State Your Case: Why do you hate Triple H?

[James Steele]

Discuss your reasons for hating Triple H and then provide evidence to backup your reasons for being a vile and spiteful human being.

[Anybody Thrilla]

I've never been a huge fan of Triple H's ring work, like...ever...but I think that he is pretty perfect in his current role with The Authority. I don't mind him at all.

[The Rogerer]

Rammed down your throat for years. To this day he takes up the spotlight at the start of the show with no real direction or momentum. You need to come out of the gate swinging, but instead we have him delaying the first match for up to 30 minutes at some point. Is competent but doesn't have a fraction of the charisma or watchability of someone like Vince. Not really adding anything to the product. Never drew a dime.

He's perfectly competent but he vastly overstays his welcome in all aspects.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>I don't hate Triple H in his current role, I think he's in a great spot and he is so much better as a heel.

But from an in-ring perspective he's only had one match in like four years that I've actually enjoyed: vs. Taker at WM 28. Loved that match. I'll admit I haven't watched HHH/Taker from WM 27 again, but at the time I remember it being a tremendous letdown from Taker's previous WM efforts. I'm willing to give it another watch as it's possible I wasn't viewing it from an objective eye as that Mania in general was atrocious.

But his matches with Punk (both against and teaming with him) did nothing for me. His Nash PPV match was about what you'd expect from a Nash match in 2011. All 3 Lesnar matches bored me to tears. It's looking like HHH/Punk is in the workings for WM 30 and, if their 2011 match is any indication, it'll be largely forgettable on a show that should feature loads of better matches.</font>

[Nark Order]

He's just not all that good for how "revered" he is and for how much he was shoved into everybody's face. He cuts the same promo with the same facial expressions in the same voice seriously every time he is on the microphone. Not once have I heard a Trips promo and was like "whoa. That was creative." He is the stereotype that comes to mind when somebody thinks of a prowrestler. Some absolute testosterone-drunk jacked guy that unintelligibly yells at people he is about to go into the ring with. It wouldn't be so bad but from all accounts the guy has the hugest ego in the business, despite just being pretty good. Like if he just was who he was and I didn't have to hear about him being one of the greatest ever because everybody is afraid of his wife, I probably wouldn't care one way or the other.

[Frank Drebin]

Has anyone gotten over on HHH in his new role yet? He buries everyone he gets involved with (only on the mic) and then they scream at us to buy their merch.

Laurinitis was better in his role as authority figure because he came off like the arrogant, pompous, clueless (People Power!) upper middle management boss we have all probably dealt with at some point.

HHH waffles between heel and face mid show on almost every show. Why will he bury Daniel Bryan, then turn around and stick it to Paul Heyman?? Hell, on any given week he may or may not support Randy Orton. I just don't get it.

[Anybody Thrilla]

I think that Triple H definitely has ulterior motives, but he has to act "normal" enough so that the Board of Directors doesn't accuse him of abusing his power. That's why his actions may appear inconsistent. [/kayfabe]

[Bad News Gertner]

He's boring, slept his way to his spot, shoved down our throats, clings on to more successful wrestlers to try and make himself seem more important, ugly.

[James Steele]

...still needing actual evidence of these claims.

[Bad News Gertner]

Watch any WWE show between 2002 and now.

[Shadrick]

Because I can't be him.

[My Final Heaven]

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[My Final Heaven]

Arguing with JamesSteele over HHH is like arguing with Kane Knight over... anything.

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You're not actaully dealing with a real person with a real opinion, but with a gimmick/character. JS= "Facetious Hunter Hearst Helmsley Fan" as opposed to "Organism that gains sustenance through engaging in conflict on internet message boards".

[MoFo]

Was really looking forward to him vs Lesnar and it ended up being rly shit.

Also he hangs around with cunts like Bieber and Mayweather.

[James Steele]

I am a very real Triple H fan.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

I am a very real Triple H fan.

For such a great HHH fan you don't do a great job arguing his case. Whining and crying like a baby any time someone says something negative about him is absolutely the dumbest, most irritating way you can go about things. You aren't even a real person to be honest, I don't know what the hell you are.


And HHH sucks because he is decent, but incredibly boring a lot of the time.

