Mid carders who were crazy over

[Bad News Gertner]

Hacksaw Jim Duggan came to mind. During his reign as King Hacsaw you could argue he was the second most over babyface in the WWF.

Watching some old videos on youtube and I completely forgot how friggen over The Oddities were, especially when ICP were with them.

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Unbelievable.

[owenbrown]

Wasn't Hacksaw always over in WCW?

[Bad News Gertner]

He was, but not to the level as he was in the WWF. Gonna go find a tag match he was in against Andre the Giant. Crowd was crazy for him.

[Bad News Gertner]

This isn't the match, but christ was he ever over

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[Disturbed316]

Godfather

[Bad News Gertner]

Godfather was ridiculously over.

[Bad News Gertner]

Hate ICP's music, but gotta admit the Oddities theme was awesome. Loved their entrance. Shitty in the ring but crowd loved them.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

http://smackdown.neoseeker.com/w/i/smackdown/thumb/9/9f/S2H.jpg/200px-S2H.jpg

[#1-norm-fan]

The New Age Outlaws.

Actually pretty much any face midcarder from the attitude era was over by today's standards.

[#1-norm-fan]

Fuck, those videos even make me miss The Oddities just for the crowd response.

Not a bad promo by Violent J in that second video either.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Al Snow.

[Rasslin' Fan 29]

http://smackdown.neoseeker.com/w/i/smackdown/thumb/9/9f/S2H.jpg/200px-S2H.jpg

Just came in here to say Too Cool. Two jobbers and a fat guy in a thong that all danced in the ring together were probably the most over people in WWF at one point.

[Scottness89]

Rey Mysterio for a long time...

[Ruien]

The New Age Outlaws.

Actually pretty much any face midcarder from the attitude era was over by today's standards.

You consider The New Age Outlaws to be a mid card tag team?

Kofi is rather over.

[Bad News Gertner]

Wrath was pretty over in WCW

[Corporate CockSnogger]

Norman Smiley

[The Jayman]

Disco Inferno

[Rasslin' Fan 29]

The 1-2-3 Kid was very over as a babyface in the early 90s.

[The Condor]

Definitely Vader in late '96 or '97. He got some insane face pops at that time

[Shisen Kopf]

Goldust, British Bulldog and Owen Hart come to mind.

[legendkillerRKO]

Zack Ryder was pretty over last year. Is Fandango considered a mid carder?

[Corndad]

Jake the Snake Roberts was a Mid Carder back in the day was pretty over. Steamboat in WWE was a midcarder over as heck around WM 3.

[seapig4]

You really can make a point that every performer during the attitude era was crazy over compared to now days, except for Mark Henry who is over more now than back then.

In WCW, DDP before DDP cracked the main event scene.

[Emperor Smeat]

RVD.

Almost from the moment he arrived in the WWF till his big push in mid-2006 against Cena.

[#1-norm-fan]

You consider The New Age Outlaws to be a mid card tag team?

Well they weren't main eventers.

Upper-midcard maybe. But midcard, yes.

[Savio]

Ken Shamrock

[Rammsteinmad]

Buff Bagwell back in WCW was really over.

That's the best I can contribute to this thread. :p

[MoFo]

Dean Malenko in the feud vs Jericho.

[MoFo]

Sure M.I.A got huge pops when they were against Team Canada too.

[Bad News Gertner]

Buff Bagwell ws probably the biggest missed opportunity to create a main event guy that WCW had. Why he came back as a heel after he broke his neck is beyond me

[CWK]

Buff Bagwell ws probably the biggest missed opportunity to create a main event guy that WCW had. Why he came back as a heel after he broke his neck is beyond me

They missed the boat more with Chris Jericho and Chris Benoit

[#1-norm-fan]

Jericho, yes.

[KyleEmmott]

Is it safe to Rey Mysterio? I consider him high mid card...

[Bad News Gertner]

In an ideal world, Bagwell could have returned from his life threatening injury, get beaten down by the NWO, become a huge sympathetic babyface vowing revenge. He had lots of charisma. I really think if booked right it would have been massive.

