you are VKM. You have a time machine & hindsight [Archive]

Ermaximus

03-05-2013, 07:28 PM

Skippord

03-05-2013, 07:30 PM

I probably don't let Owen Hart pile drive Stone Cold

whiteyford

03-05-2013, 07:32 PM

Wouldn't do the Montreal Screw Job.

Wouldn't push Maven, Steiner, or Lashley.

Would push Ryder, Christian, and Kofi, to the moon.

Wouldn't make big scary guys faces that aren't intimidating at all, IE Henry, Albert, Brodus, etc.

I was with you until the Steiner part, you need to give him a live mic and just let him cut promo after promo, even when they're not on tv he needs to have a live mic at all times.

Razzamajazz

03-05-2013, 07:35 PM

Book the Invasion angle right, maybe spend a little and get the big names early.

this. so much wasted potential.

just think of how much money it could have brought in

Bad News Gertner

03-05-2013, 07:36 PM

Vince was right to do the Screwjob. It got rid of that over-rated, no drawing piece of shit, and it set off one of the greatest heels in history: Vince himself.

Going back in time, I'd say the Invasion angle as well. I enjoyed it, but so much more could have been done.

Ermaximus

03-05-2013, 07:36 PM

Wait, how do we know you meant Vincent Kennedy McMahon and not Voodoo Kin Mafia?

Ermaximus

03-05-2013, 07:38 PM

I was with you until the Steiner part, you need to give him a live mic and just let him cut promo after promo, even when they're not on tv he needs to have a live mic at all times.

Compromise then?

He never wrestles, but gets a 20 minute allotted promo show every week like Piper's Pit or Miz Tv?

Bad News Gertner

03-05-2013, 07:39 PM

Wouldn't do the Montreal Screw Job.

Wouldn't push Maven, Steiner, or Lashley.

Would push Ryder, Christian, and Kofi, to the moon.

Wouldn't make big scary guys faces that aren't intimidating at all, IE Henry, Albert, Brodus, etc.

Kofi can't talk, Ryder is mid card at best and Christian pretty much fulfilled his potential. He blows as a face.

Ermaximus

03-05-2013, 07:41 PM

Kofi can't talk, Ryder is mid card at best and Christian pretty much fulfilled his potential. He blows as a face.

He was a legit badass heel back in 04-05 though. The problem with him is that they didn't make him a main eventer until it was too late.

Bad News Gertner

03-05-2013, 07:42 PM

Yeah, Christian with Tomko was pretty awesome. Enjoyed them immensely.

Theo Dious

03-05-2013, 08:42 PM

Wouldn't do the Montreal Screw Job.

You wouldn't do the thing that gave Steve Austin the perfect heel machine to propel him and your company higher than ever?

Keith

03-05-2013, 09:05 PM

The only thing I can think of that VKM would probably do different is pushing the Ultimate Warrior as the "heir apparent" to Hulk Hogan back in 1990.

That didn't exactly work out the way Vince envisioned. Warrior just didn't have that love and passion for wrestling.

And bringing him back in '96 was even worse.

Wishbone

03-05-2013, 09:08 PM

Go back in time and make John Cena stop wearing the fucking jorts and give him a pair of decent trunks or tights because I can't fucking stand Cena's ring gear... On a serious note though I'd probably go back and implement the wellness policy sooner and actually take it more seriously. Might have saved some good, talented men's lives that way.

Savio

03-05-2013, 09:16 PM

Wouldn't do the Montreal Screw Job.
Oh this helped the WWF 10 fold

Keith

03-05-2013, 09:18 PM

Oh this helped the WWF 10 fold

Some wrestlers, like X-Pac, say Bret and Vince were both in on this, that it was all a work.

IDK.

Savio

03-05-2013, 09:20 PM

If you watch bret harts DVD it kinda seems like that would be a solution bret would come up with....but in that same movie his wife looked legit pissed.

Corporate CockSnogger

03-05-2013, 09:25 PM

"The Rated R Superstar" Billy Gunn
"The Cerebral Assasin" Billy Gunn
"The Legend Killer" Billy Gunn

All would've been good alternatives for Vinnie Mac if he wanted to alter something for the better.

Nicky Fives

03-05-2013, 09:25 PM

I likely enjoyed the Invasion angle more than most, but the potential of that is just too great to re-do.... the whole Over The Edge thing would also be on that list as well.....

Keith

03-05-2013, 09:29 PM

If you watch bret harts DVD it kinda seems like that would be a solution bret would come up with....but in that same movie his wife looked legit pissed.

