Pushes for weeks to fight for Punk. Says that even though he is injured, he wants to fight. Then when the time comes for picking Punk's opponent, he is just like "Nah, you need your ass kicked. Fight Ryback, bro" and walks off.

He could have just been straightforward and said he was not cleared to wrestle yet.

[Lock Jaw]

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GINGER ZOOT

[Droford]

Ryback throws up in the middle of the match

He's gonna puke v2

[Lock Jaw]

http://i.imgur.com/IhPtG.jpg

[Droford]

Dmac sorta looks like juvy

[Lock Jaw]

3MegaBytes will be the biggest thing since the Mean Street Posse. Mark my words.

[Volare]

Cena endorsing Ryback....well I've seen everything now.

[Droford]

The funny thing is if ryback were to win, he'd win a belt before wade Barrett who won nxt..

[#1-norm-fan]

The funny thing is if ryback were to win, he'd win a belt before wade Barrett who won nxt..

Danie Bryan already won a belt before Barrett. That ship has sailed.

[#1-norm-fan]

:lol: John Cena.

Pushes for weeks to fight for Punk. Says that even though he is injured, he wants to fight. Then when the time comes for picking Punk's opponent, he is just like "Nah, you need your ass kicked. Fight Ryback, bro" and walks off.

He could have just been straightforward and said he was not cleared to wrestle yet.

lol. Made no sense.

[James Steele]

I really don't see how they can have Ryback lose. They're just now picking up steam with him and just like that they're gonna have him lose and make him "human"?

Tough to see Punk's reign coming to an end though too especially since they've planted the seed for Punk-Rock at the Rumble and Punk losing it and ending this epic reign only to win it back and start another one from scratch seems ridiculous.

I don't know. They need to somehow think of a non-finish that doesn't leave the crowd facepalming.

I agree with you that they have backed themselves into a corner, but there are so many ways to make this a clusterfuck. I honestly think having Ryback lose (not clean obviously) would be the best thing for him. The problem with "undefeated monster" gimmicks is that eventually you will lose and then they never recover because there is nothing else for the character.

If Ryback gets completely screwed by Lesnar/Heyman/Punk and you solve that problem in one move. He has been beaten, but he has something to go into. The key is WWE can't do something too ridiculous/over the top to have them beat him (ie. taser him like Goldberg). I think Lesnar breaking into the cell and having a huge faceoff while Punk smashes him in the back of the head with the steel steps would be a good finish. They could have the referee Punk chastised a few weeks ago do a fast count and have Ryback kick out at a normal two but not in time for the quick 3.

I think the best idea with this whole Punk dynamic is for him to completely go overboard with his quest for respect. Heyman and him conspire to completely take over the WWE. If CM Punk will beat the shit out of Vince McMahon, who won't he assault, beat, or intimidate in order to get respect and control? They get the referee, they have Lesnar as the unbridled monster (and tease him growing tired of Punk). Don't make it a giant stable, but just have him either manipulate people or simply beat the shit out of them. Keep Lesnar appearances down to pretty much only for Ryback confrontations to build to that for WrestleMania.

Ideally, you build it to where when Rock/Punk happens at the Royal Rumble that it seems like The Rock is the shining white knight who is not only coming back for the WWE Title but he is the only one left who can save the WWE from Punk and company. Vince begs The Rock to do what nobody has been able to do in over almost 2 years...humble CM Punk. The Rock is pumped. The Rock is jacked. The Rock delivers electric promos...but Punk just smirks and doesn't say a word. The Pipebomb Machine is simply smug and relatively quiet going into the single biggest match of his life. CM Punk defeats The Rock clean at the Royal Rumble.

The Elimination Chamber looms and Vince has one last chance to keep CM Punk from headlining the biggest WrestleMania of all time. Ryback vs Lesnar vs Cena vs The Undertaker vs The Rock vs Punk inside the Elimination Chamber for the WWE Championship. Surely, there is no chance in hell that CM Punk can retain. Ryback eliminates Lesnar. Cena/Taker/Punk/Rock all team up to take out Ryback. When Ryback is forced to leave, an angry Lesnar comes out and they brawl on the stage. The Undertaker eliminates Cena. CM Punk eliminates The Rock. CM Punk and Undertaker battle. You do a ref bump where they have to open the door. CM Punk low blows Undertaker and runs out of the Elimination Chamber and leaves the arena in a car with Paul Heyman driving like a bat out of hell.