[KIRA]

A glorifed third wheel to actual great wrestlers who was booked as an unstoppable nightmare in 2002,He didn't bring any prestige to the belt he was FUCKING HANDED,buried deserving talent (Booker T, Jericho) Sucked the fun right out of wrestling for a long time with his show opening 40 min monologues.No one considers him great (see recent Night of Champions poll)



Evidence:2002

[Vastardikai]

Why do I hate Triple H?

Because you touch yourself at night. :shifty:

[Heisenberg]

If I had to hate him for something, it would be for being too damn good at being a heel and marrying Steph. 2000 me dreamt of living that fantasy

[Poit]

...still needing actual evidence of these claims.

What level of evidence do you need? "Triple H did this"? 'Triple H did this on this episode"? "Triple H did this on this episode, and here's video proof"?

Please place the goalposts before you ask people to reach them.

[Volare]

Because he bangs Stephanie McMahon!

[Heisenberg]

Because he bangs Stephanie McMahon!

If only there was evidence to this, they need to hurry with that

[Jordan]

There was a time when I really wasn't into Triple H. That would be his first title run, and the McMahon/Helmsley story. Every Raw opening with a 10 minute Triple H review of the previous week, yelling like a spartan for no reason.... that sucked.

But he still had great matches. And going back to his first TV matches I remember thinking that he was an awesome wrestler and should be in the ring with Bret and Shawn. His style changed when his leg ripped in half, and it took him a couple of years to have the ability to a minimal amount of work and tell a great story to the point you don't notice his limitations. But then he reached that, and got better as years go on.

He's not done by a long shot and has had some of the best Wrestlemania matches ever...

Taker 1,2 and 3
HBK/Benoit/HHH Triple Threat

I remember at the time his matches with Booker T and John Cena stuck out to me as really great matches as well.

Anyway, I think if you really hate Triple H your just hanging onto some shit from the past. He's the best guy to run the company in the future, that I can tell, and he's still money in the ring.

[Juan]

I don't hate Triple H, I just think he's incredibly overrated by WWE

[The Rogerer]

I look at it as: with so much back slapping and overexposure, what does he do to win people over again?

[GD]

I disliked Triple H when he reigned supreme on Monday Night RAW as the real World's Heavyweight Champion. Just like many internet fans, I do not appreciate the fact that he likes to bury talent. To be fair, I don't know if that is true. Other than that, I did not enjoy most of his goofy antics during the last two DX runs.

I extremely dislike his new propaganda DVD set. It makes me cringe. I must also add that I don't judge him based on his association with the McMahons.

[Impeccable]

I am a Triple H mark. His mid to late '99 run as a heel, being the game, being that damn good. Making it his time. I bought all his merchandise, and during that period, he didn't seem to have a bad match.

People talk about him "burying" talent. They throw up Steiner and booker, but is that Triple H that was burying them, or the writing at that point?

Look at Rikishi. I remember a Smackdown in late '99/early 2000 with a ballot where one guy in the back got a shot at the Game. Rikishi's name was drawn and everyone in the locker room chanted "Ri-Ki-Shi, Ri-Ki-Shi". Yes, Triple H got the win, but made Rikishi a star in the process.

Same with Benoit in a match on Smackdown. Triple H made him look like a legit threat and that he belonged in the WWE.

He put over Shelton Benjamin and made him look like a million bucks on Raw.

The problems people have with Hunter probably aren't/weren't actually Hunter's fault.

[Ultra Mantis]

As much as he says he loves the business, you can tell he's more in love with himself. He is made head of creative and the very next Raw ends with him standing tall over the WWE Champion.

[Swiss Ultimate]

I only hated him when he was feuding with Foley and that had nothing to do with him as a person or a performer and instead my unrealistic desire to see Foley hold the title for a straight year.

[Tom Guycott]

Aside from the things pointed out above (in-your-face overexposure being chief among them) I mentioned before that he's a mediocre* talent who made the utmost out of every opportunity he was given. He had a money look, competent and well-rounded in the ring enough to work with just about anybody, and could promo... but there were always guys around hime who could do any of those things better than him at any given time. Not saying he is where he is SOLELY because he pal'd around with Shawn, sleeps with Steph, and was backed by the machine because of nepotism, but it had a huge impact on his career.

