In-ring, Antonio Cesaro is the best wrestler in WWE.

[Anybody Thrilla]

Yup. It's true. I'm drunk, and I really just wanted to say that. Who is better? Short answer, no one.

[Bad News Gertner]

Heath Slater.

Conversely, Cesaro is the worst on the mic.

[Juan]

I think Del Rio can give Ceasro a run for his money, as far as in ring work goes.

[Bad News Gertner]

In all honesty, Del Rio is definitely the best in the ring.

[MoFo]

Randy Orton by far.

[Tommy Gunn]

Del Rio can go, but he has the dullest promos, but you already knew that.
Cesaro is the most impressive new guy in the ring, Sandow the best on the mic, and Ryback the, er, one with the best push.

[mike adamle]

Honestly, I don't think he's the best, but I feel like Sheamus deserves a mention in this thread at the moment.

[The Jayman]

I voted for Christian, because Christian is always the right answer.

[Schlomey]

CM Punk or Chris Jericho if he was active.




I will agree that Heath Slater deserves an honorable mention and even a most improved in 2012 award. He made the jobbing to the stars gimmick work so well. 3MB went from a "wft" to a "hell yeah!" and his in ring work has increasingly got better. I saw him live, besides Dolph Ziggler he was the best seller on the show.

Oh yeah, and Dolph Ziggler deserves to be mentioned.

[Rammsteinmad]

Tyson Kidd.

I've said this before, but every week this guy is innovating and trying new things, and the things he already does, he does perfectly. Everything he does looks incredibly crisp and polished. The guy is incredible in the ring. The only thing holding him back, besides his size, is his god-awful mic skills.

Cesaro definitely belongs "up there" though, and is overall a lot more well-rounded than Kidd.

[Schlomey]

I support the support for Tyson Kidd

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Daniel Bryan.

[Triple Naitch]

Cesaro has been way better than I imagined he could be. He's right up there with Del Rio for me. I mean, how many guys can make Sin Cara work botch free?

[Pintint]

I don't know anything about technical wizardry, but from the standpoint of someone who doesn't know what "workrate" is, CM Punk is best in the ring atm. At least most entertaining.

Cesaro is awesome too, but I like Punk more.

[Pintint]

Really want to see Cesaro Vs Undertaker for some bizzare reason.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Dolph Ziggler

[Nicky Fives]

I love Cesaro, but no one is better in the ring than CM Punk.....

[DaveBrawl]

Sin Cara is the best

:foc:to anyone that feels differently

[Jordan]

Antonio is in the main event of Tribute to the Troops against John Cena... pretty bold move by WWE, awesome.

[DaveBrawl]

Sin Cara is the best

:foc:to anyone that feels differently
Anyone but Jayman that is.

That guy is alright.

[Pintint]

Which Sin Cara?

[DaveBrawl]

The one that wasn't vanquished by the other.

[Pintint]

http://www.wrestlingvalley.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/Hunico.jpeg

[DaveBrawl]

He wasn't man enough to wear the mantle.

[whiteyford]

Tyson Kidd.

[The Jayman]

Anyone but Jayman that is.

That guy is alright.

I love you too

[DAMN iNATOR]

Is Antonia Cesaro Antonio’s twin sister? :shifty:

[#1-norm-fan]

Randy Orton is better.

[Rock Bottom]

Del Rio, Ziggler, Orton, Punk, all good wrestlers.

[Droford]

Antonio is in the main event of Tribute to the Troops against John Cena... pretty bold move by WWE, awesome.

Makes sense since has the I hate the USA gimmick

[#1-norm-fan]

I really want Swagger to come back as an All American face and feud with Cesaro over the US title for a long period of time.

[mike adamle]

Yeah I just looked through the roster, I've gotta stick by my Sheamus statement. Look at the matches he's getting out of Big Show on PPV. And week after week you guys are all talking about the other person in a match they had on Raw against Sheamus. It's gotta say something about the fella

[Joesgonnakillyou]

Sheamus is probably my favourite at the moment. CM Punk and Bryan are obvious choices. Randy Orton can still go when he needs to. Rey Mysterio is consistently underrated in these discussions.

I'm surprised but not appalled by the amount of love Del Rio's getting, pretty dull outside the ring but great inside of it.

[Wake Up Call]

Bryan.