Vince McMahon comes out and announces that the Chamber is a no contest, but that he owes The Undertaker an apology. He forgot that he has the single greatest entity in the history of professional wrestling...The Phenom...The Streak...The Undertaker! CM Punk will have nowhere to run and nowhere to hide because at WrestleMania XXIX in Metlife Stadium he will defend his WWE Championship against THE UNDERTAKER! The greatest championship reign in 40 years versus The greatest WWE career of all time. What better way to humble CM Punk and teach him about respect than to turn him from the greatest WWE Champion since the 1970s to just a mere statistic. Just another statistic in an even bigger legend's legacy. I wouldn't have CM Punk beat Undertaker. I'd have it follow the recent formula of "as close as you can get without beating him". Undertaker doesn't wrestle often, but it is sort of a "farewell tour" that ends with Undertaker/Cena at WrestleMania 30 where Cena turns heel and cheats to end The Streak and win the WWE Championship for the first time in 3 years.

[James Steele]

[/Noid Post]

[Skippord]

hate the nickname Big Hungry so much

[MIZantine Empire]

"undefeated challenger takes on defiant champion in Atlanta" deja vu anybody? Btw nice almost nip slip from Layla... Mmmm

[Skippord]

Ryback's thousand yard stare for world champion

[Skippord]

Ryback and DAMN iNATOR would be good friends

[Autobahn]

Man...Miz really copped a mouthful of that kick.

Hope RYBACK wins. But I think it will finish similar to HBK/Taker HIAC - so both men look strong.

[Corporate CockSnogger]

3MB will interfere and take out both Punk and RYBACK and also Big Show and Sheamus.

[Innovator]

Cranky Vince ‏@CrankyVince
GODDAMN. WHY DIDN'T YOU TELL ME I FORGOT TO WRESTLE @HEYMANHUSTLE LAST NIGHT IN THE FINAL SEGMENT? DO I HAVE TO DO EVERYTHING AROUND HERE?

[#1-norm-fan]

They could have the referee Punk chastised a few weeks ago do a fast count and have Ryback kick out at a normal two but not in time for the quick 3.

This might be their way out. Crooked ref counts a fast three while Ryback kicks out with authority at what should have been 2 and gets up ready to tear Punk apart some more. No more undefeated streak to worry about but Ryback doesn't lose that "unhuman" aura that he would lose by getting legit pinned even with outside interference. Perfect.

And at the end you can still do the Ryback-Lesnar stuff to really assure the show doesn't end on a sour, note with people feeling cheated.

[Big Vic]

They should have Scott Hall dress up like a security guard and Taser Ryback to cost him the match

[Fignuts]

I think the best case scenario is having lesnar interfere to help punk win.

[Pintint]

They should have Scott Hall dress up like a security guard and Taser Ryback to cost him the match

It would be hilarious if they did this, but never explained it afterwards.

[Tazz Dan]

I agree with you that they have backed themselves into a corner, but there are so many ways to make this a clusterfuck. I honestly think having Ryback lose (not clean obviously) would be the best thing for him. The problem with "undefeated monster" gimmicks is that eventually you will lose and then they never recover because there is nothing else for the character.

If Ryback gets completely screwed by Lesnar/Heyman/Punk and you solve that problem in one move. He has been beaten, but he has something to go into. The key is WWE can't do something too ridiculous/over the top to have them beat him (ie. taser him like Goldberg). I think Lesnar breaking into the cell and having a huge faceoff while Punk smashes him in the back of the head with the steel steps would be a good finish. They could have the referee Punk chastised a few weeks ago do a fast count and have Ryback kick out at a normal two but not in time for the quick 3.

