Current WWE guys who have "no future" ?

[PrettyCool]

What are some current WWE stars who u think are pretty sure have no future in WWE other than to be released eventually?
Heres who I think,

Zach Ryder
Curt Hawkins
Heath Slater
David Otunga
Jinder Mahal
Khali
Drew McIntyre
Natalya
Tamina

[Skippord]

not all of those people are guys

[PrettyCool]

Guyw can refer to both men and women. Most of the cashiwrs at work are women yet when I come in the morning I still say Hi guys or what up guys and they say hello back

[Skippord]

they're probably really offended

[JKWJRMON]

What are some current WWE stars who u think are pretty sure have no future in WWE other than to be released eventually?
Heres who I think,

Zach Ryder
Curt Hawkins
Heath Slater
David Otunga
Jinder Mahal
Khali
Drew McIntyre
Natalya
Tamina

Don't forget Sin Cara.

[The Whole F'n Show]

fan dan go

[The Condor]

Christian

[Lock Jaw]

fan dan go

Ssssssh shut your mouth.


Christian


You really shut your mouth. :foc:

[screech]

Christian

You shut your whore mouth

[Cool King]

http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/slides/photos/001/512/006/JTG-psd9571_display_image.png?1320287320

[The Condor]

Just speaking the truth. Everyone knows he's the Canadian stepchild of the DubDubEee

[Arrogance]

Pretty sure the Fandango gimmick has no future. If he can get rid of it somehow, different story for him.

[erickman]

heath slater is the only one on your list i do not agree with, ok he is jobber for life but i always see him working. thr guy gets moves and faces over.

[Cool King]

I miss pre-3MB Slater.

[Theo Dious]

Otunga could easily have a future if they actually did something with him. He got great reactions when he was Johnny Ace's adviser and all he had to do was show up and sip coffee and get squashed once in a while. They should have tossed him in to the movie feud with Miz and Barrett.

[Theo Dious]

I miss pre-3MB Slater.

You mean when he was exactly the same except by himself?

[Curd]

they're probably really offended

Given the tendency to minimize gender differences in the US, I highly doubt that would be commonly offensive. Similarly in Spanish, ellos refers to both an all-male group or to a mixed-sex group, whereas ellas refers only to an all-female group. That is just like saying "guys" to refer to men and women.

[Curd]

Otunga could easily have a future if they actually did something with him. He got great reactions when he was Johnny Ace's adviser and all he had to do was show up and sip coffee and get squashed once in a while. They should have tossed him in to the movie feud with Miz and Barrett.

Yes, a movie feud would be refreshing. Hogan and Rock could have gone that route but didn't for some reason.

[Cool King]

You mean when he was exactly the same except by himself?

Exactly.

[MoFo]

Yoshi Tatsu
Prince Albert

[Fignuts]

Sin Cara is still salvageable. As is Tensai.

[#1-norm-fan]

Tensai is pretty old. I think he's pretty much at the position right now that he's gonna be at for the rest of his WWE career.

[Tommy Gunn]

Zack Ryder kind of needs to go, he's got Carlito syndrome where he thinks he's amazing and publicly criticizes his lack of a push all the time.

[Savio]

The Rock

[The Jayman]

Christian

You really shut your mouth. :foc:

You shut your whore mouth

You made some powerful enemies

[Cuse8]

Alex Riley
Mason Ryan

[voncouch]

Darren Young is gonna get Marty Jannetty'ed by this time next year

[Fignuts]

Tensai is pretty old. I think he's pretty much at the position right now that he's gonna be at for the rest of his WWE career.

He's not that old. And anything can happen in a short amount of time. Remember when big show went from jobbing on heat to world champion in the span of a month?

[Rammsteinmad]

Is Mason Ryan still under contract?

[Emperor Smeat]

I think he's mostly on NXT now.

[Ultra Mantis]

Best place for him, I'm sure I read some interviews with Mason Ryan when he won the FCW title / moved up to the main roster where he pretty much said "I don't know why they're pushing me so fast, I'm still learning how to work and I'm terrible". Probably not word for word because of his accent.

[#1-norm-fan]

He's not that old. And anything can happen in a short amount of time. Remember when big show went from jobbing on heat to world champion in the span of a month?

Show had that history of being a former world champion and long-time main eventer already though. It would be harder to just plug Tensai in as a main eventer at will. I feel like he's already peaked as far as card placement. He's in a good spot now.

[Lock Jaw]

If not Show, remember that time Jack Swagger went from jobbing to being World Champion?

[#1-norm-fan]

That was them trying to build a new star though. Tensai is in his 40s now and not a guy WWE would realistically look at as a star of tomorrow.

[Cool King]

Didn't people say similar things about Mark Henry?

And he became World Heavyweight Champion at the age of 40.

[#1-norm-fan]

Tensai just doesn't fit that mold to me. Even in Henry's case, he looks intimidating as fuck. Tensai just doesn't have that main event factor to me and the fact that he's been dropped back down to a comedy face (and a good one at that) at 40 after never touching the main event doesn't bode well.

[XL]

Pretty sure everybody agrees with you. They're saying "never say never".

[Emperor Smeat]

Ezekiel Jackson.

Outside of the small IC title reign and jokes by wrestlers about what the back of his head looks like, he hasn't really done much in the WWE in the past several years. Being injured for most of last year hasn't helped either.

[The Ripper]

Alex Riley- Though I am a huge fan of A-Ry, WWE is just pissing away money to keep him under contract if they aren't going to use him.

A-Train- He should have stayed in Japan.

