NFL 2013 Off-Season Thread

[#1-norm-fan]

Hmm. Not sure how I feel about that pick.

[DaveBrawl]

Still hate Merril Hoge.

[ClockShot]

Kinda like the "legends" trash talking.

[Krimzon7]

WE GOT GIO BERNARD!!!!!



WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!

[Evil Vito]

If we're going by what "some say", we can go with NFL.com analysts as opposed to Scouts Inc...

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2013/tracker/by-round#dt-by-round-input:1/dt-tabs:dt-by-round

Frederick is graded a 78.7. Even higher than Pugh who is graded 73.0.

<font color=goldenrod>Too bad NFL.com writers are notoriously misinformed. Scouts evaluates players and future draft classes all year.

*pelvic thrust*</font>

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Dunno about this second round pick tho. They have 6 DTs already.</font>

[Ermaximus]

LOL Arrington. "Boo you."

[Krimzon7]

Ugh...HTTDEEZNUTS.

[Ermaximus]

Fans booing the shit out of anyone Patriot related.

[DaveBrawl]

Thought Lavar said the Redskins drafted David Anderson...then I realized I have no discernible talent.:'(

[Emperor Smeat]

Fans booing the shit out of anyone Patriot related.

Yeup its part of draft tradition now considering its in New York and Jets fans tend to be the largest group there.

Yesterday was the first time in years something Pats related wasn't booed.

[Ermaximus]

Lol @ the AFC East starting QB line-up. Brady, Tannehill, Smith, Manuel.

[Ermaximus]

Bess was traded to the Browns today? Hmmm.

Edit: The Jets have 5 QB's. What in the fuck?

[Droford]

Really like the ravens pick of arthur brown. Had 100 tackles both years at k state. Same size as Navarro bowman. Some people had him possibly going first round but not doing the combine hurt him.

[ClockShot]

Whoa. My Broncos take Montee Ball.

I guess we're cutting Knowshon loose.

Had a soft spot for Lattimore.

[Ermaximus]

Denver just got a steal there. Pretty sure Skippord might wet himself when he sees that pick.

Montee Ball buddy!

[Moonax]

Jets vs Cowboys vs Redskins vs Raiders for who can produce the most shitty bizarre draft strategy out there.

The Raiders and Redskins are the historical favourites but the Cowboys and Jets are making a big push the last couple of years.

Everytime the Jets appear I hear http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_B0CyOAO8y0 playing in my mind.

[Moonax]

I'd like the Ravens' pick to declare 'I am the God of hellfire'

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=en1uwIzI3SE

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Cannot believe the Pack still got Lacy. They are right there with the Niners as the best team in the NFC.</font>

[Moonax]

<font color=goldenrod>Cannot believe the Pack still got Lacy. They are right there with the Niners as the best team in the NFC.</font>

Disagree slightly - the Pack have huge O-line problems ie 92 sacks in the last two years - 51 last year and 41 the year before and in a division where you are playing the Lions and the Vikings (a couple of the better pass rushes) maybe the O-line should have been a bigger concern.

Although as a Vikings fan I am more than happy for them to take picks like this.

[Kris P Lettus]

DICK SHAFTWRATH

[CSL]

Honey Badger off to Arizona

[Kris P Lettus]

bucs getting a qb

[Kris P Lettus]

Steve Gleason :wavesad: :love:

[Kris P Lettus]

http://www.athleticcapital.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/steve-gleason-1.jpg

[Crimson]

Cowboys are having the most shittiest draft of any team. Apparently we don't need a safety , or a backup running back, or a defensive tackle. I give them an F

[CSL]

damnnnn Gleason and Steven Hawking sound exactly the same yet one is British and one's American

[#1-norm-fan]

WR wasn't really a need but Terrance Williams is a great fucking pick at this point.

[Kris P Lettus]

so now we have two developmental "raw", "atheletic" left tackles on our roster

gr8

(charles brown)

[#1-norm-fan]

Aaaaaand there's the safety.

[CSL]

Jets traded for Chris Ivory

[Kris P Lettus]

amyone have news about this saints trade

i know we got dt john jenkins from uga

what did we give up for him??

Is he a pass rusher??

[Kris P Lettus]

Jets traded for Chris Ivory

fuck

:(

[Emperor Smeat]

Jets traded for Chris Ivory

Saints got a 4th round pick for this year's draft in return

[Kris P Lettus]

Yeah but how did we get NT Jones from UGA after the developmental LT from AK Pine Bluff who was our 3rd round pick??

[Emperor Smeat]

They gave that 4th round pick and another to Miami in return for Miami's 3rd round pick

New Orleans traded Chris Ivory to the New York Jets for the No. 106 overall pick and then turned around, dishing the No. 106 and 109 pick to Miami for the No. 82 overall pick.

http://www.wwltv.com/sports/Saints-trade-up-grab-beefy-DT-John-Jenkins--204952461.html

[Kris P Lettus]

gay

[Kris P Lettus]

I knew you would be the one to answer me, btw..

:love:

[owenbrown]

Tennessee's draft picks so far.

Rd 1 - #10(10) Chance Warmack (OG) Alabama
Rd 2 - #2(34) Justin Hunter (WR) Tennessee
Rd 3 - #8(70) Blidi Wreh-Wilson (CB) UConn
Rd 3 - #35(97) Zaviar Gooden (OLB) Missouri

hmm

[Krimzon7]

We get the most talented freak for a tight end.

We get GIO FUCKING BERNARD at Running Back (a very VERY Crucial need).

We get some versatile D lineman named 'The Eastern Block'

and we get Shawn Williams, one of the biggest playmakers for UGA last year.

We also re-sign Andre Smith which solidifies our Right Tackle.

The Natti is solidly built together and is ready to charge right through Shittsburgh and sorry assed Baltimore.

[Skippord]

Kayvoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooon

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Eagles trade up to the top spot in the 4th round and take Matt Barkley.</font>

[Next Big Thing]

I know the NFL is trying to change the game and make it safer (i.e., decrease the potential for future lawsuits), but "Heads Up Football" sounds dumb as hell.

[Next Big Thing]

Nassib has to be sick right now. To go from a projected 1st or 2nd round pick at worst to the 4th or 5th round must hurt.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Giants take Ryan Nassib. WOW.</font>

[Next Big Thing]

I don't get that pick for them. Do they need a third stringer?

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>I guess so. Coughlin usually only carries 2 QBs on the roster and I'd think he'd want a veteran (Carr) in case Eli goes down. Giants have taken mid-round QBs before and cut them...but since they traded up to get Nassib I guess he'll make the team.

Unless they think they can immediately flip him to another team for more picks.</font>

[Moonax]

<font color=goldenrod>Eagles trade up to the top spot in the 4th round and take Matt Barkley.</font>

An wasted pick when you consider that they have Vick and Foles ahead of him and Foles is supposed to be the QB of the future.

[Next Big Thing]

I don't think Vick is long term and Foles wasn't Kelly's pick so he might be too sweet on him.

[Moonax]

<font color=goldenrod>I guess so. Coughlin usually only carries 2 QBs on the roster and I'd think he'd want a veteran (Carr) in case Eli goes down. Giants have taken mid-round QBs before and cut them...but since they traded up to get Nassib I guess he'll make the team.