I think the best idea with this whole Punk dynamic is for him to completely go overboard with his quest for respect. Heyman and him conspire to completely take over the WWE. If CM Punk will beat the shit out of Vince McMahon, who won't he assault, beat, or intimidate in order to get respect and control? They get the referee, they have Lesnar as the unbridled monster (and tease him growing tired of Punk). Don't make it a giant stable, but just have him either manipulate people or simply beat the shit out of them. Keep Lesnar appearances down to pretty much only for Ryback confrontations to build to that for WrestleMania.

Ideally, you build it to where when Rock/Punk happens at the Royal Rumble that it seems like The Rock is the shining white knight who is not only coming back for the WWE Title but he is the only one left who can save the WWE from Punk and company. Vince begs The Rock to do what nobody has been able to do in over almost 2 years...humble CM Punk. The Rock is pumped. The Rock is jacked. The Rock delivers electric promos...but Punk just smirks and doesn't say a word. The Pipebomb Machine is simply smug and relatively quiet going into the single biggest match of his life. CM Punk defeats The Rock clean at the Royal Rumble.

The Elimination Chamber looms and Vince has one last chance to keep CM Punk from headlining the biggest WrestleMania of all time. Ryback vs Lesnar vs Cena vs The Undertaker vs The Rock vs Punk inside the Elimination Chamber for the WWE Championship. Surely, there is no chance in hell that CM Punk can retain. Ryback eliminates Lesnar. Cena/Taker/Punk/Rock all team up to take out Ryback. When Ryback is forced to leave, an angry Lesnar comes out and they brawl on the stage. The Undertaker eliminates Cena. CM Punk eliminates The Rock. CM Punk and Undertaker battle. You do a ref bump where they have to open the door. CM Punk low blows Undertaker and runs out of the Elimination Chamber and leaves the arena in a car with Paul Heyman driving like a bat out of hell.

Vince McMahon comes out and announces that the Chamber is a no contest, but that he owes The Undertaker an apology. He forgot that he has the single greatest entity in the history of professional wrestling...The Phenom...The Streak...The Undertaker! CM Punk will have nowhere to run and nowhere to hide because at WrestleMania XXIX in Metlife Stadium he will defend his WWE Championship against THE UNDERTAKER! The greatest championship reign in 40 years versus The greatest WWE career of all time. What better way to humble CM Punk and teach him about respect than to turn him from the greatest WWE Champion since the 1970s to just a mere statistic. Just another statistic in an even bigger legend's legacy. I wouldn't have CM Punk beat Undertaker. I'd have it follow the recent formula of "as close as you can get without beating him". Undertaker doesn't wrestle often, but it is sort of a "farewell tour" that ends with Undertaker/Cena at WrestleMania 30 where Cena turns heel and cheats to end The Streak and win the WWE Championship for the first time in 3 years.





Good post James. I agree with all of that (although I did only browse over some parts) apart from Cena beating The Undertaker. Never want to see that happen, not because it's Cena, more because I don't think the streak should ever end now. But that's just my opinion.

[erickman]

http://i.imgur.com/IhPtG.jpg

give them masks and they can join aces an 8's

[erickman]

They should have Scott Hall dress up like a security guard and Taser Ryback to cost him the match

that would be good but as much as they bitched when wcw did that, an said thats why wcw failed, do'nt see it hapenen.

[Tazz Dan]

I don't recall anyone blaming the taser attack as the reason WCW folded.

[Anybody Thrilla]

The taser attack is the reason WCW folded.

[Savio]

After the Taser attack they should have just had Goldberg demolish nWo, nWo Wolfpac.....and the LwO i guess

[erickman]

I don't recall anyone blaming the taser attack as the reason WCW folded.

it was in the rise and fall of wcw, ok jr was the one talking, but still they said that started the fall of wcw.

[#1-norm-fan]

I like this look for Drew McIntyre. He should stick with it after WWE inevitably stops writing shit for this stable and they disappear without warning in a month.

[#1-norm-fan]

In fact, just let him be the One Man Scottish Bagpipe Band.

