WWE don't believe Ziggler will ever draw money

[Black Widow]

Regarding the plight of Dolph Ziggler, word is that officials don't believe he will ever be a guy who draws money.

Conflicting Reports On Rob Van Dam's WWE Status, Backstage News On Dolph Ziggler's Future - WrestlingInc.com (http://www.tpwwforums.com/Conflicting Reports On Rob Van Dam's WWE Status, Backstage News On Dolph Ziggler's Future - WrestlingInc.com)I can't understand how they could say Dolph Ziggler won't draw money and have Alberto Del Rio as the World Champion at the same time.

[Shadrick]

I can't understand how they could say Dolph Ziggler won't draw money and have Alberto Del Rio as the World Champion at the same time.

You really dont get that?

[Rammsteinmad]

Del Rio appeals to Mexican fans, or something.

[Bad News Gertner]

I believe Gertner said this a loooooong time ago and got yelled at.

[Vastardikai]

Del Rio appeals to Mexican fans, or something.

It was like folks were asleep during the whole Del Rio-Big Show feud in the beginning of the year.

It's not exactly his fault, though. It's not like he had a MAJOR CONCUSSION during his Big Gold Belt run.

[Lock Jaw]

Probably right. Dolph Ziggler is a steady hand and a great bonus to have in a match, but I couldn't imagine anyone buying a PPV just because of Ziggler.

I can at least maybe see some Mexicans buying because of Del Rio.

[Vastardikai]

Probably right. Dolph Ziggler is a steady hand and a great bonus to have in a match, but I couldn't imagine anyone buying a PPV just because of Ziggler.

I can at least maybe see some Mexicans buying because of Del Rio.

Watched the Royal Rumble at a friends house. He asked me why Del Rio was a face at the time. My explanation was this:

"Because they need someone who can draw the Latin American audience. Rey is often injured, Eddie is dead, and Sin Cara sucks, so by default he has to be the top draw."

[Sepholio]

Lot of Dolph chants every single time he is out there, though. He gets bigger pops than some of the top drawing talent does and he has been getting those kinda pops for awhile. I call bullshit on this one. He pissed off the wrong people backstage somehow and he is being buried as such.

[The Rogerer]

Alberto Del Rio is solid and better than he gets credit for. Ziggler is flashy but I haven't seen real substance. He's lost without his crew. ADR is better than Ziggler, easy.

[The Condor]

I understand the business model with Del Rio, but I feel weird when people say that Latin Americans need him. Are they lemmings that see a Hispanic and jump to buy his merchandise/PPV's just due to his ethnicity? I know all advertisers do it in all realms of society but it is talked about so openly in WWE that it just seems off.

[#1-norm-fan]

I can't imagine Ziggler as a TOP draw. He's worth much more than how they've used him since his face turn though.

[The Rogerer]

I understand the business model with Del Rio, but I feel weird when people say that Latin Americans need him. Are they lemmings that see a Hispanic and jump to buy his merchandise/PPV's just due to his ethnicity? I know all advertisers do it in all realms of society but it is talked about so openly in WWE that it just seems off.Yeah, am I supposed to relate to Seamus? Maybe if I was an <strike>patriot</strike> idiot, or maybe they need to make it more obvious and give him more potato based moves. Wade Barrett is doing the same stupid thing now, oh he's not british enough let's put "God save our Queen" on his entrance music - great, now I can relate!

I can appreciate having someone of that demographic, speaking their language, etc, but it's the generic nationalism of gimmicks I don't like.

[#1-norm-fan]

Don't forget Khali.

[Cuse8]

there will be a ziggler dvd someday and this whole ordeal will be a chapter on that.

fwiw ziggler is the goods and is faaaar more entertaining then 95% of the current roster.

[Chavo Classic]

Ziggler isn't a top star but his presence on the card makes the show better. I wouldn't order a PPV on the basis on that he's simply in the main event, but if I see that he's in the middle facing someone like Miz, Ambrose, Kingston or Cesaro then it would turn 'I might purchase this event' into a 'I can't wait to watch this'.
He fills his niche well in providing solid entertainment while the big draws put butts in seats, just like the cruiserweights did back in WCW.