Unless they think they can immediately flip him to another team for more picks.</font>

Eli is 32 and costs a lot. You can give Nassib a couple of years on the bench, move up from 3rd string to back up next year (Carr is 33).

He's in a better position to succeed than say Geno Smith

[Moonax]

I don't think Vick is long term and Foles wasn't Kelly's pick so he might be too sweet on him.

All makes sense. Although it just makes the Eagles even more of a circus than before.

[Evil Vito]

Eli is 32 and costs a lot. You can give Nassib a couple of years on the bench, move up from 3rd string to back up next year (Carr is 33).

He's in a better position to succeed than say Geno Smith

<font color=goldenrod>Barring a horrendous pre-season, I think Nassib will wind up being the backup QB outright. Coughlin does normally want a veteran backup, but he always says roster spots are at a premium and he hasn't carried a 3rd string QB on the roster in the past 5 seasons or so.

Actually, most teams with non injury prone, franchise QBs only keep 2 QBs on the roster at this point. I believe the thinking is the dropoff from starter to backup is going to be so massive that you're toast if your starter goes down no matter what. So you may as well keep a development project as the backup.</font>

[Moonax]

Nassib is certainly not the kind of player you can sneak onto the practice squad. Plus if Carr is cut I am not sure that he will be in huge demand, so if Eli were to go down he could probably be resigned off the street.

[CSL]

Marcus Lattimore - San Fran

[Next Big Thing]

49ers get Lattimore. Happy for him.

[CSL]

Denard Robinson - JAX

[Droford]

The Steelers taking landry Jones is interesting..I imagine he's the backup

[Next Big Thing]

Is the NFL relatively popular in England/UK/WhatevertheFuckYouCallYourselves? How did you get into it CSL? Just curious.

[Krimzon7]

Is the NFL relatively popular in England/UK/WhatevertheFuckYouCallYourselves? How did you get into it CSL? Just curious.

Great question. Would like to know as well.

Also very happy with the way the Bengals are drafting. Lots of good quality talent.

[CSL]

Is the NFL relatively popular in England/UK/WhatevertheFuckYouCallYourselves? How did you get into it CSL? Just curious.

it's growing in popularity, quite a few people pay attention to the Super Bowl nowadays but most don't really have a clue what's going on, nobody really cares about the draft or the regular season etc. For me personally some of my earliest memories are of NFL related things, my Dad played tight end for a team over here during the 80's Channel 4 popularity boom and I was some kind of unofficial mascot running around like a dickhead 3-4 year old with a helmet on, remember the coach journeys, remember having a Dan Marino jersey, became a Giants fan pretty much strictly because of Jason Sehorn, had my NFL sticker book open on the Houston Oilers page the moment I was told my Dad was dead blah blah blah. Knew "football" existed before "soccer" really. As I grew up I had Madden every year, I'd read books from the library etc etc. That's the only reason I know more about the history of the game, "memorable moments"/stories, players, stats etc than the average British person or maybe even "average general fan" should.

[Skippord]

a dude at his draft party made the greatest face I've ever seen when Denard Robinson got picked

[Emperor Smeat]

http://cdn1.sbnation.com/imported_assets/1578057/a4q5kuu.gif

Was it that?

[Heisenberg]

That is awesome

[Skippord]

Yep, rewound and watched it like 3 times

[Krimzon7]

It's called a photobomb. all the kids are doing it.



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[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Cooper Taylor is 6'4", 228. Bigass defensive back right there.</font>

[Skippord]

Quanterus Smith is a cool name #analysis

[DaveWadding]

HONEY BADGER DON'T CARE

[Moonax]

it's growing in popularity, quite a few people pay attention to the Super Bowl nowadays but most don't really have a clue what's going on, nobody really cares about the draft or the regular season etc. For me personally some of my earliest memories are of NFL related things, my Dad played tight end for a team over here during the 80's Channel 4 popularity boom and I was some kind of unofficial mascot running around like a dickhead 3-4 year old with a helmet on, remember the coach journeys, remember having a Dan Marino jersey, became a Giants fan pretty much strictly because of Jason Sehorn, had my NFL sticker book open on the Houston Oilers page the moment I was told my Dad was dead blah blah blah. Knew "football" existed before "soccer" really. As I grew up I had Madden every year, I'd read books from the library etc etc. That's the only reason I know more about the history of the game, "memorable moments"/stories, players, stats etc than the average British person or maybe even "average general fan" should.

It goes in waves - very popular in the mid-1980s when it was on C4, there were quite a few magazines devoted to it. Went through a bit of a decline when Sky got their hands on it and unless you had Sky sports you couldn't watch it.

There was a drop in interest after Sky got hold of the sport and no one could see it and the real internet boom in the early 2000s, once you could start to get the news again with relative ease the sport has started to grow again.

In the 1980s ITV even showed college games on their through the night coverage - so you could video that if you were really hardcore.

The peak was really 91 when the WLAF took place and the London Monarchs did really well.

As for me, I caught a pre-season game in about 86 when in the US between an orange team and a purple team and decided to support the purple team. Been a Vikings fan ever since.

[Droford]

you should switch allegiences to a purple team that actually wins

[Moonax]

No. Because when the Vikings do win it will be the sweetest sensation ever.

[Droford]

Good luck with that. They're the only team thats made it to a super bowl (not once, not twice..four times) and never held the lead at some point during each of the games.

[Moonax]

Without being rude. I am not some glib fanboy who jumps on a bandwagon when a team is winning.

I've been supporting them for 27 years so I am well aware of the teams history.

[Heisenberg]

I cheered for the Vikings briefly when Favre went over there as heel Favre.

I was disgusted with a lot of the Packer fan base turning on him after all he did for us

[CSL]

Patriots traded for LeGarrette Blount for basically nothing. Watch him go to town next season

[Moonax]

Never could bring myself to cheer for Favre. It always felt dirty.

Shame she isn't around anymore but Seyda was always a Packers fan back in the day, as was her brother.

[Next Big Thing]

Would you rather be "Mr. Irrelevant" or go undrafted and take your chances as an undrafted FA?

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Undrafted is probably preferable at that point. With 90 man pre-season rosters, usually any undrafted rookie worth a shit can find their way into a camp. In some cases guys who barely miss the draft cut have multiple teams calling them immediately to offer them deals, so you can pick the team where you figure to have the best chance of making the Opening Day 53.</font>

[Emperor Smeat]

Patriots traded for LeGarrette Blount for basically nothing. Watch him go to town next season

Probably gets used just for 3rd down or goal line situations since he's their heaviest RB out of the core they have right now. Ridley and Vereen are still the primary duo for games.

[Moonax]

I think it depends on where you end up.

That said, quite a few picks have made decent careers. It's not like the old days when there were 12 rounds and someone picked would be a real training camp body.

Plus any Mr Irrelevant can't beat the 1991 selection of Larry Wanke, unless there is a Dave Cockstroker out there waiting to be picked.

[Next Big Thing]

Bruce Arians is such a hipster. I hope he gets to rock the kangol on the sidelines.

[DaveBrawl]

As for me, I caught a pre-season game in about 86 when in the US between an orange team and a purple team and decided to support the purple team. Been a Vikings fan ever since.
After looking it up that orange team is the best team in the world/Denver Broncos.

