Way to go Triple fucking H!

[Bad News Gertner]

Kassius Ohno has reportedly been pulled from shows and is going to have his push stopped due to not cutting weight and refusing to work on his physique.

Told ya!

He looks like a fucking slob.

[Shadrick]

That's Bo-dacious.

[#1-norm-fan]

Why would you wanna take the last steps to succeed at the business you've dedicate your life to when you can just eat lots of Burger King and never have to see the inside of a gym?

[#1-norm-fan]

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[MoFo]

:lol:

Why does he have a Mike Tyson gimmick when he looks like he couldnt breag an ekk.

[Fignuts]

Good.

[VSG]

ekk

[Ultra Mantis]

Now we know who to blame for this whole Bo Dallas thing. Way to go Ohno.

[whiteyford]

Bo Dallas will main event a Wrestlemania.

[mushroom]

If he's a character in the next WWE game maybe.

[Shisen Kopf]

He's the jap player on the Blue Jays right?

[Curd]

They couldn't have repackaged him as "Doughboy" Ohno? They missed the boat on licensing a feud with the Pillsbury Doughboy.

[Bad News Gertner]

Bo Dallas will main event a Wrestlemania.

Then my avatar will rule all

[Rollermacka]

Kassius Ohno has reportedly been pulled from shows and is going to have his push stopped due to not cutting weight and refusing to work on his physique.

Told ya!

He looks like a fucking slob.

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You know, they could bring this back and use it for Ohno....

[Bad News Gertner]

Ha!!!!

[Hanso Amore]

Dude could have been an all
Time great wwe worker if he just worked out . Bum.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

I find that quite pathetic. Dude, no one's asking you to look like John Cena. Just tone the fuck up and do some god damned deads, squats, bench, pullups and hit a fucking treadmill.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Gertner and myself had the same complaints about him from the beginning.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Don't have a problem with Ohno's weight or size, but if your boss asks you to do something and you don't do it, you can't really blame anyone but yourself for that. They should sign Chris Masters to be Ohno's tag team partner and work out partner.

[Innovator]

I'm amazed that the guy was married on the road to Cesaro for 4-5 years and didn't pick up on working out with him.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I don't think it was his intent to ever be one of those guys aesthetically.

[#1-norm-fan]

I'm amazed that the guy was married on the road to Cesaro for 4-5 years and didn't pick up on working out with him.

I'm amazed the guy constantly wrestled so many long matches on the indy scene for years and that didn't at least burn off enough calories to lose the love handles.

[ron the dial]

that's a damn shame. so much potential gone to waste over what should have been handled in the first place.

[Bad News Gertner]

I don't think it was his intent to ever be one of those guys aesthetically.

He should use Chris Jericho as an example. Jericho isn't "ripped", but he doesn't look like a homeless slob who escaped security and wandered into the ring.

[Fignuts]

I recall me and gertner saying he needed to work on his physique a while back and most people disagreed and said all that mattered was his work rate.

[Bad News Gertner]

But that's impossible, because I'm a troll

[James Steele]

When did he go from looking like this:

http://blogofhonor.files.wordpress.com/2010/09/hero2.jpg

to this?:

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-EwRn58vzeLE/UYQG9eNzU4I/AAAAAAAAD2k/0NcuGpQa8_s/s1600/948ef7c97e01b6ffcf3e7d50373179bb_500.jpg

It looks like he just doesn't give a fuck anymore. Go back to ROH with that shit.

[Bad News Gertner]

He looks like a slightly less crackhead version of Balls Mahoney

[James Steele]

Good call, Gerty. Instead of crack, he is abusing NyQuil and Ding Dongs.

[Curd]

Kassius "Lasagna Hero" Ohno, now filling in DTTS' Garfield-less Garfield strips. :)

[James Steele]

Googling Chris Hero also brought up some awesome pictures of Cesaro in the indies:

http://www.wrestling-park.ch/wp-content/gallery/castagnoli/editorial-head-to-head-to-head-with-wwe-tna-and-roh-20091222015820954.jpg

http://www.onlineworldofwrestling.com/pictures/c/claudiocastagnoli/17.jpg

[James Steele]

http://25.media.tumblr.com/99c97f808ef007e1b19df3a6482151b9/tumblr_mogyobVnIR1rg89a6o1_500.jpg

One of these guys is on their way to the top and the other is on their way out.

[ron the dial]

Googling Chris Hero also brought up some awesome pictures of Cesaro in the indies:

http://www.wrestling-park.ch/wp-content/gallery/castagnoli/editorial-head-to-head-to-head-with-wwe-tna-and-roh-20091222015820954.jpg

http://www.onlineworldofwrestling.com/pictures/c/claudiocastagnoli/17.jpg
the most money making man :heart:

[Fignuts]

Saw him live when he had that gimmick and it was amazing.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Love Cesaro with hair.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I recall me and gertner saying he needed to work on his physique a while back and most people disagreed and said all that mattered was his work rate.