Well, Bret was cheating on her for years while on the road, so she was oblivious to everything that was going on back then lol.

Theo Dious

03-05-2013, 09:29 PM

Some wrestlers, like X-Pac, say Bret and Vince were both in on this, that it was all a work.

I can't believe anyone is still entertaining this as an actual possibility.

Ruien

03-05-2013, 09:29 PM

Beniot would have been fired and offered a spot in rehab two months before he snapped.

Keith

03-05-2013, 09:33 PM

I can't believe anyone is still entertaining this as an actual possibility.

Part of me believes it.

It's just kinda "convenient" that as all this was going down, Bret all of a sudden had decided to shoot a documentary that gained all-access to WWF's backstage scene.

IDK.

The Condor

03-05-2013, 11:54 PM

Send Stephanie to a boarding school and make sure she never comes in contact with Triple H

Keith

03-05-2013, 11:57 PM

Send Stephanie to a boarding school and make sure she never comes in contact with Randy Savage

Rock Bottom

03-06-2013, 12:02 AM

XFL and Owen Hart, realistically.

Rock Bottom

03-06-2013, 12:03 AM

Time travel is real, so let's keep this real.

whiteyford

03-06-2013, 04:42 AM

Compromise then?

He never wrestles, but gets a 20 minute allotted promo show every week like Piper's Pit or Miz Tv?

Just fit him with a mic and set up a different audio feed for him, or make him the social media ambassador, nothing bad could happen right?

Ermaximus

03-06-2013, 12:46 PM

"The Rated R Superstar" Billy Gunn
"The Cerebral Assasin" Billy Gunn
"The Legend Killer" Billy Gunn

All would've been good alternatives for Vinnie Mac if he wanted to alter something for the better.

"The One" Bob Holly

whiteyford

03-06-2013, 12:50 PM

"The Next Big Thing" Funaki.

Wait, I'm doing it wrong.

whiteyford

03-06-2013, 12:53 PM

If you watch bret harts DVD it kinda seems like that would be a solution bret would come up with....but in that same movie his wife looked legit pissed.

On paper everybody won, in reality Bret got fucked in WCW.

Emperor Smeat

03-06-2013, 02:34 PM

Don't give Hogan almost absolute creative control as a clause in his contract.

Did a lot more bad than good after a few years in the WWF and almost the entire time he was in WCW.

Flash Funk

03-06-2013, 07:54 PM

Bring Macho back for a few appearances and HOF induction before he died.

Curd

03-06-2013, 08:11 PM

Have Kane win the 2001 Royal Rumble. Austin already had two Rumble victories and didn't need another Rumble victory going into his Two-Man Power Trip / Alliance heel turn.

Bad News Gertner

03-06-2013, 08:31 PM

Don't give Hogan almost absolute creative control as a clause in his contract.

Did a lot more bad than good after a few years in the WWF and almost the entire time he was in WCW.

From 85-98 Hogan was gold so I don't know how you can say that.

Classy and Gassy

03-06-2013, 08:44 PM

walk gingerly to the ring at the end of the Rumble 2005 to restart it

Corporate CockSnogger

03-06-2013, 08:50 PM

Lol Vince sitting down in the ring barking orders is one of the most hilarious things to happen in wrestling.

Tom Guycott

03-07-2013, 12:41 AM

I was going to say not to do that ridiculous "two man war" against WWE, but then I realised you actually meant Vinnie Mac. I thought you meant the TNA tag team that couldn't be known as the New Age Outlaws.

HTrain90

03-07-2013, 02:31 AM

Do NOT send Owen into the rafters in '99.

Everything else just seems so small in comparison to that.

Krimzon7

03-07-2013, 06:57 AM

If this is an issue of hindsight, figure out a way to save Eddie, Benoit, Test, Owen, and numerous other wrestlers who have died too soon.

Also, I'd probably not push Brock to the moon if he is still hell bent on leaving after becoming a champion and the face of your organization.

Bad News Gertner

03-07-2013, 07:08 AM

Brock was massively over. He had to be champ.

Shisen Kopf

03-07-2013, 07:47 AM

Don't let Macho Man babysit Stephanie.

Theo Dious

03-07-2013, 07:50 AM

Send Stephanie to a boarding school and make sure she never comes in contact with Triple H

Exactly why?

Theo Dious

03-07-2013, 07:55 AM

Brock was massively over. He had to be champ.

