Terms the IWC has no clue how to use

[Destor]

I'll start with the worst offender: Burried

If someone is burried they are used in such a way that they are dead. PERMANENTLY. They will never be able to make money again. Being used to get someone over =/= burial. Being in a midcard program =/= burial.

[Bad News Gertner]

X Pac heat. If a heel gets over that the IWC doesn'twant to get over (Vickie Guerrero when she started) then they have X Pac heat

[drave]

No one uses "BAH GAWD", "SLOBBERKNOCKER, 'BARN BURNER" or "HELL, FIRE & BRIMSTONE" the correct way either.

[Razzamajazz]

workrate

[What Would Kevin Do?]

This is also the fault of the independents, but "strong style."

Typically refers to the NJPW style incorporating far more strikes and submissions into the style.

However, a ton of people associate it with the indy head dropping, trying to one up each other with big moves, and really just beating the crap out of each other. In reality, that is just a bastardization of the old AJPW King's Road style.

[Destor]

This is also the fault of the independents, but "strong style."

Typically refers to the NJPW style incorporating far more strikes and submissions into the style.

However, a ton of people associate it with the indy head dropping, trying to one up each other with big moves, and really just beating the crap out of each other. In reality, that is just a bastardization of the old AJPW King's Road style.
King's road had amazing spot progressions that built up over years and years of return matches too though.

[What Would Kevin Do?]

Also Destor, who do you think has actually been buried on a big league level? The only one that even remotely comes to mind is MAYBE Jarrett before he left for WCW when he fought Chyna, but even that was putting someone over. But that is based on how I perceived the match at the time, and I haven't seen it since it aired.

[What Would Kevin Do?]

King's road had amazing spot progressions that built up over years and years of return matches too though.

Exactly. The problem is, King's Road seemed to have that progression build over time, where on the indy scene it seems like every other week they are trying to top themselves, which leads to one month into the feud people kicking out of enhanced finishers, instead of actually focusing on showing progression in the core of the match, instead of just the ending. See also: Dragon Gate

* Note, I am unfairly stereotyping indy, not everyone is guilty of this.

[Destor]

Also Destor, who do you think has actually been buried on a big league level? The only one that even remotely comes to mind is MAYBE Jarrett before he left for WCW when he fought Chyna, but even that was putting someone over. But that is based on how I perceived the match at the time, and I haven't seen it since it aired.
Well the intent is just as important as the success. For example the Polka Dot gimmick they gave Dusty Rhoads for example. They were trying to kill him, he made it into money because he's one of the greatest of all time.

Natayla being Khali's GF springs to mind as a recent succesful burial.

[Destor]

with today's short term memory im not sure if a burial is completely possible anymore however

[Destor]

want to clarify about Nattie: Her only ability to generate money is by being "the girl who can wrestle." By trivializing her role they've reduced (or eliminated) her ability to be taken seriously. There's also the fart gimmick and the fat gimmick. she has repeatedly been burried harder than anyone in recent years, or at least as far as I can recall.

[Volare]

Could Drew McIntyre be a case?

[drave]

Could Drew McIntyre be a case?

Can you be buried when you haven't properly been elevated?

I only say that because I don't feel he had enough exposure outside of the brief "Chosen One" character, which fell flat.

Being put with 3MB never do do anything else though, is somewhat of a burial I would say.

[Bad News Gertner]

Drew was never good to begin with. Go watch some of his pre 3MB matches. They were boring as fuck.

[Volare]

When Drew was being made to get over vs Morrison I wanted to get behind drew....mainly cause of the Future Shock DDT. After that he was bullying Teddy Long annnd......yeah.

[Bad News Gertner]

His theme kicked ass and I love the FutureShock, but his in ring work was bland

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

I'd say they buried mvp pretty good.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

and Nick Dinsmore :(

[Vastardikai]

At least he can now dance with the Easter Bunny and the other morons for now.

[Destor]

Can you be buried when you haven't properly been elevated?
I would say you can yes. Though I still think you could make money with him.

[Savio]

with today's short term memory im not sure if a burial is completely possible anymore however
Kaval

[Maluco]

What about chavito for buried? I know a lot aren't his biggest fans, but he had a lot going for him. Respected wrestling family, quite a lot of charisma, a good hand in ring, but the tail end of his WWE run was brutal and it would take a lot now for him to be taken seriously at any title level.