I don't think it should matter. I'd be happy to have him on the main roster because he can work good matches and cut good promos.

[Bad News Gertner]

I've yet to see a Kassisus Ohno promo that is remotely good.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Noid, if they are to bring legitimacy to their product, and want their employees to represent athletes, they should look like athletes.

[Bad News Gertner]

Lol I've read people on other sites back Ohno and call the WWE hypocrites because Brodus Clay is fat.

Clay actually has lost a bunch of weight since NXT and his damn gimmick is that he's a fat dancing guy. Not even remotely close to the same thing.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>I took a picture of Kassius Ohno at a show but he's so fat that it's been printing since Christmas.</font>

[Swiss Ultimate]

http://cdn2-b.examiner.com/sites/default/files/styles/image_content_width/hash/06/db/06db568be27a932f36ed12fa90424c3b.jpg?itok=Dz0q5TGm

Shhhh...his belly button is saying something.

[Swiss Ultimate]

He should use Chris Jericho as an example. Jericho isn't "ripped", but he doesn't look like a homeless slob who escaped security and wandered into the ring.

http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQhvxp4laZDM0WrA09d5IRv5mqlUItAu2t3PRMK7PAhSlRQKH2b8o_aAhM6-Q

[Bad News Gertner]

Lol that ain't Jericho now

[Swiss Ultimate]

Same nipples.

[Swiss Ultimate]

Remember when Chris Jericho was doing the triple powerbomb or whatever when he first got to the WWE?

[Shisen Kopf]

WWE should have an overweight championship. They should also bring back Mickie James.

[Vastardikai]

On one hand, he needs to definitely at least look like he cares about how he looks. Looking like an out of shape bum might get him by in the Indys, but you have to at least pretend to give a shit when you're in the big leagues.

On the other hand, "getting into shape" in WWE language often means Steroids, and I can also get why he wouldn't want to do that.

[Kane Knight]

WWE should have an overweight championship. They should also bring back Mickie James.

Affirmative Action?

[Hanso Amore]

Hero can just use Punk as an example.

Punk bulked up years ago, then now he is more lean and athletic. But he looks like an athlete.

Hero looks Clox in the ring.

[Hanso Amore]

Indifferent Cloxius Ohno

[dingdongyo]

he doesnt look fat, he looks loose. his gut looks kinda like mine. was he ever super fat? when you used to weigh a ton and then lose it, you have way too much skin left over. and it just stays all flappity.

[Swiss Ultimate]

he doesnt look fat, he looks loose. his gut looks kinda like mine. was he ever super fat? when you used to weigh a ton and then lose it, you have way too much skin left over. and it just stays all flappity.

He looks fat. Not Bray Wyatt fat either. Just looks out of shape.

[ron the dial]

he used to be a pretty big boy "back in the day"

[Swiss Ultimate]

He don't look so bad here:
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[Corporate CockSnogger]

he doesnt look fat, he looks loose. his gut looks kinda like mine. was he ever super fat? when you used to weigh a ton and then lose it, you have way too much skin left over. and it just stays all flappity.

If he were just walking down the street, with a shirt on, I dour anyone would stop and consider to him to be fat, so yeah good job on not being fat. But he's definitely not in shape, especially in a profession where you're paid to look like an athlete and usually doing so topless.

[Vastardikai]

He should switch to a singlet at the very least.

[Corporate CockSnogger]

If he just trimmed down he'd be fine, he doesn't need to be ripped to shreds. Like Gertner said, look at Jericho most of the time. He usually comes back from his absent stretches pretty ripped, but usually he's just well built.

Better yet, look at Edge. He was never really ripped or hugely muscular, but he never looked like a slob either.

[slik]

WWE should have an overweight championship. They should also bring back Mickie James.

I feel strongly that Kharma should come back as Tugboat's daughter, and wrestle in his gear.

[Hanso Amore]

he doesnt look fat, he looks loose. his gut looks kinda like mine. was he ever super fat? when you used to weigh a ton and then lose it, you have way too much skin left over. and it just stays all flappity.

The term you are looking for is Skinny Fat

[Rammsteinmad]

It sucks that a guy with so much talent, in the ring and on the mic, gets a bad rep for not looking like he's in shape... even if he has proven he can go in the ring...

http://www.wwe.com/f/styles/photo_large/public/photo/image/2008/05/7102298.jpg

[Hanso Amore]

To be fair, JBL was several years past his prime at that point. He was champion for 9 months and was a legit main eventer, he could get away with it.

