Punk/Rock Promo

[OldSchoolFan]

Mainly for the people who feel Punk looked better than Rock in the promo...

[Keith]

It was pretty even, in my mind. One didn't overshadow or outperform the other. It was good.

[Bad News Gertner]

Punk is so God awful. They have to make the Rock look weak just to pump up CM Punk, when Punk isn't remotely on the Rock's level. Tonight showed why Punk has killed the WWE's ratings.

[MoFo]

What Gertner said.

Rock was lame as fuck but Punk's super serius act is boring to watch. Calling him Dwayne and using him being a successful film star as some sort of insult is dumb.

[Fignuts]

Comparing the promos like we did with the cena build up is dumb.

Punk's character isn't supposed to make you like him. Of course the rock's promo is going to be more charismatic and energetic.

[Poit]

Honestly, Rock's promo just seemed painfully juvenile at times. Even though Punk said nothing new, he also didn't say anything that made me cringe.

[#1-norm-fan]

Rock was lame as fuck but Punk's super serius act is boring to watch. Calling him Dwayne and using him being a successful film star as some sort of insult is dumb.

A heel used an insult you don't agree with? Appalling.

[Droford]

I mentioned that punk looked like a little kid in the ring with Rock..

[#1-norm-fan]

Rock has become corny. He still gets a ridiculous reaction and will no matter what but the "here's a random silly sounding phrase to call my opponent followed by the catchphrases" thing is cringe-worthy. That made up about half his promo. The other half wasn't bad.

[Keith]

I agree with what has been said about Rock's promos being cringe-worthy at times. Tonight, the moment he said "Cookie Puss" I just felt awkward. My mind went back to his "We will rock you" song, all the "Fruity Pebbles" talk, Kung Pao Bitch.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Punk won the verbal joust which is why Rock had to Rock Bottom him out of no where to save face.

[Curd]

Honestly, Rock's promo just seemed painfully juvenile at times. Even though Punk said nothing new, he also didn't say anything that made me cringe.

Yeah, Punk showed some longterm consistency by sticking with the message he's held for the last 414 days. It fits Punk's character to claim the moral high ground of not resulting to playground insults, though I enjoyed his hyperbole about holding the title "20 or 30 years" if wrestling during the Sammartino Era of WWE/WWWF.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

What Gertner said.

Rock was lame as fuck but Punk's super serius act is boring to watch. Calling him Dwayne and using him being a successful film star as some sort of insult is dumb.

He didn't use being a movie star as an insult. He just said that every time he comes back he's going to kick his ass.

Cena was the one who tried to use the movie star thing as an insult not Punk. Cena stole using "Dwayne" as an insult from Punk.

[slik]

Punk was much better.

Rock on his worst day is still above average, even as in this case, I wasn't crazy about the content.

[Curd]

But in terms of intimidation factor, I'd be more scared of Rock and would believe, as a casual mark, that Rock is going to kill Punk at 'Mania. Maybe Cena will interfere to help Punk retain as retaliation against Rock for the past two Wrestlemanias.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Since they are fighting at the Royal Rumble killing him at WrestleMania would be kind of hard.

[Keith]

I'm a little surpised WWE didn't wait until WrestleMania to have Rock vs Punk.

I don't think that'll happen now, so I'd like to see Rock vs Lesnar at 'Mania. I wouldn't like to see Rock vs Cena 2 unless it involves Rock going heel.

[Curd]

Since they are fighting at the Royal Rumble killing him at WrestleMania would be kind of hard.

Oh, OK. My memory left me again. Thanks for your regular clarifications! :)

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

I'm a little surpised WWE didn't wait until WrestleMania to have Rock vs Punk.

I don't think that'll happen now, so I'd like to see Rock vs Lesnar at 'Mania. I wouldn't like to see Rock vs Cena 2 unless it involves Rock going heel.

They wanted to kick off the Road to WrestleMania with a bang and not just the normal Royal Rumble match bang. A WWE title match that actually matters at a Royal Rumble. Been a long time since that was true.

[Keith]

That they did.

[James Steele]

Overall, I thought it was even and got me even more excited about the match. Some of The Rock's insults made me grit my teeth, but CM Punk rolled with it. CM Punk's long-winded "pipebomb" thing just seemed really weird. I get the whole idea of being against "the people" as he faces "the peoples' champion" but it seemed like rambling...which could be what they were shooting for. Easily the best part was the simplest part - "I'm going to kick your ass, Rock. You can't box with God" and The Rock talking about how great CM Punk is, but he isn't The Rock and so on and so forth.