[Bad News Gertner]

They missed the boat more with Chris Jericho and Chris Benoit

Ugh, Benoit was boring as shit. Plus you're ugly.

[Swiss Ultimate]

La Parka

[Vastardikai]

Big Bossman is my one contribution. He was over enough in WWF that fans were chanting for him HERE...

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Side note: This match was the worst Sting match on pay per view that did NOT involve an opponent who was shit hammered during the match.

[JimmyMess]

Is it safe to Rey Mysterio? I consider him high mid card...

Wouldn't being a former World Champion negate that?

[Lock Jaw]

http://img29.exs.cx/img29/9366/a_TrishUF002.jpg

Christian circa 2005

[Ermaximus]

Crash Holly and The Hurricane

[Lock Jaw]

Sounds like a band name.

Crash Holly and The Hurricanes

[Ermaximus]

Sounds like a band name.

Crash Holly and The Hurricanes

Where do you think Crash and the Boys came from? :shifty:

[MIZantine Empire]

Godfather was ridiculously over.

Still could be.. I was at the rumble this year and he got a monster pop.. Not a fair adjective.. I can't think of a fair way to describe it but he got just a big a pop as Jericho and goldust and the rock (out popped the rock IMO)

[XL]

A nostalgia-fuelled Rumble pop =/= legitimate long-term heat.

[LoDownM]

I remember the Filthy Animals towards the end of WCW being pretty over. They were all midcarders back then.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

A nostalgia-fuelled Rumble pop =/= legitimate long-term heat.

But he had both. Godfather was crazy over for good chuck of time.

[Vastardikai]

He had the sing along down. Cause he be "Pimpin' hoes, Nationwide"

[#1-norm-fan]

"Light a fatty for this pimp daddy..."

[Bad News Gertner]

Santino. Guy could lose 100 matches in a row and be over.

[#1-norm-fan]

That's because Santino is amazing at whatever shitty role they give him.

[#1-norm-fan]

Kinda makes me wish they would give him a role where being over could work to the benefit of everyone including the company.

[MIZantine Empire]

Kinda makes me wish they would give him a role where being over could work to the benefit of everyone including the company.

They had that opportunity with him in the chamber last year.. I'm a santino mark.. Never flustered on the mic, always sharp, witty, funny, and entertaining. Guy works a good match and can seemingly work with anyone.. Plus he is uber over.. I think it wouldn't have been the worst to put the heavyweight belt on him.. Maybe not pre-mania but deff after.. He had the right momentum.. As far as older era wrestlers being over, I haven't seen the name Norman smiley in here yet.. I remember loving him in wcw

[XL]

Wouldn't Santino fall into the "He's great but shouldn't be anywhere near the main event" category?

[XL]

But he had both. Godfather was crazy over for good chuck of time.

Indeed he was. Though I have a feeling that might have been largely to do with the fact he came to the ring with "hookers". Dunno how that would fly in the current landscape.

[whiteyford]

Little Spike Dudley, especially in ECW.

[#1-norm-fan]

Wouldn't Santino fall into the "He's great but shouldn't be anywhere near the main event" category?

I don't think so. His current gimmick shouldn't be anywhere near the main event (not long-term at least). He's a clumsy, idiotic, lovable loser. But the man himself is ridiculously talented.

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I mean... how different is this from the Santino character and how fucking awesome is it still??? The guy is money.

[#1-norm-fan]

I had the idea a while back for someone like William Regal to become an on-screen mentor to Santino and teach him how to actually fight. Then have him come back after months of training vignettes (Which would probably be comedy gold. I mean... Regal and Santino. COME ON.) and have him slowly actually be able to beat people's ass in the ring like in that video all while still being a massive idiot once the match is over.

You get to keep the goofy charm that makes people love him while actually having him contribute as a wrestler too.

[whiteyford]

Isn't he actually 'legit', Judo or something?

[Lock Jaw]

I like how Santino did the Russian in OVW, the Italian in WWE.... but he is actually a Canadian with no accent at all.

