The Official Wrestling Whinge Thread

[Mr. Nerfect]

I would, however, also accept Brock Lesnar beating Triple H and Paul Heyman getting control of the WWE. On RAW, Heyman announces that John Cena & The Rock will team up at Extreme Rules to face CM Punk & Brock Lesnar. The Shield can attack Hall of Fame inductee Mick Foley backstage and continue Ambrose's gripes with Foley from last year. Team Hell No & Mick Foley vs. The Shield at Extreme Rules could be worked around Foley's limitations.

[#1-norm-fan]

Fuck you, yes it would be. Believe in The Shield.

I believe The Shield closing WrestleMania in any way, shape or form would be WWE's way of saying "fuck WrestleMania".

It sounds like a way you might end a Hell in a Cell PPV to build to a Survivor Series match the next month. Not a way you end the big one.

[James Steele]

Just like the ending to WrestleMania 2000 and WrestleMania X-Seven destroyed the aura of WrestleMania?

[James Steele]

...or all those years where John Cena got boo'd out of the building for beating a bigger star in the main event of WrestleMania.

[#1-norm-fan]

Just like the ending to WrestleMania 2000 and WrestleMania X-Seven destroyed the aura of WrestleMania?

Yeah, because the most over, established heel in the company winning the main event and one of the most shocking heel turns of all time is right on par with Shield attack #376. :roll:

[James Steele]

So, you admit that Triple H was the greatest heel of all time in the modern era and worthy of being the first heel to win the main event of WrestleMania?

[James Steele]

Yeah, because the most over, established heel in the company winning the main event and one of the most shocking heel turns of all time is right on par with Shield attack #376. :roll:

So you'd rather watch "Babyface wins in the end at WrestleMania #60928602"

[#1-norm-fan]

So, you admit that Triple H was the greatest heel of all time in the modern era and worthy of being the first heel to win the main event of WrestleMania?

Hmm. Define "of all time in the modern era".

[#1-norm-fan]

So you'd rather watch "Babyface wins in the end at WrestleMania #60928602"

Well... it kinda has to happen since both are babyfaces.

But yes. You build a match and you have it culminate at WrestleMania. Usually the best culmination is the face walking away with the win. Just like movies usually end with the good guy winning. There's a reason for that.

I can't believe I'm actually having to defend why Wrestle fucking Mania ending with a Shield attack is a ridiculous idea right now...

[Lock Jaw]

Only way I'd enjoy it would be if it happened only after the match was finished, and someone big was joining them. Then it would be good. Setting the scene for the new Post-Mania "season" of WWE.

[The Jayman]

Chris Benoit who is apparently one of the best technical wrestlers ever had 5 moves and 3 of them were a german suplex.

[Krow]

Chris Benoit who is apparently one of the best technical wrestlers ever had 5 moves and 3 of them were felonies.

[Tazz Dan]

Who the duck unstickied my thread????

[Tazz Dan]

#autocorrect

[Mr. Nerfect]

I can't believe I'm actually having to defend why Wrestle fucking Mania ending with a Shield attack is a ridiculous idea right now...

You're allowed to not like, but "ridiculous?" As Lock Jaw said, it'd set up the "post-WrestleMania" season of WWE so very nicely. You have a dominant faction (possibly undefeated) causing havoc wherever they go, and they have even desecrated the WrestleMania main event. It gives Cena and Rock goals and obstacles coming out of the show. It gets your average fan pissed off at them -- "I can't wait until The Rock and John Cena kick those sorry guys's asses! How dare they?! I was going to boo The Rock and John Cena hugging, because it's a little gay, but now I'm really pissed off and want to see them join forces!"

You don't even have to close it on The Shield. You can have a select portion of the babyface roster (even including hometown hero, Zack Ryder) running down to the ring and chasing The Shield off through the crowd -- perhaps with Ambrose even taking the WWE Title with him.