[Keith]

About CM Punk, I do agree that sometimes he tries too hard to be this "rebel", this guy who isn't afraid to speak the truth and doesn't care what anyone, including the fans, thinks. We get it. He's a heel now. But he's better off when he's organic and just does his thing.

[James Steele]

It just seemed like he was rambling on and on. He played the system to chance the system, but he can't change the system so he is just going to dominate and patronize the system?

[Tazz Dan]

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[#1-norm-fan]

I liked Punk's stuff about guys like Kidd getting less time and attention than an imaginary child. :lol:

[Bad News Gertner]

If Kidd could not cause half the audience to turn their t.v off he wouldn't.

[dronepool]

It was pretty even, in my mind. One didn't overshadow or outperform the other. It was good.

Agreed, both were awesome.

[Shadrick]

Yeah I thought this was even. And for it to be there first go around, I can't wait to see how everything plays out with their interactions from here on.

[Corporate CockSnogger]

You know, for a group of people who are supposed to be wrestling fans, a bunch of you guys sure do seem to hate professional wrestling.

It had fun parts, it had serious parts. It was good, enjoy it.

[The Whole F'n Show]

Well since I am the only one on the "other side" haha, I guess I will try to explain. It just seems kind of like last year with the leadup to mania, where Rock was pretty stale and stumbling all over his words and whatnot, but the last raw before mania, he was gold. It would be kind of ridiculous to assume that the Rock could hang with the best on the mic on a consistent basis when he has been there once. I'd expect it to be much better the closer we get to the rumble, but who knows what creative has in mind for the whole angle. Still see Rock winning the title at the rumble, but wouldn't surprise me to see it go wither way.

[Schlomey]

I loved Punk's promo. Not as much as the original "pipebomb" but I am glad that he got time before the Rock came out.

I will agree with the few that said Rock's performance was momentarily "cringe-worthy" and there were moments I was glad my wife was asleep in bed or I would have reached embarrassment for watching.

While this is no primaries debate, I would say that Punks performance last night makes me want to see this match. Especially the part where he kept saying, "I'm going to kick your ass." His facials and his tone made him seem legitimate.


As I posted in the RAW thread, I'm looking forward to Punk vs Rock already way more than Rock vs Cena.

That was round 1, I assume things will get better the more time they get.

[MoFo]

Phillip needs to learn that calling wrestlers by their real names isn't edgy, just dumb.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

I don't know what's wrong with Rock when he comes back. While I'm watching 2004, everytime he came back he was on fire. Are they pushing scripts on him?

Punk though

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[#BROKEN Hasney]

OK, not THAT good. I just wanted to use the GIF.

[Keith]

I wonder if at some point we'll see Heyman and Rock go at each other on the mic. That should be good.

Now that I think about it, I want more Paul E. Everytime he gets on the mic it's gold.

[whiteyford]

It was better than Rock/Cena at least.

[Flash Funk]

I voted for Punk, but I am extremely biased. Was entertained by the whole thing.

[Fignuts]

Phillip needs to learn that calling wrestlers by their real names isn't edgy, just dumb.

If it were any other wrestler, I'd agree, but it makes sense for the rock.

[Emperor Smeat]

I thought both were pretty good although had no idea what a Cookie Puss was when Rock mentioned it.

Rock isn't going to suddenly become the TV-14 type promo machine he was over a decade ago considering RAW is now a PG show which is why he's now more of a pandering or crowd entertainer with his promos.

Also think Rock fits a lot better with Punk than with Cena so both are only going to get better leading into the Rumble (and hopefully till Mania).

[Corporate CockSnogger]

What's gonna close the show at the Rumble? The Rumble match itself or Rock v Punk?

I think the winner of the rumble is either Cena or Ryback, and if it's Ryback (and he goes on to challenge Big Show) then I think it'll be Punk v Rock closing the show.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

I think you have to close the show with Punk/Rock regardless of who wins the Rumble. They have closed Royal Rumbles with title matches for less than this match (Angle/Henry) This is a WrestleMania level main event. I can see it going at least 30 minutes. They might have to cut the Rumble entry time down to a minute per entry to make it work.

