Who would win in a clean WWE match- Ryback or Brock Lesnar?

[meushar100]

If the 2 face each other in a clean WWE match (without outside interferences, dirty tricks, etc)- who would win?

[whiteyford]

Whoever the bookers want to win?

[Corporate CockSnogger]

This guy loves his polls.

[Cool King]

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[whiteyford]

Damn you CK, was just coming to steal owenbrowns spoiler joke...

[Cool King]

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[Mr. Nerfect]

If Brock Lesnar agreed to sign on with the WWE full-time, they would put him over Ryback in a heart beat.

[Nicky Fives]

If Brock Lesnar agreed to sign on with the WWE full-time, they would put him over Ryback in a heart beat.

[#1-norm-fan]

Only if Ryback got a rematch and won it. There's no way WWE would use Ryback, a guy they're looking at as the next Cena, just to put over Brock Lesnar. That's ridiculous.

[#1-norm-fan]

I mean, I know they've seemed completely inept when it comes to building guys up recently but with Ryback being Vince's prototypical superstar, even I don't think they could fuck up THAT bad.

[Jordan]

Brock

[Emperor Smeat]

Ryback and think they could have easily set up an eventual match between them had they gone with a Lesnar run-in or at least a tease during the past Hell in a Cell ppv.

[Lock Jaw]

Have zero desire to see a Ryback/Lesnar match.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

Goldberg

[Tazz Dan]

The fans.

[#1-norm-fan]

Have zero desire to see a Ryback/Lesnar match.

Why!?!?!?!?

I seriously can't think of any realistic matches I would be more juiced for. It's the perfect legit badass fighter vs the legit badass pro wrestler. Especially if they keep Ryback looking unstoppable, the idea of building the match based on "Holy shit, Lesnar could actually not only lose but get the shit kicked out of him in the process but Ryback could very well suffer the same fate." is everything a "big fight feel" is made of.

[Tazz Dan]

Remember Goldberg/Lesnar? Yeah....

[#1-norm-fan]

There's a HUGE difference between two guys who were "old news" and on their way out of the company in a match that had no barring on the future and an insanely built up new star facing a guy who just returned from the UFC where he became a bigger star than he ever was before and became known as a legit monster.

They aren't even close to the same situation.

[Lock Jaw]

Until Ryback proves to me that he is more than a flash in the pan, I don't want to see one of Lesnar's few bouts "wasted" on him.

[Shisen Kopf]

I think that the match would be serious business and ultimately it would be a draw. They would rassle for 67.6 minutes w/out a pin or submission and would decide to not fight snymore but to go to Golden Coral and enjoy the chocolate fountain together.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Yeah, I'm totally on board with those who do not give two shits about Ryback vs. Lesnar. Brock is one of the most freakishly unique talents of all-time. The guy had an amazing grasp of professional wrestling, could work a marathon or a sprint effectively, and is legitimately one of the toughest son of a bitches in the world.

Ryback is booked as a monster because he is jacked.

It'd be like putting Shawn Michaels in the ring with Romeo Roselli because they are both associated with "Heartbreak."

[Mr. Nerfect]

That was hyperbole, before you get upset, #1-wwf-fan.

But I will say this: Daniel Bryan is closer to being Kurt Angle than Ryback is to being Brock Lesnar.

[itsmeJD]

This guy loves his polls.

That's what she said.

[#1-norm-fan]

Ryback is booked as a monster because he is jacked.

... It's pro wrestling though. It doesn't matter why he's booked as a monster. If he's booked as a monster, then within the world of pro wrestling, he is a monster. And if he's booked as such, he is as much of a monster as Lesnar within the world of pro wrestling.

Lesnar would destroy John Cena or Triple H in a real fight in seconds. Within the world of wrestling, they are booked with enough "heart" to either overcome or come damn near close. Ryback is being booked as being unstoppable. Therefore he is. Lesnar has a legit background of being unstoppable that they have exploited for his character.