Hero is a fucking WWE nobody.

[DaveBrawl]

Plus his whole deal was he was a 6'6" beer swilling Texan for so long leading up to that and that's what they're expected to look like.

[Innovator]

It sucks that a guy with so much talent, in the ring and on the mic, gets a bad rep for not looking like he's in shape... even if he has proven he can go in the ring...

http://www.wwe.com/f/styles/photo_large/public/photo/image/2008/05/7102298.jpgLay off jiggletits

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

the steroids excuse is past it. Most of these guys coming in don't have a Benoit/Guerrero/HHH circa 2002 body. You're seeing natural bodies come in, which is why guys like Daniel Bryan, Seth Rollins and so forth are coming in. From the workouts I've been seeing WWE guys do, it's mostly about athletic training and athletic bodies. They do olympic lifts and deadlifts and the like.

Even look at Big E Langston.... he is fucking absolutely massive but you can tell he is naturally just that huge, he doesn't look like Batista, he is just a thick, terrifying man.

Chris Hero or Kassius Ohno does not look like a fatass, he simply looks like he doesn't give a fuck and is out of shape. All they want from his is to just trim down a bit, and if he can't do that as an athlete then he doesn't deserve a push.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

As far as Jericho goes, he looks better now than he did 5 years ago.

[#1-norm-fan]

Plus his whole deal was he was a 6'6" beer swilling Texan for so long leading up to that and that's what they're expected to look like.

Plus JBL is a shit ton more entertaining than Ohno.

[Bad News Gertner]

JBL kills bitches dead

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>JBL was probably in his 40s when that picture was taken, nearly a decade older than Ohno.</font>

[Juan]

I don't think it should matter. I'd be happy to have him on the main roster because he can work good matches and cut good promos.

Same here. I don't understand the mind set where every wrestler that's not a "big man" needs to look like an athlete.

[Fignuts]

Because WWE is the pinnacle, and unless his gimmick is that he's an out of shape piece of shit, it makes the company look bad.

[Juan]

I agree that if he was told to get in shape, then he definitely should, but I couldn't care less about his physique either way. It's not one of the things I watch wrestling for.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Noid, if they are to bring legitimacy to their product, and want their employees to represent athletes, they should look like athletes.

Kassius Ohno is a fantastic athlete. Who cares what he looks like?

[Mr. Nerfect]

I agree that if he was told to get in shape, then he definitely should, but I couldn't care less about his physique either way. It's not one of the things I watch wrestling for.

This is my thought on the subject. Unfortunately for Ohno, the WWE does care about aesthetic, regardless of whether or not you can go in the ring. If he was told "Look, we like everything you do but we don't feel like putting someone who looks like you on TV," then yeah, it's shallow, but it's the company's right, I guess. Ohno can't blame anyone for that but himself.

Keep in mind that Ohno is not a young man, either. He's like 34 in a few months. As he gets older his body is going to get harder to maintain. Now that he's not on television and can focus on appearing to be fitter and not being able to use "But look at my ring work!" as an excuse, he might actually get a handle on it and be given props by management for turning himself around.

It's not just Ohno who has been pulled for weight issues. Weren't the WWE concerned about Brodus Clay, Big Show and Bray Wyatt at different points? It's not a nail in your coffin. It's all down to Ohno's attitude and what he does from here.

[Graveler]

http://cdn2-b.examiner.com/sites/default/files/styles/image_content_width/hash/06/db/06db568be27a932f36ed12fa90424c3b.jpg?itok=Dz0q5TGm

Shhhh...his belly button is saying something.

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[Ultra Mantis]

It's not just Ohno who has been pulled for weight issues. Weren't the WWE concerned about Brodus Clay, Big Show and Bray Wyatt at different points? It's not a nail in your coffin. It's all down to Ohno's attitude and what he does from here.

I'm sure they tried to sign Ohno at the same time as Cesaro but he failed his medical for whatever reasons and delayed him being signed for several months. Might even be that this isn't just an aesthetics thing and there's an underlying health problem.

[Hanso Amore]

Kassius Ohno is a fantastic athlete. Who cares what he looks like?

He should. He is a pro wrestler who's only job is to stay in shape and wrestle a few matches a week in developmental. If he cant show dedication to the craft he can fuck off.

He looks like shit. This shit matters in entertainment. Why do you think Megan Fox has a job?

We live in a world where looks matter, and basement dwellars like yourself can try to convince yourself otherwise, but there is a reason Hero will never make it, and Natalya is a fart gimmick that follows a giant around instead of headlining the divas division.