Stupid Giants ruining the Super Bowl that year by being in the way.

[McLegend]

I like the Barkley pick.

I think Vick is done, and I'm not really sold on Foles. He played ok this year.

I think Barkley is a good move.

[Droford]

After looking it up that orange team is the best team in the world/Denver Broncos.

Stupid Giants ruining the Super Bowl that year by being in the way.

Here I was thinking the orange team was the creamsicle Buccaneers

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Giants take UMass RB Michael Cox with the second to last pick in the draft. Worst spot to be picked. Misses the chance to pick his own situation in free agency, and misses a free trip to Newport Beach as Mr. Irrelevant.</font>

[Moonax]

It was the Broncos.

Aug. 16 53,193 L 29-27 Minnesota Vikings Metrodome Saturday night

http://www.denverbroncos.com/team/tradition/moments-in-history/results-1986.html

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Loads of undrafted free agents already announcing where they've signed. Damn.</font>

[Moonax]

So who are the best of the UDFAs?

Da'Rick Rogers went undrafted, as did Bray,

[CSL]

<font color=goldenrod>Loads of undrafted free agents already announcing where they've signed. Damn.</font>

yah, they start getting calls around the 5th/6th rounds from teams trying to lock them down if they don't get drafted. Was "documented" pretty heavily with Aaron Morgan and Alfonso Smith in Late Rounders, there are a couple of other draft based documentaries from the last couple of years as well

[The Condor]

I cheered for the Vikings briefly when Favre went over there as heel Favre.

I was disgusted with a lot of the Packer fan base turning on him after all he did for us

I loved him in all forms, especially Brett the Jet. Personally, football seems to have lost something without him, I don't know what though. He was fun and crazy and the most exciting guy to watch this side of Jake Plummer. Seems like all players take themselves way too seriously now, or the coverage is super serious. Only a few years but whatever

[CSL]

was gutted when Favre threw the INT against the Saints in that NFC Championship game, gotta say

[The Condor]

Yeah, it hurt. Dude was a god damn Titan in sports. Saints fans probably wouldn't that've minded losing just to see him get one more shot ;)

[Next Big Thing]

So who are the best of the UDFAs?

Da'Rick Rogers went undrafted, as did Bray,

I watched the Bray QB Camp with Gruden. I would not want that guy on my team. He seemed clueless at times just going over the tape of his own games.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Da'Rick Rogers to the Bills</font>

[Next Big Thing]

Saints pick up Ryan Griffin. Sucks that he went to the 'Aints, but happy for my Tulane brethren.

Like Sean Renfree as a back up to Matty Ice.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Lawrence Okoye signs with the 49ers.

Unless the Niners were his only offer I dunno why any undrafted free agent would want to sign there. They're so stacked you can basically only hope for the practice squad.</font>

[CSL]

he's the guy from over here that's never played a down of football in his life, was a finalist in the discus at the Olympics last year. Practice squad was his absolute best hope no matter where he signed, big project player

[Krimzon7]

Never knew about these draft documentaries...will definitely check them out. also pumped like a motherfucker for the start of OTA's

[CSL]

yah they're pretty good for the most part, I mean they're not Hard Knocks but they're definitely interesting. Two Days in April and Late Rounders are the best ones, the 30 for 30 one with Jacquain Williams and 4th and Goal aren't bad either.

[screech]

you should switch allegiences to a purple team that actually wins

Switch teams? What kind of fan are you?

[Kris P Lettus]

Would you rather be "Mr. Irrelevant" or go undrafted and take your chances as an undrafted FA?

Golic was saying it's better to go undrafted and be a "priority free agant" than to go super later..

DSoesn't matter though cause guys can have success either way..

e.g. Marques Colston, super late draft pick, and Pierre Thomas, undrafted free agent

[Moonax]

Switch teams? What kind of fan are you?

Totally. Only a complete cunt switches to a team because they win.

I LOL at all those people who are now Pats fans etc - where were you when you were 1-15? Or Packer fans before Favre, or Saints* fans. Or where did all those 'life long' Rams fans go when the Rams started to suck? Or Cowboy and Redskins fans (big in the 1980s and 1990s).

You have your team and you stick with them through thick and thin. Fans of teams like the Browns, the Vikings, the Bills all have their stories of heartbreak - the Fumble, Darrin Nelson/Gary Anderson/cheating Saints*, Scott Norwood.

[James Steele]

I'm still a fan of the Cowboys, I just have a cake on custom order ready to be made as soon as Jerry Jones dies.

[James Steele]

When Jerry Jones dies (or cuts Romo), Texas will look like the UK after Thatcher died.

[Next Big Thing]

Nothing says America's Team like taking a 3rd round center with the 31st pick...

I kid. The NFL would be that much better if the Cowboys were the juggernauts of old. When I think dynasty Aikman, Smith, Irvin and Deion pop into my head.

[DaveWadding]

Tavon Ossman

[Moonax]

Nothing says America's Team like taking a 3rd round center with the 31st pick...

I kid. The NFL would be that much better if the Cowboys were the juggernauts of old. When I think dynasty Aikman, Smith, Irvin and Deion pop into my head.

But how many of those fans from that era were around in the dog-days of the Landry era?

The NFL seems to get on fine without the Cowboys, Raiders etc being any good. The media always find a way to hype things to the sky anyway.

[Droford]

Switch teams? What kind of fan are you?

I switched teams in 1996. I used to be a redskins fan. I decided I couldn't be a fan of two teams.

[Krimzon7]

Droford is riding the high of his team winning the title. He deserves to be a dick until his shitty team kicks off the season of disappointment.

[Moonax]

It's highly appropriate that a Ravens fan should be a bandwagon jumper with no sense of loyalty.

[Next Big Thing]

But how many of those fans from that era were around in the dog-days of the Landry era?

The NFL seems to get on fine without the Cowboys, Raiders etc being any good. The media always find a way to hype things to the sky anyway.

I agree 100% that the NFL doesn't need either of those teams to be good. It was really just nostalgia for me since my first real memory as an NFL fan was at 8 years old driving to downtown Atlanta with my family and seeing all the hype surrounding that Cowboys/ Bills Superbowl.

However, the crowd reactions those two teams drew when it was their turn to pick still shows they resonate, whether you love them or love to hate them and teams like that are always good for the league.

[Droford]

Droford is riding the high of his team winning the title. He deserves to be a dick until his shitty team kicks off the season of disappointment.
When they win the Super Bowl this season, it'll be even better than last year. Everyone's written them off already, but I feel the defense will be much better and the offense without Cam Cameron for the full season can be as good as it was down the stretch last year without him as well even without Boldin.

It's highly appropriate that a Ravens fan should be a bandwagon jumper with no sense of loyalty.

More of a real homer since Baltimore is closer to me than Washington though now the Redskins play in MD too and its about the same distance to Fed Ex Field as it is to M&T.

[owenbrown]

oh, that's cute. Dro thinks the Ravens will repeat :lol:

[owenbrown]

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[ClockShot]

I wonder if they got pre-orders ready for Montee Ball Broncos jerseys yet?

Worse case scenario: I can take my old Tatum Bell jersey, take out the E and put in an A and probably won't make a difference.

[Ermaximus]

Jags signed Aaron Rodgers kid brother. I like it!