He has been the best all-round guy on the WWE roster for quite some time now.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Your next main eventer in the WWE is Antonio Cesaro.

[Pintint]

Your next main eventer in the WWE is Antonio Cesaro.

As in relegated to WWE Main Event on ION television?

[Bad News Gertner]

Your next main eventer in the WWE is Antonio Cesaro.

No. God no.

[Wehttam]

time to learn vanilla midget in 5 languages

[Schlomey]

Cesaro had his best match to date last night, me thinks.

[Emperor Smeat]

Would say Ziggler is better but mostly because of his selling. Cesaro is better when it comes to pulling off impressive moves like his uppercut or showing off his strength better than Ryback with the Neutralizer.

[Fignuts]

Daniel Bryan

[Tommy Gunn]

Cesaro has won me over, I didn't care for him at all when he debuted, but two weeks in a row he has been my mark out moment of Raw.

[Corporate CockSnogger]

Haven't really watched many of his matches, tend to zone out or do something else because he's a pretty boring character. But that gif someone posted in 100,000 replies of his catching til-a-whirl backbreaker on Kofi was pretty great. It looked completely flawless.

Credit to Kofi as well of course who's another I'm not really a fan of.

[Graveler]

Cesaro has won me over, I didn't care for him at all when he debuted, but two weeks in a row he has been my mark out moment of Raw.

[Nicky Fives]

Punk > Ziggler > Orton > Kidd > Bryan > Cesaro

"Sensational 6" IMO.....

[ooTin]

wrong... Ziggler. Period.

[Anybody Thrilla]

I like that there are so many people that are in this discussion. Solid in-ring talent in WWE right now.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Punk > Ziggler > Orton > Kidd > Bryan > Cesaro

"Sensational 6" IMO.....

Why have Blandy Boreton so high up there?

[Pintint]

Why have Blandy Boreton so high up there?

Blandy can put on a really good match.

[#1-norm-fan]

Blandy is the best in-ring storyteller on the main roster.

[mike adamle]

I love how much faster Randy's in ring work has become. He was sooooo boring and slow when he was feuding with Cena and HHH in 2009

[Rammsteinmad]

I like to think Christian brought it out of him in their feud last year. :D

[NoJabbaNoBogRoll]

Orton's matches are incredibly formulaic.

That's all I'm saying, because I don't want to be arguing against this sea of wrongness most of you are happily swimming in.

[Joesgonnakillyou]

Orton's not the most technical or spectacular guy in the ring, but as no 1 wwf fan said he's the best storyteller. He's reliable and works well with everyone. His matches with Mark Henry were absolutely brilliant.

Sheamus hasn't got enough love in this thread, he's really versatile.

[NoJabbaNoBogRoll]

Balancing a barely stunned opponent on the middle rope, by their feet, for sometimes up to ten seconds, is some pretty smooth storytelling.

I couldn't stay away.

[MoFo]

WWE matches are formulaic, period.

Guys hit their signature moves in the same order every match, more or less. See every Cena or Rey match this decade. Hasn't stopped those guys having some blinding matches, ie Jericho/Rey, Cena/Umaga, Orton/Christian.

[Afterlife]

The only story I've ever seen Orton tell is "How To Make Millions Being An Absolute Smoop".

[Afterlife]

And he tells it in every match in which he is terrible at professional wrestling...but I repeat myself.

[#1-norm-fan]

Balancing a barely stunned opponent on the middle rope, by their feet, for sometimes up to ten seconds, is some pretty smooth storytelling.


He has a signature move.

What awful storytelling.

[Afterlife]

He has a signature move that is so repugnantly executed that anyone from 5th grade on can see it doesn't make any sense and is 0% believable.

What awful storytelling.

I agree.

[#1-norm-fan]

Why because the guy doesn't move for like 10 seconds?

You mean like every top rope move ever?

[NoJabbaNoBogRoll]

He has a signature move, which he does very badly.

What awful storytelling.
Simpler.

[Corporate CockSnogger]

It's better since he began throwing his opponent out onto the apron himself, rather than just have them conveniantly find themselves in that position, which is something I still don't really like about the 619.

[NoJabbaNoBogRoll]

Why because the guy doesn't move for like 10 seconds?

You mean like every top rope move ever?
A guy lying in the centre of the ring wouldn't fall off his perch if he lifted his big toe.

[NoJabbaNoBogRoll]

While we're at it, how about the RKO being retarded?

