The whole Jay Brisco anti-gay thing...

[StRaNgEr]

Its just crazy to me, how any time somebody has anything to say about a gay person that is negative, they are made out to be a monster. It has obviously been a huge topic since Jason Collins became the first athlete in the "big 4" sports in north america to come out of the closet.

Here is the thing though, I have nothing against gay people, I think people should do absolutely anything that makes them happy, as long as they are not hurting anyone else. But the guy who wants to say homosexuality is sick, or wrong, or disgusting and immoral, has his right as a fucking american to say, and feel whatever he wants without being chastised, or called out.

Its what we call a double standard, people dont want to be treated badly for being gay, but they want to treat people like shit, unless they say "oh yea, being gay is perfectly natural, and beautiful, there is nothing wrong about it at all whatsoever".

If you are keeping a secret, and you know there is potential for backlash if you expose that secret, It is up to you, and only you, if you want to let that secret out and expose yourself to it. I'm so sick of people being told that they have to act, and talk, and feel a certain way about everything. Love and tolerance should always be shown amongst each other and human beings, but if someone has an opinion you dont fucking like, fucking deal with it!!!! It's called life, and it is time for people to stop thinking the world should revolve around them, and they can force people into thinking and feeling however they want them to about homosexuality.

[Tb1]

But the guy who wants to say homosexuality is sick, or wrong, or disgusting and immoral, has his right as a fucking american to say, and feel whatever he wants without being chastised, or called out.

You can get called out for any opinion. He has a right to it, sure, but those who disagree can fully express that as he's expressed his own.

[Wishbone]

It's fine to have your opinion, but it's not fine to threaten to shoot anyone who has the opposite opinion which is what Brisco did. It's also a problem when you're the face of a company, even one as small as ROH because if you have an unpopular opinion then you reflect badly on the company which means you hurt their popularity and profits. Oh and like T-Money said, people are also allowed to express their opinion that your opinion sucks. Ain't freedom of speech grand?

[Bad News Gertner]

Jay Briscoe basically insulted 90% of Indy fans. Good that he'll have to donate $50 plus his Subway coupons to charity.

[Wishbone]

I'd say he insulted 90% of wrestling fans period even if they don't realize it Gerty. Let's face it we all enjoy watching half naked, oiled up men wrestle each other. Something's gotta be goin' on there.

[Bad News Gertner]

I only get erections when Heath Slater wrestles.

[StRaNgEr]

All valid points. I guess all of that was just my long winded way of saying, it just gets so old living in a world where 1 persons opinion just gets blown up into a huge fucking news story all the time, and all the sheeple just eat that shit up. Its one fucking persons opinion, WHO THE FUCK CARES!!!!

And for christ sakes, ROH is a wrestling company right? 95% of the population thinks pro wrestling is just low brow garbage anyway. The only people who even know who Jay Brisco is, are the extremely hardcore wrestling fans, do any of them really give a fuck? Are they going to stop watching because Brisco wants his kid to grow up and have sex with girls??? LOL

Its obvious he didnt mean shooting someone in the literal sense. If gay dudes want me to be accepting and tolerant (which I am) Then they damn sure better be tolerant and accepting of the fact that me and Jay want our sons to grow up and have sex with females, exclusively, that is the only way that it can be fair to both sides.

[#1-norm-fan]

It's fine to have your opinion, but it's not fine to threaten to shoot anyone who has the opposite opinion which is what Brisco did. It's also a problem when you're the face of a company, even one as small as ROH because if you have an unpopular opinion then you reflect badly on the company which means you hurt their popularity and profits.

Also, the fact that the president of ROH is openly gay doesn't exactly help matters.

[Bad News Gertner]

http://www.villagevoice.com/bestof/2009/award/best-place-to-watch-straight-men-get-all-homoerotic-1436500/

ROH featured in Gay Mag. Pretty sure Briscoe just cost ROH the majority of their audience.

[whiteyford]

He's a fuck up who just made getting signed by anything other than indie company even more difficult, for his brother too. It's akin to saying he hopes his son doesn't grow up black, you know with both being a choice and all.

[StRaNgEr]

Right, I'm not so much absolving him from blame, he made a stupid choice that he knew was going to end up bad if he has any common sense.

It's just lame that we have so many insecure pussies in this world that are crushed by someones words whom they have never even met.

The world can be a cold place, and A LOT worse things go on than someone hoping like hell that their son doesnt end up being gay, people just need to grow some thick fucking skin and stop with the bullshit whining all the time. If someone doesnt like the fact that you are gay, be secure enough with yourself to let their personal opinion slide right off of your shoulders. By letting their opinion cause a stir, you are the one validating their opinion, if you dont bother giving a hateful, or unkind opinion the time of day, it goes away just as quickly as it appeared.

