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Sexton-Hardcastle
01-10-2014, 08:12 PM
Now I'm not one for watching the indy's regularly, The idea of someone getting paralysed in a 45 man arena for little or no money dosen't often appeal to me.

However, Couldn't help but be impressed by something my mate sent me today.

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Show me more stuff that these Indy Internet darlings can do...

CSL
01-10-2014, 08:19 PM
the fact that you posted nothing at all is ironically pretty spot on

Sexton-Hardcastle
01-10-2014, 08:23 PM
Sorry Dude the link was broken and I edited it out and didn't get back with the proper link before you saw it.... If the baby Jesus isn't crying he should be..

Corporate CockSnogger
01-10-2014, 08:27 PM
Well worth the extra rotation to land awkwardly and give the lad taking the move a sore set of bollocks for a few days.

Sexton-Hardcastle
01-10-2014, 08:34 PM
In the lads defence, He nailed it in the video with the broken link..

Fignuts
01-10-2014, 08:47 PM
Just saw the young bucks for the first time. Definitely spot monkeys, but REALLY good spot monkeys. Their execution is flawless, and nothing looks sloppy at all.

Noid
01-10-2014, 09:08 PM
I haven't watched much of The Young Bucks, but I've heard they are really good (like one of the best tag teams going today) and that they are the purist's spot-monkeys, and are capable of so much more. Probably just do the spots to get noticed and pump up a show.

Great wrestlers who often go for style over substance, if you will.

thecc
01-10-2014, 09:13 PM
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The Midnight Gertner
01-10-2014, 10:16 PM
It's exciting at first, but gets old fast.

Fignuts
01-10-2014, 11:09 PM
It's exciting at first, but gets old fast.

If that's all the card has, i.e. dragongate, then yeah. I think these matches are fantastic as openers.

Rammsteinmad
01-10-2014, 11:16 PM
Chuck Taylor is awesome.

Noid
01-11-2014, 12:29 AM
Kalisto is going to be a success in the WWE, or so I feel. He should have an easier time connecting to the audience than Sin Cara. I've heard Rich Swann is actually really charismatic.

Impeccable
01-11-2014, 03:31 AM
I don't see the point in flip flopping the whole match.

Give one or two spots a match and make the fans wait so that when it does happen its special. If everything is a high spot then they don't become high spots any more. How do you keep topping it?

Fignuts
01-11-2014, 03:57 AM
Triple rotation moonsault.

whiteyford
01-11-2014, 06:30 AM
I don't see the point in flip flopping the whole match.

Give one or two spots a match and make the fans wait so that when it does happen its special. If everything is a high spot then they don't become high spots any more. How do you keep topping it?

You add blood?

There are only so many flips and rotations you can do, make great opening matches like Fignuts said but eventually get meh.

Hanso Amore
01-11-2014, 08:01 AM
If that's all the card has, i.e. dragongate, then yeah. I think these matches are fantastic as openers.

Exactly. Does anyone remember how basically every show from 1996 to 1998 for WCW started with random pairings of 6 man Cruiser-weight tag matches?

They always were spot fests that would devolve into a chain of signature dives to the outside. And would usually include a Hector Garza corkscrew plancha.

Then the match would finish with a Juvi 450 Splash, Y2J Top rope Frankensteiner, or insert other spot.

They would get the fans going and the rest of the show would benefit.

Hanso Amore
01-11-2014, 08:03 AM
I would gladly watch Super Calo, Silver King and Psycosis vs Juvi, Chavo and Blitzkrieg open the show every week.

CSL
01-11-2014, 10:51 AM
If that's all the card has, i.e. dragongate, then yeah. I think these matches are fantastic as openers.

basically this. I'm not entirely against a spotfest if it's in the right spot. That said, there's never an excuse for a top rope rana being a transition into a superkick or 3 million forearms or kicking out of a springboard 1080 piledriver 4 minutes in or whatever. The WCW cruiserweights and a decent amount of TNA's X division get it right.