Zack Ryder- I have tons of respect that he was able to get over on his own...but WWE made it clear, you only get over in the company when they say you can.

Yoshi- see A-train

JGT- I forget he is still in WWE

Curt Hawkins- I say pair him back with Ryder, another Tag team for the tag team Division but WWE doesn't want to do that.

[The Naitch]

Let's juts put Chris Masters on this list as well

Also the tree

[Savio]

Ezekiel Jackson.

Outside of the small IC title reign and jokes by wrestlers about what the back of his head looks like, he hasn't really done much in the WWE in the past several years. Being injured for most of last year hasn't helped either.Zeke is the latest and greatest ECW Champion

[Bad News Gertner]

Christian should be released for sure. Boring as fuck.

[Classy and Gassy]

Otunga isn't going anywhere as long as he's Mr. Hudson. I can't see Alex Riley going anywhere in WWE

[Tommy Gunn]

I'm surprised Alex Riley never gets a match, even Yoshi Tatsu appeared out of the abyss on Main Event the other week.

[The Jayman]

Heath Slater

[Bad News Gertner]

Heath Slater is a future World Champ! Christian will be jobbing his way out the door to Slater. No room for vanilla midgets in this company.

[Classy and Gassy]

Yoshi Tatsu will stick around until another Japanese wrestler replaces him- I imagine they want at least one at all times for promotional appearances and such.

I wouldnt go as far as saying Heath Slater will be world champ some day- but I think he'll have a long career

[The Jayman]

Christian is a former World Heavyweight Champion. Slater is a former........something

[Classy and Gassy]

Christian is a way better heel and probably at this point best served in a tag team with an up and coming heel.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Otunga could easily have a future if they actually did something with him. He got great reactions when he was Johnny Ace's adviser and all he had to do was show up and sip coffee and get squashed once in a while. They should have tossed him in to the movie feud with Miz and Barrett.

I agree with tossing Otunga into the Miz/Barrett rivalry. Have Brad Maddox throw Otunga into their WrestleMania match as the Special Guest Referee to "spice" their bout up. He doesn't even need to do anything heelish, but I guess he could cost The Miz the match and then put Miz over in coming weeks to bounce him back.

I miss pre-3MB Slater.

I miss Justin Gabriel & Heath Slater Heath Slater. I really think the WWE had Gabriel & Slater split way too early. They just sort of broke up because they were both put into Money in the Bank in 2011. They really should have worked together in that match and stayed together as a tag team afterwards.

I really like 3MB, although I don't see much more for them beyond what they are doing now. Give them a few more months of being goofs before they fight over a Diva or something. Hell, have it be Vickie Guerrero. Heath Slater and Vickie Guerrero paired together would be a heat machine. Turn McIntyre face in light of everything, have him go over Slater a few times, and then have Slater beat Mahal to get some heat back. Or perhaps even have Slater & Mahal hold try-outs for a new band member. They can beat down guys that don't fit their mold.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Alex Riley is one of those guys that could be released tomorrow, but could also be repackaged and pushed to the moon just as easily. If the WWE re-signed John Morrison, I really wouldn't mind a heel turn for The Miz, a re-pairing of the two, and Alex Riley to join them as an extra hand.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Christian is so fucking good, but as a face he gets to show no personality. Also, it doesn't make sense when he switches from being a CLB to a heroic underdog. The WWE had the chance to give him an underdog face push in 2011, but decided that they wanted wormy Christian. Then Daniel Bryan did wormy tiny heel champ well in 2012, so Christian was brought back as a face. It seems like they've got no real idea as to what to do with Christian.

I'd personally enjoy Christian winning the World Heavyweight Championship Money in the Bank Ladder Match later in the year, and the WWE doing a storyline where he's technically a face, but everyone thinks he'll cash his title shot in like a CLB, because they don't think he's got the "right stuff" to be a champion. You can either go with Christian proving them right and being a sneak who cashes in Edge-style, or you can have him challenge heroically, and either win or lose and go off the deep end.

Also, I remember wishing at SummerSlam 2011 that Kevin Nash would return as Diesel and help Christian retain in his No Disqualification Match against Randy Orton. At Night of Champions, Christian could have retained the World Heavyweight Title against some babyface and Orton could have beaten Diesel in a match without a title on the line -- setting up their big rivalry-ender in Hell in a Cell.

Christian could have been such a good heel champ. I still think he can, but I think he will return as a face. Christian beating Cesaro for the US Title and then feuding with Jack Swagger over it could be a good use for the guy.

[Kane Knight]

not all of those people are guys
Or so you think.

http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/slides/photos/001/512/006/JTG-psd9571_display_image.png?1320287320

Somewhere out there, Shisen just crapped his pants.

heath slater is the only one on your list i do not agree with, ok he is jobber for life but i always see him working. thr guy gets moves and faces over.

That's pretty much textbook "no future."

[Tommy Gunn]

I really liked Riley in NXT, he was like a jock bully from an 80s teen movie. Kind of like the dude in Karate Kid / Just One Of The Guys. Give him that gimmick!

http://img2.timeinc.net/ew/dynamic/imgs/100611/William-Zabka-karate-kid_320.jpg

Also, while googling Alex Riley, I found a, er, bromance pic of him and The Miz. Eeesh!

http://fc00.deviantart.net/fs71/i/2012/008/f/8/the_miz_and_alex_riley_by_goosegoggles-d4lps0q.jpg

[XL]

I always liked the idea of pairing Riley with Swagger (back when Swagger was jobbing) as a pair of jock-like bullies with a heel J.R. as their "Coach".