He got too much way too fast. If his push had been more judicious and some incentive had been laid out in front of him, he may not have gotten bored and decided to try out for football. Ryback was massively over as well but they did the right thing by making sure he didn't get to the top too easily. They're doing what they should have done for Brock. They're also doing what WCW should have done for Goldberg by making sure he can retain his popularity while losing as much as he could while winning. Granted, Ryback by all accounts has a love for the business neither of those other two ever did, but they're still taking good care of him in that way.

Anybody Thrilla

03-07-2013, 03:45 PM

Brock had to be champ. You can compare him to Ryback and Goldberg if you want, but Brock was so much more talented that it doesn't even make sense.

Goldberg was clearly just looking for paydays. Ryback has a passion for the business...because he couldn't realistically do anything else as well as Brock could have. Brock almost made the Vikings and was a UFC heavyweight champion. A one of a kind athlete. I kinda see where he was coming from.

#1-norm-fan

03-07-2013, 05:00 PM

Kofi can't talk, Ryder is mid card at best and Christian pretty much fulfilled his potential. He blows as a face.

Christian has this "slapstick-like" moveset that is fucking brilliant for a face. It's why I like him as a face more than as a heel. The escape from the corner into the double kick, the slide under the ropes into a simple punch, the Piper-esque eye poke. It's unique to see a face who's pushed as a serious contender (atleast moreso than someone like Santino) actually have fun fucking with the heel like that and making him look stupid. It gives him a connection with the crowd. I enjoyed his face matches when he was the top guy in ECW immensely because of it.

Anybody Thrilla

03-07-2013, 05:15 PM

Christian's ECW face run was fantastic.

Ultra Mantis

03-07-2013, 05:52 PM

It's pretty hard to be interesting as a face when all you're doing is making the heel of the month look great.

#1-norm-fan

03-07-2013, 05:55 PM

Which is why his ECW face run was fantastic. It gave him a chance to be the top dog that he wouldn't have on the "real" shows and he got to be that fun-loving but successful face.

Kane Knight

03-07-2013, 06:39 PM

If this is an issue of hindsight, figure out a way to save Eddie, Benoit, Test, Owen, and numerous other wrestlers who have died too soon.

Seeing as how one of the primary reasons they're dead is greed, and that greed is probably the only reason Vince is so rich, that might cause a paradox.

Outsider

03-07-2013, 09:08 PM

So I have the ability to take the form of anyone I want.....and a time machine.

I will not be using this for anything wrestling related.

voncouch

03-08-2013, 10:36 AM

1) Don't start up the XFL
2) Put the money towards buying out WCW talent from their contracts after purchasing the company
3) Book the Invasion angle with top-tier WCW talent
4) ????
5) PROFIT!!!!

Savio

03-08-2013, 11:03 AM

Do NOT send Owen into the rafters in '99.

Everything else just seems so small in comparison to that.
Warn the Gov about 9/11

Fox

03-08-2013, 03:22 PM

- Fire "Paul Levesque" right after the Curtain Call incident
- Make sure Shane McMahon is positioned, prepared and readied to take the helm of the WWE empire so that the company stays in the McMahon name for the forseeable future.

Theo Dious

03-10-2013, 12:41 PM

Brock had to be champ. You can compare him to Ryback and Goldberg if you want, but Brock was so much more talented that it doesn't even make sense.

I do know this, but he should have had a longer road to it. Let him build up the respect and appreciation for the business he was in. That was it would be entirely possible that if he still decided to leave, WWE would have lost a rising star instead of the guy they were trying to build the company on.

Theo Dious

03-10-2013, 12:44 PM

- Fire "Paul Levesque" right after the Curtain Call incident

Again, why? What egregious damage to WWE has HHH done that makes you want to wipe him away?

- Make sure Shane McMahon is positioned, prepared and readied to take the helm of the WWE empire so that the company stays in the McMahon name for the forseeable future.

So, in other words, make him do something he didn't want to do? And how would you do this? And the company will remain in the family; even someone with as few feminist sympathies as I can see that the changing of the "family name" only offends the sensibilities of those with seriously outmoded patriarchal biases.

Fox

03-10-2013, 08:06 PM

I am of the opinion that Triple H does not know what's good for business. I think he's had a great career as a professional wrestler, but the idea that the Kliq is actually going to OWN the biggest wrestling organization in history is a bit difficult for me to handle. I always thought Shane would make a great successor to Vince.

It's my fucking time machine, Tedious.