If he went a different way- that is to say, if he drew a different lot of friends breaking in and coming up- he would have been one of those "looks the shit", by-the-numbers prototypical wrestler that WWE would have looked at and thought he could simply get over on looks alone, and then when he didn't, they write him off as a lost cause and release him, where he would have returned to WCW and bounced up and down the card on the whim of whoever was in charge of the company that month. At best, unless he lucked into something that would have been his "Austin 3:16" moment, he would have been a decent upper midcard talent being pushed and depushed on a whim. His injuries would have had him slide farther down the totem pole.

With that being said, however, one thing that is CONSTANTLY said about him is that he's "a student of the game" and "has a great mind for the business", etc., etc. He strikes me as one of those guys who, even though he was realistically not the megastar he's made out to be, he knows his shit behind the scenes. Maybe he's like one of those career 2nd string QBs who goes on to become a winning head coach. Maybe he's applying that to being COO (the actual positon, not the TV kayfabe).

*WWE wise, I mean. Isn't really a bad thing to be so-so in the major leagues.

[XL]

Cos he has a big nose.

[KIRA]

So does Steele plan on a rebuttal

[Anybody Thrilla]

Obviously not. You didn't come here for that, did you?

[KIRA]

Well I'm curious to see If he'll try(if he even can) defend his lady's honor.

[James Steele]

Basically, you all are offended Triple H is treated as a "big deal" despite him actually being a big deal. The only arguments are "BOO HOO HHH BEAT MY FAV RASSLER! HE ISN'T AS GOOD AS HBK OR AS OVER AS AUSTIN OR HOGAN! HE MUST SUCK!!1" Horseshit. Triple H isn't the greatest in the ring nor is he the biggest star ever, but he has consistently been over as both a heel and as a face for over a decade. He was established before his relationship with Stephanie, and obviously his relationship has led to his current position, but to act like Triple H is a glorified midcarder who slept his way to the top is absolute horseshit. You can't deny that Triple H is damn good in the ring, that he is damn good on the mic, and pretty damn popular. Yes, he isn't the absolute best at anything but he is truly really good at every aspect of the business which is why he has been able to be on top for over a decade and be in a position of major influence over wrestling.

[whiteyford]

I think the Cornette assessment, that if the WWE were a movie he'd play the leads best friend rather than the lead, is pretty apt. He's above average in pretty much everything but still seems to lack that something extra. He is constantly over though, he knows when to take time off to keep himself fresh for the most part, I wouldn't build a company around him but I'd utilize him as the 2nd tier star as either a heel or face.

[James Steele]

Which is what WWE has done. When has Triple H ever been the #1 guy in WWE?

99-2001: Rock and Austin were the top guys. Triple H was the #1 foil though.
Early 2002: Triple H was the top guy because he was white hot on his return, but Rock returning and the return of Hogan took over.
mid 2002- late 2003: Triple H was the top guy when he returned, but he soon turned heel and Brock/Angle were the top guys for the bulk of this period once Rock/Hogan left again.
2004: Guerrero/Benoit were "the man". HHH then was built up to help make Batista once WWE found out Orton wasn't ready to be the top guy.
2005-2010: Cena/Batista took the torch. Hell, HHH was usually on the undercard with DX or feuding with Sheamus or Jeff Hardy.
2011-now: Cena/Punk are the top guys.

I don't think Triple H ever was "shoved down our throats" as the top guy. He was always pushed a damn good wrestler, but only was the #1 face for the first half of 2002. Other than that he was pushed as the #1 heel who needed help from stables, weapons, etc. He was to be taken seriously, but he wasn't the unstoppable god of wrestling. He has helped make Benoit, Sheamus, Batista, Cena, Hardy, etc. all long-term top guys. Besides Flair, what main event guy has helped make as many guys as HHH?

Is WWE really all that wrong for trusting Triple H to steady the ship when Austin got hurt, Rock went to Hollywood, the brand split started and SmackDown! had the bulk of the stars, Brock left, Orton showed what an immature dickback he was, and to help SmackDown! when RAW boned them in the draft and needed to make new stars? Booker T at WMXIX is the only questionable decision during "HHH-palooza" and I don't think that was HHH's call. RVD was hot, but you don't put the belt on a guy who shits on the company and openly breaks the law. Steiner and Nash weren't going to get the belt, but they needed to be established as big deals in the WWE. HHH/Goldberg was a big deal and made Goldberg look like a fucking beast despite him being a horrible 1 trick pony.