[screech]

It's highly appropriate that a Ravens fan should be a bandwagon jumper with no sense of loyalty.

:(

[CSL]

lol so 24 hours ago Chad Johnson met some old homeless guy and now basically appears to have adopted him https://twitter.com/ochocinco

[Skippord]

seems about right

[Droford]

Chad Johnson for NFL's award of the year for doing stuff for the community..

oh wait..

[Ermaximus]

Porkchop.

[Krimzon7]

Hate Chad Johnson, as an ex Cincy Bengal.

LOve Chad Johnson as a twitter addicted hobo adopting fool.

[Next Big Thing]

I smell a reality show for Chad & Porkchop. Part Flava of Love/ part Rob & Big.

[Moonax]

I agree 100% that the NFL doesn't need either of those teams to be good. It was really just nostalgia for me since my first real memory as an NFL fan was at 8 years old driving to downtown Atlanta with my family and seeing all the hype surrounding that Cowboys/ Bills Superbowl.

However, the crowd reactions those two teams drew when it was their turn to pick still shows they resonate, whether you love them or love to hate them and teams like that are always good for the league.

Ironically, who'd want to see the Bills - Cowboys these days?

Here's the thing - 20 years ago - a Pats -Packers game would be the last game anyone would want to watch. These days it'd be the most hyped game of the season (or near enough).

These days - no one would be rushing home to watch the Raiders take on Miami. Go back to the 1970s or 1980s and it would be one of the biggest games of the season.

NFC East teams will always get more media coverage than others because of the East coast bias of the media. So no matter how bad the Giants, Cowboys, Skins or Eagles are, there will always be a ton of media hype about those games. (Far more than say a Lions - Bears game, or a Chargers - Chiefs game). 3-4 Eagles vs 3-4 Cowboys will get more attention than say 6-1 Chiefs taking on 5-2 Chargers.

The media will always find hype to generate - either some meaningless record, or some players jock that they want to spend the season sniffing.

[Innovator]

Jets finally release Tebow

source: everywhere

[The Condor]

Jets didn't know what they had... Dude could have stayed as team chaplain

[Frank Drebin]

Just love how the Broncos look in all of this. Trade the guy when his value couldn't have been higher despite all the meatballs clamoring to keep him due to "divine intervention." Denver might be my favorite football team outside of Chicago just for this.

[The Condor]

Elway is actually a cold-blooded business guy who just wants to win. Still a little surprised he has yet to execute Rahim Moore for his playoff ending botch, but it is what it is

[Frank Drebin]

Could say the same about Bon Jovi 'cept hes got a trophy :cool:

http://ts3.mm.bing.net/th?id=H.4562738012488638&pid=15.1

[SammyG]

Rams draft. Better than your team's draft.

[Boomer]

I feel bad for Tim Tebow. While I'm sure he brought some of this on himself by how he chooses to portray himself to the media, I think he deserves better. He's not a remarkably great football player, but I still had fun watching him in the pros.

[James Steele]

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[Emperor Smeat]

Mostly brought it on himself when he picked the Jets for the extra money, being in a big market city, and knowing it was most likely he'd just be a backup QB than the Jags who offered a good chance at being the starter but less money.

Apparently there were a few teams interested in making a trade for him on draft day but dropped out because Tebow didn't want to switch to the TE spot (none offered a QB spot).

[Innovator]

http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2013/0423/grant_g_wonderlic_halpern.jpg

[Boomer]

Mostly brought it on himself when he picked the Jets for the extra money, being in a big market city, and knowing it was most likely he'd just be a backup QB than the Jags who offered a good chance at being the starter but less money.

Apparently there were a few teams interested in making a trade for him on draft day but dropped out because Tebow didn't want to switch to the TE spot (none offered a QB spot).

The Jets didn't even let him be a backup QB (they pretty much did their best to make sure he didn't hit the field). I don't think he would have signed with NY if he knew they would relegate him to special teams and gadget plays. I'm not going to deny that some of his predicament is his fault, but I think the media beat the fuck out of his career. In a way, I'm glad he got some money while he could, because I don't know what he does from here. ESPN?

[Moonax]

Tebow is just a self-promoter. No different or any less annoying that Chad Johnson. He's Justin Bieber in a jockstrap and pads.

Bottomline - take out all the god bothering and hype and he'd never have lasted this long in the league based on his talent and ability.

The reason why Denver were 8-5 with him starting was because they are a good team with a good D and a good kicker. It wasn't god, or Tebow's will to win that got them that record it was that he was a below average player surrounded by good players. If they'd left Kyle Orton in or Quinn they'd have had similar results.

I am pretty sure that some team (Jacksonville) will swallow the hype and welcome the circus that Tebow brings.

[Boomer]

Again, I feel stupid trying to defend Tebow, but I think his self-promotion is only what sparked the media on him initially, and I think his coverage has gone past anything he wanted from it. I think he could actually produce in the league given the opportunity. And while I will admit he was well below average in Denver, he still led the offense and played some part in getting that team to the playoffs and winning a game. I admire his enthusiasm I guess, as naive as it may be most of the time.

[Boomer]

As a UGA graduate, I don't think I ever expected to side with Tim Tebow in an argument, but I want to give him some benefit of the doubt...even if I don't agree with his self-promotion and his public display of affection with bible verses.

[owenbrown]

on the NBC Sunday Night Football Facebook comments on the Tebow story, some people are wanting the Cowboys to pick him up. I await James Steele's take on this.

[Emperor Smeat]

The Jets didn't even let him be a backup QB (they pretty much did their best to make sure he didn't hit the field). I don't think he would have signed with NY if he knew they would relegate him to special teams and gadget plays. I'm not going to deny that some of his predicament is his fault, but I think the media beat the fuck out of his career. In a way, I'm glad he got some money while he could, because I don't know what he does from here. ESPN?

I believe he knew going into the first year that the Jets only wanted to use him for special plays while he learned their system and improved his QB skills.

Do agree on the Jets being really stubborn with Tebow and he'd probably wouldn't have signed if he knew they had no real intentions of ever using him.

[Moonax]

Again, I feel stupid trying to defend Tebow, but I think his self-promotion is only what sparked the media on him initially, and I think his coverage has gone past anything he wanted from it. I think he could actually produce in the league given the opportunity. And while I will admit he was well below average in Denver, he still led the offense and played some part in getting that team to the playoffs and winning a game. I admire his enthusiasm I guess, as naive as it may be most of the time.

The thing is - he is portrayed as a difference maker when he isn't.

A basic compare and contrast - the Vikings would not have made the playoffs without Adrian Peterson last year. Denver would have (should have reached the playoffs with that squad). I don't buy into the narrative constructed by his mates in the media that if it weren't for Tebow and god, then Denver would have had a losing record.

There are lots of guys who come in and do a good job for a short while and then the league figures them out.

The Cowboys are exactly the kind of team that might sign him.

[Ermaximus]

I am pretty sure that some team (Jacksonville) will swallow the hype and welcome the circus that Tebow brings.

Nope. He had his chance and chose New York and Caldwell wants no part of that media circus. He wants to move forward, not backwards.

Besides, we have Jordan Rodgers now, so fuck Tebow.:cool:

[Boomer]

The thing is - he is portrayed as a difference maker when he isn't.