Doubt he would make money for anyone now, but I really think he could have done under different circumstances.

[Bad News Gertner]

Really felt bad for a guy who would take one bump a night from a midget while getting paid $100,000 a year downside. Poor guy. I'm sure he was.crying all.the way.to the bank.

[Maluco]

Really felt bad for a guy who would take one bump a night from a midget while getting paid $100,000 a year downside. Poor guy. I'm sure he was.crying all.the way.to the bank.

Might have been great work with nice pay but probably didn't do his career any favours. There was never any payoff either. Can still be buried while making money

Am sure dusty was getting enough from wwe while they tried, unsuccessfully, to bury him.

[Destor]

What about chavito for buried? I know a lot aren't his biggest fans, but he had a lot going for him. Respected wrestling family, quite a lot of charisma, a good hand in ring, but the tail end of his WWE run was brutal and it would take a lot now for him to be taken seriously at any title level.

Doubt he would make money for anyone now, but I really think he could have done under different circumstances.

Really felt bad for a guy who would take one bump a night from a midget while getting paid $100,000 a year downside. Poor guy. I'm sure he was.crying all.the way.to the bank.while I get you point Gertner you have to admit you have NO CHANCE of building him into a world champion at this point.

[Savio]

Please people comment on my Kaval pick.

[Bad News Gertner]

Chavo shouldn't have sniffed the World Title at any point.

He did become ECW Champ after that feud for what it's worth. Plus he was getting a bit long in the tooth at that point. He made his money and now can pretty much pick and choose what he wants to do.

[Savio]

Chavo shouldn't have sniffed the World Title at any point.

He did become ECW Champ after that feud for what it's worth. Plus he was getting a bit long in the tooth at that point. He made his money and now can pretty much pick and choose what he wants to do.
No he was ECW champ before.

[Maluco]

Was at a pretty decent level before, feuds with Misterio, Benoit etc...Pretty much asked for his release after that feud, by the time he was only wrestling on superstars and losing to rookies on NXT.

Was worth nothing when he left WWE. Had been a good hand in good feuds before that, and an ECW champ like you say.

[Bad News Gertner]

No he was ECW champ before.

Meh, he still literalky had the dream job of any wrestler: take a splash from a midget in a two minute match and make six figures

[Tazz Dan]

Kaval

Please people comment on my Kaval pick.

Kaval was drawing in TNA, and could still draw anywhere he's booked.

From what I've read though, he's buried himself for being an asshole backstage. That could be wrong, I've never met the guy.

[Fignuts]

Kaval is a ridiculous person.

He's like if Kalyx became a wrestler. SERIOUS BUSINESS

[Savio]

Kaval was drawing in TNA, and could still draw anywhere he's booked.
But TNA doesn't even draw.

[Volare]

BOOM!

[Destor]

Meh, he still literalky had the dream job of any wrestler: take a splash from a midget in a two minute match and make six figures
5 figures

Approx 60k for undercard enhancement talent on their down swing (30k to start)

[road doggy dogg]

Burried with two R's

Burried

Asian man being bullied

[Tazz Dan]

But TNA doesn't even draw.

Not WWE numbers, no. But people went to see him when he performed, their numbers went up. So yes, he's a draw.

So in saying this, I nominate 'Draw'.

[Jordancsst1997]

Not sure if it was mentioned yet, but the word JOB. to do the job means to lose. not to get destroyed or to be depushed. anyone who loses jobs.

[ron the dial]

PIN ME
PAY ME

[KIRA]

One other thing just to be clear since I keep seeing it come up, losing to Cena even multiple times does not equate to a burial.

[Shisen Kopf]

I think lol TNA gets over used and not used properly. Are people really laughing out loud at total non-stop action?

[drave]

PIN ME
PAY ME

God damn I had that shirt, loved it.

[Theo Dious]

I feel like a lot of times people use the word "shoot" to mean "speak disparagingly about." As in "recently released WWE wrestler shoots on Vince and Triple H!" This isn't incorrectly used in this case, but the tendency seems to be to charge the word to expect the reader to expect something juicy and inflammatory. You never see something labeled as "Some guy shoots on Vince McMahon!" and find that the meat of his statement was "Vince is a great guy, he totally did right by me and I love him like a dad." "To shoot" simply means "to act as one's true self as opposed to one's wrestling character."