When he puts somebody through a table with it, why is he awarded the win? He slams his own shoulders through the table, followed by, if we're very lucky, his opponent's stomach.

When he RKOs somebody onto steel steps, how does the move become more potent? His shoulders are the only part that hits the steel, and in actuality his opponent's head is travelling less distance when there's something to break their fall.

Also, he clotheslines like a little girl, and his Thesz press is more of a "how would like my big gay groinal region in your face?" thrust.

[Afterlife]

Why because the guy doesn't move for like 10 seconds?

You mean like every top rope move ever?

Why, no. I don't.

[#1-norm-fan]

lol. Both moves require you to believe that they're immobilized. There are about a million "unrealistic" wrestling moves that require you to just ignore the fact that it's silly. The Undertaker walks on the fucking rope with a fully conscious guy's arm in his hand and never just gets nudged enough to force him to lose his balance...

He must be one of the worst in-ring psychologists of all time.

[NoJabbaNoBogRoll]

A defence of "other moves are also somewhat retarded" doesn't cut it.

The way the 619 is set up is usually just as bad as the middle rope DDT. This just means both of them are bad.

[Afterlife]

That is not a defense.

[#1-norm-fan]

Okay...

You used it to knock the guy's in-ring storytelling.

Are you gonna knock everyone else's in-ring storytelling because of unrealistic moves?

[Afterlife]

The embarrassing moves? Of course.

[#1-norm-fan]

Like The Undertaker's tightrope walk.

[NoJabbaNoBogRoll]

I will happily knock John Cena for ignoring the effects of whatever moves his opponent has done, during the final stages of the match. I am fully aware the likes of Hogan also did this, but he was also horrible in the ring.

An example of somebody selling while also winning the match, would be Lesnar giving Angle the F5 on one leg. If Cena has ever done anything like this, I must've missed it.

I will knock Rey Mysterio matches, when it's impossible to tell who was the one doing the move, until the commentators call it.

[Afterlife]

Like The Undertaker's tightrope walk.

What makes you think I'm some defensive Undertaker fan? There's plenty about him I'd point out is illogical.

[#1-norm-fan]

You're off on a tangent now, Jabba.

I'm just talking about storytelling based on a signature move. You can't knock Orton's psychology because of one move you find unrealistic without knocking a shitload of guys who you'd probably agree are great.

[Afterlife]

...What the fuck are you talking about?

[#1-norm-fan]

What makes you think I'm some defensive Undertaker fan? There's plenty about him I'd point out is illogical.

I was just bringing it up because it was a point I made that got ignored. Taker is a guy who has an unrealistic signature move and you're asked to remember it's not real. It's not meant to be judged like a real fight.

[#1-norm-fan]

...What the fuck are you talking about?

Go up and read how it started. lol

I'll quote for you if you need...

[Team Sheep]

Loved Cesaro's match with Sheamus the other week. My two favourite guys to watch at the moment. 3 hour Raws started a bit dull but they've really been making the most of the time lately.

[NoJabbaNoBogRoll]

You're off on a tangent now, Jabba.
Are you gonna knock everyone else's in-ring storytelling because of unrealistic moves?
...

I'm just talking about storytelling based on a signature move. You can't knock Orton's psychology because of one move you find unrealistic without knocking a shitload of guys who you'd probably agree are great.
I gave you several moves that are either poorly executed, or make no logical sense, which make up roughly 75% of Randy's moveset. It's not just one move.

If "telling a story" is accomplished by cracking open the skulls of the audience and spooning out their suspension of disbelief, then I guess I'm just plain wrong.

[Afterlife]

You're off on a tangent now, Jabba.

I'm just talking about storytelling based on a signature move. You can't knock Orton's psychology because of one move you find unrealistic without knocking a shitload of guys who you'd probably agree are great.

First of all, we can't knock Orton's in-ring psychology because he doesn't have any. Secondly, Jab pointed out the complete nonsense of Orton's general move-set -- outside of the wrestling classic that is "walk around your downed opponent and step on his appendages", but that's just technical mastery.

And again, we've both said we'd knock anybody who clings to a blatantly unbelievable move, so what the hell is your position?

[#1-norm-fan]

Orton's not the most technical or spectacular guy in the ring, but as no 1 wwf fan said he's the best storyteller.