[St. Jimmy]

WWE Raw on Monday, October 15 scored a 2.79 rating, which was essentially flat with a 2.78 rating last week. The standard two-hour rating was a 2.78 rating, reflecting another poor third hour performance.

- Raw averaged just under four million viewers with an average of 3.99 million viewers for all three hours, which was down three percent from last week. Again, the third hour trailed off, reflecting shifting viewing habits to 8:00 to 10:00 p.m. EST, with a drop-off during the 10:00 to 11:00 hour + over-run.

Hourly Break Down: 4.07 million first hour viewers, 4.01 million second hour viewers, and 3.89 million third hour viewers. The third hour included the big "decision" on C.M. Punk's WWE Title opponent at Hell in a Cell preceded by filler segments.

Raw did not show any gains despite ESPN's Monday Night Football game down nine percent to the lowest viewership since Week 1 of the NFL season.

- On cable TV Monday night, Raw ranked #3 in overall viewers behind the NFL and "Major Crimes" on TNT, which continues to win the Monday Night Battle against Raw. In key male demos, Raw ranked #2 behind football.

In the week-to-week demos, Raw was essentially even with last week's show, except for males 18-34, which creeped up to a three-week high. Within the actual Raw show, males 18-49 remained steady throughout without a third-hour drop-off, which is encouraging news.

Vince and Ryback are killing Raw quickly.

[James Steele]

Yes, WWE is dying like it has an advanced flesh-eating bacterial infection. They are only the #3 show in all of cable television. I don't know if they can make it to January at this rate.

[#1-norm-fan]

WWE Raw on Monday, October 15 scored a 2.79 rating, which was essentially flat with a 2.78 rating last week. The standard two-hour rating was a 2.78 rating, reflecting another poor third hour performance.

- Raw averaged just under four million viewers with an average of 3.99 million viewers for all three hours, which was down three percent from last week. Again, the third hour trailed off, reflecting shifting viewing habits to 8:00 to 10:00 p.m. EST, with a drop-off during the 10:00 to 11:00 hour + over-run.

Hourly Break Down: 4.07 million first hour viewers, 4.01 million second hour viewers, and 3.89 million third hour viewers. The third hour included the big "decision" on C.M. Punk's WWE Title opponent at Hell in a Cell preceded by filler segments.

Raw did not show any gains despite ESPN's Monday Night Football game down nine percent to the lowest viewership since Week 1 of the NFL season.

- On cable TV Monday night, Raw ranked #3 in overall viewers behind the NFL and "Major Crimes" on TNT, which continues to win the Monday Night Battle against Raw. In key male demos, Raw ranked #2 behind football.

In the week-to-week demos, Raw was essentially even with last week's show, except for males 18-34, which creeped up to a three-week high. Within the actual Raw show, males 18-49 remained steady throughout without a third-hour drop-off, which is encouraging news.

Vince and Ryback are killing Raw quickly.

http://www.memegeneokerlund.com/media/created/nrj925.jpg

[DAMN iNATOR]

I really don't see how they can have Ryback lose. They're just now picking up steam with him and just like that they're gonna have him lose and make him "human"?

Tough to see Punk's reign coming to an end though too especially since they've planted the seed for Punk-Rock at the Rumble and Punk losing it and ending this epic reign only to win it back and start another one from scratch seems ridiculous.

I don't know. They need to somehow think of a non-finish that doesn't leave the crowd facepalming.

Because THIS \/:
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Ever since Rock announced a title match on RAW 1000 and Punk attacking him later that night, it's pretty well-known that barring injury to Punk or Rock or some major change in booking between now and late Jan. (which I don't see either happening), we're getting Punk v. Rock at RR '13.

And @ the 2nd part: I dunno, maybe some sort of crazy finish involving the guys somehow busting the Cell or they fight to the top and somebody crashes and burns through the cell roof or something. Just throwing pasta at the ceiling, so to speak. See if anything sticks.

[Gertner]

WWE Raw on Monday, October 15 scored a 2.79 rating, which was essentially flat with a 2.78 rating last week. The standard two-hour rating was a 2.78 rating, reflecting another poor third hour performance.