[Emperor Smeat]

I can't imagine Ziggler as a TOP draw. He's worth much more than how they've used him since his face turn though.

Maybe if he really improved a lot on the mic considering that has been the big trait for almost all of the top drawing stars since the Hogan years.

As much as people wanted Ziggler to move away from having Vickie or AJ as his manager/valet, both helped him a lot when it came to promos and non-match crowd reactions.

[#1-norm-fan]

He was fine on the mic when he actually got to cut a promo as a heel. He came off as comfortable and incredibly cocky/douchey. I can't remember him cutting a promo since he turned face though.

[Curd]

How do you think Vince would respond if Ziggler said during radio interviews, "Vince is absolutely right about my drawing power, and I'm thrilled to be where I am in the company." ???

[#1-norm-fan]

Of course, it doesn't help that they put the guy over John Cena in the main event of a PPV and then immediately forgot about him for over three months. If you're gonna push a guy like that you should probably use some of those 6+ hours of TV a week that are filled with mostly meaningless matches and actually write a storyline for him or something.

[Poit]

I understand the business model with Del Rio, but I feel weird when people say that Latin Americans need him. Are they lemmings that see a Hispanic and jump to buy his merchandise/PPV's just due to his ethnicity? I know all advertisers do it in all realms of society but it is talked about so openly in WWE that it just seems off.

At the first live event I went to, there was a heavily Hispanic crowd. After Mysterio's match, at least a quarter of the audience left. They saw what they went there to see and didn't feel the need to stay.

So yes.

[Savio]

Del Rio appeals to Mexican fans, or something.
Ziggler appeals to 80s villians

[Ultra Mantis]

He was fine on the mic when he actually got to cut a promo as a heel. He came off as comfortable and incredibly cocky/douchey. I can't remember him cutting a promo since he turned face though.

He cut at least one good to great promo on AJ & Big E. There was a Smackdown angle where she stole his luggage and was trashing his shit and he was killing it with his one liners.

[Saving Grace]

I can't understand how they could say Dolph Ziggler won't draw money and have Alberto Del Rio as the World Champion at the same time.

I'll sume it up in three quick points:


1. Del Rio gets a reaction and draw from the audience as a heel
2. Del Rio is a minority, which draws minority viewers and equivalates to increase in revenue
3. He has look, personality, charisma, good on the mic, and i'd say 8.5/10 workrate


To sum it up, he has that "it" factor that Vinny Mac looks for in wrestlers

[Optimus Bone 69]

I like ziggler, he has always reminded me of Mr Perfect but i'd imagine that no matter what he'll never have that main event feel
you feel me dog

[Ultra Mantis]

I'll sume it up in three quick points:


1. Del Rio gets a reaction and draw from the audience as a heel
2. Del Rio is a minority, which draws minority viewers and equivalates to increase in revenue
3. He has look, personality, charisma, good on the mic, and i'd say 8.5/10 workrate


To sum it up, he has that "it" factor that Vinny Mac looks for in wrestlers

That seems more like a multiple choice question. The answer is 2 btw.

[whiteyford]

Yeah, am I supposed to relate to Seamus? Maybe if I was an <strike>patriot</strike> idiot, or maybe they need to make it more obvious and give him more potato based moves. Wade Barrett is doing the same stupid thing now, oh he's not british enough let's put "God save our Queen" on his entrance music - great, now I can relate!

I can appreciate having someone of that demographic, speaking their language, etc, but it's the generic nationalism of gimmicks I don't like.

It worked with the British Bulldog....and Roddy Piper...

I don't think it works the same way here though, I mean McIntyre gets a huge pop here but I can't see anyone buying tickets to a house show solely for him, same way Regal gets one of the biggest pops of the night when Raws taped in London, it's just the home 'town' roar. Khali supposedly is a huge draw in India but then he's the only Indian guy on the roster, maybe ADR has something like that in his favour too?

[XL]

At what point will the population of India realise that Khali very rarely features on the shows and start to tune out?

[whiteyford]

He doesn't have long left regardless I don't think.

[Vastardikai]

I used to hate Khali, as he's the worst wrestler of all time.

Now I just feel sorry for him. It has to suck to be that big.

[Bad News Gertner]

Jinder Mahal is Indian. India is probably full of 3MB fans.