[Hanso Amore]

As he gets older his body is going to get harder to maintain. Now that he's not on television and can focus on appearing to be fitter and not being able to use "But look at my ring work!" as an excuse, he might actually get a handle on it and be given props by management for turning himself around.

Maintain? hes never looked good.

[Swiss Ultimate]

Bitterness.

[Hanso Amore]

Facts.

Cesaro looks better than ever.

[Hanso Amore]

Same with Bryan.

Hero? Looks like he works at a Jiffy Lube.

[Volare]

Facts.

Cesaro is going to go places.

[Hanso Amore]

And those guys are on the road.

Hero is sitting in Florida pissing away a chance that millions of people never will get. Its a shame.

[Curtis]

Chris Hero? Moar like Sub Zero cause every sub he meets turns to zero!

Hes so fat, Mickie James wishes she was that skinny!

Seriously, Chris Hero needs to be sent to OVW and face Doug Basham every day for the rest of his life.
Chris Hero Vs Doug Basham. Every day. For eternity.

[Curtis]

Chris Hero is so fat that he was sent down to OVW instead of FCW but he lost his way because he was too fat to see where he was going and ended up in OCW.

[Curtis]

Overweight Championship Wrestling.

[Razzamajazz]

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

[whiteyford]

Why do you think Megan Fox has a job?

Because of her incredible acting talents?

[Tom Guycott]

Perhaps the "funniest" thing about this is that WWE likely would have pushed him under some gimmick where he's always wearing a shirt, like The Shield, and all this hubub about his muffin top would be completely irrelevant.

[Lock Jaw]

Keep reading this thread as "Way to go f***ing Triple H!" and think it is some sort of congrats to Stephanie McMahon from James Steele.

[Ultra Mantis]

Perhaps the "funniest" thing about this is that WWE likely would have pushed him under some gimmick where he's always wearing a shirt, like The Shield, and all this hubub about his muffin top would be completely irrelevant.

Yeah until he has a heart attack mid way through his big blow off Wrestlemania Iron Man match with John Cena and Cena has to improvise the last 30 minutes against his bloated corpse while the audience mocks his workrate. Don't be that guy Ohno.

[loopydate]

Chris Hero is so fat that he was sent down to OVW instead of FCW but he lost his way because he was too fat to see where he was going and ended up in OCW.

OCW? That's serious Bobby WOOOOOO Venom Tatanka ERAG gorm!

[Mr. Nerfect]

He should. He is a pro wrestler who's only job is to stay in shape and wrestle a few matches a week in developmental. If he cant show dedication to the craft he can fuck off.

He looks like shit. This shit matters in entertainment. Why do you think Megan Fox has a job?

We live in a world where looks matter, and basement dwellars like yourself can try to convince yourself otherwise, but there is a reason Hero will never make it, and Natalya is a fart gimmick that follows a giant around instead of headlining the divas division.

Have you seen the guy wrestle? He doesn't get blown up easy. The dude is in tremendous shape.

I agree with you on the point of looks apparently mattering in the WWE. To me, they don't matter as much. I'd rather someone be good and look kind of shit than look the part and be really shit. Ideally, someone would be the total package, but if I had to choose one or the other, I'd go with substance over style.

[Fignuts]

Well to their main demographic, looks do count.

[Hanso Amore]

Have you seen the guy wrestle? He doesn't get blown up easy. The dude is in tremendous shape.

I agree with you on the point of looks apparently mattering in the WWE. To me, they don't matter as much. I'd rather someone be good and look kind of shit than look the part and be really shit. Ideally, someone would be the total package, but if I had to choose one or the other, I'd go with substance over style.

Ideally I would have 10 inch cock and cum that tasted like Juicy Fruit.

We dont live in that world. In this world Hero has + 100 workrate and -50 body and his lack of dedication to getting into shape, which every other WWE talent does, will cost him his career.

[Tom Guycott]

Yeah until he has a heart attack mid way through his big blow off Wrestlemania Iron Man match with John Cena and Cena has to improvise the last 30 minutes against his bloated corpse while the audience mocks his workrate. Don't be that guy Ohno.

Comments like this make the guy sound like he's as big as Kevin Steen and lacks any kind of cardio because he has an extra few pounds around the midsection. I see you are being sarcastic, but some people will read that as gospel.

Ideally I would have 10 inch cock and cum that tasted like Juicy Fruit.

We dont live in that world. In this world Hero has + 100 workrate and -50 body and his lack of dedication to getting into shape, which every other WWE talent does, will cost him his career.