[XL]

I find it incredibly annoying that SmackDown features so many replays of what happened on Raw. Can't get my head around the fact they use time on the shorter show that fewer people watch to recap what happened on the longer show that more people watch. If you're watching SmackDown you've probably watched Raw and therefore do not need reminding what happened 4 days previously. On the other hand, they might benefit from replaying what happened on SmackDown non Raw, as fewer people saw what happened on the blue brand.

The time on SmackDown should/could be used to feature guys that don't appear all that regularly or to help develop character/promo ability of the guys that do.

Seems WWE waste a huge chunk of the 5 hours of major TV time they have.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I am in full support of the WWE bringing back the brand split in its full glory. SmackDown could be used to support guys that have cooled or are being built up. New talent could get their feet wet there in preparation for RAW. The stories told on each show could be so unique. Enough time has passed with RAW as a "Supershow" that I feel it would almost be fresh and exciting if you had to tune in to SmackDown to see certain Superstars.

[Tazz Dan]

I fucking hate how WWE call every MiTB winner 'Mr. Money In The Bank' now. That was RVD's tagline when he won. Seriously grinds my gears.

[James Steele]

Better than calling them "The ________ Championship Contract Money In The Bank Match Winner".

[Tazz Dan]

No. No it's not.

[Road Warrior]

The Cody Rhodes face turn is idiotic. The whole idea, from what I gather, is he's upset that in a match where it's everyone for themselves his partner shoved him off the ladder so that he (Sandow) could win the match ? This type of angle really only works to turn someone heel after they become jealous, not the other way around. Cody isn't over enough for the fans to care he got screwed. I assume they really only did this to propel Sandow to upper mid card/ ME status anyway, but it's still stupid.

[James Steele]

I think it is the manner in which Sandow turned on Rhodes. You can compete in the same contest with your brother for the same prize, but that doesn't mean you have to break every bone in his body.

[James Steele]

Remember, shades of grey instead of black and white.

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[Tazz Dan]

The Cody Rhodes face turn is idiotic. The whole idea, from what I gather, is he's upset that in a match where it's everyone for themselves his partner shoved him off the ladder so that he (Sandow) could win the match ? This type of angle really only works to turn someone heel after they become jealous, not the other way around. Cody isn't over enough for the fans to care he got screwed. I assume they really only did this to propel Sandow to upper mid card/ ME status anyway, but it's still stupid.

No.

[Tazz Dan]

Fuck you all. I'm closing this thread.

[Road Warrior]

I think it is the manner in which Sandow turned on Rhodes. You can compete in the same contest with your brother for the same prize, but that doesn't mean you have to break every bone in his body.

Sandow did nothing to turn on Rhodes.

[Road Warrior]

No.

yes

[Cool King]

The Cody Rhodes face turn is idiotic. The whole idea, from what I gather, is he's upset that in a match where it's everyone for themselves his partner shoved him off the ladder so that he (Sandow) could win the match ? This type of angle really only works to turn someone heel after they become jealous, not the other way around. Cody isn't over enough for the fans to care he got screwed. I assume they really only did this to propel Sandow to upper mid card/ ME status anyway, but it's still stupid.

Look at it this way, say you and your best friend went to some laser tag or paintball competition and it was every man for themselves and you went around eliminating everyone else but your best friend decided to hide away somewhere, then right at the end when nobody was around due to elimination, your best friend appears from his hiding place and shoots you from behind, thus eliminating you and becoming the winner.

You would probably be pretty pissed off with him.

[Cool King]

Also, in my opinion, Cody is over with the fans, especially after MITB. The crowd was behind Cody during the MITB match, despite being a heel at that time. What Sandow did to Cody gave the crowd a reason to hate Sandow more and feel sorry for Cody. Not only because Sandow screwed his best friend, but also because he screwed over the guy that the crowd were behind. The crowd wanted Cody to win and he nearly did win but Sandow put a stop to it and won the match himself and didn't even show any signs of remorse.

The next night on Raw pretty much cemented Cody's role as a face. He ran out and attacked Sandow for what he did to him the previous night, and the crowd loved it and you could hear that they were firmly behind him. Add in the fact that Sandow did the classic cowardly running away thing, and it gave the crowd more reason to get behind Cody.