[KIRA]

*claps* I still say the less Triple H(On television anyway) the better but still bravo James.

[Bad News Gertner]

HHH is basically an opening match guy who boned the bosses daughter.

[Crimson]

I think he is one of the best heels of all time

[Swiss Ultimate]

Basically, you all are offended Triple H is treated as a "big deal" despite him actually being a big deal. The only arguments are "BOO HOO HHH BEAT MY FAV RASSLER! HE ISN'T AS GOOD AS HBK OR AS OVER AS AUSTIN OR HOGAN! HE MUST SUCK!!1" Horseshit. Triple H isn't the greatest in the ring nor is he the biggest star ever, but he has consistently been over as both a heel and as a face for over a decade. He was established before his relationship with Stephanie, and obviously his relationship has led to his current position, but to act like Triple H is a glorified midcarder who slept his way to the top is absolute horseshit. You can't deny that Triple H is damn good in the ring, that he is damn good on the mic, and pretty damn popular. Yes, he isn't the absolute best at anything but he is truly really good at every aspect of the business which is why he has been able to be on top for over a decade and be in a position of major influence over wrestling.

Agree with this. I don't hate him anymore, but yeah, I definitely didn't enjoy him going over Foley as he did. Of course, Foley wanted it that way.

[Frank Drebin]

HHH is basically an opening match guy who boned the bosses daughter.

Brings new meaning to the term "curtain jerker"

[The Rogerer]

When has Triple H ever been the #1 guy in WWE?In screentime

[RaginRonic]

My reason for not liking Triple H much, is the fact that he used Owen Hart's death as a means to get himself over with management, and bag the WWF Championship in the fallout(literally) of Owen's accident.

After the Montreal Screwjob, that caused the end of the WWF careers of Bret, Davey Boy, and Neidhart, H isolated Owen politically, made Owen his backstage punching bag, and made Owen pay the price for the fact that Bret said 'no' to Shawn before the Screwjob.

And to those who think that Owen would have become 'The Game'? That was only ever meant for Triple H. No one else. And WWE created that lie to gain sympathy from Canada's wrestling fans, most of whom were Bret's fans, not Shawn's or H's.

And if Jimmy Steele took off his emerald green glasses for a few minutes, he'd see that's what REALLY happened.

Oh, and Jimmy, while I do read your replies to me about H, I really couldn't care less in any event.

So, please, spew your bias to me, Jimmy, cause I don't give a fuck in the end.

Oh....my 200th post. =)

[CSL]

Dave Meltzer ladies and gents

[James Steele]

My reason for not liking Triple H much, is the fact that he used Owen Hart's death as a means to get himself over with management, and bag the WWF Championship in the fallout(literally) of Owen's accident.

After the Montreal Screwjob, that caused the end of the WWF careers of Bret, Davey Boy, and Neidhart, H isolated Owen politically, made Owen his backstage punching bag, and made Owen pay the price for the fact that Bret said 'no' to Shawn before the Screwjob.

And to those who think that Owen would have become 'The Game'? That was only ever meant for Triple H. No one else. And WWE created that lie to gain sympathy from Canada's wrestling fans, most of whom were Bret's fans, not Shawn's or H's.

And if Jimmy Steele took off his emerald green glasses for a few minutes, he'd see that's what REALLY happened.

Oh, and Jimmy, while I do read your replies to me about H, I really couldn't care less in any event.

So, please, spew your bias to me, Jimmy, cause I don't give a fuck in the end.

Oh....my 200th post. =)

You give enough of a fuck to reply in a psuedo-witty fashion. Also, please remove your tinfoil hat.

[James Steele]

The Montreal Screwjob didn't end the careers of Bret, Davey, and Neidhardt. They chose to leave, and all 3 ended up making a return to WWF/WWE at some point.

[Purgatory]

He's got a snozz the size of Rhode Island.

Don't hate him for this, but it's true.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I don't hate Triple H, but I wouldn't say he's one of my favorite performers. If he was a movie star, he'd be like Bruce Willis -- technically good at what he does and really successful at it, but I don't really want to see another Die Hard. I do get excited about the idea of Triple H interacting in fresh scenarios. Triple H vs. Daniel Bryan, for example, is a match that I'd actually want to see.