"Diamond Dallas Paige could live a thousand lifetimes with his genetics, and still never look like me!" -Big Poppa Pump (quote chosen for effect)

I "get" the point of view, but not everybody builds the same. There are people who seem like they barely break a sweat and they look as good as Drew Mac did when he first got called up, and there are some people who, no matter how much they diet and excercise, can barely define their abs and when they even skip a couple days, it all goes to hell. There have been points where people like Punk, Bryan, Jericho, even Regal have all kinda looked a little loose around the tummy. None of those guys have ever been chastised for "lack of motivation". He might be one of those guys who needs to almost literally LIVE in a gym to attain any semblance of shape, and even though they're in WWE, not only can everybody NOT do that, but it's kind of like that whole thing where Test resisted cutting his hair because he "has a life outside of wrestling". To us, it sounds like such a low price for more fame and fortune, but we don't truly know the sitch. Him "dogging" his workouts might mean he's in the gym for 5 hours a day instead of 6.

Besides, when you have a bodybuilding nut telling you you're not motiviated because you're not sculpted like a bronze statue is kind of like having Usain Bolt tell you you're not dedicated to running because you can't keep up with him in a competitive race.

[James Steele]

Triple H isn't telling him to look like Scott Steiner. He is telling him to not look like a fucking pudgy bum.

[Curd]

And those guys are on the road.

Hero is sitting in Florida pissing away a chance that millions of people never will get. Its a shame.

Maybe Chris can move to Sanford and become Public Vigilante #2 and be George Zimmerman's sidekick. You know, use pro wrestling moves instead of bullets.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Triple H isn't telling him to look like Scott Steiner. He is telling him to not look like a fucking pudgy bum.

One of the few times I'll agree with you.

Look, nobody here expects Ohno to look like a bronzed god. Look at the brand of athlete coming into WWE today, it's not the body builders of old. This is not a black and white conversation.

Look at Daniel Bryan, look at Chris Jericho, these guys have athletic, but relate-able bodies. They keep fit. Ohno looks like he probably does a lot of running (as he is by no means fat, just very soft and doughy) but no strength and conditioning. They aren't saying "Kassius put on 30 pounds of muscle" they're saying "Kassius like 10% body fat" aka, shore up your diet, and get some high volume training in. If you're an athlete, and your job demands you take care of yourself in that right, have personal trainers and people over seeing your fitness, being a little disciplined should not be so hard.

I think HHH's main beef, and the WWE brass's main beef is not with the fact he looks doughy but the fact that they asked him to make some changes and he's showing no intent to put the extra work in. For him in particular maybe they thought it would help his gimmick and his push to look more lean and athletic. The same as if they told Brodus Clay he was going to be a dancer, and he didn't do anything to learn how to dance and showed a bad attitude about it.

The same as some of our favourites who get caught smoking dope on the wellness policy. This is their job, and they're told not to blaze out. It's a bullshit rule but this is their livelihood. Smoking dope, much like Ohno having a doughy body doesn't impact ring work, BUT it's what is standing in the way of him and his big chance. And the same with not smoking the dope, it's not some HUGE ask. It's get into the weightroom by hook or crook, and knock out some fucking reps with the rest of the roster.

[Curd]

Comments like this make the guy sound like he's as big as Kevin Steen and lacks any kind of cardio because he has an extra few pounds around the midsection. I see you are being sarcastic, but some people will read that as gospel.



"Diamond Dallas Paige could live a thousand lifetimes with his genetics, and still never look like me!" -Big Poppa Pump (quote chosen for effect)

I "get" the point of view, but not everybody builds the same. There are people who seem like they barely break a sweat and they look as good as Drew Mac did when he first got called up, and there are some people who, no matter how much they diet and excercise, can barely define their abs and when they even skip a couple days, it all goes to hell. There have been points where people like Punk, Bryan, Jericho, even Regal have all kinda looked a little loose around the tummy. None of those guys have ever been chastised for "lack of motivation". He might be one of those guys who needs to almost literally LIVE in a gym to attain any semblance of shape, and even though they're in WWE, not only can everybody NOT do that, but it's kind of like that whole thing where Test resisted cutting his hair because he "has a life outside of wrestling". To us, it sounds like such a low price for more fame and fortune, but we don't truly know the stitch. Him "dogging" his workouts might mean he's in the gym for 5 hours a day instead of 6.

Besides, when you have a bodybuilding nut telling you you're not motivated because you're not sculpted like a bronze statue is kind of like having Usain Bolt tell you you're not dedicated to running because you can't keep up with him in a competitive race.

Yeah, it's like Jon standing next to Garfield. Just ask DTTS. :)

[Curd]

One of the few times I'll agree with you.

Look, nobody here expects Ohno to look like a bronzed god. Look at the brand of athlete coming into WWE today, it's not the body builders of old. This is not a black and white conversation.

