The Big XBox Coming Out Party Feat. Don Mattrick (now XBone Discussion) [Archive] - Page 2

Drakul

06-05-2013, 05:57 AM

Right, well there are spoilers here so, if anyone reads this and hasn't finished Fable III, skip ahead.
There was the complaint that the game jumped from something like 100 days until the attack to 0 days so you think "Hmm, 100 days and I haven't reached my target gold amount. No problem, 100 days, I can still make up the missing gold tomorrow." And then it jumps to 0, I believe without any warning at all. Even if it did warn you on the last day, it's still too late because you were led to believe you had longer than you actually did.

There was my own complaint that I'm sure some others must have felt too that there really didn't seem to be a "good" way to be king/queen. Any choice you made screwed everything up. It was just a case of how you'd like to screw it up.

There were the glitches. Like John Cleeses character becoming mute after a certain point even though he isn't supposed to and others I can't recall. Didn't your family vanish in the castle?

It's been so long since I played it and since I've browsed the community but I do remember a somewhat lengthy list of issues.

Kalyx triaD

06-05-2013, 05:59 AM

The worst Fable game is still massively playable.

Drakul

06-05-2013, 06:02 AM

'AAA Gamer' complaints. It wasn't innovative as F1 or great as F2 ergo it 'failed'.

I think most of the problems were based on the design of the game. Like the whole telling us we have 100 days left to prepare when we actually don't have any days left at all.

It was fine for the first half. I think it was the Ruler section that wrecked it.

Kalyx triaD

06-05-2013, 06:06 AM

The Ruler section was lacking and could have been compelling. But it didn't ruin the game.

Drakul

06-05-2013, 06:07 AM

The worst Fable game is still massively playable.

I wouldn't know because, after running around for a little bit after the game ended, I never played it again.
I spent the entire game building up a whole "good" thing and because of what I swear must be some kind or "artsy" message, all that went to hell because of the whole decisions section and basically the entire ruler section.

In response to your last post here, Kalyx, it did ruin it for the reason I stated above. It's like playing a Metal Gear style game and choosing to play the game with stealth the entire way but, wether it's for a message or just bad design, the developer decides "Nah, no matter what you try here, we're going to make your entire game loud and action filled even if you try to choose the stealth option we're presenting to you. We're also going to tell you you have 100 bullets in your only gun and that there is more ammo up ahead but, if you try to fire it, you'll have 0 and the next room is the final boss. We wont tell you that, either."
It's sort of like that, to me.

Kalyx triaD

06-05-2013, 06:13 AM

Sorry to hear that.

The Rogerer

06-05-2013, 06:18 AM

Fable is bloody rubbish

Drakul

06-05-2013, 06:21 AM

Fable II was good enough that I hold out hope for Fable IV but III has made me a bit unsure.

Extreme Angle

06-05-2013, 06:26 AM

Black n White

Drakul

06-05-2013, 06:30 AM

Black and White was cool...wasn't it?

Kane Knight

06-05-2013, 08:01 AM

'AAA Gamer' complaints. It wasn't innovative as F1 or great as F2 ergo it 'failed'.

It was plenty "innovative." Almost everything people hated about it was "innovation."

But in a day and age when getting a score in the 80s or only selling five million copies of a game can be considered a failure....

AAA Gamer Complaints is essentially my gamer term for First World Problems.

Pretty much any game issue is a first world problem.

Black and White was cool...wasn't it?

Remember ALF?

James Steele

06-05-2013, 08:15 AM

I didn't lose my family in the castle. My wife denied me coitus, so I killed her.

Kalyx triaD

06-05-2013, 02:20 PM

My wife and kid just so happened to live in the town that was decimated before the final act. I never saw them again (most likely as a glitch, but fitting in a narrative way, I guess).

Emperor Smeat

06-06-2013, 08:23 PM

Microsoft clarified a few things and stances regarding the Xbox One.

Need to verify the console at least once a day or else offline gaming gets locked out until the next verification time. The reason is due to the changes done to the patch and game id system which forces the check ins to be done.
"With Xbox One you can game offline for up to 24 hours on your primary console, or one hour if you are logged on to a separate console accessing your library. Offline gaming is not possible after these prescribed times until you re-establish a connection

The used game fee system is now being considered as an optional feature similar to the PS4 if publishers want to enforce it or not. If the publisher doesn't want to do it, no fees are ever charged although still some restrictions.
"Xbox One is designed so game publishers can enable you to give your disc-based games to your friends. There are no fees charged as part of these transfers. There are two requirements: you can only give them to people who have been on your friends list for at least 30 days and each game can only be given once."

Clarified how game trading will work by saying there is a system in place that will allow loaning of games without needing extra fees and publishers can opt out of the general agreement to set up their own terms with retailers. The loaning and renting ability won't be available at launch though.
"Microsoft Studios will enable you to give your games to friends or trade in your Xbox One games at participating retailers. Third party publishers may opt in or out of supporting game resale and may set up business terms or transfer fees with retailers. Microsoft does not receive any compensation as part of this. In addition, third party publishers can enable you to give games to friends.

In regards to Kinect, by default its always listening but not actually recording anything due to the need to hear the words "Xbox On."
"The system will navigate you through key privacy options, like automatic or manual sign in, privacy settings, and clear notifications about how data is used," according to Microsoft. "When Xbox One is on and you’re simply having a conversation in your living room, your conversation is not being recorded or uploaded."

"If you don’t want the Kinect sensor on while playing games or enjoying your entertainment, you can pause Kinect. To turn off your Xbox One, just say 'Xbox Off.' When the system is off, it’s only listening for the single voice command -- 'Xbox On,' and you can even turn that feature off too. Some apps and games may require Kinect functionality to operate, so you’ll need to turn it back on for these experiences."

http://www.destructoid.com/xbox-one-games-require-online-verification-every-24-hours-255542.phtml

Kane Knight

06-06-2013, 09:47 PM

Yeah, fuck that shit.

Drakul

06-07-2013, 02:12 AM

Kalyx triaD

06-07-2013, 03:31 AM

Honestly, of all studios, Respawn Entertainment's Titanfall sounds pretty interesting to me.

Fignuts

06-07-2013, 03:39 AM

Still gonna keep an eye on how the PS4 progresses. WiiU purchase is inevitable, as local Wii multiplayer is a staple at our house.

But yeah, MS can go fuck themselves.

#BROKEN Hasney

06-07-2013, 04:02 AM

Still gonna keep an eye on how the PS4 progresses. WiiU purchase is inevitable, as local Wii multiplayer is a staple at our house.

But yeah, MS can go fuck themselves.

Same here. I think Sony is going to do something similar though. if Activision, EA and UbiSoft all went up to Sony and said "Well, MS is going to give us this... What are you going to do?", they'd have to cave in.

Drakul

06-07-2013, 04:10 AM

http://internetetec.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/nintendo-wins.jpg

Kane Knight

06-07-2013, 07:17 AM

I got about half way through Meatballs post before I thought the same as Kane Knight. I can live without playing Fable IV and any future (good) Rare game. Looks like it really is just the Wii U for me, this generation.

Probably going to be a PC for me. I already bought a new PSU and graphics card, and I need to buy a new MoBo because the people who assembled my computer are lying whores and claimed it had a PCIe 16X in it and I was dumb enough to read the specs instead of look, and it looks like I need a new case because of the front connectors....

Fuck it, I'll have pretty much a new build by November. And since I already have two controllers for it, and will have an HDMI out, I'll just use it to play "console" games on my TV.
I'll probably stick with the 360 for multiplayer as long as it's a thing, unless Sony BLOWS ME AWAY.

http://internetetec.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/nintendo-wins.jpg

All they had to do was fuck up the least. :p

Kane Knight

06-07-2013, 07:19 AM

Same here. I think Sony is going to do something similar though. if Activision, EA and UbiSoft all went up to Sony and said "Well, MS is going to give us this... What are you going to do?", they'd have to cave in.

They've already pulled a "leave it up to the publisher" line well before Microsoft even announced their shitty policy.

Drakul

06-07-2013, 08:41 AM

All they had to do was fuck up the least. :p

A win is a win.

Kane Knight

06-07-2013, 08:45 AM

'Tis, but I've been calling this a race to the bottom for ages, so don't blame me for sticking to it. :p

Sony and Microsoft seem like they've been locked into an eternal (or at least, multi-generational) struggle to see who can come up with the shittiest idea. Nintendo seems capable of making its own stupid mistakes, but they don't seem to be trying to win a gold for the biggest shitstain.

Emperor Smeat

06-07-2013, 04:07 PM

According to Giantbomb's sources, major publishers were pushing for months to have both Microsoft and Sony agree to an anti-used or fee system to be in place for their next gen consoles.

It also might explain why Microsoft and Sony both hinted its an optional system and not something mandatory for all publishers to use.

http://www.giantbomb.com/articles/major-publishers-silent-on-xbox-one-used-game-poli/1100-4659/

Could probably theorize that EA might have tried to push Nintendo to do something similar as part of their overall negotiations with them before it fell apart leading to the current ill will EA has with Nintendo.