I got a bit sour on him during his "I dominate RAW" run with the World Heavyweight Title. Just because it was boring. I understand why they did it -- a lot of top stars had left/were leaving and they had just created this new championship and probably wanted to give it a fair bit of stability. Plus, WrestleMania XIX was their first Mania with the brand split in place. They were doing the title change in the "true main event" between Brock Lesnar and Kurt Angle, so they probably got a bit suspicious that two World Title changes would be a bit much. For balance they probably chose to put Hunter over Booker because Booker winning would have been less of a "capper" to the evening. But it really made Booker look bad. That Pedigree that put Booker down for like twenty seconds before a cover was even made, leading to people expecting the kick-out only for Booker to just lie their like a rag-doll? That was a bit much.

On a personal level, I have never forgotten that moment where Triple H Pedigree'd both Paul London & Brian Kendrick as they just stood around like goofs waiting for it, and for no good character reason. I got all excited about the possibility that we'd get Edge, Lance Cade & Trevor Murdoch (or whoever the heels were at the time) vs. Triple H, Paul London & Brian Kendrick. I thought that the younger guys would get such a rub from being in there with the older guys. Then any face momentum they had was squished. It's not like Triple H had a problem working with Brian Kendrick, though -- he made both Kendrick and Ezekiel Jackson look great during his SmackDown stint.

There just seem to be a lot of "misjudgments" when it comes to Triple H and his creative direction. Triple H has wrestled The Undertaker at WrestleMania more times than either Kane or Shawn Michaels, for example. They also seemed to try and make The Summer of Punk angle about Triple H too, where a heel turn for The Game would have been absolutely perfect. We got it with Daniel Bryan eventually, but that's two years of face H later.

That being said, I think he really gets the business and is a big reason NXT is so fucking awesome. The more Triple H takes himself out of things, though, the better the product he is influencing will get. His promo to open up NXT 200 was probably the promo I most enjoyed out of Triple H recently, probably partially because he was hyping up everything around him.

[Savio]

Because he wanted a win over Brock lesnar at Wrestlemania 29 and that was not good for business.

[Bad News Gertner]

The Montreal Screwjob didn't end the careers of Bret, Davey, and Neidhardt. They chose to leave, and all 3 ended up making a return to WWF/WWE at some point.

I'm afraid ronic got the upperhand in this exchange. HHH killed Jim the Anvil Neidhart's career and is responsible for his drug addiction.

[CSL]

Triple H is also responsible for Bruiser Brody's death

[CSL]

and 9/11

[DaveBrawl]

Hold up why are we letting Noid slip by with his Die Hard bashing?

[Mr. Nerfect]

Hold up why are we letting Noid slip by with his Die Hard bashing?

Not bashing the greatness of Die Hard. I just don't really want to see Die Hard 8.

[ace3025]

Triple H is the reason the WWE is in the sad state it is. Not because he is terrible or doesn't have a clue, but because Triple H is where he is because he took advantage of people/opportunities, not because he is a great star. HHH was always just there. Always near the spotlight, but it wasn't fully on him, and he excelled there. Once the spotlight moved to him,out of necessity, we all saw how boring he is, and RAW has never been the same.

Now, as head of creative, HHH (a semi retired, future owner) gets a match or program with everyone that is extremely over at the moment, and always gets the upper hand. CM Punk, as soon as he got hot HHH booked himself in a match, and beat him, and shifted the focus to himself and Nash. Daniel Bryan, gets over in a big way, HHH steals his title and stands over him to close out the next four weeks of both Raw and Smackdown. Lesnar, big deal bringing him back, could've used him make several future stars.....fights HHH, twice.

The point is, HHH never broke through, and as a result the current roster is written and scripted to build the stars by a man who doesn't know how to do that. There is now a glass ceiling that a wrestler hits, and because everyone else is stuk at te same point, no one ever really breaks through. HHH is in the best pot to help get others to the next level, but he thinks they can only do that against a big name like himself, but he's not willing to lose in order to get them tree. It's like he thinks "I got over and I lost a lot, if they're that good the loss to me wont matter"

Idk, he can't make future stars, because he never got himself to that level without massive help from his friends and in-laws.

[Curtis]

Discuss your reasons for hating Triple H and then provide evidence to backup your reasons for being a vile and spiteful human being.