[Ultra Mantis]

Alex Riley has been getting a small push every time he's on TV lately. Usually into wall, often through a table.

[Curd]

Hey, what if Zack Ryder began wearing tights that said "NO FUTURE"? That could help him into a fresher gimmick.

Or maybe have Kofi Kingston do that because WWE apparently will FINALLY give him a heel run! I just hope they let Kingston be himself, as HHH wants to move away from 100% scripted promos.

[Tommy Gunn]

Could Kofi pull off a heel turn? Maybe when he was Jamaican, now I'm not so sure.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Kofi Kingston could really pull off an angry African immigrant desperate to be a success really well. He would just stop smiling, and be more focused on winning matches than doing high-risk stunts. When he won the IC Title from The Miz on Main Event, he worked a much stricter "in your face" style that could work as heel offence for the guy.

In a bizarre way, I actually wouldn't mind it if Kofi Kingston and Dolph Ziggler joined forces, in the sense that Randy Orton and Edge joined forces for a while. They have pretty much spent their entire careers as rivals -- their familiarity with one another could breed effective team work. Also, having Big E. Langston as muscle could work for Kingston and add "weight" to his style. Down the track, he and Big E. could betray Dolph, thus turning Dolph face for a series of higher profile matches with his rival.

[#1-norm-fan]

Alex Riley has been getting a small push every time he's on TV lately. Usually into wall, often through a table.

"What's the matter!?"

[Bad News Gertner]

Kofi should come out with a spear and shield and call himself "Saba Simba Jr"

[Tommy Gunn]

Why do they even bother dragging Alex Riley around the country if they never use him? Does he get Saturday Slam matches I don't know about?

[DAMN iNATOR]

Just speaking the truth. Everyone knows he's the Canadian stepchild of the DubDubEee

Yeah, he’s also a 2-time World Heavyweight Champion. But let’s just sweep that under the rug. :roll:

Zack Ryder kind of needs to go, he's got Carlito syndrome where he thinks he's amazing and publicly criticizes his lack of a push all the time.

Nah, he actually has a legit gripe.

[Bad News Gertner]

No. No he doesn't. He's a mid carder.

[James Steele]

Fuck. I hate agreeing with Gertner.

They gave him plenty of chances to "click" when he got his internet fanbase and he never did. The whole Jersey Shore gimmick is DOA now anyway. Evolve or die.

[XL]

Is Ryder totally to blame for "blowing his chance"?

He was over, really over for a period. He won the US Title, was used as a pawn by Kane to get to Cena in a throwaway feud that went nowhere, was used by Eve, lost his title, written out of in-ring competition by a laughable "broken back" angle, miracously returned in a matter of weeks, was made a fool of on the biggest show of the year, never got any kind of vengeance on Kane or Eve and was brushed under the carpet whilst still very popular.

They didn't really give him all that much to work with tbf.

What could he have done differently, given the restraints of the booking?

[Lock Jaw]

Yeah, Ryder wasn't really at fault there. He was actually really over for a time. If they went another way with the booking, he could have stayed a consistent midcard face.

[Emperor Smeat]

Think he took the "fall" or blame for the poor RAW ratings after TLC 2011 although didn't get "The Miz" treatment where if he took the sole blame willingly, he'd be rewarded in the future.

Looking back, it would have been a lot better to keep the Ziggler-Ryder feud going on for a bit longer instead of pairing him up with Cena for the Kane feud since it did nothing for him.

[Anybody Thrilla]

Zack Ryder's mic work is horrendous. I haven't "believed" a word he's said on TV. Maybe it's just because of the character and he'd be more capable otherwise, but I'm glad he's not a focal point right now.

[Tommy Gunn]

The whole 'siiiiiiick bro' promo style is annoying, we've all met dickheads like that in real life, it's off-putting.

[James Steele]

Is Ryder totally to blame for "blowing his chance"?

He was over, really over for a period. He won the US Title, was used as a pawn by Kane to get to Cena in a throwaway feud that went nowhere, was used by Eve, lost his title, written out of in-ring competition by a laughable "broken back" angle, miracously returned in a matter of weeks, was made a fool of on the biggest show of the year, never got any kind of vengeance on Kane or Eve and was brushed under the carpet whilst still very popular.

They didn't really give him all that much to work with tbf.

What could he have done differently, given the restraints of the booking?

Triple H got thrown in pig shit.

[Wishbone]

Triple H got thrown in pig shit.

Triple H is also Triple H. He could go through hell and come out smelling like a fucking rose. Ryder's perfectly capable of being a midcard face, but WWE dropped the ball. Dude's got a legit reason to bitch. His fall wasn't his fault, it was bad booking and lack of creativity in the writing team.

[James Steele]

He was in multiple marquee angles, had an entire RAW built around him and a legit A-list actor, won a championship, and he didn't stick. If he had legitimately gotten over with an audience other than the IWC he'd be on TV more. Instead, we saw how shallow his gimmick, his talents, and his fanbase really were.

[Wishbone]

People still buy his gear and chant we want Ryder on occasion what the hell are you talking about? He could still be where he was if WWE hadn't lost interest. The fans never stopped liking Ryder, management did.

[Wishbone]

WWE just weren't content with having a solid midcard guy. He didn't push through to the main event so they dropped him like they have so many others. WWE today is all about "You're either main event or you're not worth our time".

[#1-norm-fan]

Santino is a good example of that too. The guy is crazy talented and has gotten ridiculous responses when teased as a main eventer. He isn't a main eventer in his current gimmick but could be amazing in a midcard role that doesn't make him a random jobber.

