SlickyTricky n' Mingo present: The 8-19-13 "WTF HHH is a massive f*cking cunt" Raw thread!

[DrCrawford]

I definitely thought that was Evan Bourne for a second

[Savio]

These 3 were supposed to have a triple threat.

[#1-norm-fan]

DANCE OVER HIS LIFELESS BODY, JOHNNY! DANCE THE DANCE OF A THOUSAND DANCES!!

[BigCrippyZ]

I feel like maybe Sin Cara getting hurt 20 seconds into his match may have left them with too much time to burn.

I too wondered if Cara's injury was legit and if so, how much it would have an impact on the show.

[BigCrippyZ]

DANCE OVER HIS LIFELESS BODY, JOHNNY! DANCE THE DANCE OF A THOUSAND DANCES!!

:rofl:

[Aikido]

Get ready for the most awesome raw closing segment in a very long time, smokin a bowl whilst watching it, I'm super ready for something amazing.

[slik]

So...what vehicle will "Stone Cold" Daniel Bryan be driving into the arena??? The world wants to know.


Stone Cold Daniel Bryan.

"YES" is the new "WHAT".

Instead of beers he chugs down organic papaya juice after his matches.

Going to probably drive a Zamboni to the ring later and spray Orton, HHH and Steph with some.

[ministrychick77]

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ8M0H9406bFf1OZep3_qbVpuq7Ab386TAJ86T4NiNp30gYLXUFEg

much closer. examples are: taker, wyatt, bubba ray dudley, kevin thorne, dreamer..

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Don't like how they mentioned he was back in the building. Even though it's obvious he was going to be involved. I don't like the added mention of it. Like when they cut to the Shield prematurely a few months ago.

[#1-norm-fan]

dreamer..

Tommy Dreamer isn't dark or demonic. And he's BARELY chubby.

[Aikido]

I bet you steph is cutting of Triple H's balls, that's why he did what he did, "you gotta understand, my wife is a huge bitch."

[dronepool]

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[VSG]

The McMahon's showing their love for each other.. Aww!

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>The Shield as corporate security is fantastic.</font>

[#1-norm-fan]

Triple H talking straight to Narc right there.

[Corndad]

I hope Brie Bella randomly goes nuts trying to get through security lol

[road doggy dogg]

But most importantly... I DID IT FOR YOU, ROCK
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[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Putting the title on a man with 2 strikes, violent history, multiple suspensions is for the future!

[#1-norm-fan]

lol. Teddy Long applauding. #heel

[Emperor Smeat]

Teddy Long was the only one clapping up there

[Savio]

Rhode to the Future.

[VSG]

Narc should have been in here now.

[road doggy dogg]

Very good little technician
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[#1-norm-fan]

Triple H speaking the truth. Solid B+.

[slik]

Digging this new 'Corporation 2.0'

[VSG]

Randy Orton is A+, folks- remember that.

[VSG]

Great promo btw, people should really learn from this guy how to talk.

[road doggy dogg]

omg this is all about Triple H WWE doesn't know what they're doing at all omg omg no long term vision
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[#1-norm-fan]

Randy Orton is A+, folks- remember that.

I have had no problem remembering that for years.

[Malfeitor]

Buried!

[ministrychick77]

trips is used to burying people.

[Cool King]

Oh Triple H, you and your burying.

[VSG]

So much burying going on from HHH :lol:

[road doggy dogg]

Love it, it's like Trips is speaking directly to people like Narc. "I check my ego at the door every week" So good
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[Cool King]

Great promo btw, people should really learn from this guy how to talk.

Yeah, I've always loved Triple H's mic time.

Especially during his heel runs.

[VSG]

Crowd's going to pop like a mother when Daniel Bryan's music hits. So many memories of Stone Cold coming in here.

[Corndad]

Teddy is a Heel Deluxe right now HAHAHA

[Savio]

I like how he referenced his "Coal to Diamond" promo from 2003.

[Aikido]

EVOLUTION REFERENCE!!!!!!!!!!!! HE REFERENCED THE COAL AND DIAMOND THING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! EVOLUTION WAS A 9 YEAR WORK!!!!!!!!!!!!

[VSG]

lol Teddy still the only guy clapping.

[road doggy dogg]

HHH is such a good hype dude, then Randy's wussy "I hear voices... " song comes on. Sounds mad pussy bro. Mad pussy.
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[ministrychick77]

maddox was clapping too

[Poit]

Was really hoping for Evolution music right there.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Randy: Sorry for the almost rape.

Steph :D

[Corndad]

That was one creepy hug.

[ministrychick77]

ok. i think my brain just exploded.

[Poit]

OK, Orton hugging Stephanie just feels wrong.

[DrCrawford]

Randy could have at least worn a suit. I can't stand him

[#1-norm-fan]

Holy shit. Cole mentioning "what Randy Orton has done to that young lady over the years". Nice. lol

[road doggy dogg]

Was really hoping for Evolution music right there.

word :'(
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[Cool King]

I agree with everyone who thinks The Shield as security is fantastic.

[VSG]

That hug to Steph was pretty epic, now if Daniel Bryan comes out to "Final Countdown" I can sleep happily knowing even Narc can't be pessimistic about this.

[Aikido]

Now beat down orton, and tell Damian Sandow that since his briefcase isn't clearly marked, he can challenge anyone, lol, it would never happen, but would play to his intelligence game.