Basically, my point is it's sports entertainment. People are what they are booked as. And the way they've been booked, Ryback vs Lesnar is a fucking must see. Unstoppable monster vs unstoppable monster and something has to give. Like I said, it screams "big fight feel" in a way wrestling matches nowadays tend not to with everyone losing and looking more and more mortal on free TV on a weekly basis.

[Jura]

Ryback isn't that much bigger than Cena. Actually Cena has bigger arms and Ryback just has a more jacked chest. Brock is bigger than Ryback.

[Shisen Kopf]

The real question is how would they have faired against Andre the Giant? I'm totally off the ryback bandwagon now b/c he lost and now I don't care anymore, no more, no more. It's like ever since he lost he's no son of mine. But I could see it coming in the air that ryback was going to lose. Ryback was rushed and like love, you can't hurry it.

[#1-norm-fan]

Ryback would beat Andre because Ryback has a better record than Andre did. Lesnar would lose to Andre because Andre had a better record than Lesnar.

It's science.

[Mr. Nerfect]

... It's pro wrestling though. It doesn't matter why he's booked as a monster. If he's booked as a monster, then within the world of pro wrestling, he is a monster. And if he's booked as such, he is as much of a monster as Lesnar within the world of pro wrestling.

Lesnar would destroy John Cena or Triple H in a real fight in seconds. Within the world of wrestling, they are booked with enough "heart" to either overcome or come damn near close. Ryback is being booked as being unstoppable. Therefore he is. Lesnar has a legit background of being unstoppable that they have exploited for his character.

Basically, my point is it's sports entertainment. People are what they are booked as. And the way they've been booked, Ryback vs Lesnar is a fucking must see. Unstoppable monster vs unstoppable monster and something has to give. Like I said, it screams "big fight feel" in a way wrestling matches nowadays tend not to with everyone losing and looking more and more mortal on free TV on a weekly basis.

So let's put Trent Barreta over Sheamus tomorrow. People will buy that, and suddenly Trent Barreta vs. John Cena will be a must-see.

[Shisen Kopf]

Ryback would beat Andre because Ryback has a better record than Andre did. Lesnar would lose to Andre because Andre had a better record than Lesnar.

It's science.

So does that make Lawrence Taylor and Jay Leno the greatest rasslers alive?

[#1-norm-fan]

So let's put Trent Barreta over Sheamus tomorrow. People will buy that, and suddenly Trent Barreta vs. John Cena will be a must-see.

Yes because Ryback being built up for a year as unstoppable before facing Brock Lesnar is the equivalent of Trent Barreta going from NXT jobber to beating Sheamus tomorrow.

Jesus Christ, really? lol

[#1-norm-fan]

So does that make Lawrence Taylor and Jay Leno the greatest rasslers alive?

Yes

[Mr. Nerfect]

Yes because Ryback being built up for a year as unstoppable before facing Brock Lesnar is the equivalent of Trent Barreta going from NXT jobber to beating Sheamus tomorrow.

Jesus Christ, really? lol

If in your world worth can be completely kayfabed, then yes, it is.

[#1-norm-fan]

There is no "worth" kayfabe-wise in Barreta being horrible for years.

There is "worth" in dominating for a year, destroying people and making the WWE champion scared shitless to be in the same ring with you.

Let Baretta suddenly figure out how to be a wrestling machine kayfabe-wise and strike fear into opponents for a while then we can discuss that. Beating Sheamus tomorrow would only make him this generation's 1-2-3 Kid. If he starts winning on a regular basis, then it can start being a fair comparison.

[Mr. Nerfect]

There is no "worth" kayfabe-wise in Barreta being horrible for years.

There is "worth" in dominating for a year, destroying people and making the WWE champion scared shitless to be in the same ring with you.

Let Baretta suddenly figure out how to be a wrestling machine kayfabe-wise and strike fear into opponents for a while then we can discuss that. Beating Sheamus tomorrow would only make him this generation's 1-2-3 Kid. If he starts winning on a regular basis, then it can start being a fair comparison.

You're trying to compare Ryback and Brock Lesnar, and you want fair comparisons?