[Ultra Mantis]

Despite obviously being much better than Ryder, HHH was also a heel when he got thrown in pig shit. Nobody's going to want to cheer a guy who is consistently made to look like a little bitch and never get the upper hand. It was bad booking / was never intended to get Ryder over. He could have been a servicable midcard babyface if they hadn't completely drowned him in proverbial pig shit week after week and then just to drive the point home they had Eve kick him in the dick at Wrestlemania.

[James Steele]

I just don't see how Ryder has been screwed. I haven't Ryder chants in months. He got TV time and was all over the place and he didn't stick. Not WWE's fault that his cult following didn't translate over the long term.

[The Condor]

Yeah, he’s also a 2-time World Heavyweight Champion. But let’s just sweep that under the rug. :roll:



Find one instance throughout the title feud with Orton where he was made to look good, strong or the equal of Orton. I'm as big a fan of Christian as anyone but even his title runs were done horribly and the fact that he has not had direction or character development in a year and a half is pretty solid evidence towards the validity of my original point.

[James Steele]

JTG needs to get pushed.

[XL]

Triple H got thrown in pig shit.

And only 4 years later he was WWF Champion.

After his buddy Shawn got him involved in one of the hottest properties of the era (DX) and then he was consistently booked in the Midcard going toe-to-toe and often besting the likes of Ken Shamrock, Owen Hart, The Rock, etc.

That followed by a lot of booking support - and of course talent - led HHH to the top (we'll ignore the nepotism involved too as we've covered that. A lot.)

I'm not saying Ryder is the next icon. I'm not even saying it's not his fault he's where he is. I'm asking if YOU would attribute any of his failure to the way he was used. I know now that you wouldn't.

The "he got a shot and didn't take it" argument is stupid. Want an example of a guy that was thrown out there with a shit gimmick/shit booking/etc? Whatever happened to that Issac Yankem guy?

Ryder was over, you'd be stupid to argue that. Not just with the IWC/YouTube guys, he was legit over with entire crowds chanting for him (something the face of the company hasn't managed for years now). It just seems to me that beyond a token US Title win WWE did little to support the character. Is he amazing in the ring? No, he's servicable. Is he great on the mic? No, but he's decent enough. Is he Main Event material? Jesus, no. But he could be a VERY useful hand in the middle of the card. For example, a 2 month feud with Damian Sandow would have made for good TV and would have helped get Sandow over.

[Damndirty]

Some of those guys will NEVER make it on their own, but have potential with teams, like Heath Slater has shown us in his days with Justin Gabriel.

Zack Ryder has midcard potential, but his inflexibility with the writing team will have him out of the door eventually- we have seen this entrance-less jobber trend too often to ignore, but a team with Riley would work for him.

Otunga is good with backstage and manager-esque roles ontop of half-decent ring skills. He is greatly under-used.

JTG only has a chance with an angle involving the Prime Time Players- and nothing else really but as a fifth wheel.

Drew, in my opinion, is being treated the most unfairly as he has the it-factor with the right angle. The rocker gimmick works for him more than it does the others in 3MB, and if he goes solo, it could be altered for something promising.

After Rey retires, Sin Cara and Yoshi Tatsu should make a formidable international masked tag-team, since we are yet to see a light or cruiserweight title return.

Jinder Mahal... yeah... having trouble finding a place for that one.

And why exactly are there divas on the list? You know when you come to work for WWE and you don't have a penis, your future is pretty murky.

[#1-norm-fan]

I miss Cryme Tyme.

They really should bring back Shad and re-unite the team. Tag division saved!

[Lock Jaw]

Maybe they can finally get their tag title shot.

[Damndirty]

BROOKLY BROOKLYN!!! Whacha gonna do! We're bringin the hood to you!

[XL]

McIntyre had his shot. He was endorsed on TV by Vincent Kennedy McMahon himself and he didn't stick. Fuck him.

Or, given that the guy is clearly talented, give him something more substantial to do. An allegiance with Regal in a mentor/tutor setup that sometimes tag together would be my first scenario. Failing that, team him with JTG and call him M.C. Intyre.

[James Steele]

...or maybe he is nothing more than a solid ring hand who will help others look good. It isn't like he isn't making good money to do what he is doing.

[James Steele]

Or go to Vince and say "I think I can get over this way. Either we do this or I'm leaving." Don't sit there and bitch and moan. Not everybody can be a huge star. Just because you are a good wrestler doesn't mean you will achieve the level of success you have always dreamed of. 2nd string quarterbacks are good football players, but they are what they are.

[James Steele]

If I don't like my current position in a company and think I can do more and be more, I talk to my supervisors. If it can't/won't be done, then I go to another company.

[Curd]

And only 4 years later he was WWF Champion.

After his buddy Shawn got him involved in one of the hottest properties of the era (DX) and then he was consistently booked in the Midcard going toe-to-toe and often besting the likes of Ken Shamrock, Owen Hart, The Rock, etc.

That followed by a lot of booking support - and of course talent - led HHH to the top (we'll ignore the nepotism involved too as we've covered that. A lot.)

I'm not saying Ryder is the next icon. I'm not even saying it's not his fault he's where he is. I'm asking if YOU would attribute any of his failure to the way he was used. I know now that you wouldn't.

The "he got a shot and didn't take it" argument is stupid. Want an example of a guy that was thrown out there with a shit gimmick/shit booking/etc? Whatever happened to that Issac Yankem guy?