[Emperor Smeat]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>How formal can this coronation be if <a href="https://twitter.com/RandyOrton">@RandyOrton</a> isn't even wearing pants? <a href="https://twitter.com/search?q=%23RAWTonight&amp;src=hash">#RAWTonight</a></p>&mdash; WWE Creative Humor (@WWECreative_ish) <a href="https://twitter.com/WWECreative_ish/statuses/369656158652342272">August 20, 2013</a></blockquote>
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[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>That Triple H promo was nauseating, in all the right ways.</font>

[Skippord]

I do love that The Shield is running security

Roman Reigns looks like every bouncer

[Hanso Amore]

Is reigns wearing a badge?

[#1-norm-fan]

"your little career".

Triple H and Stephanie are pretty brilliant tonight.

[VSG]

Daniel Bryan is going to hit that massive knee tonight on HHH.

[slik]

The Shield are even dressed like Big Bossman when he was the 'corporate enforcer'

[Kris P Lettus]

I would mzrk out if DB crawled out of Mark Henerys belly

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>This promo is proof that Triple H is a billion times better as a heel.</font>

[Savio]

Come out with a Stun Gun plz

[VSG]

Holy shit heel HHH is so amazing.

[VSG]

Well that was a weak entrance :'(

[Corndad]

Kick his ass Seabass!

[VSG]

Knew that was gonna happen #MontyBrownPounce

[Poit]

Anyone who touches Daniel Bryan, there'll be problems.

The thing is... I lied.

[#1-norm-fan]

lol. What is going on...

[road doggy dogg]

Condescending patronizing HHH :love:
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[Hanso Amore]

Ww

That's the fighting spirit.

Classic

[road doggy dogg]

Anyone who touches Daniel Bryan, there'll be problems.

The thing is... I lied.

Remember when I said I'd kill you last?
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[Theo Dious]

Wow. This is terribly lame and uninteresting.

[road doggy dogg]

THAT RKO CAME OUTTA NOWHERE!!! :eek: :eek: :eek:
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[Corndad]

Oh Fuck this Hardcore.

[Savio]

Kinda hope they release DB now just to piss of Narc

[VSG]

LOL I love how Daniel Bryan is just getting beaten up from everywhere.

[Aikido]

Damn after all that, it could have been soo much better.

[DrCrawford]

Orton's theme sucks, and IMO ruined the ending

[road doggy dogg]

Gotta say though, that was a pretty "meh" finish. HHH built it up so good then it just... didn't really deliver.
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[Hanso Amore]

Lets be real here.

Bryan is the most guy over in ages. And he is buried two nights in a row. Yeah, Long term whatever. He is just getting his shit kicked in.

[#1-norm-fan]

Get ready for the most awesome raw closing segment in a very long time, smokin a bowl whilst watching it, I'm super ready for something amazing.

After watching that, I would have switched to coke.

[slik]

Good show overall, even if I wasn't crazy about the ending I know they are going somewhere with it

[DrCrawford]

Gotta say though, that was a pretty "meh" finish. HHH built it up so good then it just... didn't really deliver.
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thanks to Bore-ton

[ministrychick77]

wow. that pissed me off, and not in the 'i wanna spend money to see orton/trips get beat up' way.

[#1-norm-fan]

Good Raw. Shit ending.

[VSG]

http://www.tpww.info/500error/random.php

Fucking server "load"

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Oh, you mean the face isn't supposed to get his revenge on the very first full night of the angle? I guess I have no idea how wrestling works.</font>

[#1-norm-fan]

thanks to Bore-ton

lol. Alright, now you're just trying too hard. None of that segment being underwhelming had to do with Orton.

[VSG]

I dunno about the ending- feel Narc has a justifiable reason to be pissed about it but, god, I missed heel HHH so much that I really don't care much.

[el bobbo]

HHH was acting like the dick boss who calls you "buddy" all of the time, but stabs you in the back any chance they get. I fucking despise people like that. #GreatHeel

[Skippord]

Shield for WWE champion!

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

I really don't like them having a new show right after Raw. That means they will be tighter with the over-run.

[road doggy dogg]

I think they coulda just done so much more with it. They have the entire roster out on the ramp, Bryan by his lonesome with his bosses in the ring. They could've done a much better "public humiliation" play there, but instead he just gets roughed up by the Shield a bit and then RKO'd... like they had this whole elaborate plan then really had no way to tie a bow on it. Otherwise awesome segment though, heel HHH is so good
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[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>I fail to see how that ending was underwhelming at all. The motives were explained. We have clarity that the McMahons are now a cohesive unit and, presumably, have formed a new version of The Corporation. They trot out the hero only to be huge dicks and have him get the shit beaten out of him. Even then, he got offense on The Shield. The roster was there, but they couldn't intervene. And let's be real, Cena just left and he's the only guy on the roster who would normally say "fuck it" and help anyway.

You can't blow your load and have Bryan beat the fuck out of people right away like some people seem to want to have happened.</font>

[Theo Dious]

<font color=goldenrod>I fail to see how that ending was underwhelming at all. The motives were explained. We have clarity that the McMahons are now a cohesive unit and, presumably, have formed a new version of The Corporation. They trot out the hero only to be huge dicks and have him get the shit beaten out of him. Even then, he got offense on The Shield.

You can't blow your load and have Bryan beat the fuck out of people right away like some people seem to want to have happened.</font>

Building the new heel machine, fine. How about not having your new top babyface come out like a dumb asshole and get unceremoniously put down.

[glanville6]

HHH gets to be heel again. Good for him and good for us all.