A basic compare and contrast - the Vikings would not have made the playoffs without Adrian Peterson last year. Denver would have (should have reached the playoffs with that squad). I don't buy into the narrative constructed by his mates in the media that if it weren't for Tebow and god, then Denver would have had a losing record.

There are lots of guys who come in and do a good job for a short while and then the league figures them out.

The Cowboys are exactly the kind of team that might sign him.

I certainly don't think Tebow was the only reason they made the playoffs, but his team sure did their best to rally around him, bad play and all, and he ended up partly responsible for some of that team's success. Sure, it was a super small sample size, but I just don't think he's been given much opportunity to show himself capable after the fact. Yes, his mechanics suck, and he has only succeeded in an offense that only works at the collegiate level, but I would still like to see one team try to fit him somewhere; if Tebow doesn't show some kind of difference in his team past his ridiculously optimistic attitude, then I will have no problem ever hearing from him again.

[James Steele]

Fuck that. He shouldn't be given a chance. He needs to earn it by learning how to actually play his position at level worthy of being paid to do it professionally.

[#1-norm-fan]

Unless he wants to play for free pre-game meals, he isn't worth signing for the few crapshoot gimmick plays you can plug him in for once in a great while. He's abysmal.

[Moonax]

I certainly don't think Tebow was the only reason they made the playoffs, but his team sure did their best to rally around him, bad play and all, and he ended up partly responsible for some of that team's success. Sure, it was a super small sample size, but I just don't think he's been given much opportunity to show himself capable after the fact. Yes, his mechanics suck, and he has only succeeded in an offense that only works at the collegiate level, but I would still like to see one team try to fit him somewhere; if Tebow doesn't show some kind of difference in his team past his ridiculously optimistic attitude, then I will have no problem ever hearing from him again.

Teams rally around lots of players, and its hard to tell because there was certainly some stuff coming out last season from Denver players complaining about Tebow making everything about himself.

He's had his chance. There are tons of players who 'if they would build an offense around him' you could say that about Pryor, Webb, Pat White.

He simply isn't a good enough player to hold down a roster spot. If it weren't for the fact that so many people have bought into his self-promotion then his NFL career wouldn't have even lasted this long.

[Boomer]

I don't feel like he's been given a big enough chance, personally. I will say that he should have learned how to fix his mechanics by now, and that is a valid reason for being relegated to the bench, but I'm not sure if the Jets and Tebow were on the same page about what his purpose was on that team. The Jets should have let him play last year to attempt to increase his value as trade bait if they didn't see a future with him. I just don't understand why you sign a guy, sit him on the bench, and skip him over when your starting QB gets benched for sucking...unless it was just for media attention.

[Moonax]

That's two different things really.

Tebow is probably one of the least talented QBs in the league - I'd suggest that there are at least 20 QBs who don't have jobs at the moment who are more worthy of a roster position than him.

He has his roster spot because of his name/marketing not his skills.

The Jets are a circus and are a badly run team. So of course they are going to trade for a guy they have no use for. Just like they are going to pick guys like Gholston etc. Basically Geno Smith might have succeeded if he were playing for someone other than the Jets but signing for that organization. His career is fucked before it already began.

[James Steele]

It isn't the Jets' job to get him on the field. It is his job to compete and earn the starting spot. I guarantee you they would have played him in 2012 if they thought he could help them win more games.

[Boomer]

I just think he deserves a shot on a less whack-job team as a backup QB (I think there are plenty of bad backup QBs in the league) or a change-of-pace QB ala Brad Smith. It's not a popular opinion, but I want to give him the benefit of the doubt for one more try.

[Innovator]

The Jets traded for Tebow because the Giants won the Superbowl and no one in New York was talking about them. They wanted to drive PSLs and ticket sales. Then they realized that they have a media circus around them/ESPN power thrusting Tebow into every segment.

[itsmeJD]

Fuck that. He shouldn't be given a chance. He needs to earn it by learning how to actually play his position at level worthy of being paid to do it professionally.

I concur. The other issue is that teams HAVE expressed interest in Tebow if he'd switch to tight end, but he's being an uppity bitch about it. If he isn't signed and ends up out of the NFL it's his own fucking fault. So sick of the Tebow shit. Fuck him.

[#1-norm-fan]

I just think he deserves a shot on a less whack-job team as a backup QB (I think there are plenty of bad backup QBs in the league)

Every backup QB in the league is better than Tim Tebow.

[itsmeJD]

Every backup QB in the league is better than Tim Tebow.

Could name quite a few retired quarterbacks currently better than Tim Tebow.

[Droford]

I wouldnt mind seeing the Ravens pick up Tebow. They have Tyrod Taylor but Hes not any better/worse than Tebow. Not like they're gonna need him anyway

[The Condor]

I think it's insulting to every TE in the league to say that Tebow can switch at the drop of a hat without any training or practice and become a tight end on a given team.

[Boomer]

Football players, especially QBs, make transitions like that plenty. Do they succeed often? Not really, but they can.

[Ermaximus]

Kordell "Slash" Stewart.

Denard "Shoelace" Robinson. I'm sensing a pattern here.

[DaveBrawl]

Dude that used to play qb for Nebraska that won the Heisman and the Rams drafted him to be a WR.

[DaveBrawl]

Eric Crouch

[Emperor Smeat]

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[Triple Naitch]

Every backup QB in the league is better than Tim Tebow.

Same number of playoff wins as Tony Romo...

[DaveBrawl]

And far cheaper.

[Krimzon7]

Same number of playoff wins as Tony Romo...

More playoff wins in Denver than Peyton Manning.

[Triple Naitch]

Leave the new messiah out of this please, Krimzon.

[Krimzon7]

Sorry...Facts have this way of fucking up our view of things.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>The DC Council is trying to force the Redskins to change their name to the Washington Redtails in honor of the Tuskegee Airmen.</font>

[itsmeJD]

The DC Council is trying to force the Redskins to change their name to the Washington Redtails in honor of the Tuskegee Airmen.

Ugh....fuck the DC Council...so sick of that shit.

[#1-norm-fan]

Same number of playoff wins as Tony Romo...

Same as T.J. Yates, too. Same as Peyton Manning had with basically the same team Tebow had.

It's almost as if it's a team game or something and winning or losing doesn't come down to one guy. Crazy.

[Krimzon7]

I cannot wait for the Broncos to fail again this year. Hopefully #Tebowcurse will catch on.

[DaveBrawl]

Same as Peyton Manning had with basically the same team Tebow had.

It's almost as if it's a team game or something and winning or losing doesn't come down to one guy. Crazy.
Manning hasn't gotten one yet.

Then why does Tebow get the blame when the team lost when he played for them?

[James Steele]

Because he can't throw the football and bail out his defense when they don't play lights out. Also, Tebow and The Holy Horses got blown out 45-10 in the PLAYOFFS.

[DaveBrawl]

That defense was hardly lights out. They played pretty well against the lesser teams but stunk whenever they played a good team as seen by their being ranked 20th in total defense. They also lost by a similar score to the same team in the REGULAR SEASON, no idea why anyone was expecting a different result.