[Lock Jaw]

I really hope Sandow doesn't become a World Champion. The dude is just too much of a "gimmick" (and not in a good way) for me to take seriously.

[Innovator]

The crowd has been begging to have a reason to back Cody for a long time, since Legacy. He's more complete now than he was then, with his run under the mask building him up as an overall package.

[James Steele]

I'm hoping somehow they have Cody "outsmart" Sandow and trick him into putting the MITB contract on the line and winning it at SummerSlam. I know it cheapens MITB, but it is already watered down to the point where this would be more interesting than the normal use of the briefcase.

[James Steele]

They could easily stretch Rhodes/Sandow to Survivor Series. Have the blowoff for the briefcase at Survivor Series.

[Tommy Gunn]

The Usos actually have some sweet moves, too bad they look like a tag team from my '93 WWF sticker book.

[Innovator]

They also borrowed High Energy's ring gear from Koko

[Tazz Dan]

THIS IS A FUCKING WHINGE THREAD, NOT A 'OH THE USO'S HAVE SWEET MOVES THREAD'.

I'm closing this.

[#1-norm-fan]

I really hope Sandow doesn't become a World Champion. The dude is just too much of a "gimmick" (and not in a good way) for me to take seriously.

I kinda see what you're saying. The guy is stellar. One of the best overall performers in the company. But he comes off as one of those guys that are great to watch but don't really fit as a guy at the top.

Luckily for him the WHC hasn't signified being at the top for a long time so he's good to go.

[Ultra Mantis]

Whichever Uso does the Rikishi butt bump move should have bleached blonde hair, possibly a beard, then we can tell them apart and know which one deserves a push to the moon when they split up.

[Tazz Dan]

'WWE have signed KENTA. They're going to ruin his gimmick'

'KENTA invented the GTS and Running Knee. CM Punk and Daniel Bryan are shit for stealing his moves'

'KENTA won't be able to use his moves because CM Punk is returning at SummerSlam, and because Daniel Bryan will keep using the running knee'.

[Tazz Dan]

These are things I have seen continually posted in WWE's Facebook, Instagram, and twitter.

[whiteyford]

Think they'll acknowledge he created the GTS since Punk's on the outs, segue into a feud if/when he returns.

[Fignuts]

Could actually be a great way to bring him in. He's pissed at everyone stealing his moves so he came to the WWE to show everyone how it's done.

FIGNUTS FUN FACT: When CM Punk first hit WWECW, he wasn't using the GTS, but he was using KENTA's strike combination.

[Shisen Kopf]

THIS IS A FUCKING WHINGE THREAD, NOT A 'OH THE USO'S HAVE SWEET MOVES THREAD'.

I'm closing this.

This is now the official "USO's have sweet moves thread"

[drave]

USO Crazy!

[Shisen Kopf]

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[drave]

Flying USO's!!!

[Cool King]

'WWE have signed KENTA. They're going to ruin his gimmick'

'KENTA invented the GTS and Running Knee. CM Punk and Daniel Bryan are shit for stealing his moves'

'KENTA won't be able to use his moves because CM Punk is returning at SummerSlam, and because Daniel Bryan will keep using the running knee'.

These are things I have seen continually posted in WWE's Facebook, Instagram, and twitter.

Reading the comments on the WWE's social media pages can be entertaining. Though some of them can be pretty ludicrous at times.

[Shisen Kopf]

I didn't say RACE riot you stupid son of a bitch dickwad, I just said RIOT, like when the Lakers win an NBA championship, which was 50 years ago it seems.

I think your wish came true

[Bad News Gertner]

Ouch

[Bad News Gertner]

Hahaha I remember this thread. I was all about the RYBACK then.

[xrodmuc316]

Hahaha I remember this thread. I was all about the RYBACK then.

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Ryback was freaking awesome!