Ryder was over, you'd be stupid to argue that. Not just with the IWC/YouTube guys, he was legit over with entire crowds chanting for him (something the face of the company hasn't managed for years now). It just seems to me that beyond a token US Title win WWE did little to support the character. Is he amazing in the ring? No, he's servicable. Is he great on the mic? No, but he's decent enough. Is he Main Event material? Jesus, no. But he could be a VERY useful hand in the middle of the card. For example, a 2 month feud with Damian Sandow would have made for good TV and would have helped get Sandow over.

I agree with your points. All Ryder needed was the right type of year-long feud with the debut of his Long Island Iced Z gimmick, and that would have given additional purpose to his gimmick. But without such intense feuds, most fans are very limited in how much emotion they will put forth towards a new or repackaged character.

If WWE Creative had cared, then they could have written a several-month feud for Ryder for when he returned from injuries around last August, and if they did, then Vince applied the brakes.

[James Steele]

He had a dramatic chase for the U.S. Championship and won it on PPV. At the end of the day, most people will never give fuck about Ryder because he isn't good enough for them to. He is average in the ring and below-average on the mic.

[James Steele]

He had Cena and Punk putting him over constantly. It still wasn't enough.

[James Steele]

Zack Ryder is a very likeable guy, but he isn't a big time superstar. He had months where he was "hot" and then it faded. Flash in the pan.

[Curd]

Zack Ryder is a very likeable guy, but he isn't a big time superstar. He had months where he was "hot" and then it faded. Flash in the pan.

You make valid arguments. My only gripe was his feud with Ziggler for the U.S. Title was cut short, as Ryder never received a rematch.

[James Steele]

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Zach Ryder had his shot here and he failed. Daniel Bryan had a hot streak until it faded. He evolved and found a way to become truly established.

[James Steele]

The best Zack Ryder could come up with when CM Punk gave him the mic is that?!?! Writers or no writers, he had a chance their to change his perception of goofball comedy midcarder. He didn't.

[Curd]

Zach Ryder had his shot here and he failed. Daniel Bryan had a hot streak until it faded. He evolved and found a way to become truly established.

I have to stop identifying emotionally with Ryder, because caring for a lost cause only brings disappointment. :)

I'll still respect him for what he's tried and for his handful of accomplishments, e.g. going to WWE in the first place, but won't advocate any longer. It was a fun experiment but ultimately not something I envision myself doing any longer.

[Shisen Kopf]

I agree with Turd

[Curd]

I agree with Turd

Why thank you, Shisen!

I emailed Zack at the email longislandicedz@gmail.com to show him my over-long post about post-WrestleMania ideas, but he did not write back. So right there, he lost a little of my support. :roll:

[Shisen Kopf]

Fuck him then! WWE should get rid of him.

[Curd]

It's not like I bought any of his merch or Hoeski downloads anyway, so I was never a diehard fan. And telling from his retweets of fans wearing his merch, it becomes apparent Ryder is in it for the money above all. That's why huge dudes like that totally-not-Tazz-Dan pic in the 1,000,001 Replies thread get recognized by Zack, because Ryder wants to rewards purchases of his gaudy-looking junk.

And now I'm actually beginning to dislike Ryder for being manipulative. He's actually just like Eve!
[devil horns]

[Bad News Gertner]

I'm not sure what people think he could have attained. He was U.S champ, was on T.V constantly.. he's nowhere near a main event guy and if he were to get the title back, people would bitch that Cesaro or some other no charisma fuck didn't.

[Bad News Gertner]

Triple H got thrown in pig shit.

HHH is still in pig shit. It's called Stephanie's vag.

[James Steele]

At least his dick has never had a yeast infection.

[Bad News Gertner]

The hell cares about getting a yeast infection and let me tell ya, I've got worse than that!

[Shisen Kopf]

If you get every disease known to man they cancel each other out. Simpsons did it.

[Curd]

I posted to the wrong thread initially, but here it is:

OK, I know there's been too much said about Ryder already in this thread, but a parting idea: He'd fit better in the Attitude Era because then he'd be able to more explicitly reference his Long Island drinks and partying, as well as transition into a heel stalker ex-boyfriend character. But that will never fly in PG-era WWE, and given TNA's current "no man-on-woman violence" policy, a character like that would only get his ass beat week in and week out, definitely not a threatening character like a real-life stalking ex-boyfriend would be.

So for now, Ryder's doing alright to be making money like he is. :)

[The Condor]

James Steele hit this thread out of the park about Ryder. I second all motions made

[Mr. Nerfect]

I like Zack Ryder enough. The guy is decent in the ring (especially when working as a heel), and he's clearly passionate and has done well to get himself over. That being said, there are some points on Ryder that I'd like to address:

Fuck. I hate agreeing with Gertner.

They gave him plenty of chances to "click" when he got his internet fanbase and he never did. The whole Jersey Shore gimmick is DOA now anyway. Evolve or die.

I agree with this. Ryder's gimmick is stupid and we've never been given a proper reason to cheer for it within the canon of WWE television. Is that Ryder's fault? Maybe a little but probably not. It would have been time to get serious against Kane last year, but that never happened. Ryder was forced to act and that was a stupid decision on everyone's behalf.

Zack Ryder's mic work is horrendous. I haven't "believed" a word he's said on TV. Maybe it's just because of the character and he'd be more capable otherwise, but I'm glad he's not a focal point right now.

This is pretty much true. For a guy that has sold himself with his personality, he is pretty bad on the mic. Hopefully he can work with a guy like Paul Heyman to get better, or altercations to his persona allows for less cheesy delivery. But yeah, Ryder is actually a really bad promo.