Now I'm not making excuses for Tebow as he did play poorly most of the time, but I find it just as sad when people find excuses to take away from his successes as when others try to dismiss his failures. It's like which party can be more annoying his supporters or haters. Statements like his just seem even more ironic coming from such a big Romo fan which is why I brought it up in the first place.

[Innovator]

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THAT'S STEELE'S QUARTERBACK

[Nark Order]

Peyton Manning is going to go 13-3 and then lose to the first team in the playoffs with a secondary.

[DaveBrawl]

You shut your filthy mouth.

[#1-norm-fan]

Manning hasn't gotten one yet.

Then why does Tebow get the blame when the team lost when he played for them?

He shouldn't get ALL the blame. The defense couldn't do shit either that game. Tebow playing the QB position like Tim Tebow completing nowhere near half of his passes didn't exactly help though. He gets a lot of the blame because he is a bad QB who played like a bad QB in the game.

[#1-norm-fan]

"It's a team game" doesn't mean shitty players get a pass for for being shitty players. It means "this guy is as good as that guy because HE won as many playoff games" is a retarded thing to say.

[DaveBrawl]

It really isn't when they both suck.

[#1-norm-fan]

Do I really need to post Romo's stats next to Tebow's? Come on, man... lol

[Krimzon7]

He shouldn't get ALL the blame. The defense couldn't do shit either that game. Tebow playing the QB position like Tim Tebow completing nowhere near half of his passes didn't exactly help though. He gets a lot of the blame because he is a bad QB who played like a bad QB in the game.

Peyton Manning's last throw of the 2012 season was AN INTERCEPTION TO END AN OVERTIME PLAYOFF GAME.

he's done that a lot ya know, ended his teams season with an interception.

He should get enough of the blame.

[Krimzon7]

"It's a team game" doesn't mean shitty players get a pass for for being shitty players. It means "this guy is as good as that guy because HE won as many playoff games" is a retarded thing to say.

No it's not. Football pundits judge different positions on different criteria

RB's Rushing yards and Touchdowns
WR's Receiving yards and TD's
OL's Probowl Selections
DL's Sacks
LB's total Tackles
DB's Intercetpions

but of all of them the quarterback, the figurehead of the team that is as identifiable (if not more) than the owner and the Head Coach, is measured by wins and titles. When you don't have enough of these, then people fall back on stats to justify greatness.

Which is what Peyton Manning is gonna be when he is done.

Peyton will be mentioned with Bret Farve, Kurt Warner, Steve Young and Johnny Unitas

Just ahead of the likes of Dan Marino and Dan Fouts, but WAY BEHIND Joe Montanna, Terry Bradshaw(yuck), Troy Aikman, Tom Brady and (dare I say it) Eli Manning.

[#1-norm-fan]

Peyton Manning nor Dan Marino nor Brett Favre... will never... ever... by anyone with any football knowledge whatsoever... be mentioned as being WAY BEHIND Terry Bradshaw. And I've never heard anyone call Trent Dilfer a better QB than Dan Marino. Your argument is invalid. lol

[#1-norm-fan]

Just like TJ Yates with his one playoff win coming into the season was not a better QB than Matt Ryan. lol

[DaveBrawl]

Do I really need to post Romo's stats next to Tebow's? Come on, man... lol
No, I'm not saying Romo isn't better, I'm saying they're both pretty terrible at times.

[DaveBrawl]

Poor Dan Marino. I always feel bad for him, the dude is probably the best pure passer in NFL history, but he always gets dumped on since his teams were pretty mediocre at best after 1990 or so.

[Next Big Thing]

I've always felt Marino is given his due as a quarterback. I've never really heard anyone outright dump on him for never winning the big one.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Marino himself is his own harshest critic. He's said several times he'd trade in most of his accolades for a ring.</font>

[Emperor Smeat]

Boomer Esiason would crack a joke once in a while on the NFL Today show about him being ringless just to rile up Marino for a laugh.

Marino used to be more pissed at people claiming Peyton was the new "Marino" before he won a ring than himself never winning a ring.

[Ermaximus]

He had his chance in 99, but his team choked like dogs in Jacksonville. :cool:

[#1-norm-fan]

No, I'm not saying Romo isn't better, I'm saying they're both pretty terrible at times.

You can't compare the two though. Romo has set records playing the position of QB. Completing 50% of his passes is a "good game" for Tebow. Romo makes boneheaded plays at times. Tebow is completely inept at playing QB.

[#1-norm-fan]

<font color=goldenrod>Marino himself is his own harshest critic. He's said several times he'd trade in most of his accolades for a ring.</font>

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[Krimzon7]

Peyton Manning nor Dan Marino nor Brett Favre... will never... ever... by anyone with any football knowledge whatsoever... be mentioned as being WAY BEHIND Terry Bradshaw. And I've never heard anyone call Trent Dilfer a better QB than Dan Marino. Your argument is invalid. lol

yeah, if you say so. Nobody mentioned Dilfer but you. :lol:

Passing records, Touchdown records, completion percentage, QB ratings...all that shit will be eclipsed sooner or later by some youngster. The two things that will never be taken or broken are WINS, and CHAMPIONSHIPS. Dan Marino had the all time single season passing record...does he have it now? so what makes that record worthy of putting him over Steve Young or Troy Aikman or even Mr. Bradshaw?

Hell Peyton isn't even the Best Manning!

[#1-norm-fan]

I mentioned Dilfer because he fits EXACTLY what you're saying. How the hell did you miss that? lol

And you just restated it. By what you're saying, Trent Dilfer will go down as a better QB than Dan Marino. Don't try to avoid it.

[Krimzon7]

I mentioned Dilfer because he fits EXACTLY what you're saying. How the hell did you miss that? lol

And you just restated it. By what you're saying, Trent Dilfer will go down as a better QB than Dan Marino. Don't try to avoid it.

I know dilfer won a superbowl. So did Mark Rypien, Jim Mcmahon, Doug Williams, and Joe Theisman. I never say that any of them are better than Peyton or Marino.

But among the BEST QB's to PLAY THE GAME, They all have gaudy numbers. what would be the thing that separates them then? what would be the conversation point that would help one define who's better than Montanna or Brady? how about Between Farve and Aikman? Hmm? what would you use to differentiate them then sir?

Most people with half an inkling of the game would use wins and losses in the games that matter. and those games usually revolve around getting to and winning the Superbowl.

Stop trying to make it seem like I"m saying that Trend Dilfer needs to go into Canton.

You seem to define the 'greatness' or validity of a quarterback by the completion percentage, or by the amount of 300 yard passing games that they accumulate.

Hey keep your logic, I'll keep mine. You evaluate the game how you choose, and I'll keep doing it my way.

[#1-norm-fan]

I know dilfer won a superbowl. So did Mark Rypien, Jim Mcmahon, Doug Williams, and Joe Theisman. I never say that any of them are better than Peyton or Marino.

But among the BEST QB's to PLAY THE GAME, They all have gaudy numbers. what would be the thing that separates them then? what would be the conversation point that would help one define who's better than Montanna or Brady? how about Between Farve and Aikman? Hmm? what would you use to differentiate them then sir?

This whole conversation is about Tebow. He's nowhere near the level of the other guys being discussed here talent-wise. So by what you just said, he's eliminated from the discussion before we even get to judging them by wins.