[Mr. Nerfect]

If Barreta beat Sheamus clean, then in a kayfabe sense he is better than Sheamus who was just World Heavyweight Champion. Suddenly Big Show vs. Barreta becomes a dream match, right?

[#1-norm-fan]

In what way am I trying to compare Ryback and Brock Lesnar? By saying that a WrestleMania match between Lesnar and the guy Vince in grooming to be the next wrestling mega-star would be huge? Does the comparison fail simply because you don't like Ryback. So fuck the fact that audiences seem to dig the guy. You don't like him. BRING ON HUNICO VS. LESNAR!

[Mr. Nerfect]

But if Hunico went on a winning streak for a couple of weeks, that would be awesome, right? :roll:

[Mr. Nerfect]

Triple H vs. The Undertaker captures my imagination more than Lesnar vs. Ryback. The most interesting thing about Lesnar vs. Ryback is that there are six letters in each of their names, so the WWE can use symmetrical block lettering to promote the match.

But Hunico has that as well. I say the WWE should go forward with that.

[#1-norm-fan]

If Barreta beat Sheamus clean, then in a kayfabe sense he is better than Sheamus who was just World Heavyweight Champion. Suddenly Big Show vs. Barreta becomes a dream match, right?

No. It means he's Barry Horrowitz. If he is actually booked consistantly to look like a threat, then we can talk. Of course if the crowd doesn't buy into him then WWE would be foolish to keep trying with him. That doesn't mean they couldn't in theory book him to be a threat kayfabe-wise. It would just be a dumb thing to do if he draws like shit.

[#1-norm-fan]

But if Hunico went on a winning streak for a couple of weeks, that would be awesome, right? :roll:

No. Because Hunico sucks. If they built him up to where he was destroying main eventers I would say "Hey, Hunico looks like a threat. He's destroying main eventers... This company is gonna go out of business very soon because no one gives a fuck about this guy."

[Mr. Nerfect]

In what way am I trying to compare Ryback and Brock Lesnar? By saying that a WrestleMania match between Lesnar and the guy Vince in grooming to be the next wrestling mega-star would be huge? Does the comparison fail simply because you don't like Ryback. So fuck the fact that audiences seem to dig the guy. You don't like him. BRING ON HUNICO VS. LESNAR!

You compared the two by suggesting that Lesnar would only go over if Ryback got his win back. You are suggesting that Ryback is in a position where he somehow ranks around Lesnar in terms of importance. You are comparing the worth of each to Vince McMahon.

[Mr. Nerfect]

You completely lost any grounds for your argument when you suggested that Hun-"The Greatest of All-Time"-ico sucks. Go back to whacking off to clunky, awkward Titus O'Neil promos.

"Millions of Swimmers! Millions of Swimmers!"

[#1-norm-fan]

The most interesting thing about Lesnar vs. Ryback is that there are six letters in each of their names, so the WWE can use symmetrical block lettering to promote the match.

But Hunico has that as well. I say the WWE should go forward with that.

You really are so blind that you can't see where Ryback currently stands within the WWE. The man is about to main event his second straight PPV for the WWE Title. He's getting great reactions. Apparently the Hell in a Cell buyrate was "surprisingly strong" and I'm pretty sure it wasn't for Big Show-Sheamus.

But you don't like him. So fuck putting him in a huge match with the most over heel on the roster.

[Mr. Nerfect]

What our differences really come down to is that you think Ryback is the next mega-star. I don't.

[#1-norm-fan]

You compared the two by suggesting that Lesnar would only go over if Ryback got his win back. You are suggesting that Ryback is in a position where he somehow ranks around Lesnar in terms of importance. You are comparing the worth of each to Vince McMahon.

Lesnar is a part-timer. And he's not gonna be around as long as Ryback. Ryback is Vince McMahon's plan for the next Cena. Why the fuck would Vince not wanna put his full time future mega-star over the most intimidating guy he has access to and instantly make him a major star?

[Mr. Nerfect]

Daniel Bryan challenged for the WWE Title at like a million PPVs.