Zack Ryder could have been used better, and he still could be. With WrestleMania being in his hometown, the WWE are foolish if they don't use him to get someone over or do something at the show. Have him win the US Title from Cesaro with help from Curt Hawkins and Santino Marella and tease a little face pack getting together or anything. If that fails, then it might be time to reassess where they stand on Ryder's potential as a babyface mid-carder, and then a bitter heel turn can happen.

The WWE should consider it to move some merchandise for a little bit. When you've got the chance to make some money, do so.

[Cool King]

I find myself agreeing to what everyone is saying about Ryder's mic work.

It is pretty bad and it is pretty cheesy at times. There are times where I find myself feeling awkward just listening to him on the mic. Though with that said, I also find myself liking his backstage material. When he's interacting with other wrestlers, he's fine. It's just when he's talking on a mic and to the audience he's pretty bad.

It's like he isn't comfortable with a mic in his hand/face.

As for his gimmick, it's been said before but it's dead now. It's ran it's course. I hate to be "one of those guys" but I actually do think a turn would help Ryder. It won't help him become WWE Champion or anything, but it would refresh him. Drop the "Guido gimmick" and just be a badass. Lose the bright, thick plastic sunglasses, get some stubble and just have the gimmick of your everyday asshole. The kind of guys you see on nights out that are with a hot girl and if they catch you even looking in her direction, they'll want to kill you.

Drop the "Woo Woo Woo" part and just say "You Know It", along with no fist pumping. It's cliché but just forget about the fans, don't even acknowledge their presence at times and just be pissed off during matches. Eye up Divas who are taken and be somewhat of a pig towards them.

Along with all that, he should be somewhat bitter. He should go after people who doubted him, called him a goof in the past and the present (Cole & Striker) and just hate John Cena for what he did to him in the past. Having a short fued with Cena would help his new side get noticed, though he wouldn't necessary need to win the fued.

A turn on Santino or even Scott Stanford would be a good way to get the "New Ryder" started.

[Curd]

I find myself agreeing to what everyone is saying about Ryder's mic work.

It is pretty bad and it is pretty cheesy at times. There are times where I find myself feeling awkward just listening to him on the mic. Though with that said, I also find myself liking his backstage material. When he's interacting with other wrestlers, he's fine. It's just when he's talking on a mic and to the audience he's pretty bad.

It's like he isn't comfortable with a mic in his hand/face.

As for his gimmick, it's been said before but it's dead now. It's ran it's course. I hate to be "one of those guys" but I actually do think a turn would help Ryder. It won't help him become WWE Champion or anything, but it would refresh him. Drop the "Guido gimmick" and just be a badass. Lose the bright, thick plastic sunglasses, get some stubble and just have the gimmick of your everyday asshole. The kind of guys you see on nights out that are with a hot girl and if they catch you even looking in her direction, they'll want to kill you.

Drop the "Woo Woo Woo" part and just say "You Know It", along with no fist pumping. It's cliché but just forget about the fans, don't even acknowledge their presence at times and just be pissed off during matches. Eye up Divas who are taken and be somewhat of a pig towards them.

Along with all that, he should be somewhat bitter. He should go after people who doubted him, called him a goof in the past and the present (Cole & Striker) and just hate John Cena for what he did to him in the past. Having a short fued with Cena would help his new side get noticed, though he wouldn't necessary need to win the fued.

A turn on Santino or even Scott Stanford would be a good way to get the "New Ryder" started.

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[Emperor Smeat]

Zack Ryder could have been used better, and he still could be. With WrestleMania being in his hometown, the WWE are foolish if they don't use him to get someone over or do something at the show. Have him win the US Title from Cesaro with help from Curt Hawkins and Santino Marella and tease a little face pack getting together or anything. If that fails, then it might be time to reassess where they stand on Ryder's potential as a babyface mid-carder, and then a bitter heel turn can happen.

If his recent tweets are any indication, he already realized or knew a couple of weeks ago the WWE has absolutely nothing planned for him to do at Mania.

Been joking a lot that his feud or segment for the day will be with catering since he would be figuring out what he wants to eat for the day. Also been telling family and friends who are traveling to the show that he won't be on it.

[James Steele]

I hope they find some way to completely bury him and end his career at WrestleMania. Have him job to a 5 year old Make-A-Wish child. Bitch on twitter about not getting pushed and then you wonder why you don't get a push...

[#1-norm-fan]

It's sad that Ryder sucks on the mic. Some people I could care less because they just aren't likeable. I always wanted to see Ryder "figure it out" or something.

That being said, he was good for a one-off, quick push like he got. Nothing long-term. I do wish they would have given the Eve story a better ending. Maybe having her team up with another guy and Ryder find pair up with another diva all leading to a mixed tag match at WrestleMania last year where Ryder gets the win as a big "fuck you, cunt" to Eve.

[Lock Jaw]

Greatest moment of Zack's career was when he was struggling to change that tire while trying to run from Kane. Brilliant TV.

[#1-norm-fan]

lol. Weren't there multiple commercial breaks and possibly a full match during the time it took him to change the tire?

[Damndirty]

HHH is still in pig shit. It's called Stephanie's vag.

If Steph's vag is pig shit, cover me in it!

[James Steele]

lol. Weren't there multiple commercial breaks and possibly a full match during the time it took him to change the tire?

To be fair, it was a foreign car.

[James Steele]

Fuckin' communist lugnuts.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Zack Ryder's ambition could just as easily be a heel trait as a face trait. A "Sucking up to you people don't do me no good" heel Ryder could be a lot of fun. God, I would love to see The Rock kill him on the mic.