Balancing a barely stunned opponent on the middle rope, by their feet, for sometimes up to ten seconds, is some pretty smooth storytelling.

I couldn't stay away.


Jabba was using a move that he found particuarly unrealistic as a knock on Orton's storytelling ability. Therefore I'm making the point that you'd have to knock a lot of guys based on that.

Better?

[#1-norm-fan]

First of all, we can't knock Orton's in-ring psychology because he doesn't have any.

lol. Best argument I've heard all day.

[Afterlife]

I was just bringing it up because it was a point I made that got ignored. Taker is a guy who has an unrealistic signature move and you're asked to remember it's not real. It's not meant to be judged like a real fight.

...So?

[#1-norm-fan]

So you don't think Taker is a good storyteller.

The British Bulldog did a stalling suplex. Another move that requires the guy he's suplexing to keep perfect balance as just shifting his weight slightly would fuck it up. So he's a shitty storyteller.

Mysterio, we've discussed. Shitty storyteller.

Would you agree to all these?

[NoJabbaNoBogRoll]

Jabba was using a move that he found particuarly unrealistic as a knock on Orton's storytelling ability. Therefore I'm making the point that you'd have to knock a lot of guys based on that.

Better?
I'd be happy to knock more guys who have a bad move, or bad aspect of their in-ring style, but I wouldn't want to go on another completely unwarranted and unrequested tangent, would I?

[#1-norm-fan]

If you're not clinging to one move to knock a guy's body of work then I'M NOT DIRECTING IT TO YOU! I'm arguing Jabba's point. lol

If you ARE doing that, then that's a silly knock on a pro wrestler.

[Afterlife]

So you don't think Taker is a good storyteller.

The British Bulldog did a stalling suplex. Another move that requires the guy he's suplexing to keep perfect balance as just shifting his weight slightly would fuck it up. So he's a shitty storyteller.

Mysterio, we've discussed. Shitty storyteller.

Would you agree to all these.

I still don't get what point you're arguing that we'e not agreed to. I already said there are more things I'd hold against taker than the Old School thing. So...yeah, I'm sure there's better than him.

However, you're still acting like anything in Orton's arsenal isn't cringe-worthy outside of his backbreaker, and even that's had bad days. Orton's a bad storyteller because he's a bad professional wrestler.

[#1-norm-fan]

I'd be happy to knock more guys who have a bad move, or bad aspect of their in-ring style, but I wouldn't want to go on another completely unwarranted and unrequested tangent, would I?

I'm simply saying that one move is no different than moves that guys whose ability I'm sure you respect perform. Like I said, knocking a pro wrestler's ability for it is silly.

[NoJabbaNoBogRoll]

I dunno, Orton was pretty good at punching the mat... prior to his shoulder injuries. Now that just looks embarrassing.

[#1-norm-fan]

However, you're still acting like anything in Orton's arsenal isn't cringe-worthy outside of his backbreaker, and even that's had bad days. Orton's a bad storyteller because he's a bad professional wrestler.

You find the RKO cringe-worthy??

[Afterlife]

You find the RKO cringe-worthy??

Yip.

[NoJabbaNoBogRoll]

I'm simply saying that one move is no different than moves that guys whose ability I'm sure you respect perform. Like I said, knocking a pro wrestler's ability for it is silly.
Which is why I have way more problems with Orton than just his middle rope DDT, before claiming he's an awful wrestler.

[#1-norm-fan]

I dunno, Orton was pretty good at punching the mat... prior to his shoulder injuries. Now that just looks embarrassing.


Yeah I think HBK was better at stomping the mat before SCM when he was younger too. Embarrassing. Grown man stomping the mat. That hack.

[Afterlife]

I missed the show where HBK blew out his hip while hyping his superkick.

[#1-norm-fan]

The reason he's a fucking awesome storyteller is because he does shit for a reason. His Mark Henry matches were a good example. They weren't the typical WWE paint-by-numbers matches everyone was doing. Especially the Hell in a Cell match. It made Henry look like a million bucks. Orton played the "mega-face" who just gave everything he had but couldn't quite overcome the monster in the end and the entire match built up to that finish. He seems to understand the fact that a wresting match isn't just a bunch of meaningless shit thrown together for 15 minutes before a minute long finishing sequence.

[NoJabbaNoBogRoll]

I don't recall ever thinking "HBK is holding back at stomping the floor, because he's scared to injure himself, to the extent that it looks silly and pointless".