Requiem

06-07-2013, 04:55 PM

So this just happened today. Looks like the Xbone is going down in flames before it even got off the ground. Sony just needs to sit the fuck back and they've got this generation locked down. Also, this was not mine.. I haven't really been a supporter of anything in this next-gen till now. Gotta say, don't plan on buying one of these now, and will probably just go with PS4 only.

http://i.imgur.com/ffOqkI4.jpg

Immortal Moose

06-07-2013, 05:09 PM

lol

While this big brother-esque institution that has popped up should be alarming; to think that Sony of America and Nintendo of America wouldn't follow suit given, adequate, pressure is laughable.

Kalyx triaD

06-07-2013, 05:16 PM

Gonna need more than a meme on that one. Seems pretty big.

Immortal Moose

06-07-2013, 05:20 PM

Gonna need more than a meme on that one. Seems pretty big.

*See Triple A's posts from the last few days.

Requiem

06-07-2013, 05:33 PM

lol

While this big brother-esque institution that has popped up should be alarming; to think that Sony of America and Nintendo of America wouldn't follow suit given, adequate, pressure is laughable.

The difference is that Sony doesn't have an always-on listening and watching device with facial recognition that requires an internet connection at least once every 24 hours.

Immortal Moose

06-07-2013, 05:36 PM

The difference is that Sony doesn't have an always-on listening and watching device with facial recognition that requires an internet connection at least once every 24 hours.

That you know of.

Edit: God I hope you don't have a cell phone.

Kalyx triaD

06-07-2013, 05:41 PM

*See Triple A's posts from the last few days.

About what? In Casual? Any link? Name of thread?

No offense but what kind of answer was that?

Immortal Moose

06-07-2013, 05:44 PM

About what? In Casual? Any link? Name of thread?

No offense but what kind of answer was that?

No offense taken. It was in casual, he has taken issue with Obama's invasions of privacy.

Here's an example:

y'all

the govt is viewing all our emails/chats/photos/files/everything from every internet company

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/06/us-tech-giants-nsa-data

from verified official document:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/special/politics/prism-collection-documents/images/prism-slide-4.jpg

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/special/politics/prism-collection-documents/images/prism-slide-5.jpg

Better?

Kalyx triaD

06-07-2013, 05:44 PM

We provide customer data only when we receive a legally binding order or subpoena to do so*, and never on a voluntary basis. In addition we only ever comply with orders for requests about specific accounts or identifiers. If the government has a broader voluntary national security program to gather customer data we don’t participate in it.

*Like every company ever, essentially what Immortal alluded to.

Requiem

06-07-2013, 05:46 PM

http://gizmodo.com/what-is-prism-511875267

Kalyx triaD

06-07-2013, 05:47 PM

And it certainly seems like every relevant company was in it for a while.

Immortal Moose

06-07-2013, 05:47 PM

*Like every company ever, essentially what Immortal alluded to.

Yep :D

Requiem

06-07-2013, 06:06 PM

I'm not saying the government doesn't have access already to any number of private facts about my life.

But it's practically inviting it to purchase a product thats defining feature is a mandatory peripheral that is always on, always listening for voice input, always looking for faces to recognize. Let's not forget that it -remembers- voices and faces, meaning it records information. And it requires an internet connection once every 24 hours to retain access to your games. Meaning it will always be connected, always available to upload data to Microsoft. Available to stream live if needed.

The possibilities are terrifying. Yeah, the NSA could be spying on any of us through our phones, emails, and computers. Sure. That's hardly our fault for purchasing or using technology that is almost a necessity if you live in a 1st world country. They could be doing it now for all I know.

It would be our fault however, to buy something we know is risky to begin with. Something we don't necessarily need, when there is an alternative product right across the aisle that DOESN'T claim to have these features.

Saying "You don't know that it doesn't" about the PS4 is dumb. People can buy the fucking things when they're out, open them up, and say "Hey guys, there's a camera here. And a microphone, holy shit." and the cat is out of the bag. Xbox is ADVERTISING it. Saying "Hey look what this does" while people keep saying "Um, I don't want it to do that. I want it to play games." which it doesn't even do well, if it requires an internet connection AND a peripheral just to work.

Requiem

06-07-2013, 06:13 PM

I'm really not trying to treat this like the console war of last generation either. I don't favor 360 or PS3 over one another. I own both, and a PC, and I like them all for different reasons. For different games. For playing with different people.

Microsoft is making this an easy choice for gamers though if this is what they've come up with this generation.

Immortal Moose

06-07-2013, 06:14 PM

Saying "You don't know that it doesn't" about the PS4 is dumb. People can buy the fucking things when they're out, open them up, and say "Hey guys, there's a camera here. And a microphone, holy shit." and the cat is out of the bag. Xbox is ADVERTISING it. Saying "Hey look what this does" while people keep saying "Um, I don't want it to do that. I want it to play games." which it doesn't even do well, if it requires an internet connection AND a peripheral just to work.

So what happens when they open up a PS4 and there's a camera? They haven't show the console

And how in the the hell do you know that the XBone doesn't play games well?

Immortal Moose

06-07-2013, 06:16 PM

Immortal Moose

06-07-2013, 06:17 PM

How about we just say fuck consoles and all move to computer games?
/kinda serious

Kane Knight

06-07-2013, 06:18 PM

lol

While this big brother-esque institution that has popped up should be alarming; to think that Sony of America and Nintendo of America wouldn't follow suit given, adequate, pressure is laughable.

Retarded people are retarded.

And how in the the hell do you know that the XBone doesn't play games well?

Pure fanboyism?

Kane Knight

06-07-2013, 06:19 PM

How about we just say fuck consoles and all move to computer games?
/kinda serious

Are you mad? Do you know who makes Windows?

THEY'RE EVERYWHERE!

Immortal Moose

06-07-2013, 06:24 PM

Are you mad? Do you know who makes Windows?

THEY'RE EVERYWHERE!

OH GOD, YOU'RE RIGHT!

Inadequacy

06-07-2013, 06:32 PM

Just wanted to point out that he was referring to a feature that will cause the XBone to not play games when he said it wouldn't play games well.

Thought that was pretty obvious.

Kalyx triaD

06-07-2013, 06:34 PM

Well... don't buy it.

Immortal Moose

06-07-2013, 06:37 PM

Just wanted to point out that he was referring to a feature that will cause the XBone to not play games when he said it wouldn't play games well.

Thought that was pretty obvious.

I realize that but well is subjective. It will still play game just as well except you have to have the Kinect connected. Put it in a cabinet if you're that concerned while it's still plugged in. Also playing porn at a lower volume so that the Kinect can't hear probably isn't a bad thing.

Kane Knight

06-07-2013, 06:46 PM

Shit man, you have to plug in ALL the parts of a game system for it to work? What a rip!

Requiem

06-07-2013, 06:48 PM

So what happens when they open up a PS4 and there's a camera? They haven't show the console

And how in the the hell do you know that the XBone doesn't play games well?

1. I'll repeat that I think that is a dumb hypothetical. What would you do if you opened up your wallet and found a microphone stitched into it in such a way that if you removed it, your wallet fell apart and stopped working? You'd buy a different fucking wallet wouldn't you. If the PS4 has a camera and a microphone secretly built into it, I'd be just as outraged. I'm not trying to just bash the Xbox and praise Sony here. But it's dumb to use a question like "what if the other was just like it?" when there's no reason to think it is so far.

2. Requires a peripheral in order to work. A dumb gimmicky peripheral at that, that didn't catch on last generation and isn't going to catch on this generation at the rate they're going. Requires an internet connection once per 24 hours or will not work. Checks for an internet connection once every hour if you're on a different console. Was discovered today that part of their patent was for the camera, stating the kinect won't work if the face of the person playing is not visible when it checks. If this feature is included, there goes the idea of taping over the camera that some people had. Their anti-used games crusade is basically geared toward keeping people from playing games unless they buy them brand new.

There's basically a slew of features that will PREVENT people from playing games. These are not consumer friendly features. These are corporate-friendly features. If the challenge is "Which console is better for playing games on?" then PS4 wins hands down based on the current evidence. You mean I can just plug the fucking thing in and play? Deal.

Requiem

06-07-2013, 06:49 PM

Just wanted to point out that he was referring to a feature that will cause the XBone to not play games when he said it wouldn't play games well.

Thought that was pretty obvious.

Yeah. Not talking about the hardware. As far as graphical and processing potential goes, the hardware of both systems is more than adequate and I don't place one over the other in that regard.

Immortal Moose

06-07-2013, 06:57 PM

1. I'll repeat that I think that is a dumb hypothetical. What would you do if you opened up your wallet and found a microphone stitched into it in such a way that if you removed it, your wallet fell apart and stopped working? You'd buy a different fucking wallet wouldn't you. If the PS4 has a camera and a microphone secretly built into it, I'd be just as outraged. I'm not trying to just bash the Xbox and praise Sony here. But it's dumb to use a question like "what if the other was just like it?" when there's no reason to think it is so far.