Look at Daniel Bryan, look at Chris Jericho, these guys have athletic, but relate-able bodies. They keep fit. Ohno looks like he probably does a lot of running (as he is by no means fat, just very soft and doughy) but no strength and conditioning. They aren't saying "Kassius put on 30 pounds of muscle" they're saying "Kassius like 10% body fat" aka, shore up your diet, and get some high volume training in. If you're an athlete, and your job demands you take care of yourself in that right, have personal trainers and people over seeing your fitness, being a little disciplined should not be so hard.

I think HHH's main beef, and the WWE brass's main beef is not with the fact he looks doughy but the fact that they asked him to make some changes and he's showing no intent to put the extra work in. For him in particular maybe they thought it would help his gimmick and his push to look more lean and athletic. The same as if they told Brodus Clay he was going to be a dancer, and he didn't do anything to learn how to dance and showed a bad attitude about it.

The same as some of our favourites who get caught smoking dope on the wellness policy. This is their job, and they're told not to blaze out. It's a bullshit rule but this is their livelihood. Smoking dope, much like Ohno having a doughy body doesn't impact ring work, BUT it's what is standing in the way of him and his big chance. And the same with not smoking the dope, it's not some HUGE ask. It's get into the weightroom by hook or crook, and knock out some fucking reps with the rest of the roster.

Much agreed. It'd be like if Jillian Hall refused to wear her fake birthmark or sing terribly.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Also saying that being in better shape won't help his ring work is retarded. If he trains the right way and works on his explosiveness and core strength, there's no reason it won't make him an even better worker.

*tumbleweed* I'm honestly trying to use reason and sense here, feel like what I'm saying is being constantly overlooked. WHAT ABOUT ME! WHAT ABOUT GORGEOUS DALE NEWSTEAD :'(

-edit- and being as he's billed as some MMA knockout artist, I'd imagine they'd want him to have that MMA lean bodied look so it's easier to market him as such.

[Bad News Gertner]

Welcome to my world GDN. You can't say anything bad about their workrate Gods.

[mike adamle]

http://www.angelfire.com/az2/superplex/images/Chrishero.jpg

Considering he used to look like this

http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z51/ABear729/907960671_l.jpg

And considering this is his diet I think he's doing just fine.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I completely support a Kassius Ohno baby-eating gimmick.

[Mr. Nerfect]

One of the few times I'll agree with you.

Look, nobody here expects Ohno to look like a bronzed god. Look at the brand of athlete coming into WWE today, it's not the body builders of old. This is not a black and white conversation.

Look at Daniel Bryan, look at Chris Jericho, these guys have athletic, but relate-able bodies. They keep fit. Ohno looks like he probably does a lot of running (as he is by no means fat, just very soft and doughy) but no strength and conditioning. They aren't saying "Kassius put on 30 pounds of muscle" they're saying "Kassius like 10% body fat" aka, shore up your diet, and get some high volume training in. If you're an athlete, and your job demands you take care of yourself in that right, have personal trainers and people over seeing your fitness, being a little disciplined should not be so hard.

I think HHH's main beef, and the WWE brass's main beef is not with the fact he looks doughy but the fact that they asked him to make some changes and he's showing no intent to put the extra work in. For him in particular maybe they thought it would help his gimmick and his push to look more lean and athletic. The same as if they told Brodus Clay he was going to be a dancer, and he didn't do anything to learn how to dance and showed a bad attitude about it.

The same as some of our favourites who get caught smoking dope on the wellness policy. This is their job, and they're told not to blaze out. It's a bullshit rule but this is their livelihood. Smoking dope, much like Ohno having a doughy body doesn't impact ring work, BUT it's what is standing in the way of him and his big chance. And the same with not smoking the dope, it's not some HUGE ask. It's get into the weightroom by hook or crook, and knock out some fucking reps with the rest of the roster.

I agree with you. As I said -- if he was asked to do it, he should do it -- it's just not something that bothers me. I thought he was fine, because he was telling good stories and doing good work. If it works out well for him and he comes back shredded and Gertner loves him, more power to the situation.

[Kane Knight]

It sucks that a guy with so much talent, in the ring and on the mic, gets a bad rep for not looking like he's in shape... even if he has proven he can go in the ring...

http://www.wwe.com/f/styles/photo_large/public/photo/image/2008/05/7102298.jpg

What do you mean? JBL was ripped. Easily one of the top ten builds in pro wrestling. And so what if his title reign was an unmitigated failure? That just proves how good a heel he was.

[James Steele]

His title reign was a complete failure. It produced John Cena as a main eventer.

[Bad News Gertner]

JBL is the best heel of the past 13 years.