[Afterlife]

Yeah. Orton really gets pro wrestling.

[NoJabbaNoBogRoll]

Orton played the "mega-face" who just gave everything he had but couldn't quite overcome the monster in the end
So Orton's stellar storytelling ability is really just the way he's booked?

[#1-norm-fan]

There's like... a paragraph there. You should read it.

[#1-norm-fan]

It talks about how he played the role. Kind of the important part.

[#1-norm-fan]

Yeah. Orton really gets pro wrestling.

I'm glad we could finally come to this agreement.

[Afterlife]

I was being sarcastic. Probably should have told you.

[#1-norm-fan]

The irony in that post is fucking amazing. lol

[NoJabbaNoBogRoll]

There's like... a paragraph there. You should read it.
I'll remember to quote the entire post next time, so it doesn't appear that I'm skimming you.

Any wrestler can tell a story they're handed, via booking. If someone took a dump in Orton's bag, live on Raw, I expect even he could pull off "wrestling angry" on Smackdown. That doesn't make him a good storyteller.

He doesn't make me believe in any of his moves, or where/when/why/how he executes them. I don't feel pulled into the show, when I'm watching Randy Orton "wrestle".

[#1-norm-fan]

Not any wrestler can tell a story they're handed via booking. If that's the case, there's no difference between The Great Khali and Ric Flair outside of how they're booked. There's a typical "we've got 15 minutes to waste before we 'go home'" match and then there's actually doing everything for a reason that helps lead to a climax.

[NoJabbaNoBogRoll]

There's like... kind of three paragraphs there. You should read them.

[Afterlife]

:lol:

[#1-norm-fan]

There's like... kind of three paragraphs there. You should read them.

lol... You want me to reply to the rest of that deep and very precise argument you laid out? Alright, one second...

[#1-norm-fan]

He doesn't make me believe in any of his moves, or where/when/why/how he executes them. I don't feel pulled into the show, when I'm watching Randy Orton "wrestle".

Welp... I do. And a lot of other people do. Including wrestlers who list Orton as one of if not the best psychologist.

So uh... I find your opinion to be shit.

lol. Seriously don't know what other response you want from a way you do or don't feel...

[NoJabbaNoBogRoll]

Popular opinion happens to be wrong, in this instance. It's not that uncommon.

[Anybody Thrilla]

You know whose matches make sense?

Antonio Cesaro

[DaveBrawl]

I was gonna guess Sin Cara, but I guess Cesaro works too.

[NoJabbaNoBogRoll]

Cesaro seems pretty good in the ring, but I haven't seen enough to say he's the best just yet.

I can say that they need to pick a good character for him, and stick with it, instead of experimenting with different things while he's a champion. Isn't that what developmental is supposed to be for?

No sooner did they change his music to a suitable lady's man theme, did he immediately ditch the woman on his arm. I'm glad they're toning down the five languages thing, though.

Also, his finisher is seemingly the least impressive move that he does. The knee-tralizer, as I like to call it, seems to only attack the most padded part of his opponent's body. He has plenty of other impressive moves I'd rather see as his finisher.

[#1-norm-fan]

Popular opinion happens to be wrong, in this instance.

Nuh uh

[Saving Grace]

Cesaro may not be the best in ring performer yet but his workrate far surpasses any that Randy Orton has had in his career except when transitioning from heel/face for the first time. By far Orton was at his best then for me. Besides ADR and CM Punk being top workrates and best in the ring. Cesaro and Daniel Bryan are nipping close behind on their heels.

[Anybody Thrilla]

Cesaro's theme is pretty boss, too. I don't understand any of it, but it's got a nice feel to it. I'm pretty sure they used a sample from Dean Malenko's 007 theme in it too, which is bonus points in my book.

[Saving Grace]

http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/slides/photos/002/541/683/malenko_display_image.jpg?1346462910

[Anybody Thrilla]

Yeah, but listen:

<iframe width="420" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/vmcFZfl8BTI" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

[Pintint]

lol it says "arousing" in his tron.

http://www.accelerator3359.com/Wrestling/pictures/malenko3.jpg

[Saving Grace]

Cesaro's theme is pretty boss. And i think the lyrics are in Czech

[Mr. Nerfect]

I really want Swagger to come back as an All American face and feud with Cesaro over the US title for a long period of time.