2. Requires a peripheral in order to work. A dumb gimmicky peripheral at that, that didn't catch on last generation and isn't going to catch on this generation at the rate they're going. Requires an internet connection once per 24 hours or will not work. Checks for an internet connection once every hour if you're on a different console. Was discovered today that part of their patent was for a camera that won't work if the face of the person playing is not visible when it checks. If this feature is included, there goes the idea of taping over the camera that some people had. Their anti-used games crusade is basically geared toward keeping people from playing games unless they buy them brand new.

There's basically a slew of features that will PREVENT people from playing games. These are not consumer friendly features. These are corporate-friendly features. If the challenge is "Which console is better for playing games on?" then PS4 wins hands down based on the current evidence. You mean I can just plug the fucking thing in and play? Deal.

1. First off until all features are revealed we cannot rely on anything except hyptheticals, even dumb ones. Continuing who says it's just a secret and they're not just letting Microsoft take the hit until they bandwagon. There's no reason to think it isn't like the other thus far either.

2. Say hi to the immensely successful Wii, or any other console that requires a peripheral to play it i.e. a controller. Also, the 24 hour thing is nothing but spout from Phil Harrison.

Based on current evidence, I don't have enough evidence.

Kane Knight

06-07-2013, 06:59 PM

You need a controller to play the Wii? That shit'll never sell.

Never.

Kalyx triaD

06-07-2013, 07:00 PM

I wouldn't count a controller as a peripheral, that's like counting the plug as an extra.

The Kinect is an extra that's pretending to be necessary.

Kane Knight

06-07-2013, 07:01 PM

You need a plug now?

Immortal Moose

06-07-2013, 07:02 PM

I wouldn't count a controller as a peripheral, that's like counting the plug as an extra.

The Kinect is an extra that's pretending to be necessary.

If we had a Holodeck you wouldn't dispute a camera.

Kane Knight

06-07-2013, 07:03 PM

The definition of "necessary" seems kind of arbitrary here, if I'm being serious. The Wii largely relied on an IR sensor. Probably wasn't necessary unless they wanted games to play a certain way.

Kalyx triaD

06-07-2013, 07:14 PM

The definition of "necessary" seems kind of arbitrary here, if I'm being serious. The Wii largely relied on an IR sensor. Probably wasn't necessary unless they wanted games to play a certain way.

Well the waggle waggle thing was a key feature of the Wii. So in that case it was very important. The Kinect doesn't do anything you can't do with a controller, remote, or phone (via smartglass). Of all these input methods the controller is the one to be most used, with Kinect only partially supported in core games and housing a pathetic games library of its own.

Imagine Smartglass being required on Xbox One, when it adds absolutely nothing really. If every X1 game required the Kinect for some reason, congrads Microsoft made the damn thing a necessity. But I don't see that happening.

I can care less about the Big Brother shit people pretend to be angry about. Far as I know the government is well aware of my porn preferences and has been for years. Whatever. What bothers me is watching some piece of shit camera, however hi tech it honestly is, get promoted like it 'changed the game' last time around. It's... annoying.

Immortal Moose

06-07-2013, 07:17 PM

Kinect, for me, means more achievements and sitting at 217,545 gs leaves me wanting more.

Kalyx triaD

06-07-2013, 07:18 PM

Makes no sense but do what you gotta do.

Immortal Moose

06-07-2013, 07:33 PM

Makes no sense but do what you gotta do.

Nothing about achievements makes sense.

Kalyx triaD

06-07-2013, 09:16 PM

True.

Kane Knight

06-07-2013, 11:36 PM

Well the waggle waggle thing was a key feature of the Wii. So in that case it was very important. The Kinect doesn't do anything you can't do with a controller, remote, or phone (via smartglass). Of all these input methods the controller is the one to be most used, with Kinect only partially supported in core games and housing a pathetic games library of its own.

Imagine Smartglass being required on Xbox One, when it adds absolutely nothing really. If every X1 game required the Kinect for some reason, congrads Microsoft made the damn thing a necessity. But I don't see that happening.

I can care less about the Big Brother shit people pretend to be angry about. Far as I know the government is well aware of my porn preferences and has been for years. Whatever. What bothers me is watching some piece of shit camera, however hi tech it honestly is, get promoted like it 'changed the game' last time around. It's... annoying.

Again, this seems like an ass-backwards justification for why one is okay and one is not.

Kane Knight

06-07-2013, 11:45 PM

I'd probably respond to the smartglass thing as I did with the Wii U thing. Meh.

Kalyx triaD

06-08-2013, 12:13 AM

I dont think any of this shit is okay. Its all pretty gay.

Tom Guycott

06-08-2013, 01:44 AM

I wouldn't count a controller as a peripheral, that's like counting the plug as an extra.

The Kinect is an extra that's pretending to be necessary.

Exactly. You buy a DVD player, you NEED the remote. You could just use the face buttons, but usually only for basic functions like on/off, play and eject.

However, you shouldn't need an external, usb powered popcorn popper. Sounds like a quaint idea, but not having this should not prevent you from using the device/media/TV combination.

The "privacy invasion" stuff always happens in waves, and will fade to the background. The major issue is bogging the product down with "features" nobody gives a fuck about. "XBOX ON" sounds all well and good, but what if you're mute? I shouldn't NEED to have my face scanned like I'm entering C.O.N.T.R.O.L. just to play a single player game of Pac-Man to kill 15 minutes or so. And, what if the Xbone Kinnect has the same issues of the current gen Kinnect as it pertains to sometimes having issues with not always detecting darker skinned people? If I want to jump into a game of Halo, I have to hope the system doesn't freak out like a neglected puppy unless I have every light in the room on and standing in direct sunlight.

I've already voiced.. er... typed my displeasure in having to cart my current 360 over somone elses house to connect to the internet so I can update permissions on my system to be able to play single player games I've downloaded offline, so imagine what I must think about making more hoops to jump through for even physical copy. Having you check in once a day like Microsoft is your PO to use anything seems like a slap in the face. Even if this is spposedly conjecture, it is conjecture that hasn't been shot down.

Any and every thing the EXTRA peripheral is "needed" for isn't really "needed" in the first place.

Blitz

06-08-2013, 01:49 AM

Remember the days when debates about consoles didn't begin till after people had seem them actually playing games?

Tom Guycott

06-08-2013, 02:17 AM

Those days ended when the companies decided they wanted to get as much money out of people before they even delivered.

Also, "seeing them playing games" is even suspect anymore with pre-rendered, pre-scripted mock ups of supposed gameplay that may or may not even use the actual game engine.

This is supposed to be a game system used for playing games, but we're being sold on everything else it's supposedly capable of with a noticable absence of substance on said games.

Kalyx triaD

06-08-2013, 04:59 AM

This isn't even about the games anyway. Halo 5 could be the most badass shooter ever but I'm still gonna wonder why some fancy webcam needs to be connected to the console. It's a pretty good guess that whatever the Kinect is there for we could do with a controller. It's not something we need to 'play first' to know.

Kalyx triaD

06-08-2013, 05:00 AM

Now that I think about it, what are you actually responding to, Blitz? Don't think any of us complained about the games.

#BROKEN Hasney

06-08-2013, 05:26 AM

Also, the 24 hour thing is nothing but spout from Phil Harrison.

Nah, they clarified the 24 hour thing officially. You do have to sign in.

http://news.xbox.com/2013/06/connected

Kalyx triaD

06-08-2013, 05:55 AM

Totally making sure I have all three consoles next gen. Gaming on one doesn't look like it'll work out like it did. Feels oldschool really.

The Rogerer

06-08-2013, 06:16 AM

What?

Kane Knight

06-08-2013, 08:25 AM

Remember the days when debates about consoles didn't begin till after people had seem them actually playing games?

Remember when game consoles were actually treated as game consoles by the console manufacturers?

...Now that I think of it, there miiiiiight be a connection hurrr.

Fignuts

06-08-2013, 01:56 PM

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation/7417-Next-Gen-Buyers-Guide

Kane Knight

06-08-2013, 02:09 PM

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Kalyx triaD

06-11-2013, 03:49 AM

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The Rogerer

06-11-2013, 04:25 AM

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Thanks for posting something now rendered obselete

The Rogerer

06-11-2013, 05:28 AM

I can do that too
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Kane Knight

06-11-2013, 11:17 AM

Thanks for posting something now rendered obselete

You're seriously whining about me embedding something Fignuts posted?

SlickyTrickyDamon

06-11-2013, 11:43 AM

What were the complaints about Fable III? I loved all the Fable games.

My only problem with Fable 3 was obnoxious assholes in online-game chat which is normal for all games. Fable 3 was pure awesomeness.

SlickyTrickyDamon

06-11-2013, 11:49 AM

$500 for the Xbox One.