- Raw averaged just under four million viewers with an average of 3.99 million viewers for all three hours, which was down three percent from last week. Again, the third hour trailed off, reflecting shifting viewing habits to 8:00 to 10:00 p.m. EST, with a drop-off during the 10:00 to 11:00 hour + over-run.

Hourly Break Down: 4.07 million first hour viewers, 4.01 million second hour viewers, and 3.89 million third hour viewers. The third hour included the big "decision" on C.M. Punk's WWE Title opponent at Hell in a Cell preceded by filler segments.

Raw did not show any gains despite ESPN's Monday Night Football game down nine percent to the lowest viewership since Week 1 of the NFL season.

- On cable TV Monday night, Raw ranked #3 in overall viewers behind the NFL and "Major Crimes" on TNT, which continues to win the Monday Night Battle against Raw. In key male demos, Raw ranked #2 behind football.

In the week-to-week demos, Raw was essentially even with last week's show, except for males 18-34, which creeped up to a three-week high. Within the actual Raw show, males 18-49 remained steady throughout without a third-hour drop-off, which is encouraging news.

Vince and Ryback are killing Raw quickly.

Friggen CM Punk is gonna send this company to the poor house. THE RYBACK
is our only hope.

I think Punkk's reign has proven that Indie wrestling blows and those guys should pick to their fast food jobs.

[#1-norm-fan]

Because THIS \/:
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Ever since Rock announced a title match on RAW 1000 and Punk attacking him later that night, it's pretty well-known that barring injury to Punk or Rock or some major change in booking between now and late Jan. (which I don't see either happening), we're getting Punk v. Rock at RR '13.

Kinda covered that in the part you didn't highlight. lol

Can't see Punk losing because they've planted the seeds for Rock/Punk at the Rumble.

[Tommy Gunn]

Ryback vs. Punk is a good draw to get PPV buys, but holy fuck is it a bad idea booking wise, Ryback can't lose clean, nor can he win the title so soon without having ONE proper match on TV go longer than a minute, and a DQ finish is out because it's in a HIAC!

I hope they can write their way out of blowing their load on Ryback so soon. At least they could have fed him the IC title and the rest of the midcard first.

[Lock Jaw]

http://i.imgur.com/cODDX.jpg

[Rhaps]

lol @ WWE 'Are You Serious' video on Youtube today:

Josh Matthews: "And you can all go back to writing your Ryback fan fiction" :D

[DAMN iNATOR]

Kinda covered that in the part you didn't highlight. lol

Can't see Punk losing because they've planted the seeds for Rock/Punk at the Rumble.

That’s what I’ve been trying to tell you all along. Evidently to no avail.

[#1-norm-fan]

That’s what I’ve been trying to tell you all along. Evidently to no avail.

... You've been trying to tell me what I already said before you ever tried to tell me anything huh?

[#1-norm-fan]

Tough to see Punk's reign coming to an end though too especially since they've planted the seed for Punk-Rock at the Rumble and Punk losing it and ending this epic reign only to win it back and start another one from scratch seems ridiculous.

Ever since Rock announced a title match on RAW 1000 and Punk attacking him later that night, it's pretty well-known that barring injury to Punk or Rock or some major change in booking between now and late Jan. (which I don't see either happening), we're getting Punk v. Rock at RR '13.

Kinda covered that in the part you didn't highlight. lol

Can't see Punk losing because they've planted the seeds for Rock/Punk at the Rumble.

That’s what I’ve been trying to tell you all along. Evidently to no avail.

... Read all of this repeatedly until you figure out what you're trying to tell me. lol

[Fignuts]

Friggen CM Punk is gonna send this company to the poor house. THE RYBACK
is our only hope.

I think Punkk's reign has proven that Indie wrestling blows and those guys should pick to their fast food jobs.

I dunno. Seems more like ratings have started to plummet since ryback started getting pushed.

You ask me they need more workrate in the main event.

[DAMN iNATOR]

... Read all of this repeatedly until you figure out what you're trying to tell me. lol

Just saying I agreed with your assessment and that the only way I see this not happening is in the highly unlikely event either becomes injured before.