[#1-norm-fan]

He doesn't have long left regardless I don't think.

RIP Great Khali.

[whiteyford]

That's how rumours start.

[mike adamle]

After the reaction he got the night after WrestleMania, I think Dolph can draw money.

[Bad News Gertner]

That crowd counts for zero

[#1-norm-fan]

Crowds were going nuts for Santino when he won that battle royal and almost won the World Title. Santino is awesome... but he's not really a potential main event star.

[Kane Knight]

Lot of Dolph chants every single time he is out there, though. He gets bigger pops than some of the top drawing talent does and he has been getting those kinda pops for awhile. I call bullshit on this one. He pissed off the wrong people backstage somehow and he is being buried as such.

Pops don't automatically translate into money.

[James Steele]

How many chants and stuff do TNA crowds spew out of their mouths like liquidy shits out of a Taco Bell customer? How much of that results in money for TNA?

[KIRA]

It worked with the British Bulldog....and Roddy Piper...

I don't think it works the same way here though, I mean McIntyre gets a huge pop here but I can't see anyone buying tickets to a house show solely for him, same way Regal gets one of the biggest pops of the night when Raws taped in London, it's just the home 'town' roar. Khali supposedly is a huge draw in India but then he's the only Indian guy on the roster, maybe ADR has something like that in his favour too?

Regal actually is someone I'd pay to see in the main event.

[#1-norm-fan]

Well, William Regal is just awesome in every way.

[#1-norm-fan]

Seriously, if WWE ever wanted to do some sort of a long-term "old guy who never made it going for one last crack at winning the big one" angle, I'd pick Regal as the guy to do it. He's just so fucking likable.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Jinder Mahal is Indian. India is probably full of 3MB fans.

3MB should do a Beatles-esque landing in India segment one day then become some of the biggest babyfaces on the roster. Slater is such a heel, but I actually think that Drew McIntyre could be a big babyface for the company down the track.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Seriously, if WWE ever wanted to do some sort of a long-term "old guy who never made it going for one last crack at winning the big one" angle, I'd pick Regal as the guy to do it. He's just so fucking likable.

Absolutely this. Love Regal. Even if he can't wrestle every week, they should still use him as a character. They could bring up his past with Daniel Bryan and have Triple H "reward" Regal by putting him in unfavorable situations.

[Mr. Nerfect]

As for Dolph Ziggler:

He's doing a decent job as a face in the ring -- keeping in mind that he's been a heel for almost his entire professional wrestling career so far (maybe even his whole career). He's over, he's sympathetic and he's got skills. I think what he really needs is a true program. His stuff with Dean Ambrose will lead to good ring work, but The Shield essentially hate everyone and are hated by everyone.

Ziggler getting another shot at Del Rio would make sense, assuming Del Rio retains against RVD. The two have great matches and Ziggler being the one to take the World Title off Del Rio would close the story between the two. The World Title program doesn't need to "make money" these days, so they can use it to build Ziggler and send the message to the fans that he is the real deal.

[Curd]

Triple H needs to call Dolph Ziggler a "flea market champion" on some shock jock's radio show so Dolph can call him out over it and then steal some wins via chair shots and biased referees. LOL

[Destor]

Is Ziggler an asset? Yes. Is he a draw? No. Not even remotely.

[Bad News Gertner]

Exactly

[#1-norm-fan]

You know who's a potential draw just waiting for creative to push him in a way where he can become the next big thing?

http://www.wwe.com/f/styles/photo_large/public/photo/image/2011/11/01_Movember_008a.jpg

[Bad News Gertner]

Um, WRONG!!!!

https://si0.twimg.com/profile_images/378800000066104066/832ff4fe63916ade8087f48b9cf4bbcc.jpeg

[#1-norm-fan]

Unbolievable

[Bad News Gertner]

They should rename the Money in the Bank PPV "Bo Dallas in the Bank", because that's what he is.

[Ultra Mantis]

For the best interest, Bo Dallas should probably stay in the bank, hidden from prying eyes.

[Innovator]

What an unbolieveable statement, Mantis.

[Ultra Mantis]

It was rather unbocoming of me, but I stand wyatt.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Johnny Curtis is cash money flow, playa.