Fignuts

06-11-2013, 12:53 PM

You're seriously whining about me embedding something Fignuts posted?

Yeah, but I'm lovable, so no one's gonna call out me.

Emperor Smeat

06-11-2013, 01:02 PM

Square Enix announced the Xbox One will also get Final Fantasy XV and Kingdom Hearts III.

http://www.destructoid.com/kingdom-hearts-iii-will-also-be-on-the-xbox-one-256037.phtml
http://www.destructoid.com/final-fantasy-xv-coming-to-xbox-one-in-direct-x-11-256036.phtml

Kalyx triaD

06-11-2013, 01:14 PM

Oh cool.

Curtis

06-11-2013, 01:19 PM

Okay Sony wont have horrible spying DRM in PS4 and wont ban used games and actually shows off indie games.
Now we know what company is about GAMERS next gen.

Kane Knight

06-11-2013, 04:41 PM

Yeah, but I'm lovable, so no one's gonna call out me.

It's more Rog will look for any excuse to bitch about me, but either way.

Ultra Mantis

06-12-2013, 08:55 AM

Kane Knight

06-12-2013, 09:17 AM

It's like they actively don't want gamers to buy the One.

#BROKEN Hasney

06-12-2013, 10:10 AM

This is why Dead Rising 3 looked shit:

http://www.destructoid.com/dead-rising-3-designed-to-appeal-to-call-of-duty-fans-256136.phtml

In a GameSpot report, Capcom demonstrated exactly how terminally bloody stupid the mainstream game industry truly is, confessing that Dead Rising 3 is planning to appeal to Call of Duty fans. Because of course, following the leader is exactly how you lead!

In a bid to, yes, "appeal to a wider audience," Dead Rising 3 has been given a brown color scheme, a serious tone, and a "realistic" approach. As if going down a checklist of bullshit PR phrases, Capcom also promises the violence will be "more visceral."

It would appear the publisher learned nothing from Resident Evil 6, a game that also ignored everything its series was founded on in a desperate, blind, pathetic attempt to grasp for an audience that was too busy playing Call of Duty to notice a poor attempting at aping Call of Duty. This is a lesson major publishers seem to refuse to accept, as they perpetuate the same cycle of failure they're been spinning on for the past few years.

As I'm always frigging saying, companies will shoot themselves in the foot if they keep insanely believing they can photocopy Call of Duty's success by scraping pitifully in its shadow. They need to start leading their own markets, rather than grab slices of a market already conquered.

But no, that requires too much thought. Better to just smash existing games with their own unique appeal, and reconstruct them into some bastard mutant that is everything and nothing at once.

Kane Knight

06-12-2013, 10:38 AM

This is why Dead Rising 3 looked shit:

http://www.destructoid.com/dead-rising-3-designed-to-appeal-to-call-of-duty-fans-256136.phtml

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(Plus, it'll give Team Gormless another reason to whine about me!)

The Rogerer

06-12-2013, 10:50 AM

Why would I complain about that?

Kane Knight

06-12-2013, 10:57 AM

It meets the criteria on your flowchart.

The Rogerer

06-12-2013, 11:19 AM

It absolutely does not. Don't pretend to understand.

Kane Knight

06-12-2013, 12:01 PM

It's a two step chart. It's not exactly difficult to follow.

Disturbed316

06-12-2013, 07:14 PM

Dead Rising has always been about the bright colours and humour, I cant see anyone running around in some of the previous outfits in the third one.

Oh and that announcement about getting a 360 if you don't have the internet is the dumbest thing they could have said and certainly not going to help things.

Kalyx triaD

06-12-2013, 07:15 PM

Which wouldn't happen unless you get the DLC anyway.

Tom Guycott

06-17-2013, 01:35 AM

The Don has addressed any consumers worried about internet connectivity issues.

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Oh dear.

It's like they actively don't want gamers to buy the One.

http://confusedmatthew.com/images/theproducers2005maxandleo.jpg
You may be on to something...

Also, unless it is based on another M$ decision, seems like GS is kinda being passive-aggressive about this particular machine... the preorder price is $100 instead of the usual $50 down for a new launching system. PS4 follows the standard $50 price point. Hm.

Kane Knight

06-17-2013, 09:35 AM

http://confusedmatthew.com/images/theproducers2005maxandleo.jpg
You may be on to something...

Barrowman!

Also, unless it is based on another M$ decision, seems like GS is kinda being passive-aggressive about this particular machine... the preorder price is $100 instead of the usual $50 down for a new launching system. PS4 follows the standard $50 price point. Hm.

I have trouble believing this will be a bad thing for Gamestop. "Participating retailers" will almost certainly be them, and they're suich a force in the market they're almost certain to get a bigger and better deal.

Kane Knight

06-17-2013, 09:39 AM

Just a side note, I really do wish Microsoft would get its shit together. Angry Jew did an interview with Major Nelson, and the Major was once again contradicting the talking points of other folks from Microsoft.

Given Larry's typical function as spokesman and promoter for the company, I'm inclined to believe his version of things is more accurate. But I don't know how accurate "more accurate" is, and it still indicates a core problem here: people who don't know what the fuck they're on about saying things they have no business saying.

VSG

06-19-2013, 01:10 PM

http://www.cinemablend.com/games/www.cinemablend.com/games/Xbox-One-Games-E3-We%C2%ADre-Running-Windows-7-With-Nvid%C2%ADia-GTX-Cards-56737.html

Wow

Kalyx triaD

06-19-2013, 02:26 PM

Thought that was the norm for most of E3.

Emperor Smeat

06-19-2013, 02:35 PM

From what I've read about that situation, its mainly because those dev kits and games were being developed well before Windows 8 was available.

Microsoft didn't have the Windows 8 dev kits finished in time to make the switch be possible for their E3 plans. Those kits have the actual card and porting tools needed to finish development.

Kalyx triaD

06-19-2013, 02:38 PM

You'd think they would be ahead of that.

VSG

06-19-2013, 03:05 PM

I was referring to the part where MS defended using Win 7 w/Nvidia GTX 780 (most likely) as a "comparable" kit to the XBOX One using an AMD APU with its ~7790 GPU. The GTX 700 series cards are waaaaaaaaaay more powerful than the AMD 7790.

Emperor Smeat

06-19-2013, 03:07 PM

You'd think they would be ahead of that.

Maybe if Windows 8 was released earlier in 2012 and not around last October.

Between the time needed to create that major version of the dev kit and the time needed for porting as well as testing probably didn't leave enough time to guarantee all the projects would be ready for E3.

Kalyx triaD

06-19-2013, 03:12 PM

Well they need to tighten the fuck up. They can't be a company that big trying to stuff crap down people's throats while secretly winging it behind the scenes. It's... unprofessional.

Emperor Smeat

06-19-2013, 04:05 PM

Report: Microsoft To Drop Used Game Restrictions, Online Requirements

In what might be the most dramatic reversal in the gaming industry, Microsoft is reportedly changing course on many of the concerns related to the Xbox One. These include a 180 degree shift on used games and online requirements.

According to a report published on Giant Bomb, Microsoft will be dropping the 24-hour license renewal "check ins" we were told the system requires. Additionally, retail discs will be handled identically to what we experience now on the Xbox 360. This includes trading in and loaning to friends. An internet connection will only be required when setting up the console, and region locks will be disabled.

This news follows our interview with Microsoft Studios corporate vice president Phil Spencer, who assured us that Microsoft is listening to community feedback. We've reached out to the company for comment.
http://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2013/06/19/report-microsoft-to-drop-used-game-restrictions-online-requirements.aspx

Kalyx triaD

06-19-2013, 04:07 PM

Interesting...

Disturbed316

06-19-2013, 04:52 PM

Interesting indeed. If they get rid of the check in's, current used game policies and the heavy reliance on Kinect, I may consider it. I'm still leaning towards the PS4 though.

RoXer

06-19-2013, 04:58 PM

http://news.xbox.com/2013/06/update

Last week at E3, the excitement, creativity and future of our industry was on display for a global audience.

For us, the future comes in the form of Xbox One, a system designed to be the best place to play games this year and for many years to come. As is our heritage with Xbox, we designed a system that could take full advantage of advances in technology in order to deliver a breakthrough in game play and entertainment. We imagined a new set of benefits such as easier roaming, family sharing, and new ways to try and buy games. We believe in the benefits of a connected, digital future.

Since unveiling our plans for Xbox One, my team and I have heard directly from many of you, read your comments and listened to your feedback. I would like to take the opportunity today to thank you for your assistance in helping us to reshape the future of Xbox One.

You told us how much you loved the flexibility you have today with games delivered on disc. The ability to lend, share, and resell these games at your discretion is of incredible importance to you. Also important to you is the freedom to play offline, for any length of time, anywhere in the world.

So, today I am announcing the following changes to Xbox One and how you can play, share, lend, and resell your games exactly as you do today on Xbox 360. Here is what that means:

An internet connection will not be required to play offline Xbox One games – After a one-time system set-up with a new Xbox One, you can play any disc based game without ever connecting online again. There is no 24 hour connection requirement and you can take your Xbox One anywhere you want and play your games, just like on Xbox 360.