Innovator
01-11-2014, 10:57 AM
Young Bucks: Where a tombstone is a transition move

CSL
01-11-2014, 10:59 AM
can't stand them. They seem like nice guys and also self-aware that they do lots of indy shit/take pride in it but it's like "fuck off mate, learn to work"

CSL
01-11-2014, 11:00 AM
still, at least one of them goes to the gym now

The Midnight Gertner
01-11-2014, 11:32 AM
Takes a shotgun blast to the head and kick out at two.

Sexton-Hardcastle
01-11-2014, 01:42 PM
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Thats actually genius to be fair..

Noid
01-11-2014, 08:16 PM
I need to watch more of The Young Bucks, because I usually trust CSL's opinion, yet I've also heard that they can be absolutely brilliant.

CSL
01-11-2014, 08:22 PM
like Fignuts basically said, they're very "crisp" and the stuff they usually do looks good in terms of execution. It just comes down to what floats your boat. If you don't mind the devoid-of-psychology/MOVEZ style now and again, they're probably quite enjoyable.

Noid
01-12-2014, 01:16 AM
You alluded to their awareness earlier, but do you think it could be a choice in how they work, as opposed to not being able to?

mike adamle
01-12-2014, 09:10 AM
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CSL
01-12-2014, 11:14 AM
You alluded to their awareness earlier, but do you think it could be a choice in how they work, as opposed to not being able to?

honestly have no idea. I'd be surprised if they couldn't, maybe they do it because for the longest time they looked like complete shit appearance wise and tried to detract from that. Either way, with a shove in the right direction they could probably be really good like most guys that use or spend a lot of time around that indy style (see: Punk, Danielson, Cesaro, Rollins, Ambrose etc)

Noid
01-13-2014, 03:51 AM
I hope that they do manage to grow into substantial talents, and not just stylish ones.

The Midnight Gertner
01-13-2014, 04:48 AM
It would also help if they weren't complete douchebags.

Anybody Thrilla
01-13-2014, 11:42 AM
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OK, this is kinda awesome.

Sexton-Hardcastle
01-13-2014, 12:48 PM
Funny thing about that clip...While the flips and dives are impressive, and theres a huge amount of originality to it all...The chain stuff and the reversals stand out as the best parts.

I'd be on my feet infront of the TV if someone reversed/avoided an RKO like the guy at 2:24

Hanso Amore
01-13-2014, 01:37 PM
There was alot of good in that video. Yes the reversals are cool. Some decent stuff. Just too much in one match. And at some points there was just garbage flips that do nothing.

You could build 4 good matches out of that clip with some proper work and psychology.

Brigstocke
01-13-2014, 01:44 PM
Also, Coming clean here..

I am Sexton-Hardcastle...Couldn't remember my old log in...Have now recovered it. Danke

Anybody Thrilla
01-13-2014, 01:44 PM
Truth.

One of my biggest pet peeves in a match is wasted motion, and that's pretty much 90 percent of that.

Anybody Thrilla
01-13-2014, 01:45 PM
Also, Coming clean here..

I am Sexton-Hardcastle...Couldn't remember my old log in...Have now recovered it. Danke

http://taimapedia.org/images/thumb/7/77/It_was_me_austin.jpg/300px-It_was_me_austin.jpg

Anybody Thrilla
01-13-2014, 01:45 PM
Missed you, btw.

CSL
01-13-2014, 03:05 PM
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there's no doubt a lot of this is very impressive and quite innovative. But even half way through the video it was like "ehhh, next"

Hanso Amore
01-13-2014, 05:59 PM
I also hate when "Dive Parties" start because they spend 4-5 minutes outside the ring when countouts are in fair game

MoFo
01-14-2014, 09:04 AM
Saw someone have a Rock Bottom position on the top rope and did a backflip into teh mov3.

Might have been ex-WWE Paul Birchill iirc.

Didn't even go for a pin.

MoFo
01-14-2014, 09:06 AM
RVD/Lynn was basically spotmonkey shit and I loved it tho, I guess if you have charisma you get a free pass, doesn't interest with Trent Baretta vs Adam Edwards doing it

XL
01-14-2014, 09:40 AM
there's no doubt a lot of this is very impressive and quite innovative. But even half way through the video it was like "ehhh, next"

Pretty much.

Felt like I was watching a break dancing show. Turned it off when the guy no-sold a flurry of 20 punches and just kicked the guy in the head.