[Bad News Gertner]

There's hoping and then there's threatening to shoot someone in the face. Big difference.

[whiteyford]

He's the face of the company, freedom of speech takes a back seat there it should be common sense behind the wheel, it's not about people being insecure more people thinking what a daft cunt.

[Shindig Jeff]

he shouldnt say things like that about people who have things about them that are different. Just think if all the world was mostly gay then the strait people would be like how the gay people are now and they wouldnt get to marry their cat.

[BollywoodSingh]

Whether he should be allowed to say it because of freedom of speech or not, it's a stupid thing to say. If he is anti-gay, he is entitled to that belief, but he's an idiot for tweeting that and not expecting any backlash. Why not just keep quiet about it? It was such an unnecessary tweet.

I don't really know who Jay Briscoe is, but if he's considered WWE material, he pretty much just blew his chances.

[dronepool]

Jay Briscoe probably secretly gives blowjobs in the locker room and hates himself for enjoying the taste of semen.

[The Condor]

All valid points.

[Poit]

IBut the guy who wants to say homosexuality is sick, or wrong, or disgusting and immoral, has his right as a fucking american to say, and feel whatever he wants without being chastised, or called out.

I was with you until the bolded part. Freedom to say whatever you want does not mean freedom to say whatever you want without repercussions.

If gay dudes want me to be accepting and tolerant (which I am) Then they damn sure better be tolerant and accepting of the fact that me and Jay want our sons to grow up and have sex with females, exclusively, that is the only way that it can be fair to both sides.

You do realize that what you want your son's sexuality to be may not be the case, right?

[Poit]

Also, this thread is only tangentially about wrestling. Shouldn't this be in the discussion forum or something?

[Rammsteinmad]

So you're whinging about people whinging about people whinging about gays? If people have the right to free speech, then the people who lash out at homophobes for any anti-gay statements should have every right to, without having to face a backlash from people like you.

[Tom Guycott]

Let's play a little game...

Its just crazy to me, how any time somebody has anything to say about a black person that is negative, they are made out to be a monster...

Here is the thing though, I have nothing against black people, I think people should do absolutely anything that makes them happy, as long as they are not hurting anyone else. But the guy who wants to say interracial couples are sick, or wrong, or disgusting and immoral, has his right as a fucking american to say, and feel whatever he wants without being chastised, or called out.

Its what we call a double standard, people dont want to be treated badly for being black, but they want to treat people like shit, unless they say "oh yea, being black is perfectly natural, and beautiful, there is nothing wrong about it at all whatsoever".

If you are light skinned and passing for white, and you know there is potential for backlash if you expose that secret, It is up to you, and only you, if you want to let that secret out and expose yourself to it. I'm so sick of people being told that they have to act, and talk, and feel a certain way about everything. Love and tolerance should always be shown amongst each other and human beings, but if someone has an opinion you dont fucking like, fucking deal with it!!!! It's called life, and it is time for people to stop thinking the world should revolve around them, and they can force people into thinking and feeling however they want them to about blacks.

Now for the question: do my edits make this seem more or less like a batshit argument to you? I mean, if you really feel so strongly about what you said, changing the directon of what is essentially the same viewpoint shouldn't make you uncomfortable in the least, which in turn, says something else about you entirely.

Now, I'm the first one to say that calling someone a fag (or retard, for that matter) is NOT the same as calling someone a nigger. In fact, I had a very dim view on that ad campaign for sexual eqality. I also have a particular view of the whole "born this way" statment not taking into account for those who feel as though it's a preference over genetic predetermination, or those who see sex as sex and really don't give a rat's ass who it's with- but that's another issue for another time.

In the case of Jay Brisco, there is a big difference in simply not being PC and being a goddamn idiot. Being stirred up enough to even sarcastically suggest somone should be shot in the face for telling your kid gay couples are a-ok? Are we overblowing The Westboro Baptist Church and any iteration of the KKK into "monsters" that they supposedly aren't because anything they say is protected by the first ammendment?

Being protected doesn't equate it to being appropriate, and even if he is a "lowly" indy wrestler, he's still, in a manner of speaking, a public figure. He broadcast his statement to the WORLD WIDE WEB, and as such, he opened himself up for any criticism. He should not only be "called on it", he should be expected to be called on it. It is understandable that homosexuality makes some people uncomfortable, and they're okay to feel that way... but are we, as the public, just supposed to let his comments slide and just shrug our shoulders and be like "oh, that's just how HE is"?