[XCaliber]

Bo Dallas please.

[Bad News Gertner]

I find myself agreeing to what everyone is saying about Ryder's mic work.

It is pretty bad and it is pretty cheesy at times. There are times where I find myself feeling awkward just listening to him on the mic. Though with that said, I also find myself liking his backstage material. When he's interacting with other wrestlers, he's fine. It's just when he's talking on a mic and to the audience he's pretty bad.

It's like he isn't comfortable with a mic in his hand/face.

As for his gimmick, it's been said before but it's dead now. It's ran it's course. I hate to be "one of those guys" but I actually do think a turn would help Ryder. It won't help him become WWE Champion or anything, but it would refresh him. Drop the "Guido gimmick" and just be a badass. Lose the bright, thick plastic sunglasses, get some stubble and just have the gimmick of your everyday asshole. The kind of guys you see on nights out that are with a hot girl and if they catch you even looking in her direction, they'll want to kill you.

Drop the "Woo Woo Woo" part and just say "You Know It", along with no fist pumping. It's cliché but just forget about the fans, don't even acknowledge their presence at times and just be pissed off during matches. Eye up Divas who are taken and be somewhat of a pig towards them.

Along with all that, he should be somewhat bitter. He should go after people who doubted him, called him a goof in the past and the present (Cole & Striker) and just hate John Cena for what he did to him in the past. Having a short fued with Cena would help his new side get noticed, though he wouldn't necessary need to win the fued.

A turn on Santino or even Scott Stanford would be a good way to get the "New Ryder" started.

Ryder is one of the smallest guys on the roster and as intimidating as Owenbrown in a dating game. This would NEVER work.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

He should turn heel and be a roadie for 3MB.

[Bad News Gertner]

With Brad Maddox as the manager.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Ryder's overall legacy I think is going to based on how long this Twitter/Tout/Social Media thing lasts. Ryder is basically the person who brought all of that to the WWE for better or worse. Sort of like how the XFL completely failed but NFL kept some of the stuff that the XFL introduced like the overhead camera.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Zack Ryder would actually make a pretty good act on NXT. Have him go to Vickie Guerrero, bring up his past in La Familia working for Vickie, and beg her for a title opportunity on RAW. He perhaps calls her "bro" and Vickie takes offense. She gives Zack a US Title match or IC Title match against either Antonio Cesaro or Wade Barrett, with the stipulation being that if Zack accepts, he must put his roster spot on the line.

The fans are obviously rabid for Ryder (do this in New York and see how that goes), and he plays the plucky babyface role as well as he can against Cesaro or Barrett. Eventually, his efforts come up short and he is cleanly defeated by the champion. It gives the champion heat for sending Zack packing and it gives the fans a reason to be sad for Zack.

Ryder shows up at the next NXT tapings in a backstage segment with Dusty Rhodes where he wants a shot. Rhodes agrees because "darn it -- he likes the kid." Ryder becomes the "Rudy" of NXT, picking up some clean wins against heels that don't matter yet and beating some more serious acts with roll-ups here and there. Eventually, you can have Ryder win some sort of "NXT Championship Money in the Bank Ladder Match" and he has a title shot whenever he wants it. This is where you can either have Zack do a sneaky face win, a heel turn and sneaky heel win, or he can cash it in honorably by announcing in advance where he will have his shot, and he can either win or lose cleanly.

As NXT Champion, Ryder can make a case that he should be re-signed to the main WWE roster. WWE.com can run a poll about whether or not people want to see Ryder back. Basically, they try to create a stir for him. Ryder returns after months of being away, with the NXT Championship and Internet Championship in tow and then cuts a good promo for a change, convincing us that there is hope for him.

[Heyman]

Zack Ryder kind of needs to go, he's got Carlito syndrome where he thinks he's amazing and publicly criticizes his lack of a push all the time.


I'll have to disagree with this. Ryder was legitimately over with the fans. This is one move of the WWE that really surprised me.


My guess is that Ryder must have done something to really piss off management. Maybe Ryder's outspokenness about his lack of push is what caused the WWE to bury him? Dolph Ziggler was punished for making controversial remarks about Triple H and Randy Orton a few years back.

[NormanSmiley]

Titus O'Neil. this guy is fucked because he is black and because he mistimed his jobbing in the RR, Vince will never forgive him

[JimmyMess]

is there a 2015 pinkslip pool to accompany this thread?

[erickman]

is there a 2015 pinkslip pool to accompany this thread?

yeah you can start that thread.

well zach slatter and nat are still with wwe and i think all 3 will be lifers with wwe

[The Rogerer]

Adam Rose. He's got to go. Worthless.

[Emperor Smeat]

Rowan.

[Bad News Gertner]

Titus O'Neil. this guy is fucked because he is black and because he mistimed his jobbing in the RR, Vince will never forgive him

I fucking LOVE Titus O'Neill. Poor guy. He literally has everything, even a kick ass theme song.

[NormanSmiley]

I completely agree gertie, and it wasnt long ago there were supposedly big plans in the works for him. The guy is gold on the mic and has the look. Whats the fucking problem? But his life and my time are being wasted

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

PTP was pretty over. They ended the team too quick. Should have had DYoung turn heel but NOOOOO. Can't have the gay man be the heel.

[Bad News Gertner]

I'm guessing.it's because Titus is no spring.chicken

[NormanSmiley]

maybe titus has sickle cell?

[NormanSmiley]

titus only 35, sting is gonna get main event treatment and is 50+

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

He has a derpy smile.