Even though a lot of you are pissed about the ending, I enjoyed the show like you did, and don't feel like Bryan was buried at all. He is the main event now. Its corporation part two and this is the build of a new Austin. Might not be as good, but he is in great position to be the #1 face for a while.

[Aikido]

After watching that, I would have switched to coke.
I'm tellin' ya man, atleast something would've gotten me pumped up.

[VSG]

<font color=goldenrod>I fail to see how that ending was underwhelming at all. The motives were explained. We have clarity that the McMahons are now a cohesive unit and, presumably, have formed a new version of The Corporation. They trot out the hero only to be huge dicks and have him get the shit beaten out of him. Even then, he got offense on The Shield. The roster was there, but they couldn't intervene. And let's be real, Cena just left and he's the only guy on the roster who would normally say "fuck it" and help anyway.

You can't blow your load and have Bryan beat the fuck out of people right away like some people seem to want to have happened.</font>

Of course it makes sense, but if this happens next week as well then I will agree with STD n' Mingo in that Bryan should left last night as WWE champion.

[Skippord]

I think we all remember how Stone Cold Steve Austin would come out and get foolishly beaten up only to get foolishly beaten up more

[Theo Dious]

thanks to Bore-ton

Bullshit. Orton had nothing to do with the lack of delivery there. If it'd been heel CM Punk it would have been no different.

[VSG]

I think we all remember how Stone Cold Steve Austin would come out and get foolishly beaten up only to get foolishly beaten up more

He did get beat up a lot early on to be frank.

[Evil Vito]

Building the new heel machine, fine. How about not having your new top babyface come out like a dumb asshole and get unceremoniously put down.

<font color=goldenrod>So you would rather Bryan be the first face in the history of wrestling to get unjustly kicked out of the arena and look like a huge bitch by not trying to come back? Glad you're not in charge.</font>

[Hanso Amore]

Tonight was the night to make Bryan a star. He comes down and fights his way and really puts egg on the McMahon Helmsley regime featuring the shield. Give him some momentum as the BIG FACE. tyhen do this next week.

They are losing me quick

[Skippord]

He did get beat up a lot early on to be frank.
I only really remember him stunning everyone.

[VSG]

Why does Hanso have 2 men kissing as his avatar? Is this something to do with that Miotch-Hanso pissing contest?

[Poit]

<font color=goldenrod>The roster was there, but they couldn't intervene.</font>

I'm sorry, what?

The roster was forbidden from touching Daniel Bryan. There was nothing preventing Big Show, Mark Henry, PTP, etc. from coming down and beating down the Shield.

[Hanso Amore]

He did get beat up a lot early on to be frank.

No. He fucked up vince, got arrested, and vince hired goons to back him up and avoid the ultimate payoff which would come time to time. Not the same.

[Skippord]

I am pretty glad The Shield got to look awesome

The Shield are the best

[Theo Dious]

I think we all remember how Stone Cold Steve Austin would come out and get foolishly beaten up only to get foolishly beaten up more

...you mean the Stone Cold Steve Austin that, following a savage beatdown, would still have to be restrained from coming back to get more? I don't remember Austin's big run starting with him walking cautiously down to a ring, letting himself be ambushed, then taking his opponent's finisher. Austin mentality would have been to attack the Shield before they could attack him.

[#1-norm-fan]

<font color=goldenrod>I fail to see how that ending was underwhelming at all. The motives were explained. </font>

Really, the motive was "I actually like Daniel Bryan but he's not a good face of the company so I chose someone who is."

Then he proceeded to call him out just so he could get jumped. lol

[Hanso Amore]

I'm sorry, what?

The roster was forbidden from touching Daniel Bryan. There was nothing preventing Big Show, Mark Henry, PTP, etc. from coming down and beating down the Shield.

You are correct. I expected Henry and Show to come down and help.

I miss 1999-2001 WWE raw endings where the ring was full of heels beating on faces only for a returning face to come down and clear house.

[Wake Up Call]

I know this has to be 4-6 months down the road, but how awesome would it be to have DB getting beat down like that, having Cena make his return, come to the ring, have JBL say those famous words


"But whose side is he on??"


And boom, nail DB with the A.A.

I'd poop in my pants

[Theo Dious]

I am pretty glad The Shield got to look awesome

The Shield are the best

At least there is that. I'm hoping the Shield takes offense to being used as goons to defend the corporate fucks eventually.

[Hanso Amore]

Why does Hanso have 2 men kissing as his avatar? Is this something to do with that Miotch-Hanso pissing contest?

Pissing? No, avatar bet yes. Was in good fun. we tied.

[BigCrippyZ]

I think we all remember how Stone Cold Steve Austin would come out and get foolishly beaten up only to get foolishly beaten up more

Actually yes, I do remember tons of Raw's where a top baby face Austin, Rock or Foley would take a beating to end the show. Just because your selective memory tells you otherwise doesn't make it reality.

[Theo Dious]

I know this has to be 4-6 months down the road, but how awesome would it be to have DB getting beat down like that, having Cena make his return, come to the ring, have JBL say those famous words


"But whose side is he on??"


And boom, nail DB with the A.A.

I'd poop in my pants

That's because you're an idiot. Apparently an incontinent one as well.

[#1-norm-fan]

My issue with the segment was the same as RDD's. They just set it up well with Bryan getting thrown out of the building and then finding his way back in so you just feel like "Oh, shit's about to go down..." and then he just gets attacked and that's it. It was underwhelming.

[Poit]

Building the new heel machine, fine. How about not having your new top babyface come out like a dumb asshole and get unceremoniously put down.