[Destor]

I feel like a lot of times people use the word "shoot" to mean "speak disparagingly about." As in "recently released WWE wrestler shoots on Vince and Triple H!" This isn't incorrectly used in this case, but the tendency seems to be to charge the word to expect the reader to expect something juicy and inflammatory. You never see something labeled as "Some guy shoots on Vince McMahon!" and find that the meat of his statement was "Vince is a great guy, he totally did right by me and I love him like a dad." "To shoot" simply means "to act as one's true self as opposed to one's wrestling character."
I will say among one another shoot does mean "make inflammatory comments" but also if some comes to me and asks me if they can ask me a question i will respond with "shoot" meaning "speak truth." so it works both ways.

[Volare]

How many people have used "Over" the wrong way. Based on 1 or 2 crowd reactions and nothing more.

[Bad News Gertner]

Main Eventer.

The IWC thinks anyone who can wrestle a 4 star match should.be main eventing. Cody Rhodes for example. He's a mid to upper mid card guy. Not a main eventer and there's nothing wrong with that. Everybody has a role. Having a solid undercard only makes the product better.

[XL]

One other thing just to be clear since I keep seeing it come up, losing to Cena even multiple times does not equate to a burial.

Losing does not equal being buried in and of itself; it's all about the nature in which occurs. Anything gratuitous is seen as being "buried".

So, a former multi-time champion like Chavi losing to a midget would easily be seen as him being buried.

Meanwhile, the entire Wyatt Family having their asses handed to them by Cena can also be seen as a burial. Not so much the fact that they lost, but the way in which they lost.

[Tazz Dan]

Kaval

Please people comment on my Kaval pick.

TNA Impact Spoiler.

Samoa Joe vacated the TNA X-Division Championship at the iMPACT! Wrestling television taping Friday night in Bethlehem, Pennsylvania because he was reportedly not medically cleared to compete. As a result, a fatal four way was held later on in the taping to crown a new X-Division Champion, which Low Ki won.

[Savio]

http://taimapedia.org/images/a/a5/TNA_House_Show.jpg

TNA draws

[Savio]

TNA Impact Spoiler.

Samoa Joe vacated the TNA X-Division Championship at the iMPACT! Wrestling television taping Friday night in Bethlehem, Pennsylvania because he was reportedly not medically cleared to compete. As a result, a fatal four way was held later on in the taping to crown a new X-Division Champion, which Low Ki won.Dude if you don't think WWE was burrying Kaval you are insane.

[Ruien]

Losing does not equal being buried in and of itself; it's all about the nature in which occurs. Anything gratuitous is seen as being "buried".

So, a former multi-time champion like Chavi losing to a midget would easily be seen as him being buried.

Meanwhile, the entire Wyatt Family having their asses handed to them by Cena can also be seen as a burial. Not so much the fact that they lost, but the way in which they lost.

So then, Kane buried Daniel Bryan right?

[Tazz Dan]

Dude if you don't think WWE was burrying Kaval you are insane.

I'll start with the worst offender: Burried

If someone is burried they are used in such a way that they are dead. PERMANENTLY. They will never be able to make money again. Being used to get someone over =/= burial. Being in a midcard program =/= burial.

TNA Impact Spoiler.

Samoa Joe vacated the TNA X-Division Championship at the iMPACT! Wrestling television taping Friday night in Bethlehem, Pennsylvania because he was reportedly not medically cleared to compete. As a result, a fatal four way was held later on in the taping to crown a new X-Division Champion, which Low Ki won.

[Tazz Dan]

And he could still go back to WWE one day and make money if they booked him right.

[Tom Guycott]

I feel like a lot of times people use the word "shoot" to mean "speak disparagingly about." As in "recently released WWE wrestler shoots on Vince and Triple H!" This isn't incorrectly used in this case, but the tendency seems to be to charge the word to expect the reader to expect something juicy and inflammatory. You never see something labeled as "Some guy shoots on Vince McMahon!" and find that the meat of his statement was "Vince is a great guy, he totally did right by me and I love him like a dad." "To shoot" simply means "to act as one's true self as opposed to one's wrestling character."