[311]

It was alright, nothing more. I'd say Punk was "better."

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Let's not gloss over the fact that Punk cut this promo after a grueling TLC match as well.

[Shadrick]

Let's not gloss over the fact that Punk cut this promo after a grueling TLC match as well.

What would a match have to do with his ability to speak?

[James Steele]

What would a match have to do with his ability to speak?

Stick a microphone in your face after running a mile and see how good of a promo you can deliver.

[drave]

Stick a microphone in your face after running a mile and see how good of a promo you can deliver.

lol. good point! :y:

[SNLfunnyguy]

People who are slating The Rock on the internet tonight fucking loved his performance and they know it. They are just trying to seem cool on the Net.

To those people I say shame on your parents for raising a weird kid.

[Shadrick]

Stick a microphone in your face after running a mile and see how good of a promo you can deliver.

Punk is a much better athlete than I am....poor comparison....

...same guy that ran the Chicago marathon on 6 hours notice for shits and gigs and tweeted his whole way through it....

Again, a 20 minute TLC match will not impede his ability to speak after a 10 minute break to recover...especially since he's just talking, not screaming, Ultimate Warrior-esque.

[SNLfunnyguy]

Punk is a much better athlete than I am....poor comparison....

...same guy that ran the Chicago marathon on 6 hours notice for shits and gigs and tweeted his whole way through it....

Again, a 20 minute TLC match will not impede his ability to speak after a 10 minute break to recover...especially since he's just talking, not screaming, Ultimate Warrior-esque.

He put a shirt back on as well. Have you ever tried putting a shirt on when sweaty? It's an awful experience.

[Bad News Gertner]

Punk also laid down half the match.

[Lock Jaw]

I am a Punk supporter but...

It seemed to me like he was basically saying that he isn't "over", but still has success "despite the fans".

Also, unlike some others... I did not buy Punk face to face with Rock telling him he would kick his ass. Rock looked like a towering beast over some homeless dude they let in the ring. Punk trying to look and sound intimidating is not the route to go. He's got to use his brains, not his "brawn" (because he has none)

[whiteyford]

People who are slating The Rock on the internet tonight fucking loved his performance and they know it. They are just trying to seem cool on the Net.

To those people I say shame on your parents for raising a weird kid.

I'm glad you haven't succumbed to the notion that people have differing opinions on things, that would just be silly.

[Keith]

I
Punk trying to look and sound intimidating is not the route to go. He's got to use his brains, not his "brawn" (because he has none)

I think it all goes back to the perception I have of him, that he's trying too hard to come across as a "bad guy", he's trying too hard to get the crowd to boo him.

When he's organic, when he just goes out and talks the way he's capable of, that gets the job done. No need to overdo it.

[JKWJRMON]

Honestly, Rock's promo just seemed painfully juvenile at times. Even though Punk said nothing new, he also didn't say anything that made me cringe.

I agree completely!

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

The best part of Punk's promo are the shots he took at Bruno and Hogan.

[Keith]

I wonder if Punk shooting on Sammartino was Vince's idea. Maybe Bruno completely decided against being inducted into the HOF and Vince was like "Ok. Punk, say this about Bruno".

[MisterLee]

Urban Dictionary: cookie-puss
the act of placing one's testicles on the eyes of a girl, then laying the penis down her nose in the honor of the ice cream cake from carvel.

Web definitions: cookie puss
Cookie Puss is an ice cream cake character created by Carvel in the 1970s as an expansion of its line of freshly made products sold only...
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CM Punk

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Cookie Puss

I can kind of see the resemblance. :lol:

[Theo Dious]

I wonder if Punk shooting on Sammartino was Vince's idea. Maybe Bruno completely decided against being inducted into the HOF and Vince was like "Ok. Punk, say this about Bruno".

Or maybe Punk, in an attempt to further put over his year-plus title win, decided to take aim at the guy who held the belt for a hundred years? Maybe? Not everything is about Vince McMahon being an asshole.

[Theo Dious]

If Kidd could not cause half the audience to turn their t.v off he wouldn't.

I'm pretty sure there was an immediate drop in ratings just when his name was mentioned...

[Theo Dious]

Anyways Punk did an amazing job of sucking the Rock just enough so that the Rock could blow a major load. The Rock did a good job of delivering the same promo he's been delivering since 1998.