[#1-norm-fan]

What our differences really come down to is that you think Ryback is the next mega-star. I don't.

It doesn't matter if you don't. It doesn't matter if I do. The company CLEARLY thinks he is and his reactions haven't exactly proven them wrong.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Lesnar is a part-timer. And he's not gonna be around as long as Ryback. Ryback is Vince McMahon's plan for the next Cena. Why the fuck would Vince not wanna put his full time future mega-star over the most intimidating guy he has access to and instantly make him a major star?

If Brock Lesnar agreed to sign on with the WWE full-time, they would put him over Ryback in a heart beat.

[#1-norm-fan]

Daniel Bryan challenged for the WWE Title at like a million PPVs.

How many times did he actually headline the show?

[Mr. Nerfect]

It doesn't matter if you don't. It doesn't matter if I do. The company CLEARLY thinks he is and his reactions haven't exactly proven them wrong.

*cough* Ratings have.

[Mr. Nerfect]

How many times did he actually headline the show?

How much would Ryback have headlined the show on a card featuring John Cena or BROCK FUCKING LESNAR!?!

[#1-norm-fan]

Even if Brock did sign on full-time, age is a factor and they need to put over a star and there is literally no one else on the roster they would rather have be that guy than Ryback.

[Mr. Nerfect]

For the record, I don't give a shit about ratings, but Ryback hasn't exactly set the world on fire.

[#1-norm-fan]

*cough* Ratings have.

:roll:

Okay, slik.

[#1-norm-fan]

How much would Ryback have headlined the show on a card featuring John Cena or BROCK FUCKING LESNAR!?!

Well, he is about to headline a PPV on a card featuring John Cena...

[Mr. Nerfect]

So he must be the logical choice to face Brock Lesnar at WrestleMania. Yes, you are correct, sir.

[#1-norm-fan]

... You have to be trying to miss this many points.

The main point of saying Ryback is about to main event his second straight PPV was to combat this ridiculous "I don't like Ryback so Vince and the audience shouldn't either" attitude you seem to have. Then you tried to compare his main events with Daniel Bryan's "main events" which there is NO way you can possibly not see the glaring flaw in that one.

Now you're ignoring everything else and acting like I've said "Headlining a PPV with Cena is all it takes to make him a logical choice to face Lesnar at WrestleMania".

So I guess we're either back at square one or you need to re-read the last page or so to yourself until you understand what's being said.

[#1-norm-fan]

WWE has a need to build stars... They have worked on building Ryback as a cash cow for months now and it is blatantly obvious that they want him to be the next mega-star... They have pushed him to the main event and it's going well... putting him against the 2nd or 3rd biggest star in the company at WrestleMania in a match that either one losing would be a ridiculously huge deal... HOW IS THIS A BAD IDEA OTHER THAN "'cuz I don't like him!"?!?!?!?!?

[Lock Jaw]

This whole argument is pretty ridiculous right here.

[#1-norm-fan]

I honestly don't even know what's being argued anymore.

[Lock Jaw]

I don't know, but clearly they should bring back Bobby Lashley for a Lashley/Lesnar match. Forget Ryback.

[#1-norm-fan]

I don't know, but clearly they should bring back Bobby Lashley for a Lashley/Ryback match. Forget Lesnar.

I'm for it.

[Rock Bottom]

Ryback. Lot of confused Lesnar voters here.

[Jura]

Ryback is not going to be anything near as what Cena has become. They need to put their chips on more than just one person.

[Gertner]

For the record, I don't give a shit about ratings, but Ryback hasn't exactly set the world on fire.

When your champ is CM Punk, there's not exactly alot to work with there.

[#1-norm-fan]

Ryback is not going to be anything near as what Cena has become. They need to put their chips on more than just one person.

The fact that they've even put their chips on one person finally is progress enough.

Now, push Johnny Curtis to the moon and NOW you're making some serious strides...

[Mr. Nerfect]

Still don't see this "obviously he's the next mega-star" hype around Ryback. It seems like he was pushed into the main event to replace an injured John Cena, people were intrigued because it was something fresh, and now he's getting a chance to hang around there a bit longer.