Curd
01-15-2014, 12:26 AM
You add blood?

There are only so many flips and rotations you can do, make great opening matches like Fignuts said but eventually get meh.

Yeah, Whitey's right.

CZW and a bunch of also rans (JAPW, XPW, FMW) say hello.

Rollermacka
01-15-2014, 11:52 AM
I've seen a lot of completely "unnecessary" spots at indy shows.... for no reason in particular ;) I've seen a guy around 6 ft 5 260 lbs give a guy who was also that big a Frankensteiner off the top rope. If that wasn't enough he also did a suicide dive over the top rope to the floor. That may be "noteworthy" for cruiserweights but to see a superheavyweight do those things, it was pretty impressive.

Hanso Amore
01-15-2014, 06:20 PM
260 SUPERHEAVYWEIGHT

CSL
01-16-2014, 05:16 AM
I've seen a lot of completely "unnecessary" spots at indy shows.... for no reason in particular ;) I've seen a guy around 6 ft 5 260 lbs give a guy who was also that big a Frankensteiner off the top rope. If that wasn't enough he also did a suicide dive over the top rope to the floor. That may be "noteworthy" for cruiserweights but to see a superheavyweight do those things, it was pretty impressive.

also completely shits on said cruiserweights if they're on the show doing a match with similar spots or a similar style, especially if they had to go on after

Brigstocke
01-16-2014, 08:59 AM
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1:53 :lol:

Rollermacka
01-16-2014, 02:25 PM
260 SUPERHEAVYWEIGHT

Well, for an indy guy that's considered a super heavy. I've been dieting and I'm back down to around 250 but because of my height and build I'm usually "booked" as a super heavyweight.

Hanso Amore
01-16-2014, 04:30 PM
Thats only because most indy guys are 120 pounds wearing pleather pants and kick pads.

You are a legit size. They should let you work your real size and not relative size.

Brigstocke
01-16-2014, 05:01 PM
Just seen some guy break the fuck out of some guys neck... pretty sickening....

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Last two clips in this video are properly brutal.

Fignuts
01-16-2014, 06:28 PM
Jesus, those last two.

Also, how is Sid's broken leg not on that vid?

Brigstocke
01-16-2014, 07:08 PM
That wasn't really a botch...just a freak accident.

Anybody Thrilla
01-17-2014, 02:21 AM
Fuckkkkkkkkkk, that second to last one.

dingdongyo
01-17-2014, 10:34 PM
i like stunts and acrobatics.

kinda funny how, in wrestling, the "artistry" and "psychology" are mainstream and the brainless action is indie. seems to be the exact opposite of every other entertainment medium.

Noid
01-19-2014, 10:25 PM
I must confess that I didn't get through that video that was posted earlier. Too much sizzle without the steak.

Noid
01-19-2014, 10:29 PM
Saw someone have a Rock Bottom position on the top rope and did a backflip into teh mov3.

Might have been ex-WWE Paul Birchill iirc.

Didn't even go for a pin.

Paul Burchill used to do a standing version called The C4. While he was a pirate it was called Walk the Plank. I don't know why they stopped with that gimmick. Burchill would have gotten mad over eventually. John Morrison also did a standing version for a while.

Sin Cara (the Mistico one) also used to do a top rope version of that. The SATs used to do a double-team version called The Spanish Fly. I don't mind a move like that every once in a while, but from a kayfabe perspective, the risk is too much to allow your opponent to get in that position too often.

The Midnight Gertner
01-20-2014, 01:30 AM
And it's ridiculously fake looking.

The Midnight Gertner
01-20-2014, 01:31 AM
Paul Burchill used to do a standing version called The C4. While he was a pirate it was called Walk the Plank. I don't know why they stopped with that gimmick. Burchill would have gotten mad over eventually. John Morrison also did a standing version for a while.

Sin Cara (the Mistico one) also used to do a top rope version of that. The SATs used to do a double-team version called The Spanish Fly. I don't mind a move like that every once in a while, but from a kayfabe perspective, the risk is too much to allow your opponent to get in that position too often.

Burchill did it to Regal a couple times and both time Regal looked like he was within an inch of breaking his neck.