Trade-in, lend, resell, gift, and rent disc based games just like you do today – There will be no limitations to using and sharing games, it will work just as it does today on Xbox 360.

In addition to buying a disc from a retailer, you can also download games from Xbox Live on day of release. If you choose to download your games, you will be able to play them offline just like you do today. Xbox One games will be playable on any Xbox One console -- there will be no regional restrictions.

These changes will impact some of the scenarios we previously announced for Xbox One. The sharing of games will work as it does today, you will simply share the disc. Downloaded titles cannot be shared or resold. Also, similar to today, playing disc based games will require that the disc be in the tray.

We appreciate your passion, support and willingness to challenge the assumptions of digital licensing and connectivity. While we believe that the majority of people will play games online and access the cloud for both games and entertainment, we will give consumers the choice of both physical and digital content. We have listened and we have heard loud and clear from your feedback that you want the best of both worlds.

Thank you again for your candid feedback. Our team remains committed to listening, taking feedback and delivering a great product for you later this year.

alvarado52

06-19-2013, 05:13 PM

Beautiful. That is a BIG deal.

ClockShot

06-19-2013, 05:40 PM

Big news, but too little too late.

Now just ditch the Kinect and drop the price, and you might convince me to buy one.

alvarado52

06-19-2013, 05:46 PM

The Xbox One is dead...

LONG LIVE THE XBOX 180

LoDownM

06-19-2013, 06:44 PM

Like Clockshot said, they need to drop the Kinect requirement and price. 100 bucks is a big deal still.

alvarado52

06-19-2013, 06:56 PM

Cmon, no rep for that Xbox 180 thing? I thought it was pretty clever...

edit: Smelly Meatball :love:

ClockShot

06-19-2013, 06:58 PM

I'll give ya some Al, even though about a few thousand people beat ya to it on a bunch of other sites.

Kane Knight

06-19-2013, 07:21 PM

It's a shame they were still telling us to fuck off just yesterday.

Kane Knight

06-19-2013, 07:21 PM

I'm glad that they reversed course, but I think it's too little, too late.

At least, for me.

Though I won't outright refuse to get one.

alvarado52

06-19-2013, 07:36 PM

I'll give ya some Al, even though about a few thousand people beat ya to it on a bunch of other sites.

:\

alvarado52

06-19-2013, 07:40 PM

I'm glad that they reversed course, but I think it's too little, too late.

I've heard this a few times now, and still dont get it.

The consoles arent even out yet, but some how it's "too little too late". Like you've somehow invested into the PS4.

Kane Knight

06-19-2013, 07:50 PM

I've heard this a few times now, and still dont get it.

The consoles arent even out yet, but some how it's "too little too late". Like you've somehow invested into the PS4.

I'm not invested in the PS4, and that's not generally what people mean when they say "too little, too late." To the non-mouth breathers in the room, it refers to the damage done in terms of consumer confidence and the like.

In my case, I'm not exactly likely to reward people who were telling us to fuck off even as they were planning to backtrack.

Don't be that guy, dude. You're not that stupid.

Kalyx triaD

06-19-2013, 07:53 PM

That doesn't make sense, KK. Shouldn't this kind of radical back-step instill confidence in consumers?

So what; Microsoft is hated for doing and then... not doing? It's no-win for them over restrictions nobody ever actually experienced (and never will)? And if gamers always had this 'one strike and you're out' mentality, how in the holy shit would they consider a Sony console after a pathetic PS3 launch and a historic month-long network outage?

Like Alva, I fail to see how this is consistent, and not just fanboys shifting the goal post. Perhaps a mouthbreather could explain it to me.

Kane Knight

06-19-2013, 07:55 PM

Is this a Triad thing? Like you guys are taking an intentionally narrow view of statements to come up with the stupidest possible arguments?

Okay, then. Moving on.

Kane Knight

06-19-2013, 07:55 PM

And yeah, it always was kind of a no-win deal once they went down that path. So what.

Kalyx triaD

06-19-2013, 07:57 PM

LOL "So what"? Are you fucking serious right now?

Kalyx triaD

06-19-2013, 07:58 PM

Take a deep breath and say it with me, KK, "Yeah guys, I guess you're right."

Simple. And I bet the world won't even blow up right after you say it.

Kane Knight

06-19-2013, 08:00 PM

LOL "So what"? Are you fucking serious right now?

Well, so what?

I'll be waiting while you struggle with an answer.

Kane Knight

06-19-2013, 08:01 PM

Take a deep breath and say it with me, KK, "Yeah guys, I guess you're right."

Simple. And I bet the world won't even blow up right after you say it.

It wouldn't be world-ending, no. I just don't like to lie.

Kalyx triaD

06-19-2013, 08:01 PM

You're amazing. Good day, sir.

Ultra Mantis

06-19-2013, 08:02 PM

Thanking Microsoft over this is like thanking a mugger for not stabbing you while he took your wallet, even though he originally told you he just wanted to stab somebody tonight.

Kane Knight

06-19-2013, 08:04 PM

You're amazing. Good day, sir.

You have no answer.

alvarado52

06-19-2013, 08:26 PM

that's not generally what people mean when they say "too little, too late." To the non-mouth breathers in the room, it refers to the damage done in terms of consumer confidence and the like.

I guess I'm just not that emotionally invested in my gaming console and big corporation to feel scorned by my lover.

They had a business plan, saw that it sucked, listened to consumers and their competition and adjusted. End of story, nothing more nothing less.

Kane Knight

06-19-2013, 09:06 PM

I guess I'm just not that emotionally invested in my gaming console and big corporation to feel scorned by my lover.

You're just emotionally invested enough to try and take the most ridiculous slant on it to make it look like a completely different statement.

I also like how the guy comparing it to a violent crime is fine. The one talking about consumer confidence is the bad guy.

Kane Knight

06-19-2013, 09:08 PM

I'm still waiting for an explanation as to why I should bother buying an Xbone. So far I've got "you don't trust them after they did something untrustworthy? That's unfair!" From Kalyx.

Kalyx triaD

06-19-2013, 09:19 PM

Why the fucking fuck would I care if you buy an Xbox One? Where are you getting that from?

And feel good we replied to you, the guy who compared it to murder wasn't worth replying to. See how that works, or are you still gonna be all, "Well what about him?!"

Kalyx triaD

06-19-2013, 09:21 PM

Basically instead of conceding your point, you just turned this into utter nonsense for no damn reason. I don't get it at all. I have no qualms with you, I just don't see where this is coming from.

Kane Knight

06-19-2013, 09:24 PM

Why the fucking fuck would I care if you buy an Xbox One? Where are you getting that from?

The same place you guys are inferring an emotional investment. Don't be a hypocrite, now.

Kane Knight

06-19-2013, 09:25 PM

Basically instead of conceding your point

Yes, I should concede my point with no good reason. I'm in the wrong for not folding because ponies.

Meanwhile, a dude just compared it to theft and assault, but that's okay, because ponies.

Kalyx triaD

06-19-2013, 09:32 PM

The same place you guys are inferring an emotional investment. Don't be a hypocrite, now.

*buzzer*

Kalyx triaD

06-19-2013, 09:33 PM

Meanwhile, a dude just compared it to theft and assault, but that's okay, because ponies.

Because it wasn't worth replying to. He was probably taking the piss anyway. I kinda can't believe that is a thing for you. Let it go.

Kane Knight

06-19-2013, 09:42 PM

Because it wasn't worth replying to. He was probably taking the piss anyway. I kinda can't believe that is a thing for you. Let it go.

If it's worth you guys distorting the truth for the sake of an argument, you probably shouldn't tell someone else to let it go.

alvarado52

06-19-2013, 10:11 PM

Why would I reply to someone to compared Microsoft to physical assault? That's a waste of time to even consider for a moment.

Then again, having these discussions with you seem to yield similar results.

Kane Knight

06-19-2013, 10:12 PM

These changes will impact some of the scenarios we previously announced for Xbox One. The sharing of games will work as it does today, you will simply share the disc. Downloaded titles cannot be shared or resold. Also, similar to today, playing disc based games will require that the disc be in the tray.

I will say this: it is kind of a shame this was an all-or-nothing proposal.

Emperor Smeat

06-19-2013, 10:24 PM

Think even if the digital sharing staid, it probably would have been eventually gimped by publishers. They were a big reason why Sony had to cut it back to just 2 people for the PS4 (and I think for newer PS3 games).

If they gave a fuss over 5 people being allowed to share a copy, no way they would have been pleased with the Xbox One having 10 being possible for a long period of time.

Kane Knight

06-19-2013, 10:52 PM

Well, with an hourly online check-in and one-at-a-time functionality, it was already pretty gimped.