[Ultra Mantis]

Titus will never get a real push because he tweeted his penis that one time.

[Mercenary]

Emma

[KIRA]

Damn, Gabriel checked out early he was my guy (can't say I blame him at all)

Any member of the new day not named Kingston would be nice whatever breaks up that stupid group.

[NormanSmiley]

thank you for the update on titus' penis. glad you found that out for all of us. nohomo

[Ruien]

That third member of New Day that is not Big E or Kofi.

[Rammsteinmad]

Titus has a huge gut. It bothers me every time he wrestles.

[NormanSmiley]

sorry about your homosexual tendencies

[Ultra Mantis]

Would you like a link to Titus's penis NormalSmiley?

[NormanSmiley]

no thank you ultra, but please keep us up to date with any developments in the realm of WWE male stars showing their dicks

[Ultra Mantis]

I will keep you posted on any wrestler penis related news from several years ago as and when it becomes relevant.

[Bad News Gertner]

titus only 35, sting is gonna get main event treatment and is 50+

37.

Sting.is going to have 1 match and became a main event guy in his 20's.

[NormanSmiley]

Titus born in 79. Unless you know something wiki dont

[Bad News Gertner]

Well thats weird, when you google him is says 1977. Then his wiki says 79.

[Damian Rey]

Let's just settle on 78.

[Heyman]

Rowan.



I agree with this.


I'm not sure if this one counts since he's won the World/WWE title already, but I don't think Sheamus will ever be THE guy. I think Sheamus will be in the same category as Albert Del Rios, in that, the WWE won't know what to do with him. He'll be a main-event jobber, much like Big Show and Kane.

[NormanSmiley]

78 it is Gertie, truce?

[Bad News Gertner]

Lol no it's 79

[JT]

Was a HUGE Zack fan at one point, but got a feeling this is his last year.

[NormanSmiley]

god damn you Gertie!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Lock Jaw]

Had a weird dream where Titus O'Neil was facing Justin Gabriel in the main event of Wrestlemania. Fans were into it big time until some shenanigans occurred and The New Day came out to beat down Gabriel and help Titus (because he's black). CESARO then ran down to make the save to a massive ovation, along with Katie Lee Burchill as his valet.

Cesaro and Gabriel begin cleaning house.... Then my feed died and I didn't see the end.... Then I woke up....

[erickman]

That third member of New Day that is not Big E or Kofi.

the only tna made guy in wwe, i liked hem better when he was apolo creed, in red white and blue trunks.

[Vastardikai]

It may deserve it's own thread, but it works here, as well. (http://www.wrestlecrap.com/inductions/induction-vince-mcmahon-and-the-brass-rings-2014-gooker-award-co-winner/)

Also, I didn't write this, but I'm sure a few TPDub folks will think I wrote a part of it.

[Heyman]

I'll go ahead and say Luke Harper.


I think he'll be a solid IC champion one day (if he hasn't already.........I haven't watched WWE programming since last April), but I can't see him progressing beyond that level.


He *might* get a transitional world title run at one point, but I highly doubt it.

[Vastardikai]

I honestly believe he'll top out at the Kane level, with a solid 10-15 year run.

And there's absolutely NOTHING wrong with that.

[Rammsteinmad]

I'll go ahead and say Luke Harper.


I think he'll be a solid IC champion one day (if he hasn't already.........I haven't watched WWE programming since last April), but I can't see him progressing beyond that level.


He *might* get a transitional world title run at one point, but I highly doubt it.

That's not exactly "no future".

[Heyman]

That's not exactly "no future".


True,


I probably do need to rephrase what I said.


I think the point I was trying to get at, was that I don't think Harper will get to the heights that maybe the WWE and certain marks project him to ascend to. At best, if we're being optimistic, I think Harper has a minor shot of being in that 'Alberto Del Rios/Sheamus' category where he'll get to a certain level, and then the WWE will have no idea what to do with him. This is if we're being optimistic.


A worser case scenario is that he ends up in the Val Venis/Santino Marella category where he gets to the IC level and has a decent run, but then eventually fades into obscurity and ultimately gets released.

[Heyman]

I honestly believe he'll top out at the Kane level, with a solid 10-15 year run.

And there's absolutely NOTHING wrong with that.


It's possible, but I don't think it's likely.


I think Rusev is your next generation's Kane/Big Show (i.e. scattered world title reigns, with decent enough credibility to be perceived as a viable threat even if his ultimate role is to put over emerging talent).


I hope I'm wrong about Harper, but I think there's a great risk of him not being relevant in a few years once he's had a few decent runs as an IC champ and Tag team champ. #SantinoMarella

[Simple Fan]

The Asscention I feel like after this run they will just turn out to be about like the Highlanders

[The Condor]

Ascension is already DOA, in my opinion. And I wish I meant the Crush-led biker gang from 1997. Those guys at least seemed like legitimate bad asses.

[#1-norm-fan]

No one has a future. Wrestling is a depressing wasteland.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Fan just hit the Fall of Man on everybody. He was born to rip and shred dreams. Welcome to the Wasteland.

[JimmyMess]

DAMMIT I POSTED THIS IN THE WRONG THING. COCK!!!!!

[Droford]

Mojo Rawley & Bull Dempsey

They might be able to carve out a niche on NXT but theyd be DOA if ever called up to the big league.

I actually kind of like Bull Dempseys gimmick which is a shame.

I suppose they arent "current" WWE guys but they have no future in wwe should they ever get there

[Mr. Nerfect]

I think Bull Dempsey could stumble upon magic.