[Lock Jaw]

JBL and his title reign were incredible. I miss JBL being around as a heel wrassler so much. I don't know if I'd give him best heel of the past 13 years, but he is probably damn close to it if he is not it.

[Bad News Gertner]

Honestly, once you get past the Attitude Era, who was a better heel?

[James Steele]

Triple H from 2002-2006

[Bad News Gertner]

Yeah no

[Lock Jaw]

Triple H had better matches, but as far as actually playing a dude that you are supposed to hate.... dunno... I think I'd give the nod to JBL.

[James Steele]

Are you forgetting the heat Triple H had?

[Mr. Nerfect]

Triple H as a heel made me want to turn the TV off. To be fair, I didn't really get into JBL as a heel, either. I found his promo work to be generally enjoyable and I think his WWE Title reign should have lasted until Judgment Day 2005, but he was kind of boring when it came to working matches and such.

JBL has entered Wrestling God status for me as a commentator however.

[Bad News Gertner]

Fucking the bosses daughter and not putting anybody over doesn't make you the best heel.

People HATED Bradshaw.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Triple H was a great heel during 2000-2001, but his heel run as the guy who monopolized the RAW brand was pretty boring. It did lead to great moments when he put over Chris Benoit and Batista.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I still think that John Cena should have been the US Champion heading into WrestleMania 21, and that his match against JBL should have been for both titles. The Cabinet should have attacked John Cena as it looked like he was about to win, either causing the DQ or allowing JBL to win the match if it were No DQ -- also explaining the short length given to the match. JBL would brag about how he knocked Cena back, but then the I Quit Match would have seen Cena overcome the odds and become the new WWE Champion, just shy of JBL reaching a year as WWE Champion.

[James Steele]

You both have very selective and foggy memory.

[Hanso Amore]

And so do you if you can't admit jbl had a good run

[Bad News Gertner]

JBL's run at that late in his career was amazing.he was so friggen obnoxious, plus he was a bad ass. My favourite wrestler of all time.

[Corporate CockSnogger]

Chill out there FourFifty

[Bad News Gertner]

Fourfifty hated JBL. It's a well known fact.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

JS you are like one of 5 people who ejoyed HHH's run in the early-mid 2000s. 3 of those 5 people were HHH, Steph and Vince.

[Lock Jaw]

I enjoyed most of it.

[Lock Jaw]

http://i.imgur.com/YG6FrkT.gif

[Innovator]

I was there for that Rumble match, thanks for reminding me about that

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Was going to get tickets to that Royal Rumble for Christmas, but didn't. Whooo didn't have to see that.

[Innovator]

That match made the already amazing Angle/Benoit match seem 100x better.

[James Steele]

Hanso, I never said JBL had a bad run you stupid mother fucker. I just said HHH's heel run was better.

[Bad News Gertner]

Nope, it was terrible. We win.

[Hanso Amore]

His title reign was a complete failure. It produced John Cena as a main eventer.

No need to get so grumpy just because everyone is insulting HHH.

Maybe this post was in jest, but saying this seems to me like you are saying his run wasnt great.

HHH in 2003-2005 was basically Jarrett in TNA from 2003-2008. Horrible, pushing down the throat of a Heel that no one cares about.

[Hanso Amore]

HHH was the least appealing arc of Evolution. Flair, Bats and Orton were fucking amazing. HHH was just meh.

Seriously HHH's worst years were 2003/2004. Before and after he was at his best.

[CSL]

It sucks that a guy with so much talent, in the ring and on the mic, gets a bad rep for not looking like he's in shape... even if he has proven he can go in the ring...

http://www.wwe.com/f/styles/photo_large/public/photo/image/2008/05/7102298.jpg

To be fair, JBL was several years past his prime at that point. He was champion for 9 months and was a legit main eventer, he could get away with it.

Hero is a fucking WWE nobody.

Plus his whole deal was he was a 6'6" beer swilling Texan for so long leading up to that and that's what they're expected to look like.

Plus JBL is a shit ton more entertaining than Ohno.

JBL kills bitches dead

<font color=goldenrod>JBL was probably in his 40s when that picture was taken, nearly a decade older than Ohno.</font>

not to mention JBL has/had 60/80lbs on him. "Fat" and big is "get-awayable" with. "Fat" and skinny is not.

[Bad News Gertner]

JBL had also been with the company for ages and had established himself as a big, tough brawler.

[Hanso Amore]

We should change this to a JBL appreciation thread. The Best Heel Champion of the 2000s.