[Lock Jaw]

Heard a vid once of him out of character.... can't find it anymore.

[#1-norm-fan]

Isn't he actually 'legit', Judo or something?

Yeah I think so.

[Emperor Smeat]

Yeup and I think also in amateur wrestling.

[Skippord]

Wouldn't Santino fall into the "He's great but shouldn't be anywhere near the main event" category?
Only the second part

[DaveBrawl]

Definitely only the second part.

[#1-norm-fan]

:nono:

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

I don't think so. His current gimmick shouldn't be anywhere near the main event (not long-term at least). He's a clumsy, idiotic, lovable loser. But the man himself is ridiculously talented.

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I mean... how different is this from the Santino character and how fucking awesome is it still??? The guy is money.

Brock Vs. Santino battle of the Kimuras.

[#1-norm-fan]

Book it

[Rollermacka]

Tito Santana is a name that comes to mind.

[Flash Funk]

Good point about damn near everyone during the Attitude era being over. The first name that came to mind was Scotty 2 Hotty

[MIZantine Empire]

Good point about damn near everyone during the Attitude era being over. The first name that came to mind was Scotty 2 Hotty

Such a good time for the sport.. Just think about the invasion.. People like ddp Eddie Benoit malenko and Kidman to name a few getting those massive pops when they debuted in the wwf.. The pop ddp and Eddie got were nothing short of spectacular.. Here is guys from the "competition" getting stone cold/ the rock like pops.. Insane

[The Condor]

Such a good time for the sport.. Just think about the invasion.. People like ddp Eddie Benoit malenko and Kidman to name a few getting those massive pops when they debuted in the wwf.. The pop ddp and Eddie got were nothing short of spectacular.. Here is guys from the "competition" getting stone cold/ the rock like pops.. Insane

I don't remember any of that.

[Heisenberg]

The Steven Richards/Right To Censor gimmick was mad over. At least to me, the whole premise was fuckin' good.

[KyleEmmott]

Wouldn't being a former World Champion negate that?

Not necessarily.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Wouldn't being a former World Champion negate that?

In Rey's case no since he was booked like shit as World Champion both times he had the Big Gold Belt. They didn't even call it the World Heavweight Championship when he had the belt because he wasn't a heavyweight. Also he was WWE Champion for less than an hour.

[KyleEmmott]

In Rey's case no since he was booked like shit as World Champion. Also he was WWE Champion for less than an hour.

I've never considered Rey as huge main eventer, just a legendary high mid carder.

[Mike the Metal Ed]

Little Spike Dudley, especially in ECW.

I'm not an ECW expert, but I believe Mikey Whipwreck was, too.

[Bad News Gertner]

New Jack was VERY over in ECW

[Shisen Kopf]

I wish DLVH84 hadn't been murdered so he could tell us what jap midcarders were super over

[Shisen Kopf]

RIP DLVH84, let us pay our respects

http://www.hahastop.com/pictures/Unbelievable_This_Is_Not_Butter.jpg

[Ermaximus]

http://www.guresmania.net/pics/hardyz/26.jpg

[MIZantine Empire]

I don't remember any of that.

It was at the time wcw was bought out.. So the guys started coming over.. I remember a segment where Eddie, Benoit, malenko, and someone else came through the crowd and hit a their finishers and the crowd erupted. It's on YouTube I'm sure.. The ddp thing was when he was revieled as the stalker for undertakers wife. He pulled that hood off and the crowd went nuts.. Also on youtube

[Heisenberg]

http://24.media.tumblr.com/af8efda322df25a849cc438aba552f63/tumblr_mfx5ymrNSa1ql0k28o1_500.png

Used to yell "GORE!!!" alot at my T.V.

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I know he was ECW champ and all, but don't remember him being a main eventer in WWF/E

[parkmania]

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You're welcome.



But seriously, Chavo Guerrero has always been really over.