I hate Triple H for being a more succesful homo-sapien than me. I work a cash register at the supermarket while The Game travels the world, has sex with a hot chick turned hot woman and runs a multi trillion dollar company.
The only thing I am not jealous of is that Triple H had to do Chyna first, but I guess that's like walking on hot coals to be a tougher human being.

[el bobbo]

Lesnar, big deal bringing him back, could've used him make several future stars.....fights HHH, twice.


Thrice.

[Sexton-Hardcastle]

I don't hate him... He's OK... He gets a lot of shit from internet fans for stuff creative did with him in 2002 but Creative didn't give him that fucking HUGE pop on his return....Had that been anyone else I'd like to think Creative would have adjusted future booking accordingly..

He's done a lot of good and a minimal amount of bad. I'd like him to take a step back now from being as active a part of future storylines so more focus can be placed on New Stars...I hope he has the decency in the next couple of years to let a new guy 'retire' him and stick to his word, as Shawn has thus far.

It's time now for WWE to make new stars again and He can play a momentous part in that.

[Bobo]

If I were to echo my sentiments about Levesque as I did in the other thread I'd have a bunch of twats trying to beat me down. So much for debating rationally.

[James Steele]

Ok. Fuck off and die then.

[Bobo]

Ok. Fuck off and die then.

Why don't you go fuck yourself you stupid cunt.

[James Steele]

My dick is big enough to.

[James Steele]

#Maybe

[Bobo]

My dick is big enough to.

The one on your forehead doesn't count.

[James Steele]

LOLOLOLOL

You are one funny bloke.

[Bobo]

LOLOLOLOL

You are one funny bloke.

So is your mother

[Bad News Gertner]

I gotta throw in the towel here. Bobo wins by ref stoppage.

[James Steele]

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[Bobo]

Ding dong the witch is dead

[James Steele]

Still alive. We'll book the rematch for September.

[Bobo]

Still alive. We'll book the rematch for September.

How about right now bitch

[James Steele]

Got to train, pray, take my vitamins, and dream big.

[Bobo]

Stop being gay and fight.

[James Steele]

I'm a pacifist.

[James Steele]

http://classroomtalk.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/bobo.jpg

[#1-norm-fan]

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[Impeccable]

If you don't like Triple H, then well, you just don't like fun.

[James Steele]

If you don't like Triple H, then well, you just don't like fun.

Going in my sig.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Triple H is the reason the WWE is in the sad state it is. Not because he is terrible or doesn't have a clue, but because Triple H is where he is because he took advantage of people/opportunities, not because he is a great star. HHH was always just there. Always near the spotlight, but it wasn't fully on him, and he excelled there. Once the spotlight moved to him,out of necessity, we all saw how boring he is, and RAW has never been the same.

Now, as head of creative, HHH (a semi retired, future owner) gets a match or program with everyone that is extremely over at the moment, and always gets the upper hand. CM Punk, as soon as he got hot HHH booked himself in a match, and beat him, and shifted the focus to himself and Nash. Daniel Bryan, gets over in a big way, HHH steals his title and stands over him to close out the next four weeks of both Raw and Smackdown. Lesnar, big deal bringing him back, could've used him make several future stars.....fights HHH, twice.

The point is, HHH never broke through, and as a result the current roster is written and scripted to build the stars by a man who doesn't know how to do that. There is now a glass ceiling that a wrestler hits, and because everyone else is stuk at te same point, no one ever really breaks through. HHH is in the best pot to help get others to the next level, but he thinks they can only do that against a big name like himself, but he's not willing to lose in order to get them tree. It's like he thinks "I got over and I lost a lot, if they're that good the loss to me wont matter"

Idk, he can't make future stars, because he never got himself to that level without massive help from his friends and in-laws.

Pretty much this, was actually having this convo the other days with a couple of aspiring pro wrasslers. The guy isn't bad at all, he's very very good, he's just MEH and he's always there hogging the spotlight when new, fresh, awesome things can be happening.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Well he's the not THE reason but he certainly doesn't help. Whenever someone is getting next levels hot, he seems to be in the right place at the right time to de-rail it and let everyone know that guy isn't on his level.

[#1-norm-fan]

I think James Steele created Bobo as a sock to get everyone to defend Triple H even if they don't care for him. And it's worked.

[Bobo]

Fuck James Steele

[James Steele]

You wish.

[James Steele]

:naughty:

I'll Elton John your ass, bitch.