[Lock Jaw]

'Member when they tried to get people behind The Ryback again by having him come out and do a promo about The Secret?

[XL]

That was his idea, I think.

[#1-norm-fan]

‘Member when they turned him face again and made him a focal point of the build to Survivor Series by having him turn on The Authority and join Team Cena... only to have him be the first elimination.

[#1-norm-fan]

The damage had already been done long ago. But still. Such a fucking waste.

[Evil Vito]

In an alternate universe, The Ryback is a multi-time World Heavyweight Champion and future Hall of Famer.

[Evil Vito]

Remember when they brought Goldberg back basically as soon as they let Ryback go? Ugh.

[Bad News Gertner]

In an alternate universe, The Ryback is a multi-time World Heavyweight Champion and future Hall of Famer.

By alternate, you mean my universe

[Bad News Gertner]

The damage had already been done long ago. But still. Such a fucking waste.

Lol Ryback leaving is what caused me to stop watching current watching and start watching old stuff. I was so mad when he lost to fucking Mark Henry at Wrestlemania.

[Evil Vito]

lol I was at that Mania and everyone in the crowd were absolutely baffled at Henry going over

Big Show 100% should've been WHW champion going into Mania and Ryback could've Shell Shocked him to win the belt.

[Evil Vito]

In hindsight it shouldn’t have been that big of a surprise. It’s been a trend in the last decade or so to make sure everybody loses their first Mania match and I think it’s by design to make The Streak look even more impressive over time.

[Bad News Gertner]

He had lost every PPV match building up to that match. Icing on the horseshit cake.

[Bad News Gertner]

Started with HIAC

Lost to CM Punk

Lost to CM Punk and Cena in a Triple Threat match at Survivor Series

Lost to the Shield at TLC

Made it to the end at the Royal Rumble, eliminated by Cena

Lost at EC to the Shield

Lost to Mark Henry in the 3rd match at WrestleMania

Turned heel

No Contest with Cena at Extreme Rules

Lost vs Cena at Payback

Finally won at MITB against Jericho



and that's how they completely killed Ryback dead

People can say what they want about Ryback, but there's no question that he was over and the company did little to capitalize

[Big Vic]

Lol Ryback leaving is what caused me to stop watching current watching and start watching old stuff. I was so mad when he lost to fucking Mark Henry at Wrestlemania.

And then they gave him the title shot program against Cena the next night

[Bad News Gertner]

Lol like how does that make sense.

[#1-norm-fan]

That ending of Raw where CM Punk attacked Mick Foley backstage and then looked up in horror before the camera showed Ryback standing there...

And then when he finally got his hands on Punk and the crowd went fucking attitude era-level bezerk.

They built him up perfectly and got the exact reaction they wanted. It’s insane that they didn’t follow up on it.

[Fignuts]

Started with HIAC

Lost to CM Punk

Lost to CM Punk and Cena in a Triple Threat match at Survivor Series

Lost to the Shield at TLC

Made it to the end at the Royal Rumble, eliminated by Cena

Lost at EC to the Shield

Lost to Mark Henry in the 3rd match at WrestleMania

Turned heel

No Contest with Cena at Extreme Rules

Lost vs Cena at Payback

Finally won at MITB against Jericho



and that's how they completely killed Ryback dead

People can say what they want about Ryback, but there's no question that he was over and the company did little to capitalize

Par for the course. They rarely capitalize on people getting over. Based on what we heard from Arn Anderson, most of the time it's intentional and Ryback may have been a victim of that.

From a ruthless business perspective, it makes sense. Why risk creating another Austin or Rock that becomes bigger than the WWE and harder and more costly to control, when you're already making the highest profits the company has ever seen? You don't need that big crossover star.

Sure sucks for the fans though.