<font color=goldenrod>So you would rather Bryan be the first face in the history of wrestling to get unjustly kicked out of the arena and look like a huge bitch by not trying to come back? Glad you're not in charge.</font>

Ugh, no. Stop it.

"He shouldn't come out like a dumb asshole" doesn't mean "he shouldn't come out at all". If he had a weapon or something, he could have come out without being a lamb to the slaughter.

[VSG]

My issue with the segment was the same as RDD's. They just set it up well with Bryan getting thrown out of the building and then finding his way back in so you just feel like "Oh, shit's about to go down..." and then he just gets attacked and that's it. It was underwhelming.

I have to agree- I was REALLY looking forward to Bryan getting in some offence to the guys in the ring, not the shield. He could then have been jumped by the shield or whoever with the numbers game.

[Aikido]

I know this has to be 4-6 months down the road, but how awesome would it be to have DB getting beat down like that, having Cena make his return, come to the ring, have JBL say those famous words


"But whose side is he on??"


And boom, nail DB with the A.A.

I'd poop in my pants
That whole segment was based on the "future" of the company, so I see how it makes complete sense to turn your mainstay into a dick.

[glanville6]

Just got to be patient. We can all probably agree the show is better than it was 6 months ago. Let the coffee brew. Let the story keep building. Like someone said here, its only been 1 day.

[Hanso Amore]

Just got to be patient. We can all probably agree the show is better than it was 6 months ago. Let the coffee brew. Let the story keep building. Like someone said here, its only been 1 day.

Good insight.

[road doggy dogg]

Think y'all are missing the point. Top face in company doesn't intrinsically mean he has to follow the exact mold of Austin at the top. That would be silly. Bryan's character has NEVER been a parallel to Austin's. Having Bryan come out "guns blazing" and mowing down the Shield and sliding into the ring and nailing everyone with finishing moves n shit would be totally out of character for him. He's always been kind of a meek character, not some gun-toting beer-swilling redneck who's abrasiveness is his calling card.

Of course, you do want your top guy to be booked to look strong (give it more than one show), but to chastise the WWE for not booking Bryan exactly like Austin is ridiculous.

And even then, if they did, people would be whining that "they've seen this all before". Same old IWC.
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[Evil Vito]

Ugh, no. Stop it.

"He shouldn't come out like a dumb asshole" doesn't mean "he shouldn't come out at all". If he had a weapon or something, he could have come out without being a lamb to the slaughter.

<font color=goldenrod>See, I disagree. Bryan will more than likely be in many situations in the next few months, maybe even next week - where he wants to get his hands on Orton/HHH/Vince but has to get through the Shield, Maddox, and whoever else they want to add assuming it does become a proper stable. I figure it'd make more sense for Bryan to seriously "snap" later on. Having him maniacally running out with a kendo stick (same weapon he beat Orton with a few months ago) would be a much cooler moment if it happens after he's already been fucked over/fell for the trap.

Just my 2 cents.</font>

[glanville6]

Think y'all are missing the point. Top face in company doesn't intrinsically mean he has to follow the exact mold of Austin at the top. That would be silly. Bryan's character has NEVER been a parallel to Austin's. Having Bryan come out "guns blazing" and mowing down the Shield and sliding into the ring and nailing everyone with finishing moves n shit would be totally out of character for him. He's always been kind of a meek character, not some gun-toting beer-swilling redneck who's abrasiveness is his calling card.

Of course, you do want your top guy to be booked to look strong (give it more than one show), but to chastise the WWE for not booking Bryan exactly like Austin is ridiculous.

And even then, if they did, people would be whining that "they've seen this all before". Same old IWC.
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I agree. Its too soon, under the circumstances we saw on TV, for Bryan to have the upper hand that quickly. Daniel Bryan can take a beating, but he can also give one. If Daniel Bryan looks too good tonight, the heels don't get anything out of it. Bryan has already been established as the underdog, let the heels establish themselves a little bit more, then you can have some more give and take.

[road doggy dogg]

Indeed. Would've liked to see Orton played up a little more than he was, but again, there's time for that as well.
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[SlickyTrickyDamon]

They played him up enough. Can't have him played up too much because everybody knows what a boring, unreliable piece of shit he is.

[Emperor Smeat]

RAW was good this week even with the ending being a bit weak.

Do agree that Bryan coming back after being kicked out was a bit of a let down since all it lead was him getting beaten up several times but it did establish that The Shield are now part of the new Corporation.

[James Steele]

Heel HHH is truly an awe-inspiring television experience. I had goosebumps. I've still got that special tingle I haven't felt in 7 years. Truly amazing what WWE has put together here. My only hope is that they tease this out for a good 4-5 years.

[Cool King]

I enjoyed Raw tonight.

I have no complaints about how things went.

[Poit]

<font color=goldenrod>See, I disagree. Bryan will more than likely be in many situations in the next few months, maybe even next week - where he wants to get his hands on Orton/HHH/Vince but has to get through the Shield, Maddox, and whoever else they want to add assuming it does become a proper stable. I figure it'd make more sense for Bryan to seriously "snap" later on. Having him maniacally running out with a kendo stick (same weapon he beat Orton with a few months ago) would be a much cooler moment if it happens after he's already been fucked over/fell for the trap.

Just my 2 cents.</font>

I think you missed the point of my post. I wasn't saying that Bryan coming out to get destroyed didn't further the story. I was just pointing out that you were potentially misinterpreting Tedious's post.

[Evil Vito]

I think you missed the point of my post. I wasn't saying that Bryan coming out to get destroyed didn't further the story. I was just pointing out that you were potentially misinterpreting Tedious's post.