[Shadrick]

Anyways Punk did an amazing job of sucking the Rock just enough so that the Rock could blow a major load. The Rock did a good job of delivering the same promo he's been delivering since 1998.

Same catch phrases? Sure. Same promo since 1998? Cmon. Did you watch the whole thing? Rock being fired up in the middle to the end of the promo never happened in 98.

Its like yall are just looking for something to complain about lol.

[KIRA]

I am just reminded of what Stone Cold said to Rock during their feud "You come out here spin your little nursery rhymes Jesus Christ son! You better get your ass serious" That sums up everything for me.

[#1-norm-fan]

People shitting on the accuracy of what Punk said and the legitimacy of his knocks against Rock need to remember... he's a heel... cutting a heel promo. It's like people hear Punk say "pipebomb" and suddenly decide "Fuck the fact that I'm watching pro wrestling, he must now speak 100% gospel as Phil Brooks". He's still playing a character.

You don't have to agree that Tyson Kidd should get more TV time... It doesn't have to make sense to you... It only needs to make sense coming from Punk's character. It's the same character that complained last summer about Cena getting all the hype and adoration despite Punk being the best wrestler in the world. The stuff he said last night went right along with it.

[Shadrick]

I am just reminded of what Stone Cold said to Rock during their feud "You come out here spin your little nursery rhymes Jesus Christ son! You better get your ass serious" That sums up everything for me.

Yeah, he wasn't serious at all during the promo.

[Rock Bottom]

Rock was off his game. They both kinda fell flat to me. They didn't really get the match over at all. They just blindly talked shit after Punk told his side of the story.

Punk has done better, but he wasn't as far from his peak as The Rock was. I notice it more in The Rock because few even get to the level on the microphone that he has. Don't think Punk is one of those guys yet. Don't get me wrong, because I think Punk is the best "full time" wrestler in the WWE.

I also cite creative sucking on this. Despite what people are led to believe, these guys do not go out there with the freedom to do whatever they want. They are given framework and bullet points for almost every promo they have. They take suggestions and are told to say specific things. They don't adhere, word for word, to "the script" but they're definitely not just winging anything.

It might have made it better to watch if anyone took the trouble to give that segment some direction. Instead, we got a "force fed pimp bomb, Jr." that lasted for too long. It was interrupted by a commercial because they put the promo on the wrong side of the card to try to "keep people tuned in." Didn't want people changing the channel after Rock left.

Normally, this would be no problem, and The Rock would just carry the whole thing. Which, I guess he sort of still does, making this all moot, but he was just awful for a significant part of that promo and it really surprised me. I think both of them should pull their heads out of their asses and give us something better than that, tell creative to fuck off if they have to. This has the potential to be another great feud, and begins to feel as if it could also just be one of those forgettable collisions despite itself.

[311]

I'd say the most successful part of the thing was that I bought CM Punk and the Rock as legit opponents.

[James Diesel]

Well, after having watched this promo a 4th time, it's easy to say that Rock just was so hypocritical with his first line. In retrospect of what Rock said throughout the exchange it was "CRYSTAL CLEAR" that Rock himself is "delusional". 75% of his shit is ice cream, irrelevant references from his childhood that don't play into the "modern era" (god I hope that doesn't stick), dick jokes, and catchphrases. He had nothing to say that wasn't just blatant plagiarism of the same promo he cut against John Cena

CM Punk however, may have possibly cut his 2nd best promo in his career. And there's no way Rock should walk out of the Rumble as champion. Punk never changed his composure through all of Rock's bullshit and nonsense. But there was a moment that you could see cut deep into Rocky. Yes, it was the emotional shift that was necessary to provide the lead up to the Rock Bottom but it was the absolute moment where Rock legit understood that he couldn't say anything better than what was being told to his face. The moment when Punk said that his "arms were just too short to box with God", Rock was shook as fuck.

Rock wants to say Time's up? His time was up ten years ago, when he'd "done it all." When he could "go no further." When he himself "walked out on the People."
Face it, Rock can't wrestle a decent match anymore. We've witnessed, it's just simple shit, arm drags, suplexes, selling, and signatures. And he's about to step in a ring with someone who has earned the right to call himself the best in the world, and proves it every chance he gets.

Come Royal Rumble, there will be an ass-kicking of a lifetime. And the black sheep will walk out victorious. Or the title, 416 days, 2012, will have lost all meaning and worth.