This would be absolutely awesome, and I actually think the WWE will do this. Here is my dream plan for Antonio Cesaro, though:

Royal Rumble: Cesaro enters the Royal Rumble as US Champion and has some pretty entertaining spots, and perhaps even makes the final four.

TV: Cesaro continues to brag about Americans being unable to defeat him, perhaps even squashes "Hacksaw" Jim Duggan, Zack Ryder and some other Americans. Jack Swagger returns as a ragin' American hero.

Elimination Chamber: Cesaro loses the US Title to Swagger in a hopefully awesome match.

TV: Swagger is ready for Cesaro to use his rematch, but Cesaro declines, because he is not "wasting his time" with Swagger. Wade Barrett does, however, take issue with Swagger being such a proud American. Cesaro adopts Kassius Ohno as his tag team partner, with much being made of Ohno's status as an American, but it never being addressed by Cesaro & Ohno (heels can be hypocrites).

WrestleMania: Swagger defeats Barrett to retain the United States Championship and keep a potential WrestleMania streak going while Cesaro & Ohno lose to Kane & Daniel Bryan in the opening match.

Post-Mania: Kassius Ohno helps Cesaro win back the US Title when Cesaro does decide to use his rematch, and Swagger goes and finds himself another pro-American tag team partner to feud with Cesaro & Ohno for Extreme Rules (which would go back to being "Backlash" in my dream world). Perhaps this could even be the debut of "The USA Guy" Derrick Bateman?

[Mr. Nerfect]

Also, Cesaro has been fucking amazing lately. His matches with Sheamus, beating Kofi Kingston twice (and that fucking backbreaker!). He actually got the countout win against Sheamus on SmackDown this week. If he keeps going this way, he's going to create a lot of great memories for us.

It's just a shame that your average fan seems to really not give a crap about him.

[Afterlife]

If there was any reason to give a crap, that would be different.

Also, I still love you, Noid. I've missed you a great deal.

[Anybody Thrilla]

Afterlife is kinda right. I'm a mark for Cesaro's ring work, but I'd really love to see him involved in something truly meaningful (in terms of the WWE universe).

[Rammsteinmad]

Cesaro will not mount to anything important until he gets kneepads.

Right now he's the same as Cody Rhodes a few years back. I love everything the guy does, and wouldn't love to see him achieve loads of success, but I cannot stand the sight of bare knees in wrestling.

Just looks weird.

[Anybody Thrilla]

He has thigh wraps. Close enough.

[NoJabbaNoBogRoll]

So does Colonel Sanders, but you don't see him in a wrestling ring.

[Anybody Thrilla]

ORLY????

http://www.onlineworldofwrestling.com/pictures/s/steveaustin2/09.jpg

[Mr. Nerfect]

If there was any reason to give a crap, that would be different.

Also, I still love you, Noid. I've missed you a great deal.

And I still love you, Afterlife. :kiss:

Plus, I agree. The anti-American thing isn't really working in 2012. I've been enjoying Cesaro more and more on the mic, though, since it seems he's moving away from "I'm better because you're American and I'm Swiss" to "I'm better because I work harder than your lazy culture allows".

I'd still love to see segments where Cesaro goes to the cinema or something, and he talks about the diet of the American movie-goer with their popcorn and large sodas. He can also talk about their movie choices and how they constantly fund the directorial careers of your Michael Bay's and such and crappy American blockbusters. Cesaro could even beat-up Spiderman impersonators and such and claim that he just Neutralized the real Spiderman because he's a real life role model and superhero.

His ring work has been fantastic. Would love to see him put R-Truth on the shelf at TLC or something, though. Give Truth a few weeks off to rest and such, and give Cesaro a mean streak that people can boo.

[Wishbone]

Cesaro will not mount to anything important until he gets kneepads.

Right now he's the same as Cody Rhodes a few years back. I love everything the guy does, and wouldn't love to see him achieve loads of success, but I cannot stand the sight of bare knees in wrestling.

Just looks weird.

THIS! All of this! A wrestler without kneepads is like a basketball player without chocolate skin. It just don't look right.

[usheer]

I don't know anything about technical wizardry, but from the standpoint of someone who doesn't know what "workrate" is, CM Punk is best in the ring atm. At least most entertaining.Des Moines Wrestling (http://eliteedgegym.com/mma)