So what the hell are you arguing about? lol

[Krimzon7]

Why don't you just be happy with saying that you don't like Tebow? that's completely fine and it's your opinion. You're entitled to that.

Tebow was a winning quarterback in Denver. He won a Division title, and won a playoff game before going up against an outmatched opponent.

He's younger and cheaper than manning, and he's proven that he can win in the playoffs. Peyton Manning came in and did the same thing that Tebow did in his first year. Won a division reached the second round of the playoffs. my argument all along was that signing peyton was not giving the broncos any better chance of reaching or winning a super bowl. I've been right so far too.

[#1-norm-fan]

... I was never arguing anything about Manning before you jumped in. You're fixated on arguing about Peyton Manning. lol

I mean... if you WANT to argue that Peyton Manning isn't a WAY better option than Tebow, we can. You made it clear that your "playoff/title wins" argument only works among the BEST QB's to PLAY THE GAME. That's how you got by your guidelines saying that Trent Dilfer is better than Dan Marino.

So are you saying Tim Tebow is among the BEST QB's to PLAY THE GAME? If not, then he isn't even in the discussion and you're arguing against yourself.

[Skippord]

hey do you guys want to go beat your heads into a wall or run around in circles?

[#1-norm-fan]

Was that a Gus Frerotte joke?

[Krimzon7]

it's a WWF Fan joke. I'm no more obsessed with arguing about Manning than you are trying to discredit anything Teebow has done in the NFL.

[#1-norm-fan]

Then why are you trying so hard to argue about the Manning-Tebow Broncos situation to me?

Like I said, if you don't think Tebow is one of the greatest QBs to play the game, then by your own admission, wins don't come into the equation.

If you wanna argue whether he should still be QB of the Broncos, there's quite a few Broncos fans here. Air that grievance with them.

[Krimzon7]

I'm watching DLHQ. I just listened to Asante Samuel recount how he bought his mother a house as a complete surprise for Mother's day a couple of years ago. I was already a fan of the man because of his Patriot days. Now, I gotta say that a part of me would like to see him win again.

Man that was honestly one of the best interviews I've ever witnessed on DLHQ

[Krimzon7]

Then why are you trying so hard to argue about the Manning-Tebow Broncos situation to me?

Like I said, if you don't think Tebow is one of the greatest QBs to play the game, then by your own admission, wins don't come into the equation.

If you wanna argue whether he should still be QB of the Broncos, there's quite a few Broncos fans here. Air that grievance with them.

By my own admission, Peyton manning is not one of the best players in the history of the game because wins DO come into the equation. I'm just putting it out there over and over because you repeatedly take the bait.

[#1-norm-fan]

Let's just nip this in the bud... Do you think Tim Tebow is a better QB than Peyton Manning, Matt Ryan, Tony Romo or Andy Dalton?

[Krimzon7]

Let's nip this in the bud do you think that Peyton Manning is a better quarterback than Tom Brady, Joe Montanna, Troy Aikman or Eli Manning?

My answer would have to be yes....I think that Tim Tebow has done more for his franchise (the Broncos when he was starting) than Tony Romo and Andy Dalton. He deserved to have a complete off season training camp and to enter last year as a starter with some team. Matt Ryan is a push to me.

It is apparent that we place premiums on two different things. You would rather have a quarterback who could zip a football all over the field, and amass prolific numbers during the 16 week regular season.

I'd rather have a championship winning quarterback.

YOu prefer stats, I prefer Titles.

[Nark Order]

Yeah. I'll see shows comparing Peyton Manning and Joe Montana and I think to myself "How is this even close?" Peyton doesn't win big games that matter. There's the biggest difference.

It's the difference between Peyton and Eli as well. Eli shows up for big games.

[#1-norm-fan]

No. I do not think Peyton Manning is a better QB than Joe Montana. Aikman and Eli, yes (And I'm a Cowboys fan. But I'm not so fucking blind that I can't see that the other fucking players and coaches around a guy contribute to winning games). Brady... debatable. Brady was injured for a year and the Patriots won 11 games with Matt freakin' Cassel. Not a big drop off. Manning was injured for a year and the Colts nearly went winless. HUGE fucking drop off. That's a pretty big point in Peyton's favor.

I don't base shit on stats alone. I base it on a lot of factors. Mainly just watching a guy play. lol. It's retarded to base it on anything else, really. Simply saying "this team wins" is a fucking ridiculous way to judge a player. Again... IT'S A FUCKING TEAM GAME! YOU CAN ONLY JUDGE A PLAYER BASED ON HOW HE PLAYS HIS POSITION!!! Brad Johnson was not a better QB than Matt Ryan is because HE DIDN'T PLAY THE POSITION AS WELL. Tim Tebow is not a better QB than pretty much anyone mentioned in this thread because HE DOESN'T PLAY THE POSITION AS WELL. Throw him in with a good defense, some good coaching, maybe a running game and the team might win some games despite him not even being able to complete 40% of his passes. IT DOES NOT MEAN HE IS A GOOD QB! IT MEANS HE IS A SHITTY QB ON A GOOD TEAM.

And you'd rather have a championship winning quarterback? Good. Peyton Manning has won a championship. And he actually did it while playing the position of QB in a way that helped, and in some cases pushed, his team to victory. So there ya go.

[Skippord]

I think Peyton Manning is a better quarterback than Joe Montana(maybe not because I didn't see him play that much, but based on what I've seen), Troy Aikman and Eli because process trumps results

[DaveBrawl]

I also think Peyton is a better quarterback than Eli, Aikman and Brady. I don't really remember much of Montana aside from those allstar 49ers teams, although I remember being impressed he made the Chiefs that good while he was there.

[The Condor]

Brady is just as good as Manning, I feel. The only QB's better than either are Elway, Marino, and maybe Favre

[DaveBrawl]

I'd just like to see what Brady can do without Belichik just for curiosity sake. Of course I feel that way about anybody that has been in 1 system for their entire career.

[The Condor]

Indeed. After Brady got Moss it was an incredible transformation. Like he got his own "Marvin Harrison"

[#1-norm-fan]

I'd just like to see what Brady can do without Belichik just for curiosity sake. Of course I feel that way about anybody that has been in 1 system for their entire career.

I would have loved to have seen what Brady could do as QB of the 2011 Colts.

I mean... I think they would have been improved obviously because I think Brady is more than just a guy in a good position. But without those pieces, it would have been interesting to see if he could carry a team on his back like Manning did regularly.

[DaveBrawl]

Definitely. I don't think he's just a cog in the machine that can be easily replaced by anyone, but I'd like to see how he works with a medicore or even poor coach and support cast.

[Emperor Smeat]

Peyton is just as big of a "1 system" QB as Brady is when you consider his system is a few years older and ended up being the actual inspiration Belichick used when he reworked Brady's in 2007. Also around the same year Belichick started to get more involved on the offensive side of the ball.

Same goes for last year with the Broncos considering the huge changes they did to their own style/system to accommodate him and reduce the learning time Peyton needed.

Flip both guys around and the general consensus is Peyton would have at least another ring because of the early Pats defenses while Brady still gets a ring because of the early Colts offensive weapons. Weather was a huge reason for Peyton's playoff struggles in New England since he wasn't used to playing in cold weather games/situations like Brady.