/end rant

[James Diesel]

Oh, and for the record, if someone like NoJabba wants to neg rep me because "I make no sense", just go fuck yourself. Your golden brahma bull isn't wrestling in 2000 anymore. It's time to move on.

[James Steele]

Jabba didn't even watch wrestling in 2000.

[Tazz Dan]

People shitting on the accuracy of what Punk said and the legitimacy of his knocks against Rock need to remember... he's a heel... cutting a heel promo. It's like people hear Punk say "pipebomb" and suddenly decide "Fuck the fact that I'm watching pro wrestling, he must now speak 100% gospel as Phil Brooks". He's still playing a character.

You don't have to agree that Tyson Kidd should get more TV time... It doesn't have to make sense to you... It only needs to make sense coming from Punk's character. It's the same character that complained last summer about Cena getting all the hype and adoration despite Punk being the best wrestler in the world. The stuff he said last night went right along with it.

I hate to admit it lads, but this is one of the most spot-on posts I have ever read on here.

[whiteyford]

Forward it to Billy Graham then.

[Keith]

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[Jordan]

I love Jericho.

My thoughts on the promo...

I haven't posted here for a while now, but this promo is interesting and needs to be discussed.... Punk's 15 minute speech before The Rock came out was the absolute worst I have ever herd him on the mic, ever. He was so grade school, the evil John Cena "YOUR ALL LOSERS" how lame was that?

Luckily The Rock came in like a fucking beast and schooled him. He used great patience and didn't rush into his catchphrases immediately and holy shit did everything the man say have a lot of intent and conviction. The acting is paying off big time.

Punk bounced back VERY well with the "I'm gonna kick your ass" speech, and brought himself up to the Rock's level, but in his own way.

Overall the The Rock should kill Punk, he is so much bigger, I mean it's ridiculous. There is no way Punk could beat Rock without the Sheild unless the book this match like Gracie/Severn

[Jordan]

Before I get ripped for Rock love here...

I was NOT on board with The Rock last year working with Cena, I thought he played it safe and Cena won the war of the mic. Though now The Rock being more comfortable, will be more in the moment and bring new stuff to the table, as well as bringing the old to the new.

Watching The Rock on WWE is like seeing "THE GREATEST STAR OF ALL TIME", it's almost unbelievable. The guy is third generation and BLEEDS WWE.

It's quite moving to me, he's the fucking man. He is WWE.

[Rock Bottom]

Before I get ripped for Rock love here...

I was NOT on board with The Rock last year working with Cena, I thought he played it safe and Cena won the war of the mic. Though now The Rock being more comfortable, will be more in the moment and bring new stuff to the table, as well as bringing the old to the new.

Watching The Rock on WWE is like seeing "THE GREATEST STAR OF ALL TIME", it's almost unbelievable. The guy is third generation and BLEEDS WWE.

It's quite moving to me, he's the fucking man. He is WWE.

Yeah, but I don't think he's the same Rock he used to be. He did bleed WWE. He also bleeds hollywood now. I'm sure the longer he's around, the closer he'll get (on the mic, his ring work is actually ok) to his former glory.

At the same time, I'm starting to detect that Rock is a little bit egotistical in that he knows everything he says will be "a hit" with the audience. The audience used to eat the shit up because he was good at coming up with these random insults they'd never heard before. Now it seems like he's just mailing it in, which I don't think is entirely his fault.

While I still don't think Punk holds a candle to The Rock in his prime, I didn't see Punk not being Punk, so even if it was a little "meh" until the part where he was in Rock's face I can't really fault him as much as creative on the nature of how the thing was presented.

Hopefully they get some better chemistry going, these two having a mic war could be pretty good. I think it might even pull Steve Austin out of hiding if it's good enough.

Guess we'll see.

[Curd]

A bit of humor for those familiar with the comic strip Calvin & Hobbes:
---Rock is the "Moe" to CM Punk's "Calvin"---
Rock: Pay me homage, CM Twinkie!
Punk: Up yours!
Rock flattens Punk at the Rumble
Punk: I had a moral victory!

[The Rogerer]

Looking back on the Rock's 'great' promos now, it was just all racist, homophobic mocking nonsense. He's a charasmatic orator and he did that very well. CM Punk had a very good promo, up until the very end of his soliloquy where he (arguably intentionally) began to repeat himself a little.