<font color=goldenrod>Fair enough. I just thought it was fine as is. I'm seriously interested in where this goes, and knowing Cena is out they really do have a chance to strike absolute gold here. They pretty much have to, really.

In general this is the first 3 hour Raw I've remained interested in throughout in months.</font>

[Wake Up Call]

I see nothing wrong with the way the story went tonight. Fact is some are comparing this to Austin who is 6'2 252lbs, while Bryan is 5'8 200 lbs. it makes perfect sense to me that he got worked over.

What would make me question this is if they had DB surprise the McMahons somehow, as if Noone has ever messed up a "coronation" before.

They were expecting it, and sent the message. It may happen for a month straight, but when It's DB's turn to strike back, that's how this story will be defined, and how high DB's star can go.

[Theo Dious]

<font color=goldenrod>So you would rather Bryan be the first face in the history of wrestling to get unjustly kicked out of the arena and look like a huge bitch by not trying to come back? Glad you're not in charge.</font>

As opposed to what he did, which was to stroll right up to the evil power machine, ostensibly believing their clearly empty promises and succumbing to the beatdown?

And yeah, I'd have rather seen him be the first guy to do that because at least it would have been something new. I'd rather had them keep Bryan off the rest of the show and let the crowd simmer over it. Do the same thing next week, except at the end of the show cut on the Tron to Bryan sitting on top of a limo informing the bosses that he's learned from the things that happened to Austin, Foley, Rock, and Cena, and that he isn't going to play their little game. Talk about how he understands that it only feeds into their sense of power. Have him shake up a can of spray paint like he's going to deface the limo, then toss it aside and say he doesn't have to do that because it wouldn't get him what he wants. Pick up a sledgehammer and make to swing it, and then just drop it and say that doesn't get him what he wants. He doesn't need to wreck things, because he isn't Stone Cold.

The notion that Bryan HAD to come out is conventional, but it's stale and boring. This was the establishment of the new heel machine and no, Bryan shouldn't have come out on top, but making Bryan look like a brainless moron was just a dumb move.

[Theo Dious]

You know what else would have been better? Do EXACTLY what they did tonight, except hide the Shield under the ring and have them come out and attack when Bryan got there.

[Lock Jaw]

Terrible Terrible Raw tonight due to a few reasons

1) Nobody was talking about the travesty that befell Christian at Summerslam when he was screwed out of the WHC by a crooked referee.

2) Christian didn't even appear, except at the top of the ramp at the end of the show.

3) It looks like Rob Van Damn (ugh) is in line for the next WHC shot. Ricardo should have announced Christian, and Christian should have cut a killer promo and announced that he has been granted one more match.

4) Failing Ricardo introducing Christian, it would have been a really choice spot to reintroduce Hunico as a major babyface star. Since ADR is going on about how he is now a hero to all "lower-class" Mexicans, Ricardo could have found a "lower-class" Mexican who disagrees. Hunico cuts a killer promo about how ADR isn't his hero, and blah blah blah. Really, anyone would have been better than RVD.

[Lock Jaw]

The Daniel Bryan/McMahon/HHH stuff was alright, I guess, but the above stuff RUINED THE ENTIRE SHOW

[Skippord]

that reminds me, is Hunico dead?

where has he been?

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Thought he was suspended or hurt.

[Poit]

According to Wikipedia, he was in a match at Wrestlemania Axxess.

[glanville6]

Whats a Hunico?

[DrCrawford]

Bullshit. Orton had nothing to do with the lack of delivery there. If it'd been heel CM Punk it would have been no different.

not really. as soon as orton came out, it felt like the momentum just died.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Sort of wish I could watch all of the Raws for the month tonight to see where this is going for Night of Champions.

[Tom Guycott]

I like this new Tag Team of STD and Mingo. Kinda like the Booker T and Golddust of 2013.

Tricky and Mingo make me want to do the bit from Serenity about the twins.

And yes, I can tell which is which because Tricky's prettier.

[Lock Jaw]

Loved the CM Punk/Axel brawl.

Legit thought for a moment there that they were going to have Axel "break Punk's leg" and Punk would be out for awhile again. I was like "Cena, Sheamus, and Punk all out?! Daniel Bryan is going to be their only big Face left?"

[Hanso Amore]

Still not understanding why they needed to ban him and have him sneak in to just get beat down. Just have him on the ramp and make him come down.

[Theo Dious]

not really. as soon as orton came out, it felt like the momentum just died.

I'm sure this has nothing to do with your prejudices on the subject.

[MIZantine Empire]

Aesthetics definitely do. Theme music, ring attire, hair styles, etc. All important to how a talent is perceived.

Stone cold was arguably the biggest star in the business and he wore plain black trunks.. Just sayin

[Volare]

Could've made alot more guys tonight.

Figured a few people would've started fighting the shield becoming enemy's of the new Corp. Raw next week starts with talks of the 3 (any 3 mid/uppercarders use your imagination) being punished for trying to help Bryan and will face members of the Shield. All 3 get beaten due to underhanded tactics till Bryan comes out cause he's pissed and wants revenge. Overall alliance being made with Bryan leading vs Corp. You can add in new members/people switching/screw jobs and it can go down the line and add in so many people to stories that fucking mean a shit again.

I dunno that's what ran through my head anyways.

[Lock Jaw]

Triple H, Randy Orton, Wade Barrett, and uhh Big E Langston should form the New Evolution.

[Poit]

Nah, Ryback should take the big man role. Give him something to do.