[Innovator]

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view7/2978100/jbl-clothesline-from-hell-o.gif

[Innovator]

Two of Gertner's favorite things:

http://wwe-show.com/roster/jbl.gif

[stultiloquy]

HHH was the least appealing arc of Evolution. Flair, Bats and Orton were fucking amazing. HHH was just meh.

Seriously HHH's worst years were 2003/2004. Before and after he was at his best.

I agree with you there.
That whole era felt lazy and predictable to me - it seemed like HHH was content to just coast through every match until Evolution interfered and helped him win.

But yeah, like you said, before and after were pretty good, I particularly enjoyed HHH's work during the Mcmahon-Helmsley era, it seemed to bring out the best in him.

[Bad News Gertner]

Two of Gertner's favorite things:

http://wwe-show.com/roster/jbl.gif

They should be friends, not enemies.

[Bad News Gertner]

Slater was so fucking gold during that

[ron the dial]

god damn that is such a gross clothesline.

[Lock Jaw]

Rollermacka needs to study JBL and his clothesline.

[Innovator]

god damn that is such a gross clothesline.
GOD DAMMIT THAT IS A LARIATTTTOOOOOOOOOOO

[Innovator]

Almost as good as

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[ron the dial]

GOD DAMMIT THAT IS A LARIATTTTOOOOOOOOOOO
the name of the move tells me otherwise :shifty:

[Innovator]

I refuse to lump JBL's glorious lariat in with Randy Orton's and RVD's respective clotheslines.

[ron the dial]

LARIATOOOOOOO FROM HELLOOOOOOOO

[CSL]

HHH was the least appealing arc of Evolution. Flair, Bats and Orton were fucking amazing. HHH was just meh.

Seriously HHH's worst years were 2003/2004. Before and after he was at his best.

I agree with you there.
That whole era felt lazy and predictable to me - it seemed like HHH was content to just coast through every match until Evolution interfered and helped him win.

Evolution doesn't/wouldn't have at all worked without Triple H. He also pretty much single-handedly made the "worst" guy in the group a megastar from the ruins of the rushed Orton ascent. He did pretty much everything a top heel leading a faction is supposed to do and did it pretty well.

[Innovator]

Just got sidetracked by youtubing Stan Hansen and ended up watching Stan Hansen vs. Hogan in 1990. Nice.

[Lock Jaw]

Evolution doesn't/wouldn't have at all worked without Triple H. He also pretty much single-handedly made the "worst" guy in the group a megastar from the ruins of the rushed Orton ascent. He did pretty much everything a top heel leading a faction is supposed to do and did it pretty well.

This is a factual statement.

[Lock Jaw]

Anyways, to stay on topic: Kassius Ohno or something.

[Hanso Amore]

Evolution doesn't/wouldn't have at all worked without Triple H. He also pretty much single-handedly made the "worst" guy in the group a megastar from the ruins of the rushed Orton ascent. He did pretty much everything a top heel leading a faction is supposed to do and did it pretty well.

I just never dug him. I agree that without the top guy in HHH the group doesnt work, and he did put Bats over - the Batista feud was amazing and where he turned back into Top notch HHH. Just feel like during the whole Evolution run HHH was Meh while the rest of the group was stellar. Im sure he played a huge role in mentoring them and making them stars, as did flair, but his on screen performance was still meh to me.

[Poit]

http://wwe-show.com/roster/jbl.gif

I'll agree with Lawler - that was possibly the best Clothesline from Hell JBL ever did.

[Bad News Gertner]

Slater sold that like a champ.

Btw JBL's Clothesline From Hell > Stan Hansen's Lariat. Half of Hansen's Lariat's were shoulder block with hiis arm sticking out.

[Corporate CockSnogger]

Can't ignore the camera work on that JBL clothesline there either. We as the audience essentially move with JBL's momentum. Pretty much everything works really well in that one little spot.

[Shisen Kopf]

Guys, let us not forget that Karl Malone rassled. One of the great clotheslines ever

http://31.media.tumblr.com/c54892d2760322d8f2bac9ded4ec88c8/tumblr_mqg5qsrvbi1qm9rypo1_1280.jpg

[Bad News Gertner]

I can't imagine what it must feel like to take. Clothesline From Hell. Seems like it'd suck big time.

[Fignuts]

Feel like Triple H established credibility to the world heavyweight title.

[Dark One]

In the interest of making this a JBL Appreciation Thread, behold the greatest night in hsi career.

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[Mr. Nerfect]

I actually went straight to that memory, Dark One. So fucking great. Also, that Clothesline from Hell on Heath Slater was fucking sick. I don't know if Bradshaw is smiling after he hits the move because he enjoys beating fuckers up or because he realizes that Heath Slater is a good fucking kid and took the move like a champ.

Slater is right up there with the best sellers in the company.