Again, just because he has the right to say it, doesn't mean he should've. Any heat he gets from this is really his own fucking fault. Plain and simple.

[Rasslin' Fan 29]

Would love it if Briscoe used this as an opportunity to turn heel and join SCUM.

"At least SCUM ain't gon' make me buddy buddy with some fag!" Could just see Briscoe saying something like that during a promo and the crowd going nuts. (all 10 of them anyways)

[Rasslin' Fan 29]

It'd be awesome if he gave Cary Silkin a Jay-Driller at the next show.

[The Rogerer]

has his right as a fucking american to say, and feel whatever he wants without being chastised, or called out.So americans are allowed freedom of speech but you advocate censorship for anyone who says anything about what he said. Brilliant.Also, this thread is only tangentially about wrestling. Shouldn't this be in the discussion forum or something?
Woop woop forum police

[Corporate CockSnogger]

Who?

[Kane Knight]

I hate it when people who threaten to shoot other people are made out to be the bad guy.

[BizarroKing]

Cary Silkin is apparently openly gay...Cary Silkin is the ROH prez...

We would like to wish Jay Briscoe well in his future endeavors.

[Curd]

I'd be interested in reading the Brisco Bros' eventual biography so I can better understand why they both had/have difficulty getting signed to a major promotion, even TNA, for so long.

Also, maybe Jay made the anti-gay comment to compensate for when he and Mark wore black eyeliner for a time in ROH. But now that Jay's gone off Twitter, I think it will be a while before we get his perspective again.

[Bad News Gertner]

They are about 5"0 vanilla midgets. That's why.

[Curd]

They are about 5"0 vanilla midgets. That's why.

Aha, the commonly co-morbid obstacles of stature and charisma strike again!

[Next Big Thing]

Apparently dude has a thing against homos... or for them.

http://www.cagesideseats.com/2011/6/27/2247315/rohs-jay-briscoe-shows-questionable-twitter-judgement

[Black Widow]

FUCK BRISCOE!! maybe i'll play his entrance theme next time i sleep with a girl.

[Rasslin' Fan 29]

So THAT'S what AJ lee's stands for. You're pretending to be her gf! I get it now.

[whiteyford]

And you're pretending to be a real person, so much in common.

[Rasslin' Fan 29]

Lol, keep dreaming. When have I ever pretended to be anyone I'm not? I am exactly who I say I am, Rasslin' Fan 29. I think you're actually someone pretending to be someone else. And don't be mad because me and the girl of your dreams (AJ Lee's) have so much in common.

[whiteyford]

So basically "I know you are but what am I", at least you've cut back on the racist bile with this account even if you still struggle to come across as an adult.

[Rasslin' Fan 29]

I dunno what racist bile you're talking about, you're the one with "whitey" in his username. I dunno how I struggle to come across as an adult when you just continually rant about every post I make. If my posts are so bad there is an ignore button. In my short time here I've done nothing wrong (that I'm aware of, sorry if I have) but you in particular come at me like you've got a problem with me.

[whiteyford]

Sure mike, sure.

[mike adamle]

So Jay Briscoe has a match against BJ Whitmer on Saturday for the belt. I'm guessing to appease the gay fans they'll have Briscoe lay down for a BJ in the middle of the ring, one-two-three, new champion.

The fans will then get in the ring and celebrate with Whitmer and all 10 fans will gang rape him in the middle of the ring while chanting "this is awesome" and "match of the year."

[KIRA]

Whether he should be allowed to say it because of freedom of speech or not, it's a stupid thing to say. If he is anti-gay, he is entitled to that belief, but he's an idiot for tweeting that and not expecting any backlash. Why not just keep quiet about it? It was such an unnecessary tweet.

I don't really know who Jay Briscoe is, but if he's considered WWE material, he pretty much just blew his chances.

I'd say yea he pretty much fucked himself as A WWE prospect,they have a HUGE anti-bullying campaign so he basically told them I'm a hateful, homophobic dumb ass, and he can apologize all wants he has blown it big time(there's a joke in there but I take the high road) not just with WWE but in general.

[mike adamle]

Jay Briscoe defends his title TOMORROW against BJ Whitmer! Also signed for the show is "Mr. Wrestling" Kevin Steen vs. "The Zombie Princess" Jimmy Jacobs. Jimmy Jacobs has been on quite a roll as of late and Steen has been on a slump, should be interesting for the 30 in attendance.