[#1-norm-fan]

I wouldn't just call either a "1 system" QB. Having never seen either of them really in a system where they're failing, it's presumptuous to think of either as just a "1 system" QB.

As for the systems though, I think having seen the 2008 Patriots without Brady and the 2011 Colts without Manning I think we can safely assume Brady had it much easier. In another "if" situation, I don't think Matt Cassel would have led the 2011 Colts to 11 wins or even close.

[DaveBrawl]

I think system was a poor word choice on my part, not really sure what word to use in it's place though. What I was getting at was more along the lines of the conisistancy of working with one great coach over like 11 seasons as opposed to the handful that Peyton has had with their various philosophies on offense.

[Emperor Smeat]

I wouldn't just call either a "1 system" QB. Having never seen either of them really in a system where they're failing, it's presumptuous to think of either as just a "1 system" QB.

As for the systems though, I think having seen the 2008 Patriots without Brady and the 2011 Colts without Manning I think we can safely assume Brady had it much easier. In another "if" situation, I don't think Matt Cassel would have led the 2011 Colts to 11 wins or even close.

Agree that Cassel wouldn't have won that many games with the 2011 Colts but he'd be more competitive than what the Colts used for QBs that year.

He did have about 3 years worth of development and learning on the Pats system/style before he started the 2008 season unlike Painter or whoever else the Colts used in 2011.

[DrA]

Brady is just as good as Manning, I feel. The only QB's better than either are Elway, Marino, and maybe Favre

The NFL has been around longer than twenty years.

[Krimzon7]

The NFL has been around longer than twenty years.

Terry Bradshaw, Sammy Baugh, and Otto Grahmn both thank you for this statement.

[Droford]

Ed Reed has a torn labrum in his hip (thought that was in the shoulder?) and had to have surgery and probably won't be ready for the start of Texans training camp. Apparently it was torn LAST SEASON and he just is getting around to having the surgery on it now, which I would have to think could give the Texans a reason to void his contract maybe?

Really hate to be this way about him, but it looks like the Ravens might have dodged the damaged goods bullet..between this hip injury and his often injured shoulder...

[DaveWadding]

According to Pro Football Focus’ data, since '08 Larry Fitzgerald has caught 40 of 42 catchable passes of 20 yards or more. That is awesome. He is awesome. It would be hard not to put him as 1-2 with Calvin Johnson in ability. But here is the opposite of those awesome numbers; in 2012 he only had two catchable targets over 20 yards. He went ahead and caught those two, but had 24 non-catchable targets over 20 yards, that yes, he did not catch. Twenty-four!

save_us.carson_palmer

[Krimzon7]

According to Pro Football Focus’ data, since '08 Larry Fitzgerald has caught 40 of 42 catchable passes of 20 yards or more. That is awesome. He is awesome. It would be hard not to put him as 1-2 with Calvin Johnson in ability. But here is the opposite of those awesome numbers; in 2012 he only had two catchable targets over 20 yards. He went ahead and caught those two, but had 24 non-catchable targets over 20 yards, that yes, he did not catch. Twenty-four!

save_us.carson_palmer

Kimo Von Olhaffen, or whatever the fuck that asshat from the Steelers name is, stole the best of Carson Palmer from us. A part of me wants to see him succed. But I gotta tell you to be very wary of any success he brings you.

[Next Big Thing]

MJD's Cinco de Mayo:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BJgWOe8CAAAbQU8.jpg:small
"It's CINCO DE MAYO!!!!!!!! You know I had to bring the boots out"

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BJgkHjVCUAA7J1j.jpg:small
"And then there were 3........... Amigos!!!!!!! And their trusted stallions."

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BJgkUN8CAAEd08V.jpg:small
"Riding into the sunset!!!!!"

[OssMan]

Thank you Next Big Thing.

[#1-norm-fan]

In other NFL news, here's Joe Namath riding a horse shirtless.

http://jacksonville.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/lead_photo_wide/namath.jpg

[Emperor Smeat]

CEO of the Miami Dolphins threatening the team is considering moving out of the city if the renovations bill is not passed by the city. The owner also stated if its not passed, he'd end up selling the team and wouldn't care if the new potential owners favor relocation.

The Dolphins wanted both state and local help to pay for $400 million worth of renovations to 26-year-old Sun Life Stadium. The Dolphins wanted $3 million a year for the next 30 years from the state. Dee said Ross was committed to funding 70 percent of the cost.
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/9246386/miami-dolphins-pay-stadium-fixes-ceo-mike-dee

[Skippord]

well if there's one fanbase who's going to be open to funding anything related to a sports stadium right now it's Miami

[Ermaximus]

Lol, fans in Jacksonville are petitioning Obama to make the Jaguars sign Tebow. :lol:

Going to desigante this group of fans as "Tebros."

[#1-norm-fan]

Holy shit, how desperate are Jaguars fans!?!? lol

[itsmeJD]

The Jaguars have fans?!?!

[#1-norm-fan]

I know of 2. That's officially enough to pluralize it.

[Skippord]

Blaine Gabbert makes Tim Tebow look like Joen MontElway

[#1-norm-fan]

I'd say they both make each other look like Tim Tebow and Blaine Gabbert.

[Ermaximus]

I know of 2. That's officially enough to pluralize it.

You mean I'm not the only one?

[Ermaximus]

Hello Mr. Trufant, welcome to Jacksonville!

[itsmeJD]

Hello Mr. Trufant, welcome to Jacksonville!

When I first read this my initial thought was, "What in the fuck are the Falcons doing?! They just drafted this fucker!" I then realized you weren't referring to Desmond. I've calmed now.

[Ermaximus]

When I first read this my initial thought was, "What in the fuck are the Falcons doing?! They just drafted this fucker!" I then realized you weren't referring to Desmond. I've calmed now.

Contrary to Kris P, the Falcons are not that stupid.

[OssMan]

https://images.encyclopediadramatica.se/b/b8/Jags_fan.gif

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

He's on crack. Only reason to explain the nose touching and being a Jags fan.

[Emperor Smeat]

Lol, fans in Jacksonville are petitioning Obama to make the Jaguars sign Tebow. :lol:

Going to desigante this group of fans as "Tebros."

Ended up getting dropped due to only 300 people signed it.

A different group is petitioning to the team itself to not sign Tebow and managed to get 31,000 people to sign so far.

[DaveBrawl]

Of the 31000 I wonder how many are actually Jags fans and not people that dislike Tebow.

[Ermaximus]

Ended up getting dropped due to only 300 people signed it.

A different group is petitioning to the team itself to not sign Tebow and managed to get 31,000 people to sign so far.

I already signed this one.

[Kris P Lettus]

He's on crack. Only reason to explain the nose touching and being a Jags fan.

people don't snort crack up their noses

[screech]

Kris P Lettus: crack expert

[Kris P Lettus]

nah

more like

Kris P Lettus: not retarded

[Nark Order]

Everybody knows that crack is a suppository.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Orange barrels. Re-route.

[Next Big Thing]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>QB David Garrard told 2 players he no longer plans to be with the <a href="https://twitter.com/search/%23Jets">#Jets</a>, per sources. Nothing official from team. Unclear if cut/retired</p>&mdash; Ian Rapoport (@RapSheet) <a href="https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/334762536731807746">May 15, 2013</a></blockquote>
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