Johnny Curtis would indeed be a better choice to face Lesnar at WrestleMania.

[#1-norm-fan]

No shit. That's like saying God himself would be a better choice to quarterback the New England Patriots than Tom Brady...

[drave]

I think the Lesnar/Ryback match would be Lesnar v Goldberg redux. No, not b/c of the similar looks, just the two BIG men, neither wanting to give an edge, and the match turn out shitty. Dunno how many times this needs to be said, but it would turn out to be quite shit, IMO... and I like both competitors.

[#1-norm-fan]

I think people are forgetting the fact that Goldberg was quite terrible and neither man seemed to give a fuck as they were both on their way out.

The entire feel and the effort put in would be completely different.

[#1-norm-fan]

I remember not caring for the Lesnar vs Goldberg match from the get-go because of the fact that the outcome was meaningless since they were both leaving and there would be no future implications and I didn't feel the "dream match" aspect that could redeem that meaninglessness.

[drave]

I think it will happen, for sure, especially before Lesnar's contract expires. I'm sure he was guaranteed at least 1 title shot, why not make it against the "unstoppable" Ryback?

Meh, if done right, it could be okay I suppose. I just have a bad taste left in my mouth after the aforementioned botchmania of a match. The entire match was a giant botch. Fuck, has there ever been another WM match where the LIVE crowd didn't care? If I recall, even the crowd was chanting "booooooorriiiinnnnnnnng" and the whole " na na na na, goodbye" bit.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Brock locks in the Kimura. End of story.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

No shit. That's like saying God himself would be a better choice to quarterback the New England Patriots than Tom Brady...

Tom Brady isn't God himself? :eek:

[Krimzon7]

Who would win in a clean match between Ryback and Lesnar?


If you ask me, neither...

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[The Jayman]

I voted for Christian, because Christian is always the right answer.

[Rock Bottom]

You guys are all fucking stupid and know jack shit about wrestling. Get used to Ryback.

[#1-norm-fan]

St. Jimmy?

[Rock Bottom]

I respect all of your opinions but feel that Ryback is the next big thing in the WWE on a fairly permanent basis*

[#1-norm-fan]

You should. Because he is.

[Rock Bottom]

I'm sorry. I just saw a debate about this topic and I snapped. Won't happen again.

Noid, I think you've just been brainwashed by the WWE's inability to launch a new main eventer properly. I guess we'll see!

[Heyman]

If they do it at Wrestlemania, I think the WWE needs to have Ryback go over cleanly since they are grooming him to be the next big star.

However - if Lesnar and HHH are facing off at Mania ( or even Lesnar/Taker) and the WWE has Ryback/Lesnar fight beforehand, then Lesnar should go over.

Personally, I'd do Lesnar/Ryback at Mania.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Lesnar vs. Ryback would be a good stare-down moment. But beyond that, it would suck donkey balls.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Real total waste of Lesnar, and it would be clear to people that they are trying to model Ryback on Lesnar, and people will rebel, because the dude is not Lesnar. Free up Big Show and have him put over Ryback at WrestleMania. Or put Ryback against a "thinking man," to play the Lex Luthor to his Superman. Ryback vs. Sandow or Ryback vs. Barrett could be the best thing for Ryback's long-term future.

[drave]

Doesnt seem like Barrett or Sandow are at "that level" to give Ryback the boost he needs right now. Obviously, all this could change come WM.

If I had to pick, Ryback should go over Lesnar. I don't get how he would be "modeled" after Lesnar. They have nothing in common other than being destructive big guys. If Lesnar remains on his "limited schedule" there is no reason he should go over, just like The Rock shouln't win the god damn title, but will because it is "good for business".

Honestly, fuck the rock, stop living in the past Dwayne! hehe

[drave]

Remember Goldberg/Lesnar? Yeah....

I'm sticking with this, tbh. But answered and voted just for the sake of entertaining the masses.

[drave]

Also, just read the rest of the string and realized I basically mimicked the sentiments of WWF Fan. Good call man :y: