When has nerd rage been justified?

[Swiss Ultimate]

Been thinking about this for a few weeks. How often has outrage due to actor or style choice for a film been proven to at least be partly correct?

I seem to recall people grumbling about Spider-Man 3 and the guy from That 70s Show being cast as Venom.

Was there outrage at Ben Affleck being Daredevil or Nicholas Cage being Ghost Rider? I don't want to limit this to just movies, I'm sure video-games have a ton of instances where nerd-rage, if properly respected would have led production companies from disastrous choices.

Go.

[Kalyx triaD]

Almost never, in fact they miss the mark so often it's a wonder people still jump the gun over news and rumors.

[Swiss Ultimate]

There goes that cracked.com article I was going to write.

[Fignuts]

Dragonball Z Evolution

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Spiderman 3 was ruined by Topher Grace. Horrible example. It was justifiable anger. It might be the only time they didn't over-react. They probably could have been allowed to be angrier.

[whiteyford]

In fairness Tobey McGuire's song and dance routine wasn't exactly a high point in the franchise either.

[CSL]

never really cared too much about most things that would maybe "attract" such a thing but I was a bit "oh that's unfortunate" about the Max Payne film, it was the one thing I really wanted to see adapted for a long time

[The Rogerer]

Star Wars Prequels/remasters? I don't hate the really stupid changes now, I like to think of them as a monument to malicious stupidity.

[dronepool]

Nerd rage is hilarious.

[Rammsteinmad]

I stopped jumping to conclusions after Heath Ledger played the Joker.

[Emperor Smeat]

Dragonball Z Evolution

[Kalyx triaD]

DBE is a case where we all saw ugly coming, much like DmC, but for the most part there's been more lessons on holding off judgement than not.

[Corporate CockSnogger]

Isn't that the whole point of this thread?

[McLegend]

Any nerd rage over the Star Wars Episodes I, II, and III was totally justified.

[Swiss Ultimate]

The thing is, I don't recall any nerd rage prior to the films. I was younger and the internet was quieter back then admittedly.

How many times did the "nerds" scream out warnings that turned out legitimate?

I can think of plenty of instances where they were just wrong or being jerks for no reason, but not too many times where they either saved the day or turned out to be right.

[Kalyx triaD]

People were fairly hype during the Star Wars prequel releases before the bashing began after the fact. I think DttS is focusing on nerd rage to turned out to hold true. And I'm sure it has happened, but not nearly enough to validate 'default nerd rage'. Every sci-fi/fantasy/comic movie news, from directing to writing, is met with venom first and foremost. Raging is the thing to do right off the bat, and it's almost always proved wrong after the fact. The Heath Ledger example is the best and most clear case of this.

[parkmania]

Street Fighter: The Legend of Chun-Li

[Swiss Ultimate]

Really? I mean, did you hear people actually complaining about that beforehand?

Kal gets what I'm saying perfectly. I even agree with his assessment that nerd rage by and by is almost wholly unjustified.

To qualify as a moment when nerd rage was completely justified you first need a beloved franchise like Avengers, Superman, Spiderman etc. and then the nerds must rage against a specific idea in the film or video-game that totally ends up ruining the whole project.

I did just think of one example that could have been a good thing brought on by nerd rage and that was the anger expressed toward Michael Bay for announcing he was turning the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles into aliens. Nerd rage led to drastic revision of his initial plan and I would like to count that as a partial victory.

A total victory would have Michael Bay not directing or producing a TMNT movie, but if Nerds can't get Ben Affleck off of the upcoming Superman film I doubt they have enough power to unseat a director.

[parkmania]

Actually I did, Swiss. Of course, that was when I owned a comic book store.

[Emperor Smeat]

Catwoman film with Halle Berry?

[Swiss Ultimate]

Actually I did, Swiss. Of course, that was when I owned a comic book store.

That's awesome, what happened to it?

[Swiss Ultimate]

Catwoman film with Halle Berry?

Was that Catwoman even based in Gotham?

[Kris P Lettus]

anyone who has a problem with halle berry crawling around in black spandex should be punched in the testicles

[Kalyx triaD]

Because that's what good movies are made of.

[Swiss Ultimate]

anyone who has a problem with halle berry crawling around in black spandex should be punched in the testicles

You have an imagination and films where she's been nude or getting railed by Billy Bob Thornton. I don't think anyone needed the disaster that is Catwoman.

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[Swiss Ultimate]

Oddly enough that actually works as a really messed up episode of Law and Order: SVU

[parkmania]

That's awesome, what happened to it?

Closed it after an armed robbery attempt. The day after it happened my wife tried to call my cell while I was talking to a customer and didn't answer. She thought the robbers had come back to finish the job.

[Kris P Lettus]

You have an imagination and films where she's been nude or getting railed by Billy Bob Thornton. I don't think anyone needed the disaster that is Catwoman.

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[Swiss Ultimate]

Corny, but at least it looked like he was actually trying to score points.

[Swiss Ultimate]

Looking forward to Escape from Detroit.

[Swiss Ultimate]

Closed it after an armed robbery attempt. The day after it happened my wife tried to call my cell while I was talking to a customer and didn't answer. She thought the robbers had come back to finish the job.

That's shit, man. I understand though. What do you do these days?

[slik]

I'm not sure if Catwoman, Fantastic Four or Ghost Rider is the worst superhero film.

Definitely has to be between those three though.

[Swiss Ultimate]

Hated Daredevil, Elektra and couldn't get passed the Green Lantern trailer.

[slik]

Nerd rage is hilarious.

What if they cast Bradley Cooper as Alice Cooper in a biopic?

[slik]

Yeah, DareDevil and Green Lantern are bad too.

[Mercenary]

Yeah, DareDevil and Green Lantern are bad too.

X-men 3 was horrid

[Kalyx triaD]

Nerd rage is not so much hilarious as it is stupid to me.

[Frank Drebin]

Man of Steel sucked

[DaveBrawl]

Blasphemy

[Swiss Ultimate]

Nerd rage is not so much hilarious as it is stupid to me.

I have never had a problem avoiding a film or deciding it's not canon if I don't like it.

I decided to disregard the Matrix sequels because the first film works best as a stand-alone film.

[Kalyx triaD]

I tend to respect canon no matter the quality, because world building supersedes singular quality in my eyes. So an unworthy sequel I usually let slide so long as I'm seeing my fave characters 'live on' in a sense.

In regard to reboots, I also have no issue ignoring something below par or off the mark of the past movie - because the past movie will always exist. I like the Stephen Sommers Mummy movies, and for the sake of continuity I tolerated the third one that didn't involve him. Now they're busy rebooting it and I don't really see a need to, so I'll not watch it. And on the chance that it's actually as fun as the first two, fine; I'll dive in.

*I have bigger problems when certain videogame franchises are rebooted since they don't have the same limitations that force movies to reboot. Splinter Cell's Micheal Ironside, for instance, has no reason not to portray Sam Fisher for another generation of games. The DmC situation was also horrible, since they rebooted off a successful prequel utterly nonsensically. MGSV is easier to swallow, since aside from a major casting switch, the game seems like a solid progression of MGS gameplay.

This is why I'm so whatever about movie reboots and sequels/prequels because it's win-win really. Videogames exist to deliver me a gameplay experience, so sudden change-ups in presentation and gameplay arise my ire much easier.

*I felt the need to address the videogame part of this to curb the inevitable 'Kalyx nerd rages about games' discredit, which somebody was certainly about to do.

[Swiss Ultimate]

I don't spend much time in that forum, but I could have sworn you only bitch about games you've already played. Is this a stereotype of you?

[Kalyx triaD]

There's a few misconceptions about me mostly from people who don't frequent the VG forums, or at best never interacted with me in a videogame. There were some guys who swore I was some kind of super-asshole to game with until they actually met me online, which is good in that I could crush some misconceptions.

There are stereotypes and 'memes' concerning me time to time so I learned to see a certain argument coming. I either intercept it or chastise the guy using an outdated joke or whatever. "Kalyx jacks off to Chun Li," and shit like that.

[Swiss Ultimate]

Seriously though, look at the way she moves her legs.

[Kalyx triaD]

What way? They're lightning fast and may likely break me in half. Pain isn't sexy.

Her common depiction of massive thighs is sexy per se, but the Japanese never really glorified that kind of thing so it's probably her signature body image rather than 'give Chun a booty'. It's hard for me to consider her sexy. Cammy's hot, though.

Never got overly aroused by drawn or polygonal characters enough to work it to them. Just not wired that way. I remember a guy here who really liked ponies, though.

[dronepool]

What if they cast Bradley Cooper as Alice Cooper in a biopic?

I have no idea who Bradley Cooper is, so I have nothing to say about him; I like Alice Cooper but I'm not a huge fan.