[Skippord]

Alternatively they could fire Ryback and have Big E be Batista

would really be best for everyone

[Lock Jaw]

Originally chose Ryback, but this whole Bully Ry thing has just been so terrible, I am having trouble seeing them salvaging him out of it.

[Volare]

Kinda waiting for Ziggler to get in on the action. Since RVD is in the WHC title hunt apparently now.

[Lock Jaw]

Daniel Bryan, Dolph Ziggler, The Big Show, and Mark Henry should form the New Union

[Poit]

Bully Ry

:lol:

[Skippord]

or a new Nation of Domination

[Volare]

Zig-Zag into Yes! Lock just pop'd in my head....

[Lock Jaw]

Ricardo should have introduced Los Matadors

http://i878.photobucket.com/albums/ab350/redsox1002003/LosMatadores2_zps68e319e1.gif?t=1376973106

http://i878.photobucket.com/albums/ab350/redsox1002003/LosMatadores4_zps2b89b846.gif?t=1376973512

These guys are gonna be huge

[Nark Order]

After watching RAW tonight, I'm pretty confident with my stance on all of this. They had two opportunities to completely make Bryan in the last 48 hours and squandered them both. Legit lol sometimes at the "Lets just see where this goes, guys." guys. Especially after that meme I saw. We cant just admit that they missed an opportunity here?

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Which meme?

[#1-norm-fan]

I believe he's referring to this...

http://i.imgur.com/CbBwT.jpg

[#1-norm-fan]

The Orton-Christian thing doesn't really belong in there. It actually lead to a pretty awesome feud. Everything else is pretty lolWWE.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

and Jericho that led to a great feud with CM Punk. Where things went was pretty awesome.

[stultiloquy]

Ricardo should have introduced Los Matadors

http://i878.photobucket.com/albums/ab350/redsox1002003/LosMatadores2_zps68e319e1.gif?t=1376973106

http://i878.photobucket.com/albums/ab350/redsox1002003/LosMatadores4_zps2b89b846.gif?t=1376973512

These guys are gonna be huge

Well, if nothing else they've found an opportunity to re-purpose the Portuguese Man of War's spare masks.

[#1-norm-fan]

and Jericho that led to a great feud with CM Punk. Where things went was pretty awesome.

... I don't think Jericho having cryptic videos leading to his return and then being silent and crying for weeks only to brush it off as him just trolling for the fuck of it is what lead to the CM Punk feud.

[dronepool]

As a DB fan, I enjoyed RAW.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Stone cold was arguably the biggest star in the business and he wore plain black trunks.. Just sayin

That was a part of his aesthetic. If Austin had suddenly switched to blue trunks for no reason and started using "J-Pop Drop" as his theme music, would he have still given off the same "Austin-vibe?"

[Mr. Nerfect]

Hunico is the fucking best and I miss him so much. Now that Alberto Del Rio is being a Mexican Bret Hart, I'd love to see Hunico step to him and talk about what a piece of shit he is. Del Rio should beat RVD cleanly at Night of Champions and as soon as Hunico is healthy, he should go after Del Rio -- only to find himself attacked by The Real Americans, who sell out to Del Rio, because greed is the true American way.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Los Matadores are also set to revolutionize the industry. Glad to see Primo doing something. He's a fantastic talent and could be used far more than occasionally jobbing to guys.

[Nark Order]

Triple H like "we put our differences aside for business." Differences? Being members of opposing political parties is a difference that can be put aside. Allegiance to differing brands of toothpaste is a difference that can be put aside. Randy Orton trying to sexually assault and murder Triple H's wife is not a difference that can be put aside. Legit laughed out loud when he said that and couldn't stop giggling for like 10 minutes.

He did it for the future. He did it for his children. You know what would've also hindered the future lives of his children? Randy Orton ruthlessly murdering their mother in cold blood in front of thousands of people.

[Mr. Nerfect]

The McMahons have also beaten each other up. Triple H has left Stephanie at the alter. He originally drugged her to marry her in the first place. Vince has been Pedigree'd and he has tried to have been put out of business by Steph. The McMahon Family care about one thing -- money. One day, years down the track, it would not surprise me to see Triple H backing Daniel Bryan, referencing the money Bryan has made him over the years as being a reason he is now cool with Bryan, as opposed to making his life hell.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Next week, I do think they should do Daniel Bryan vs. The Shield in a 3-on-1 Handicap Match, and I think that it could be something quite splendid.

[Nark Order]

Yeah. I know. Not really a "this is legitimately wrong with this angle" thing. More of just something that amused me for awhile. Couldn't stop laughing about it.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I wish Bryan had kicked a little more ass before the ending, but I can see this working out for Bryan. He's got something bottled at the moment and all he needs to do is his job and he'll be fucking over.

[Nark Order]

After fully watching RAW and Summerslam, I have a better understanding of this whole angle and am not in a blood rage about it really anymore now that I have more context, but I still remain that it would've benefitted everybody much more if Bryan just won. It's going to be very difficult to keep these types of attitude era-esque reactions for Bryan going forever and they should've struck while the iron was hot. Also, the whole premise doesn't really make that much sense. Hunter did this for business but the entire arena goes batshit for Bryan every night, buys all his merchandise, buys tickets to see him, and won't stop chanting his name? In kayfabe terms, they should fucking love this guy and all the cash he's raking in. They would've been better of just saying they didn't like him.

Really worried they won't be able to stretch this out all that long and that Bryan's immense popularity won't be capitalized on properly. Have a hard time thinking he'll ever be as over as he was at Summerslam, especially after RAW where they just completely buried him.