Tom Guycott

06-19-2013, 11:24 PM

An internet connection will not be required to play offline Xbox One games – After a one-time system set-up with a new Xbox One, you can play any disc based game without ever connecting online again. There is no 24 hour connection requirement and you can take your Xbox One anywhere you want and play your games, just like on Xbox 360.

Trade-in, lend, resell, gift, and rent disc based games just like you do today – There will be no limitations to using and sharing games, it will work just as it does today on Xbox 360.

In other words, a massive "DAY ONE" (achievement unlocked: corrected a major fuck-up) patch to overwrite the intended bullshit, and at the same time, cause some other intererm problems that will need to be addressed due to initial projects being designed pre apology.

Tom Guycott

06-19-2013, 11:30 PM

They had a business plan, saw that it sucked, listened to consumers and their competition and adjusted. End of story, nothing more nothing less.

I honestly don't think they "saw that it sucked" as much as it was ALREADY hurting them financially. They likely expected huge preorder numbers and no outrage whatsoever. I think the execs still believe the original plan was a damn fine idea, and can't for the life of them figure out where they went wrong in assuming the masses wanted massive restrictions and caveats placed on their hobby of choice.

alvarado52

06-19-2013, 11:42 PM

well by saw that it sucked I really meant saw the numbers/reaction and realized it sucked.

Kane Knight

06-19-2013, 11:55 PM

I honestly don't think they "saw that it sucked" as much as it was ALREADY hurting them financially. They likely expected huge preorder numbers and no outrage whatsoever. I think the execs still believe the original plan was a damn fine idea, and can't for the life of them figure out where they went wrong in assuming the masses wanted massive restrictions and caveats placed on their hobby of choice.

Gamestop is saying the PS4 is outselling 2 to 1 right now (pre-orders, obv, before someone tries to take that out of proportion too), so there's probably a lot of validity there.

The baffling part is how hard they fought against it even as that response was coming in.

Tom Guycott

06-20-2013, 12:22 AM

I already said the GameStop pre-order price may have a bit to do with that ($100 vs traditional $50), as well. Half the money down on a less expensive and (until now) less gimped system has cards stacked against Microsoft. Not saying Microsoft didn't shoot themselves in the foot already, but GS may have filed the bullet tips to spread the shrapnel a bit more.

The reason why I wasn't sure if it were a GameStop decision on the price or one by Microsoft themselves stems from the fact that I worked retail at the launch of the initial XBOX. THEY requred the bundle from ALL retailers (where you HAD to reserve 3 titles, one of which was almost guaranteed to be HALO because people were already planning on getting Madden, so they didn't want some unproven football title in NFL Fever, nor were they getting both Fever AND Madden- and one of the three choices HAD to be Fever or HALO). They might have dreamt up the price point as some sort of... compensation... for the "Day One" achievement, for whatever that's worth. They thought all the DRM so all the little game-stealing criminals could check in with their Parole Officer Microsoft was grand, so who am I to doubt THEY thought asking for more up front was a sensible thing to do.

Kalyx triaD

06-20-2013, 12:29 AM

What so Gamestop really did try to fuck them over?

Tom Guycott

06-20-2013, 12:32 AM

Don't know, because a) that was the only retailer I visited, since I used to work there, and b) Either side coming up with that plan doesn't surprise me in the least. Because the flipside is that GameStop will bitch and moan about publishers treating them like legalized pirates, but when the advertising dollars come a-rollin' in, they shut up and and add more wall and gondola space for empty mockups for shit they want presell numbers on.

Ever wonder why there was a big-ass display of empty box art for anything EA in the stores? Or, why Microsoft seems to domineer about 70% of a store's wallspace? It wasn't because of the superior number of titles to the other two, and Nintendo seems to have to cram everything for the Wii and DS into one store corner?

Kalyx triaD

06-20-2013, 12:33 AM

Messy situation.

Tom Guycott

06-20-2013, 12:55 AM

Quite. But let's go with the notion that GameStop as a company DID try to fuck them over, most of your rank and file store employees, have their ear to the streets and most are generally gamers themselves. Even with the playing field leveled, the Xbone would make for the harder cold sell.

For all the monumental mistakes Sony has made with their current generation of systems, they seem to be learning from all of theirs AND capitalizing on those of Microsoft now. Hell, there may even be a third option where BOTH systems were planned at a $100 presale, and Sony thought twice and dropped when they announced it as another jab to Microsoft. Sort of like Madden vs. 2K, just on a larger scale.

Kane Knight

06-20-2013, 01:25 AM

I already said the GameStop pre-order price may have a bit to do with that ($100 vs traditional $50), as well.

It may, but it doesn't look like Gamestop's alone here, though we don't know the proportions exactly.

While I can't preclude it, I seriously doubt Gamestop would end up on the outs here. They were in a position to end up with borderline monopolistic status, and I doubt that kind of security is something they'd shit on. Publishers are still scared of Gamestop, which is why they actively cater to them even as they piss and moan that they're killing the game industry.

I have trouble believing Microsoft has the balls to actively alienate such a major force. And this is considering what they tried to pull on the customers.

But again, I don't know for sure. This is suspicion and theory, and it's especially hard since we don't know where the increase in pre-order price came from.

alvarado52

06-20-2013, 01:28 AM

Keep in mind PS4 was leading the pace on Amazon as well from what I understand, and they require no money down for the preorder.

Tom Guycott

06-20-2013, 01:34 AM

I have trouble believing Microsoft has the balls to actively alienate such a major force. And this is considering what they tried to pull on the customers.

Unless the dreamt up endgame was to think everyone would just decide games on demand would be considered less of a hassle; more convenient, and they would justrely heavily on direct purchaces. You know, since you have to be logged in all the time anyhow, and in the same way that you would be feisably paying them for the convenience of watching TV on your Xbone without being assed to pick up your remote to do the same thing without two additional Microsoft money walls (whatever they'll call the new iteration of Live and the TV service itself).

Never underestimate corporate stupidity. I have a story about Pokemon cards that I use as the perfect parable of such stupidity. And those are the types of decisions suits make everyday based on a encapsulation of degrees and stats and projections instead of real-world data, understanding people, and even sometimes just plain common sense.

Kane Knight

06-20-2013, 01:35 AM

The PS4 was #1 and #3 in sales rank in game consoles. And that's before all the bundles were put up on Amazon. We don't have exact numbers, but it's a safe guess it's the better seller here.

Kane Knight

06-20-2013, 01:37 AM

Unless the dreamt up endgame was to think everyone would just decide games on demand would be considered less of a hassle; more convenient, and they would justrely heavily on direct purchaces. You know, since you have to be logged in all the time anyhow, and in the same way that you would be feisably paying them for the convenience of watching TV on your Xbone without being assed to pick up your remote to do the same thing without two additional Microsoft money walls (whatever they'll call the new iteration of Live and the TV service itself).

And good luck selling your consoles through digital distribution.

Tom Guycott

06-20-2013, 02:02 AM

Requiem

06-20-2013, 02:33 AM

Cmon, no rep for that Xbox 180 thing? I thought it was pretty clever...

edit: Smelly Meatball :love:

reddit already did it

Tom Guycott

06-20-2013, 02:41 AM

Also, if it makes you feel any better, alvie, I gave it a hearty "YEEEAAAAAAHHHHHHHH!!!" and put sunglasses on when I read it.

#BROKEN Hasney

06-20-2013, 04:44 AM

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#BROKEN Hasney

06-20-2013, 04:45 AM

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Ultra Mantis

06-20-2013, 07:08 AM

I guess TPWW just doesn't do pathos.

Kane Knight

06-20-2013, 10:19 AM

http://i.minus.com/ibg0CV6YpxwKmO.gif

Thank God for creepy Jim!

I guess TPWW just doesn't do pathos.

You're asking a bunch of self-diagnosed autistics with a "haters gonna hate" attitude to understand human emotions.

Crazy.

Kane Knight

06-20-2013, 10:39 AM

Just noticed I didn't spell "justify" correctly. And I edited that response about 3 times.

Again, corporate stupidity. I'm convinced they will somehow tie the recent Washington "Big Brother" scare to the reason why people disliked the always on idea instead of coming to terms with the fact that it would have made people uncomfortable either way. Not just in a creepy, always watching way, but also in a why-should-I-have-to-yell-at-my-TV-instead-of-pushing-a-damn-button way. The fact that it took them this long to come to the notion of retracting the DRM this long after people bitched about it even while it was unconfirmed rumor is telling of such a disconnect.

"Corporate stupidity" is at serious risk of becoming the "God works in msyerious ways" of video game conspiracy theories.

There's a pretty simple reason they didn't change their strategy earlier, one that is a pervasive issue in gaming:

Gamers are spoiled, self-entitled little bitches.

Gamers screamed "boycott" and "buy a PS4!" here, but so what? Remember how well the boycotts of Mass Effect 3 went? What about every Halo from 3 on? Call of Duty: insert subtitle here? Hell, there was a point at which Steam, the gold standard in both DD and DRM, was considered unacceptable. Remind the folks at home how that turned out. Did Steam crash and burn?

