best talent to never win a world title?

[NormanSmiley]

discuss opinion and reasoning

[Shisen Kopf]

Norman Smiley

[NormanSmiley]

too much wiggle, not enough beating Meng

[Corndad]

Piper? Don't think he ever won a Major World Title.

[The Condor]

Piper/Goldust. Goldust should have had even a short run, just to see how it would go down.

[CSL]

define world title, WWF/E and WCW?

[Classy and Gassy]

Jake Roberts- wouldve been a great heel champ

[Shisen Kopf]

Bushwhacker Luke

[The Condor]

Jake Roberts- wouldve been a great heel champ

Slipped my mind.

[NormanSmiley]

defining the title i think is something for each poster to do on their own. I myself consider it the WWf title and wcw world title. but for some an AWA title may count, and ECW may count.

[Shadrick]

Piper.

[CSL]

Rick Rude, Ted DiBiase, Curt Hennig and Scott Hall for me

[Corporate CockSnogger]

Scott Hall, Billy Gunn.

[Heisenberg]

Million Dollar Man Ted DiBiase
Rick Martel
Mr. Perfect

Heels that stood out in my childhood and should of had their run in the sun.

[DrCrawford]

Mr. Perfect

[CSL]

Owen Hart

[Shisen Kopf]

British Bulldog

[Savio]

Chavo Guerrero has more world title runs than the Million Dollar Man

[James Steele]

Curt Hennig comes to kind first. Then Piper, Bulldog, Owen, and Jake Roberts.

I am thinking WWE and WCW Championships.

[NormanSmiley]

do you think curt's size or lack of was the only reason vince didnt have him go over Hogan? mr perfect was a hot heel especially with the genius sidekick where an interference caused pin for perfect would have been believable as hell at the time.

think it was more vince was still into the big bulky guys should have the title or more Hogan having pull then?

[whiteyford]

do you think curt's size or lack of was the only reason vince didnt have him go over Hogan? mr perfect was a hot heel especially with the genius sidekick where an interference caused pin for perfect would have been believable as hell at the time.

think it was more vince was still into the big bulky guys should have the title or more Hogan having pull then?

Just think was a bigger draw with the belt than chasing it.

[Joesgonnakillyou]

Piper is number 1 for me then Jake Roberts, Mr. Perfect and Rick Rude.


I suppose Scott Hall can go in there as well.

[Cool King]

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[whiteyford]

Supposedly he was real close before his last suspension :'(

[whiteyford]

Bigelow? Think he held the ECW belt though.

[Emperor Smeat]

Mr Perfect

Would Andre the Giant count?

He did "win" his match although DiBiase rigged the whole thing which ended up having Andre lose the belt and the match treated like it never occurred (ex. Jericho's and Ziggler's 1st reign).

[Rammsteinmad]

Chavo Guerrero has more world title runs than the Million Dollar Man

Gonna risk loads of heat by saying that I have no problem with that.

[Rollermacka]

El Dandy

[Savio]

Gonna risk loads of heat by saying that I have no problem with that.
So does Vince Russo

[Vastardikai]

Didn't Hennig hold the AWA Title? If so, that did count as a World Title at one point (in the '70s and '80s)

A controversial Answer the question rather controversially: Barry Horrowitz.

I'd rather say William Regal

[mike adamle]

Easily Owen Hart, best pure wrestler ever.

[RiX1024]

Hennig, Rude, Bulldog, Owen, DiBiase, Regal, Jake Roberts, Piper, Orndorff, Hall too many top list.

[CSL]

Didn't Hennig hold the AWA Title? If so, that did count as a World Title at one point (in the '70s and '80s)

he did but that belt was worthless by the time he got round to winning it

[NormanSmiley]

how do you think owen would have drawn as champion?

[Shadrick]

Rick Rude, Ted DiBiase, Curt Hennig and Scott Hall for me

All of these guys, definitely.

[mike adamle]

If people like CM Punk and Daniel Bryan are getting the belt now then Owen should have gotten it as well. Preferably would've had him win the Submission match at Survivor Series 1994 instead of having Bob Backlund in there, although the match was still a classic in its own right.

[Wishbone]

Piper comes to mind first and foremost, but a lot of the people mentioned in this thread deserved it too.

[Rammsteinmad]

"Primetime" Elix Skipper.

[Rollermacka]

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Will Sasso, Bret was soo jealous of him :nono:

[Jp69]

Going into the archives of Jim Crockett Promotions and saying Magnum TA.

[Pardeep 619]

how do you think owen would have drawn as champion?

Badly

[Keith]

Scott Hall.

[Pardeep 619]

It has to be either Roddy Piper, Million Dollar Man or Jake Roberts. Out of the 3 it would have to be Piper because he did great business when in the main events for WWE. Who knows where business would be today had it not been for Piper at Wrestlemania 1.

A lot of other people mentioned in this topic have won a World Title somewhere, whether it'd be in AWA or WCW.

[Theo Dious]

Ted Dibiase. Close the fucking thread.

[Ultra Mantis]

Carlito

But also Rude, Mr Perfect, DiBiase, Jake Roberts, Piper, Hall, etc

[Fox]

Blitzkrieg

:shifty:

[Fox]

Probably Steamboat.