[Mr. Nerfect]

That was always my problem with the Austin/McMahon angle, too. It's no secret that Austin was making shitloads of cash for the WWE. But Vince still hated it.

[Nark Order]

Well at least with Austin/McMahon it was acknowledged that they didn't like each other and all of the shenanigans played off of that fact. Triple H said that he actually liked Bryan but had to do it for business. From a kayfabe business perspective, they should be worshipping Daniel Bryan right now. Now, I only have a basic understanding of business but it seems like you'd probably endorse a guy that was selling out your arenas and selling merchandise faster than anyone can make it. BUT WHAT DO I KNOW.

[Mr. Nerfect]

But that goes to the same point. Vince tried to fire Austin and have him stopped all the time, but he was undoubtedly the biggest star of the Attitude era. Triple H can say one thing and mean another. He's a heel now.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Daniel Bryan beat the WWE Champion clean at SummerSlam. In kayfabe, he is an A+ Superstar. Calling him "B+" is a heel delusional lie. Saying you like him but he can't be allowed to success is inane.

[Savio]

Bryan should have went out there with a Zamboni, attack Vince, then chugged a beer!

[Innovator]

I can see guys like Ziggler, Show, Henry, all rallying behind Bryan and helping him fend off the Shield.

Speaking of the Shield, I was holding out hope Bryan would come down and the Shield would let him get to the ring.

[Skippord]

that would be sweet

Bryan comes down and the Shield give him a nod and let him go through, then they jump up on the other three sides of the ring and destroy the McMahons and Randy Orton

then they win the WWE title and defend it as a collective

[Savio]

Allegiance to differing brands of toothpaste is a difference that can be put aside.lies

[Innovator]

that would be sweet

Bryan comes down and the Shield give him a nod and let him go through, then they jump up on the other three sides of the ring and destroy the McMahons and Randy Orton

then they win the WWE title and defend it as a collective
OR

Bryan comes out with back up in the form of the ghost of Andre the Giant. Ambrose runs away as Reigns and Rollins get laid out with ghost headbutts. Vince takes the butt splash in the corner as Bryan Yes Locks everyone.

[Innovator]

Or he comes back to the ring with this guy:

http://worldwrestlinginsanity.com/images2/shane%20mcmahon%20dance.gif

[Joesgonnakillyou]

They probably should have made Bryan a little stronger there but I guess it build sympathy and puts over the new corporation as heels.

it's kinda cool that I'll be cheering on the top face against the heels, I haven't done that in ages!

[Innovator]

I think it's just that we're so used to the babyfaces being assholes, the heels being rational, and babyfaces being unstoppable that we forget that faces can be in the right and get beaten down.

[Savio]

Who does Bryan take out first guys? Who is the pawn in this new corporation that gets taken out on Smackdown? or next weeks Raw? Hope they put him over Ryback in the lead up to NOC.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Probably Seth Rollins.

[Volare]

Who will get fired first from the Corporation and switch sides? And Who will screw who?!?!?11//1/1

[ClockShot]

Kinda wanna see Linda get involved in this somehow.

Either that or Bryan goes all crazy and plays mind games with the McMahons. Shows up to the McMahons house and goes crazy.

Like what HHH did to Orton not to long ago. Showed up at his place and trashed the house.

[Poit]

Or he comes back to the ring with this guy:

http://worldwrestlinginsanity.com/images2/shane%20mcmahon%20dance.gif

If Bryan had come out with Shane, I may have exploded from excitement.

[MIZantine Empire]

That was a part of his aesthetic. If Austin had suddenly switched to blue trunks for no reason and started using "J-Pop Drop" as his theme music, would he have still given off the same "Austin-vibe?"

I agree.. But that's not what I meant.. The argument was the gear represents the wrestler, and Cody needing to change his to help further his career.. I'm just sayin Austin was massively over and he wore a plain Jane, run of the mill black diaper

[Shadrick]

Gotta be honest, I'm legit excited for the next 7 months of WWE television.

[Lock Jaw]

Gertner came out of retirement to stab me in the heart

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[DrCrawford]

I'm sure this has nothing to do with your prejudices on the subject.

I guess that's why the crowd was dead when he came out. Like it was dead at MITB when he won the briefcase in the first place.

[The Fraze]

Just watched Raw, loved the end. Bryan is the man and his momentum is going to build and build with how disgustingly heel-ish the McMahon's, Triple H, and Orton are together. Digging this.

[BigCrippyZ]

Loving this Bryan vs Orton/HHH/McMahons so far. Can't wait to see what they do next. Combining that with Punk and Heyman being incredible in their feud so far, it's making for some great television.

Between those two big feuds, the Shield, the Wyatts, Rhodes/Sandow and some of the tag team action we've had recently and I'm really excited for what's coming. Hopefully it'll stay pretty solid for at least the next few months. Still gonna enjoy it as long as I can.

[ron the dial]

just noticed that "fucking" is censored in the thread title, but "cunt" is not.

[VSG]

Finally someone noticed it :D

[My Final Heaven]

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-tmIIbY1o0k0/TeDuWKgJWUI/AAAAAAAAAso/w36Vo3DxO1I/s400/John-Cena-vs-Randy-Orton-john-cena-11987945-624-390.jpg

I'm really looking forward to Orton's moronic bugeyed facial expressions when/if this leads up to a concrete match and when/if Bryan's allowed to put him is his finisher.