Hell, in all the above cases except Steam, you can find a ton of funny pictures of boycotters playing the games online, usually from the Steam groups protesting them. I don't really remember anyone specifically screaming "boycotttttttt!" at Steam, but if so, I bet you can find them, too.

The video games industry has literally no reason to believe we'll actually abstain from a product. And it's literally gamers' faults. We say we're not going to take it, then we gie our overwhelming support in secret, hoping nobody catches on. Even on TPWW, we've had a couple mealy-mouthed little dipshits complaining about the Xbox One and trying to rationalise getting one at the same time.

I do not understand for the life of me why any at least semi-intelligent person with any semblance of pattern recognition would think Microsoft would look at the history of gamer outrage and think anything but

http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130213005641/fallout/images/d/dd/Oh-you-93067263235.jpeg

I'll be honest. I hoped gamers wouldn't buy this, but I expected to see a lot of boycotters with the Day One achievement come November, because gamers do that. And I can sort of understand why people don't get that bothered by breaking a boycott for essentially a toy, but....

...Don't huff and puff about it. We, as gamers, have reinforced this notion that we are mobile money dispensers by acting as mobile money dispensers. There's nothing else to it. They thought it was an empty threat because, on pretty much every other occasion, it has been an empty threat.

http://psd-dreams.de/data/thumbnails/246/If_Cena_Wins_We_Riot_Sign.jpg

Kane Knight

06-20-2013, 10:40 AM

Odd how on the last page I was a fanboy looking for an excuse to hate on Microsoft and now I seem to be the one defending them.

Kalyx triaD

06-20-2013, 10:46 AM

Life is flexible like that.

alvarado52

06-20-2013, 01:25 PM

Only a Sith deals in absolutes.

Emperor Smeat

06-20-2013, 05:20 PM

According to a source(s) close to EGM, Microsoft is currently rumored to be revamping the Gold system to be a lot more comparable to what PS+ offers.

Also rumored to be considering bundling in free subscriptions to Gold with Xbox One consoles besides the usual 1-month free new accounts get on the Xbox 360.
http://www.egmnow.com/articles/news/console-wars-is-microsoft-preparing-to-go-on-the-offensive-with-free-xbox-live/

For those hoping maybe Microsoft considers a non-Kinect version or drops Kinect altogether, Microsoft stated that's not happening since the Xbox One was designed with Kinect as the main focus. Also explained their reasoning behind the sudden policy changes for the Xbox One in an interview with Giantbomb.
http://www.giantbomb.com/articles/microsoft-s-marc-whitten-talks-xbox-one-s-big-poli/1100-4675/

Supposedly the Family Sharing plan or idea was rumored to end up being nothing more than just an extended demo playing of games and not actual game sharing. Would also explain a bit why Phil Spencer hinted same console online co-op wouldn't be possible with this idea.
When your family member accesses any of your games, they’re placed into a special demo mode. This demo mode in most cases would be the full game with a 15-45 minute timer and in some cases an hour...When the time limit was up they would automatically be prompted to the Marketplace so that they may order it if liked the game.

Kalyx triaD

06-20-2013, 07:41 PM

No loss there then.

Kane Knight

06-20-2013, 07:42 PM

Only a Sith deals in absolutes.

That was an absolute, Darth Aspergers!

Kane Knight

06-20-2013, 07:45 PM

Supposedly the Family Sharing plan or idea was rumored to end up being nothing more than just an extended demo playing of games and not actual game sharing. Would also explain a bit why Phil Spencer hinted same console online co-op wouldn't be possible with this idea.

Oh look, Microsoft lied.

...allegedly.

James Steele

06-21-2013, 03:00 AM

Brilliant Idea: force parents to pay for a game 2-3 times over for their kids/themselves on top of paying for the multiple accounts. This shouldn't cause any complaints that could lead to parents choosing the cheaper opposing console.

Kalyx triaD

06-21-2013, 03:56 AM

"Force parents"

Kane Knight

06-21-2013, 08:43 AM

Vader had those.

James Steele

06-21-2013, 01:02 PM

"Force parents"

If they do choose the XBox One, if they bought a game they would be forced to either have everyone on a single account or have the multiple accounts thing and pay for that game 2-3 times over. Ideally, parents would be smart consumers and research this, but that'd be asking far too much considering most parents don't even look at the games they buy for their kids to begin with.

SlickyTrickyDamon

06-21-2013, 01:41 PM

I thought they got rid of the shared game restrictions?

James Steele

06-21-2013, 01:49 PM

It looks like they did, but I still don't understand how anybody at Microsoft can even think this was a good idea. Yes, it could make you a shitload more money but they had to know they'd lose more customers and money than they would make off of this stuff. It took them a huge backlash to realize this?

SlickyTrickyDamon

06-21-2013, 02:05 PM

They stopped reading at "Yes it could make you a shitload more money."

I'm sure most of the pressure to end this actually came from retailers like GameStop, WalMart, Best Buy not really the consumer backlash. Also Microsoft shareholders and whoever else has an investment in the system.

With how bad the WiiU has done I guess they thought they had a chance to take a risk when it was rumored that both PS4 and XBox One were going to have this DRM stuff. Once Ps4 dropped it it was only a matter of time before XBox did. Had they been first we would be talking about Sony in the same negative way. Really bad marketing and not having one voice on what was happening really muddied everything.

Kalyx triaD

06-21-2013, 02:17 PM

If they do choose the XBox One, if they bought a game they would be forced to either have everyone on a single account or have the multiple accounts thing and pay for that game 2-3 times over. Ideally, parents would be smart consumers and research this, but that'd be asking far too much considering most parents don't even look at the games they buy for their kids to begin with.

That's not even how it works on 360 right now.

Once a digital XBLA game is purchased on the console it's open to play for every account on that box. Even online passes and beta events carried over to everybody on the same box. It's common sense to imagine this would work the same for digital releases on Xbox One.

And even if I gave you that one for free, it still doesn't seem like they're forced to do anything.

Kalyx triaD

06-21-2013, 02:22 PM

And more than that, they confirmed that a single Gold Account is required on Xbox One for all profiles, regardless of membership level, to play online.

This may have changed since the recent 180, but it does tell me that the 'master console license' system would return and purchases on the box is good for all users of the box.

Kalyx triaD

06-21-2013, 02:30 PM

inb4 somebody says, "Well Microsoft tried to change things so you don't know if that system would remain."

Yeah, I do know - the one thing that Microsoft didn't even touch was how they handled digital products, in fact the problem was they wanted everything to be like digital purchases. It's extremely safe to say how things work on 360 would remain, especially since they were ready to expand it with Shared Games and Digital Resell (two things I imagine will return once Steam paves the way).

James Steele

06-21-2013, 03:21 PM

Kalyx, you fucking spastic, I was talking replying to this post:

Supposedly the Family Sharing plan or idea was rumored to end up being nothing more than just an extended demo playing of games and not actual game sharing. Would also explain a bit why Phil Spencer hinted same console online co-op wouldn't be possible with this idea.
Quote:
When your family member accesses any of your games, they’re placed into a special demo mode. This demo mode in most cases would be the full game with a 15-45 minute timer and in some cases an hour...When the time limit was up they would automatically be prompted to the Marketplace so that they may order it if liked the game.

Kalyx triaD

06-21-2013, 03:23 PM

>>>The Family Share plan was between Xbox One consoles, not accounts on one console.<<<

Kalyx triaD

06-21-2013, 03:26 PM

You didn't notice how many writers were referencing 'Family' ironically or in confusion?

Kane Knight

06-21-2013, 05:17 PM

It's extremely safe to say how things work on 360 would remain, especially since they were ready to expand it with Shared Games and Digital Resell (two things I imagine will return begrudgingly, several years after the fact and in a gimped form once Steam paves the way).

Fixed that for you.

Kalyx triaD

06-21-2013, 05:19 PM

Thanks.

Kane Knight

06-21-2013, 05:20 PM

>>>The Family Share plan was between Xbox One consoles, not accounts on one console.<<<

Indeed. You know how you play a game on the primary console?

...You play it.

The result was nto going to be "forcing families to pay multiple times."

Unless across multiple households/units. At which point, that's exactly what we're already doing.

Kane Knight

06-21-2013, 05:21 PM

Thanks.

Just saying. It'd be nice if Microsoft managed to come up with a tenth of the functionality of Steam, since it's been around for a decade now.

Kalyx triaD

06-21-2013, 05:57 PM

Just saying. It'd be nice if Microsoft managed to come up with a tenth of the functionality of Steam, since it's been around for a decade now.

They won't. They wanna be different and better, missing the point that to be better than something you have to share it's base to begin with.

Wii had Wiimote. PS3 got Move. XBOX HAS YOU AS CAMERA AWESOME BETTER BUY IT.

Tom Guycott

06-21-2013, 06:36 PM

alvarado52

06-21-2013, 06:38 PM

So tired of this Steam shit. Different platform, different rules of engagement. Buy a fucking Steambox whenever they come out and stop wishing for other companies to emulate.