[DaveBrawl]

Pain isn't sexy.

Says you.

[Swiss Ultimate]

What Dave said.

[Sixx]

never really cared too much about most things that would maybe "attract" such a thing but I was a bit "oh that's unfortunate" about the Max Payne film, it was the one thing I really wanted to see adapted for a long time

There were tits in this movie.

I don't really remember anything else about it.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Mass Effect 3. We got a better ending out of it and it was funny as hell.

[Tom Guycott]

When has nerd rage been justifed?

When life in the vault is about to change.



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[Lock Jaw]

Pretty much all nerd rage about the DC Comics reboot is correct.

[Kalyx triaD]

True.

[Fignuts]

I think you really need to define what nerd rage is. At what point does being upset about something become nerd rage?

[Kalyx triaD]

IMO, when it's utterly irrational and... unjustified.

I suppose the other requisite would be for the subject matter to be 'nerdy', even if the subjects are mainstream as fuck now.

[Tom Guycott]

To be fair to the subject, anytime there has been any semi-beloved franchise of gaming or science fiction of some sort, and people see the name Uwe Boll attached to it, justifiable nerd rage has ensued. There is no "wait-and-see", good faith credibility there.

[The Mask]

Terminator 3 still upsets me for a variety of reasons

[Kalyx triaD]

To be fair to the subject, anytime there has been any semi-beloved franchise of gaming or science fiction of some sort, and people see the name Uwe Boll attached to it, justifiable nerd rage has ensued. There is no "wait-and-see", good faith credibility there.

Surely exceptions must be made in the case of track record. It would not be irrational to respond negatively to the latest from a constant fuck up. See M. Night, Ninja Theory studios, and anything related to Twilight.

[Fignuts]

In Ninja Theory's defense, Enslaved was a really underrated game, and a lot of people still enjoyed DmC, even if most of the hardcore fanbase hated it.

[Kalyx triaD]

Even before the DmC joke, I found Ninja Theory extremely overrated and totally outside their medium (they belong in the film business if anything).

[Razzamajazz]

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[parkmania]

Don't seem to see it listed in this thread and I just thought of it, so I'll say that there was justification for all the TMNT fans when Michael Bay wanted to make them aliens instead of mutants. (The turtles, not the fanboys.)

[Kalyx triaD]

He never wanted to make them aliens. The Ooze, however, may likely be alien in nature (which would change all of nothing). And how's this for a head spin: This is exactly the revised origin of the Ooze in the new cartoon show - and that show is hands down fucking awesome. Not because the Ooze is alien, but in a sense that it's a non-issue. They are still teenaged, mutant, ninja, turtles.

And in any case, Bay is not writing or directing the movie. Any ills or praise needs to stop being directed at him.

[Swiss Ultimate]

“When you see this movie, kids are going to believe, one day, that these turtles actually do exist when we are done with this movie. These turtles are from an alien race and they are going to be tough, edgy, funny and completely lovable.”

I dunno...I am totally happy either way, because this won't ruin my childhood or anything, but if I were working from a script that had the ooze with an alien origin I don't know how I could accidentally say "these turtles are from an alien race".

That said, yeah, I don't care where the ooze came from. We never really knew much about it in the first place, except that it turns people into Kevin Nash.

[Swiss Ultimate]

Speaking of Michael Bay:

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[Kalyx triaD]

You got that quote but not the one where he corrected himself?

And that teleprompter really pissed him off!

[The Rogerer]

Mass Effect 3. We got a better ending out of it and it was funny as hell.You didn't get a better ending at all. It was bloody terrible though, top to bottom.

[Kalyx triaD]

And the ME3 thing wasn't justified at all, it was bitch-made.

[Swiss Ultimate]

You got that quote but not the one where he corrected himself?

And that teleprompter really pissed him off!

I read the one where he "corrected" himself, but I don't know if I buy it. Sounds more like a script rewrite than an actual correction, but hey, that's just me.

[whiteyford]

Surely exceptions must be made in the case of track record. It would not be irrational to respond negatively to the latest from a constant fuck up. See M. Night, Ninja Theory studios, and anything related to Twilight.

Dunno, Twilight was the best vampire flick of the last ten years.

[parkmania]

Twilight - setting the vampire mythos back 500 years.

[whiteyford]

They were all broody and sparkly though. And they introduced us to the versatile acting talents of Kristen Stewart.

[Frank Drebin]

Bitch stole all of Jenna Malone's spots