[My Final Heaven]

Orton vs Henry! Night of Champions! Will THE APEX PREDATOR be able to turn back the challenge from the Curator of THE HALL OF PAIN? IT'S WHAT HE DOES!!!!

[Mr. Nerfect]

I agree.. But that's not what I meant.. The argument was the gear represents the wrestler, and Cody needing to change his to help further his career.. I'm just sayin Austin was massively over and he wore a plain Jane, run of the mill black diaper

Ring gear can represent a wrestler. I never said Cody needed to change. I just think switching to longer tights would give him a fresher look and maybe look a bit more like a babyface. He doesn't need to do it, but I think it would aid. Like when Chris Jericho turned heel in 2008, switching to the super-serious short trunks helped change the vibes Jericho gave off. Or when The Miz did the same thing when he dropped the shorts for the trunks.

Plain Jane, run of the mill black trunks worked for Austin because he was "no-nonsense" and had no time to worry about such things. Black trunks, please, and step on it. I would contend that if Austin had worn much of anything else, he wouldn't have given off the same vibe. When he was a heel he did shake things up with different colored knee braces.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Who does Bryan take out first guys? Who is the pawn in this new corporation that gets taken out on Smackdown? or next weeks Raw? Hope they put him over Ryback in the lead up to NOC.

I'd love to see Vickie Guerrero stand tall and give Big Show, Dolph Ziggler & Daniel Bryan a six-man tag against The Shield on SmackDown. Also, Big Show should not be afraid of The Corporation, since he has an iron-clad contract. I do think that maybe they should have him align with Triple H and co., though, just to make his life easier. Maybe you can have RVD or Christian win the World Heavyweight Title between now and then and Big Show can take that from them as a reward for selling out. Show can dispatch of the face in the rematch, then take out Mark Henry. Finally, you have Dolph Ziggler prove he can win the big one against the biggest guy on the roster.

[#1-norm-fan]

Daniel Bryan beat the WWE Champion clean at SummerSlam. In kayfabe, he is an A+ Superstar. Calling him "B+" is a heel delusional lie. Saying you like him but he can't be allowed to success is inane.

In kayfabe, they still find him to be a B+ superstar because winning matches still isn't all it takes. They don't think he has the size/look to carry the company. It's heelish because he's actually successful and they wanna hamper that... but it's not "delusional" for them to consider him an A+ wrestler but a B+ superstar.

[#1-norm-fan]

I guess that's why the crowd was dead when he came out. Like it was dead at MITB when he won the briefcase in the first place.

Like it was dead when his music hit at SummerSlam? Then when he pinned Bryan at SummerSlam?

Oh wait...

[#BROKEN Hasney]

God I loved that Raw. I really thought that they were going to pretend to be slightly facey and let Bryan into the ring and just talk, but the Shield taking him out and Bryan almost taking all 3 of them if it wasn't for that sneaky spear was damn good. Then HHH with the patronising pep talk before the RKO.

I felt that The Nexus was ruined after their first PPV despite holding out hope. I think the Raws after Punk won the title at MITB were a let down... But this. This had everything awesome at Summerslam and then actually followed up on it well straight away.


This looks like a long build and I really hope it's a good multi-month program. Especially with Cena out of the picture.

[Crimson]

It's an awesome storyline. Someone I think will be on DB's side..it'd be cool if it was Punk.

[Poit]

Like it was dead when his music hit at SummerSlam? Then when he pinned Bryan at SummerSlam?

Oh wait...

Oh come on. Everyone gets a great reaction when they cash in. Even Jack Swagger.

[#1-norm-fan]

Well Swagger did cash in against a heel as opposed to the most over guy in the company whom the crowd was completely in love with.

[#1-norm-fan]

I'm also coupling that with the fact that Orton had consistently been over/getting good reactions already. The guy is over even despite not doing anything of note for the better part of a year.

[Skippord]

that Spear Roman Reigns hit on Bryan did not look good for his shoulder.

[Fignuts]

Did Narc come in here and spaz out yet?

[Tom Guycott]

Ricardo should have introduced Los Matadors

http://i878.photobucket.com/albums/ab350/redsox1002003/LosMatadores2_zps68e319e1.gif?t=1376973106

http://i878.photobucket.com/albums/ab350/redsox1002003/LosMatadores4_zps2b89b846.gif?t=1376973512

These guys are gonna be huge

Well, if nothing else they've found an opportunity to re-purpose the Portuguese Man of War's spare masks.


First thing I thought of when I saw this was:
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-m-iHpixxj70/UboRv07HmkI/AAAAAAAAguE/gkUcgFyEXQw/s400/tito_santana_3.jpg

Then again, they should make this another 3 man team/stable, and incorporate this:

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lnd273uQul1qj9in4o1_500.gif
Instant championship material!

[Cool King]

Apparently the names of Los Matadores are going to be Torito and Torlito.

[Juan]

First thing I thought of when I saw this was:
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-m-iHpixxj70/UboRv07HmkI/AAAAAAAAguE/gkUcgFyEXQw/s400/tito_santana_3.jpg

Don't you mean this?

http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20090513010442/wrestlingattitude/es/images/9/97/2986745793_1b777debab.jpg

[Vastardikai]

Don't you mean this?

http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20090513010442/wrestlingattitude/es/images/9/97/2986745793_1b777debab.jpg

My favorite moment from this gimmick came during the '92 Royal Rumble...

Bobby Heenan: Shawn Michaels is making Guacamole out of El Matador!

Gorilla Monsoon: HE IS not!

Bobby Heenan: Look at his tights, they're green!