[mike adamle]

Also on the show Kyle Matthews will debut and take on "Unbreakable" Michael Elgin!

[screech]

I remember Mike being a pretty big fan of ROH not long ago.

At least he's totally living his new gimmick.

[whiteyford]

It's not a gimmick he really is this dumb.

[mike adamle]

I remember Mike being a pretty big fan of ROH not long ago.

At least he's totally living his new gimmick.

Was a pretty big fan up until about early 2009, maybe the end of Nigel's reign to be exact. Then the product steadily got worse. The last show I remember being really invested in was Final Battle 2010.

iPPV has kind of killed ROH for me. Since iPPV, all the indys wanna have contracts for talents making them exclusive to that promotion. Really kills a lot of the dream matches that were happening in 2002-2008 and makes things repetitive and boring. Plus Davey Richards and Kevin Steen are the main eventers now, I like Steen's character, but come on.

That's why PWG is king of indy wrestling today. They don't have iPPV's and can pick from basically anyone not in WWE or TNA.

[CSL]

so this was a pretty dumb thread huh

[mike adamle]

Only a few more hours until the show. I'm really anticipating the main event to see if they follow through and let BJ Whitmer win tonight.

[mike adamle]

Jay Briscoe retained the title last night against BJ Whitmer! Steve Corino announced on the show that "The Icon" MATT HARDY will be challenging for the belt at the June TV Tapings!

[mike adamle]

Although Jay Briscoe already has scheduled title defenses before that against Davey Richards one night, Eddie Edwards some other night, and Mark Briscoe at Best In The World. All of them should be fun matches.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Switch the title to either Davey Richards or Eddie Edwards (whichever is better these days) and then have Mark Briscoe get all pissy at whoever took his brother's title. Richards beats Mark Briscoe and then Matt Hardy wins the ROH Title from Richards after The Briscoes costs him the match. SCUM is on top of the world and The Briscoes and American Wolves have a tag team feud where The Briscoes are well and truly the bad guys.

[mike adamle]

I doubt that'll happen. What's more likely is Jay will beat Davey and Eddie and lose to Mark at Best In The World. Mark will then lose to Hardy on TV. Then Hardy will eventually lose to Michael Elgin.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I don't think Mark will win the title. Unless he turns on Jay hard.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Matt Hardy shouldn't be ROH World Champion, but I can actually see ROH putting it on him to try and get some attention for themselves.

[mike adamle]

Oh I definatley see them putting it on Matt Hardy with the way this SCUM angle is going.

[mike adamle]

Even if Mark doesn't win the title from Jay, Jay will lose it to Matt probably.

[AJHayes]

I'm sure that he just assumed that everyone knew he was a stupid redneck and that people would forgive him for his mental deficiencies.

He practiced free speech, he's allowed to have his own opinion, but, that doesn't mean that by using his right to free speech to express his opinion that others won't use their right to free speech to call him out for being a bigoted douche bag.

[voncouch]

It has obviously been a huge topic since Jason Collins became the first athlete in the "big 4" sports in north america to come out of the closet.

So homophobia has only been a big deal for less than a month?

[mike adamle]

Yeah

[#1-norm-fan]

Wait, didn't Mark Briscoe just lose his shot at the TV title? Now he's going for the World title?

[mike adamle]

Yeah, they're brothers and Best In The World is in Baltimore, close to their home town. I like how Michael Elgin beat Jay Lethal at Supercard of Honor (WrestleMania weekend) for #1 Contender of the ROH World Title. Since then Jay Briscoe beat Steen for the belt, then he defended it against Adam Cole and BJ Whitmer. He's scheduled to defend it against Davey Richards next. Eddie Edwards after that. His brother Mark Briscoe gets the next shot. And then Matt Hardy gets his shot the next night at the TV Tapings. Michael Elgin nowhere in that lineup lol.

[mike adamle]

Apparently Michael Elgin had a classic match against ACH at the show last week.

[mike adamle]

Just announced for the Best in the World iPPV: "Wrestling's Worst Nightmare" "Mr. Wrestling" Kevin Steen vs. "The Self Proclaimed Icon" Matt Hardy!!

[scatterbrain28]

I wonder if Jake will break the fourth wall and have a heel turn as a homophobic, bigoted redneck. I could see that being true if he gets booed in house shows in liberal towns.

[mike adamle]

I doubt it. The corporate ROH is pretty afraid of taking any chances when it comes to fun booking.

[mike adamle]

So it's looking like the team of redDRagon is gonna defend the ROH World Tag Team Championships at the Best In The World iPPV event against C & C Wrestle Factory!!!!!