In the same vein, "speaks out" is used in the same way under the same false pretenses. Instead of referring to someone breaking silence about a particular subject OR emerging from total media silence, it is taken to imply they're going to say something scandalous or scathing, even if that isn't the case. Hell, sometimes, the person is already vocal about the topic, for good or ill. For example, if CM Punk actually publicly addressed his WWE departure after the time that has passed without deflecting sarcasm or completely ignoring the subject, in detail, warts and all, he would actually be speaking out.

But that's less of a wrestling thing and more a garbage journalism thing. Not pointing any fingers at any specific easy target on the front page ( but, hey, if the shoe fits...) as I've seen and heard this done since forever ago, like when Hard Copy was household name TMZ is now, not to mention actual tabloids at supermarket checkouts worldwide.

[Tom Guycott]

X Pac heat. If a heel gets over that the IWC doesn'twant to get over (Vickie Guerrero when she started) then they have X Pac heat

Honestly, there is a better word for X-Pac heat... apathy. It wasn't that Syxx sucked. At all. Its just that pretty much after his DX return, he kept doing the same shit. Same music. Same entrance. Same whiny promos. Spin kick, crotch chop, bronco buster, X-factor, by-the-numbers matches most of the time. After awhile, it stopped being "cool" and just became boring goofy shit. Yet instead of using the growing backlash to freshen up (like The Rock), he just kept on doing the same thing night in and night out to the point where he wasn't getting "We hate you because you're a heel" heat, he was getting "Uuugh, again! ? We don't want to see this shit anymore, go away!" heat.

[Destor]

"go away" heat is what you dont want. the kind of heat that makes people not buy tickets.

[parkmania]

Would Mickie James count as buried in WWE?

[Savio]

<dl><dt class="glossary" id="Burial_.28or_Bury.29" style="margin-top: 0.4em;"><dfn class="glossary-dfn">Burial/Bury</dfn></dt></dl> <dl><dd>The worked (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glossary_of_professional_wrestling_terms#Work_.28noun.29) lowering (relegation) of a popular wrestler's status in the eyes of the fans. It is the act of a promoter or booker causing a wrestler to lose popularity by forcing him to lose in squash (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glossary_of_professional_wrestling_terms#Squash) matches, continuously (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Job_%28professional_wrestling%29), and/or participate in unentertaining or degrading storylines. It can be a form of punishment for real-life backstage disagreements or feuds (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feud_%28professional_wrestling%29) between the wrestler and the booker, the wrestler falling out of favor with the company, or the wrestler receiving an unpopular gimmick that causes him to lose credibility regardless of win-loss record.</dd></dl>

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Would Mickie James count as buried in WWE?

yes

[Destor]

<dl><dt class="glossary" id="Burial_.28or_Bury.29" style="margin-top: 0.4em;"><dfn class="glossary-dfn">Burial/Bury</dfn></dt></dl> <dl><dd>The worked (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glossary_of_professional_wrestling_terms#Work_.28noun.29) lowering (relegation) of a popular wrestler's status in the eyes of the fans. It is the act of a promoter or booker causing a wrestler to lose popularity by forcing him to lose in squash (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glossary_of_professional_wrestling_terms#Squash) matches, continuously (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Job_%28professional_wrestling%29), and/or participate in unentertaining or degrading storylines. It can be a form of punishment for real-life backstage disagreements or feuds (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feud_%28professional_wrestling%29) between the wrestler and the booker, the wrestler falling out of favor with the company, or the wrestler receiving an unpopular gimmick that causes him to lose credibility regardless of win-loss record.</dd></dl>
incorect, that is the IWCs interpretation...who also wrote that on the WIKI to begin with.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Main Eventer.

The IWC thinks anyone who can wrestle a 4 star match should.be main eventing. Cody Rhodes for example. He's a mid to upper mid card guy. Not a main eventer and there's nothing wrong with that. Everybody has a role. Having a solid undercard only makes the product better.

Cody Rhodes doesn't have a main event shine if you will, but in an actual developed mid card he would be tremendous along with Cesaro and Sheamus as well as Ziggler etc. The problem is there's no god damned focus on the mid card and the story lines are non existent so people want a little more shine on certain guys to make it seem like their favourite wrasslers aren't just there to fill space and time on a 3 hour over booked raw. Thus, they want them in the main event so there can at least be a bit more emphasis on someone they care about. I blame the company more than the fans for this.

[Big Vic]

incorect, that is the IWCs interpretation...who also wrote that on the WIKI to begin with.
You can't even spell "burried"

[drave]

ZING!