[XL]

It was at the time wcw was bought out.. So the guys started coming over.. I remember a segment where Eddie, Benoit, malenko, and someone else came through the crowd and hit a their finishers and the crowd erupted. It's on YouTube I'm sure.. The ddp thing was when he was revieled as the stalker for undertakers wife. He pulled that hood off and the crowd went nuts.. Also on youtube

The person you're missing was Perry Saturn, they were called The Radicalz and they debuted in the WWE in January of 2000. The buyout and subsequent "Invasion" started around Mania of 2001.

[The Condor]

The Invasion didn't work b/c smarks hated the booking and the marks boo'ed the "invaders" just because they were WCW guys, not because they were over in any sense or even knew who some of them were. 90% of wrestlers from the Invasion were not "over"

[parkmania]

The person you're missing was Perry Saturn, they were called The Radicalz and they debuted in the WWE in January of 2000. The buyout and subsequent "Invasion" started around Mania of 2001.

That's something that they never discussed on programming (that I recall) after the buyout - The Radicalz could have been a sort of "advance recon" group for the wCw/ECW alliance.

[whiteyford]

The Invasion didn't work b/c smarks hated the booking

It was poorly booked, incredibly one sided, I think even Vince would agree in hindsight.

[Rammsteinmad]

The reason the Invasion failed was because Kurt Angle turned on the Alliance.

[#1-norm-fan]

It was poorly booked, incredibly one sided, I think even Vince would agree in hindsight.

I'm pretty sure on some DVD Vince flat out said that they fucked up the angle.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

The Invasion didn't work b/c smarks hated the booking and the marks boo'ed the "invaders" just because they were WCW guys, not because they were over in any sense or even knew who some of them were. 90% of wrestlers from the Invasion were not "over"

People hated the invasion because they didn't use any real WCW stars other than Booker T and how they treated DDP. I think the way Buff Bagwell handled his shit was the reason they knew that they just couldn't trust WCW guys.

[Ultra Mantis]

That's something that they never discussed on programming (that I recall) after the buyout - The Radicalz could have been a sort of "advance recon" group for the wCw/ECW alliance.

I dont remember the Radicalz even being around during the invasion, I'm sure they were all either injured or gone at that point.

[Rammsteinmad]

Perry Saturn was around, but I think he was just squashing jobbers on Heat at the time.

[Emperor Smeat]

According to Wikipedia, the group disbanded twice with the first happening in 2000 and the other happening right when the Invasion storyline started.

By the time the Invasion started, Eddie was already out of the WWE, Malenko had retired, and Benoit was kicked out of the group months earlier. Saturn and Terri Runnels remained but they split shortly afterwards.

[Rollermacka]

Hmm, would Sandman be considered a mid carder? He was a former ECW champion, but his biggest claim to fame in WWE was his entrance at One Night Stand 2005

[Classy and Gassy]

I dont know if Jake Roberts is considered midcard but the DDT chants were over

[Disturbed316]

The reason the Invasion failed was because Kurt Angle turned on the Alliance.

Austin joining them pretty much killed it. After all the shit Bischoff did to him in WCW and how much Austin has ranted about his time there it makes no sense for him to then suddenly side with them.

[Ultra Mantis]

Hmm, would Sandman be considered a mid carder? He was a former ECW champion, but his biggest claim to fame in WWE was his entrance at One Night Stand 2005

Sandman was never crazy over outside of ECW, where he was pretty much the guy.

[Ruien]

People hated the invasion because they didn't use any real WCW stars other than Booker T and how they treated DDP. I think the way Buff Bagwell handled his shit was the reason they knew that they just couldn't trust WCW guys.

What did Buff do?

[ron the dial]

had mommy call in sick for him

[Ultra Mantis]

Then got in a backstage fight which resulted in him getting twatted by Gregory Helms via alleged frozen water bottle.

[The Ripper]

Lance Storm was kinda over. The only time I remember where he was close to actually being a big deal was during the last few years of WCW with his Canadian stable. But his lack of personality really held him back. He's a great in ring guy, and his stuff with his Canadian stable was good but he had the personality of a goldfish.