[slik]

Started with HIAC

Lost to CM Punk

Lost to CM Punk and Cena in a Triple Threat match at Survivor Series

Lost to the Shield at TLC

Made it to the end at the Royal Rumble, eliminated by Cena

Lost at EC to the Shield

Lost to Mark Henry in the 3rd match at WrestleMania

Turned heel

No Contest with Cena at Extreme Rules

Lost vs Cena at Payback

Finally won at MITB against Jericho



and that's how they completely killed Ryback dead

People can say what they want about Ryback, but there's no question that he was over and the company did little to capitalize

Nailed it!

[XL]

I’d forgotten about that Mark Henry vs Ryback match at Mania. Has to be up there on the list of “Wrong Guy Went Over”.

[#1-norm-fan]

Par for the course. They rarely capitalize on people getting over. Based on what we heard from Arn Anderson, most of the time it's intentional and Ryback may have been a victim of that.

From a ruthless business perspective, it makes sense. Why risk creating another Austin or Rock that becomes bigger than the WWE and harder and more costly to control, when you're already making the highest profits the company has ever seen? You don't need that big crossover star.

Sure sucks for the fans though.

Right, but you have to understand you’re still making the money you’re making BECAUSE of the stars that have been made. Hogan, Austin, Rock and even Cena are indirectly responsible for the money WWE has been making over recent years. It sure as fuck isn’t Seth Rollins or Roman Reigns or Drew McIntyre.

The smart thing to do is to just keep finding and building stars. If they become “too big” for wrestling, cool. You’ve just infiltrated the mainstream with another guy you can bring back once in a while as a special attraction. Maybe eventually you’ll have enough of those guys and you won’t have to get non-wrestlers like Gronk to come in because you’ve spent years killing your mainstream appeal.

[#1-norm-fan]

I’d forgotten about that Mark Henry vs Ryback match at Mania. Has to be up there on the list of “Wrong Guy Went Over”.

I’m gonna go ahead and just make the claim.

It’s #1. Fight me.

[Lock Jaw]

In an alternate universe, The Ryback is a multi-time World Heavyweight Champion and future Hall of Famer.

By alternate, you mean my universe

Gernter's universe of The Ryback vs. Heath Slater vs Percy Watson main eventing Rasslemania

[Bad News Gertner]

And another thing! Why the fuck did they take Percy Watson's gimmick from him when he came back to NXT!!!!!

[xrodmuc316]

Lol Ryback leaving is what caused me to stop watching current watching and start watching old stuff. I was so mad when he lost to fucking Mark Henry at Wrestlemania.

Don't forget, not only did he job to Henry, that was the Mania Jericho wanted to work with, and put Ryback over. He went from beating Jericho at Mania, to losing to Mark Henry.

At least Vince got what he wanted, Fandango got to win his Mania debut lol.

[xrodmuc316]

I’m gonna go ahead and just make the claim.

It’s #1. Fight me.

See my previous post. Vince made some good money on his theme music though :lol:

[#1-norm-fan]

Fandango absolutely should have beaten Jericho and it should have been the start of a huge push. Fandango is a great athlete, good in the ring, looks like a movie star and is insanely charismatic. Him and Ryback are my 1 & 2 on the list of WWE’s recent dropped balls.

[xrodmuc316]

Fandango absolutely should have beaten Jericho and it should have been the start of a huge push. Fandango is a great athlete, good in the ring, looks like a movie star and is insanely charismatic. Him and Ryback are my 1 & 2 on the list of WWE’s recent dropped balls.

Fair, at the time Ryback losing was more baffling. That said, hindsight says it's crazy that an all time great like Jericho took a loss at the biggest show to Fandango.

At least Mark Henry is a former World Champ and Hall of Famer.

[Evil Vito]

Fandango should've never been Fandango because Johnny Curtis should've been given a push well before that.

[Evil Vito]

Johnny Curtis' real breakout was when NXT Redemption abandoned the game show format and just embraced that it was Superstars with storylines. Basically everyone that couldn't get booked on Raw or SmackDown was doing fun stuff on NXT.

[Lock Jaw]

Yeah, Johnny Curtis and Maxine coulda been huge

[XL]

I think we’re in the timeline where we never get Johnny Curtis bonafide superstar. #DarkestTimeline