Tom Guycott

06-21-2013, 06:42 PM

Wow, such venom. Sounds like Steam fucked you out of a couple of downloads or something. Comment wasn't even really about Steam.

"Thing is, you being a muthafucka wasn't even part of the conversation! What was we talking about..? Oh yeah, soybeans!"

James Steele

06-21-2013, 06:48 PM

So tired of this Steam shit. Different platform, different rules of engagement. Buy a fucking Steambox whenever they come out and stop wishing for other companies to emulate.

Steam is following the model where all of technology is going. Things are becoming more open and accessible than ever. Everything is going digital. You can't just tell your customers to deal with it or fuck off anymore because most of them will tell you to fuck off. Steam has grown and has got a lot of support behind it. It's been successful for a reason.

James Steele

06-21-2013, 06:50 PM

What is the difference between Steam and XBox Marketplace other than: a console or a PC being the primary device? Transfer of licenses? Ease of use? Cost of use? Certain titles?

Kalyx triaD

06-21-2013, 07:01 PM

Can I have a 4plyr offline NFL Blitz/NBA Jam/UNO Rush session on Steam? Seriously asking. I have an account but never did anything with it but get Champions. And then never played that.

James Steele

06-21-2013, 09:00 PM

Not yet.

Kalyx triaD

06-21-2013, 09:06 PM

These are old games.

Kane Knight

06-21-2013, 09:10 PM

Continuing my GameStop conspiracy theory, I just got my GI with all the fanfare for PS4 (late... I have an issue with getting mail sent to not my house) and in addition to schlurping Sony's lineup, there's an article about the decline of indies wanting to take the XBLA route in favor of Steam, Sony, and Nintendo because greedy asshattery. Just kinda seems like that isn't coincidental.

[Insert image of Frank Underwood here, I can't do so on my phone]
"Of course, you may very well *think* that, I couldn't *possibly* comment."

Stories about the indies being against Microsoft are nothing new, however. Nor are they going away. We just had a developer say that if he could go back in time, he'd kick himself in the balls for partnering with Microsoft. At the same time, you have Phil Fish, John Blow, the Cthulhu Saves the World team, etc all singing the same tune.

So tired of this Steam shit. Different platform, different rules of engagement. Buy a fucking Steambox whenever they come out and stop wishing for other companies to emulate.

It seems a little hypocritical to display human emotion now, Darth Aspbergers.

James Steele

06-21-2013, 09:23 PM

These are old games.

Steam has NBA 2K13 though. It is just a matter of their being a desire by their customers for those games. It still doesn't change the fact that other companies can borrow some things from Steam. Steam isn't in the console market, but has a lot of ideas that consoles could use.

alvarado52

06-21-2013, 09:29 PM

DOES STEAM HAVE CRYSIS!?

alvarado52

06-21-2013, 09:31 PM

joking aside, I do agree with you Mr. Steele, i'm just tired of seeing Kane Knight post.

Kane Knight

06-21-2013, 09:32 PM

On the flip side, Steam (and PC gamign in general) could learn a few things from console gaming if it actually wants to compete. Things like Darth Aspie's mention of Steambox, for example. The idea of The Big Picture and having a line of "steambox" PCs is to essentially consolise the market. Few games are designed with "couch" co-op in mind, though. Some are, I mean, but far fewer than even consoles (where the idea is slowly dwindling anyway).

Which is especially a shame, given the fact that more and more games support a 360 control pad natively.

Whether people like it or not, by the way, Steam is competition for consoles. Even without the "Steambox," it's a gaming platform. Competition (and comparisons, rivalries, whatever) are inevitable.

alvarado52

06-21-2013, 09:32 PM

FUCK SEE WHAT I MEAN!?

Kane Knight

06-21-2013, 09:32 PM

joking aside, I do agree with you Mr. Steele, i'm just tired of seeing Kane Knight post.

Go away, and it won't be an issue. :y:

alvarado52

06-21-2013, 09:49 PM

I was expecting something wittier.

Kane Knight

06-21-2013, 09:51 PM

I was expecting less whining.

James Steele

06-21-2013, 10:29 PM

Whether people like it or not, by the way, Steam is competition for consoles. Even without the "Steambox," it's a gaming platform. Competition (and comparisons, rivalries, whatever) are inevitable.

Fuck...I hate agreeing with Kane Knight.

Kalyx triaD

06-21-2013, 10:41 PM

Well frankly there's some things Steam could use. Like the games and play conditions I mentioned.

I have no allegiance beyond what can allow me to play games I love in the way I love. I won't adjust my preferences to make a certain platform viable.

SlickyTrickyDamon

06-21-2013, 11:25 PM

I like Kinect for things like Nike Fitness. :) It gave me a technical foul in NBA2k13 for swearing. :mad: Hope they can have a turn off feature for games that aren't designed to be like Xbox 360 "Kinect only" games are now.

Tom Guycott

06-22-2013, 12:04 AM

It gave me a technical foul in NBA2k13 for swearing. :mad: Hope they can have a turn off feature for games that aren't designed to be like Xbox 360 "Kinect only" games are now.

I'm pretty glad I don't play too many sports games, then. I'd have the starting 5 and 6th man ejected from the game simply from my potty mouth.

Kane Knight

06-22-2013, 12:28 AM

Kalyx triaD

06-22-2013, 12:48 AM

Yeah for some reason I liked that a ref would flag you for swearing. Dunno why.

Tom Guycott

06-22-2013, 01:14 AM

Kalyx triaD

06-22-2013, 01:15 AM

I think the deal is the simulation of the sport rather than some potty mouth censorship.

Kalyx triaD

06-22-2013, 01:15 AM

And guitar controllers are not novelty, they are life.

Tom Guycott

06-22-2013, 01:25 AM

Whatever with that. It's great to pick one up and rock Albatross on GH:Metallica, or the occasional easter egg (like the achievement from Dishwasher), but I don't need it perpetually attached to my console to play something like Need for Speed.

That's kinda how I feel about the Kinnect. Unless I plan on playing a game that needs it, I unplug the damned thing. Even without the spying fear, I got sick of the accidental commands when the thing even THINKS someone says "XBOX: DO X ACTION!"

Kane Knight

06-22-2013, 01:44 AM

That's just it... a cool "novelty". Nice occasionally. Like a Guitar Hero controller. Me swearing in the heat of battle is cathartic release at an uncaring machine. I don't need that machine to go tut-tut at me, in the words of Bankey, "... for calling the Whalers a bunch of faggots in the privacy of my office, far away from the sensitive ears of the world."

You had me up to the Guitar Hero bit. Now we must battle to the death.

But seriously, that was more or less what I was saying. I bet I'd be tired of it in thirty seconds. And I don't even really speak much when gaming unless on a mic or someone else is in the room.

It'd be HILARIOUS to see this implemented in Call of Duty, though.

Or your average MOBA. Both are games where you communicate by screaming obscenities like a 12 year old with tourettes.

Tom Guycott

06-22-2013, 01:56 AM

It'd be HILARIOUS to see this implemented in Call of Duty, though.

I now have to backtrack my remark a bit. I would LOVE to see this... or rather, not only have it banhammer the little 8 year olds who repeatedly use the word "nigger" every CoD match and likely don't even know what it means yet, and then have the Xbone record their tantrum to a game-sponsored griefer Youtube channel.

Of course, this won't be the implementation at all.

Kane Knight

06-22-2013, 09:44 AM

That would be awesome. But yeah. NEVER happen.

Fignuts

06-22-2013, 09:35 PM

Oh god, I'm like Lewis Black when I play video games. Horrible feature.

Kane Knight

06-23-2013, 08:05 AM

You're Jewish when you play video games?

Emperor Smeat

06-24-2013, 05:03 PM

For those interested, Team Dakota has announced sign ups to be in the beta for Project Spark has started.
http://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2013/06/24/apply-to-be-part-of-the-project-spark-beta.aspx

Capcom states Dead Rising 3 will have exclusive SmartGlass missions although they are mainly side missions and have no effect on the actual story for the game.
During the main campaign ”you’ll get calls from a character that are only on the SmartGlass device. So if you don’t have SmartGlass, you won’t get those calls from that guy. Which also means you won’t get those missions,” Bridge explained.

However, these missions are not connected to the main story, so you can still enjoy the game if you choose not to use the app. ”His storyline is his own. And it interweaves with the main storyline. Without it, you’re not losing out on what the story is. But you’re getting more out of the game,” said Bridge.
http://www.egmnow.com/articles/news/dead-rising-3-has-xbox-smartglass-exclusive-missions/

Assuming Amazon is correct, the Xbox One is currently speculated to be launching on November 27. In terms of Xbox history, it would continue the trend of each new Xbox releasing about a week later than the previous (Nov. 15 for Xbox, Nov 22 for Xbox 360).
http://www.egmnow.com/articles/news/amazon-lists-november-27-xbox-one-launch-date/