[#1-norm-fan]

Steamboat would be my choice if you don't count the NWA title.

I would definitely count the pre-WCW NWA title though so Piper or DiBiase.

[CSL]

yah, NWA is def a world title and even when Steamboat won it it was basically the WCW title

[#1-norm-fan]

Definitely.

Probably wouldn't count it now though.

[#1-norm-fan]

At least not in the spirit of this question.

[Tazz Dan]

Owen, Hennig, Piper, Hall.

[Juan]

Ted Dibiase. Close the fucking thread.

Why?

[Shisen Kopf]

Stop being an intolerant bully Juan

[Heisenberg]

"Hey Curt we miss you but we know you're in a better place
It's kinda hard as time goes on and I don't see your face
So I'm clinchin' and I'm holdin' on to memories
Remember the times rollin' strong just you and me
It's real hard sometimes to keep it goin' day to day
But I know you wouldn't want it any other way
So I keep it movin' doin' what I gotta do
And as a tribute I'm dedicating this song to you"

-Macho Man to Mr. Perfect

[Blakeamus]

Owen Hart

:y:

[Black Widow]

Kofi kingston is my choice.

[Theo Dious]

Why?

Because the idea that there was a better talent to never hold a world title is ludicrous to me and it therefore displeases me that anyone would give any other answer. The subject is therefore not worth additional discussion in my eyes and I wish for you filthy insects to depart from my sight.

[Theo Dious]

Oh, and, um, Mexicans, illegal immigrants, sombreros and beans and such.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Probably Steamboat.

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[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Hennig, Rude, Bulldog, Owen, DiBiase, Regal, Jake Roberts, Piper, Orndorff, Hall too many top list.

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WCW International World Heavyweight Championship though, but I still say it counts.

[Impeccable]

Nailz

[DAMN iNATOR]

It’s probably not the most popular answer, but if 7/7 never happened, along with content on that night's episode of SmackDown!, I think Hassan would have become a world champ at some point.

Or IMHO he should have.

[mike adamle]

Ted Dibiase. Close the fucking thread.

Personally think DiBiase was overrated as fuck (in the ring, his character was gold.)

[Saving Grace]

Personally think DiBiase was overrated as fuck (in the ring, his character was gold.)

Have to remember by the time his Million Dollar Man character was created and he entered the world wrestling federation in 1984, Dibiase had already been in the business for 13 years, some of that magic and longevity with him was already gone. World Champion material, probably not, but definately a character that no one would ever forget and a fitting example to mic work, in ring psychology, and excellent delivery of story lines, by far Million Dollar Man goes into history as one of the most remembered and greatest heels in the business, that's hall of fame material but definately did not win him World Champion material for whatever reason.

[Dante69]

Piper was WCW champion
Hennig was AWA champion
So i choose Scott Hall

[Swiss Ultimate]

Chyna

[mike adamle]

Piper was WCW champion
Hennig was AWA champion
So i choose Scott Hall

When was Piper WCW champ?

[Bad News Gertner]

Scott Hall. End thread.

[Bad News Gertner]

Owen Hart wouldn't have drawn shit as much as I loved him

No friggen way should the WWF have taken the belt off Hogan and put it on Perfect. Pretty sure they did the house show circuit and it didn't draw.

[Shisen Kopf]

Owen Hart wouldnt have drawn nearly as much as Bret. The greatest Canadian of all time.

[NormanSmiley]

[quote=Dante69;4118042]Piper was WCW champion
quote]

when?

[Theo Dious]

When was Piper WCW champ?

I could have sworn this was so, but I looked it up and apparently not. I think I was getting thrown off due to his Starrcade win over Hogan when Hogan was champion, but it was a non-title match, which was retarded as hell.

[Flash Funk]

Dean Ambrose

[The MAC]

owen did win it from bret , yes he did.

[RiX1024]

Pillman

[Fignuts]

Regal.

[Bad News Gertner]

Kofi kingston is my choice.

Stick to making sandwiches will ya broad.

[Rollermacka]

I could have sworn this was so, but I looked it up and apparently not. I think I was getting thrown off due to his Starrcade win over Hogan when Hogan was champion, but it was a non-title match, which was retarded as hell.

Yea, there was like 3 matches where Piper beat Hogan and walked way with the title... but none of the matches were for the World Title. I didn't understand it either.

[Dante69]

Piper was WCW champion
Hennig was AWA champion
So i choose Scott Hall

NWA Americas Heavyweight Championship = Piper

[Theo Dious]

Yea, there was like 3 matches where Piper beat Hogan and walked way with the title... but none of the matches were for the World Title. I didn't understand it either.

What's to understand, WCW was run by a bunch of mental defectives.

[mike adamle]

Owen Hart wouldn't have drawn shit as much as I loved him

No friggen way should the WWF have taken the belt off Hogan and put it on Perfect. Pretty sure they did the house show circuit and it didn't draw.

Did Bob Backlund draw in his 3 or 4 days as champion? Honestly replacing Backlund with Owen in that wouldn't have changed a damn thing except give Owen a World Title reign on his resume.