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spd10000
05-19-2004, 12:28 AM
When someone gets released (or fired) from the WWE, the general feeling amongst fans is that the worker somehow "deserved better." No, you know what? That's not always the case.

Lance Storm and Tommy Dreamer recently announced they're finished. They're no longer wrestling for the WWE, and many people are very upset. They said these guys "deserved better." You said the creative team sucks, for not finding these two a good program, and for not appreciating them. You think they missed the boat. The same thing was said about Kanyon, and so many others.

My question is this - Why should the WWE have made these guys superstars in the first place? Don’t get me wrong. I have the utmost respect for these men, and their accomplishments in the ring, but the question still remains. How come they deserved better?

In his years with ECW, Tommy Dreamer, if I am not mistaken, was the biggest advocate against the WWE. He would lead the chants of WWE sucks and was the ‘revolutionist’ to get fans to hate the WWE and their product. Why should the WWE make a guy who spent the majority of his active career bashing and belittling the WWE product into a multi millionaire? Tommy is a decent wrestler but he certainly was never going to be a megastar in the WWE with his limited wrestling ability. Was the WWE capable of using him more proficiently? Yes, but again why push a wrestler that was never complimentary of your product and now wants a paycheck from it?

I fully understand that Tommy was doing the “company thing” by promoting the hell out of ECW so that it received mainstream notoriety but that does not mean that WWE should just let that be water under the bridge. WWE was big enough to even employ Dreamer for the last three years and are now willing to even give him a position of management in the company he tried to vanquish, so is that not enough to please all Dreamer fans out there? What was it that Dreamer deserved in the WWE a World title reign? Being the big fish in the small pond of ECW is not enough to warrant a guaranteed title reign in the WWE.Again do not misconstrue what it is that I am saying because I was a huge fan of ECW and never wanted to see it end.

Lance Storm is also a wrestler that is being said deserved better than what he got in the WWE.Lance has basically wrestled for around fourteen years and only the last two and a half were spent in the WWE.Whan Lance gets asked what was his favorite company to work for he immediately responds with ECW.Again why is the WWE at fault for not pushing Lance Storm to the moon when it is clear that if ECW was still around he would never even be in the WWE in the first place. Of course Lance liked the atmosphere better in ECW, when all Heyman had to write for was twenty wrestlers and of those twenty, four were main event wrestlers where special attention could be given to everyone on the roster. WWE employs around eighty wrestlers and not all of the talents on the roster can be involved in the main or semi main event. That is the equivalent of working at Ma and Pa’s bed and breakfast then moving on to the Hilton. Of course Ma and Pa could give you more attention because of the nature of its business.

Point is that when you watch sports like baseball or football there are players that are called second stringers. These players are on the team and in some cases even get paid rather handsomely but the role is to be a backup. Bit players are vital to the company in a ‘just in case capacity’. These type of players will get opportunities to play and even get extended playing time if they exceed expectations but usually these player will settle into their role as a bit player or backup. Certainly Lance and Dreamer had glimpses of a push but that was all WWE had in store for them and nothing more. Again WWE owed these wrestlers nothing more than the pay that they agreed to upon signing their contracts.

Now the only other thing I hear is that almost every bit player should quit the WWE and join TNA because TNA is all about giving everyone on the roster a fair chance to succeed. TNA does not discriminate against size, age, years in the business, or even company loyalty. TNA will push whoever is getting over with the fans, as TNA is a fan friendly company. As much as I agree that TNA does give opportunity to wrestlers that probably would never stand a chance in the WWE my big question is this, will it last? With the upcoming national cable TV deal with Fox Sports, where ratings rule the land, will TNA be willing to keep pushing wrestlers who may be non-draws? Currently Panda Energy is willing to cover the losses that TNA accrue weekly because Panda wanted to get onto free TV before they pulled the plug, hence giving TNA a fair chance at success.

Once TNA are on free TV, I have to think that the feeling with Panda Energy would be that TNA either sink or swim with a limited time frame to accomplish success. If the ratings tank quickly I highly doubt Fox will keep them on their lineup and at that point why would Panda continue to back TNA when they reached their pinnacle and failed? So before everyone praises how much TNA pushes a myriad of different talents remember that at this point in time they can without consequence. Will that trend continue remains to be seen but I won’t praise TNA until I see their game plan in effect and being effective.

Bottom Line:

Before everyone crucifies the WWE for forcing retirement upon wrestlers that saw the writing on the wall understand that that WWE just prolonged their livelihood. Ask yourself the question would Tommy Dreamer really be better off going to TNA and trying to find a spot with a company who is currently trying hard to find an identity? Would Lance Storm be better off getting interjected into the Gilbertti vs. Diamond feud that has lasted forever or wrestling Raven every week? I am by know means knocking TNA but they are not accountable for the same things that WWE are so trial and error is far less costly when errors are covered with corporate dollars.

Fans have clamored for fresh faces for the longest time and I really do not think that wrestlers that have been in the business for fourteen years are fresh faces. Is it the WWE’s problem that these wrestlers spent twelve of those fourteen years elsewhere and now no longer have options for employment? I do not want to come across as I think that everything that WWE does in this industry is acceptable but I do believe that WWE gets flack from fans and fellow columnists because of their own bias towards certain talents. So I ask the question do all bit players deserve better than their WWE careers afford them or is it that what they received was their lot in life with the company?

I think that when you look at WWE like a business at times and not just the entertainment aspect you will see that sometimes those types of things are just part of business and nothing more. What any wrestler deserves upon joining WWE is a paycheck, anything after that is open to subjectivity. Until next time that’s just my view. As always feedback is appreciated.

The Show Off
05-19-2004, 12:40 AM
Man I couldn't have said it any better, so I won't try to. It's a buisness, and as in every buisness someone isn't going to get what they want some times.

PureHatred
05-19-2004, 12:41 AM
Other than that nonsense about the WWE punishing employees who used to bash their company, I agree with your post. This would be like The Yankees signing Roger Clemens and then purposely benching him because he used to be a BoSox; that would be like the WWE siging a ton of stars then not pushing them because they one were in the WCW..that'd be stupid, right?

But, you are right. Not every wrestler can be a star. Some are going to have to spend their careers as midcarders or worse. It's just a fact of life. I presonally think they could've made a better effort with Storm and some others. But when somone like The Cat or GMS gets cut, its easy to see the reasons.

As you said, if they feel they can't use a guy, they don't have to keep paying them. Sometimes, we as fans don't agree, but the WWE has every right to make those calls for themselves. And the workers should do every thing possible to work for a company that fits them, too.

Shadow
05-19-2004, 12:58 AM
Look at how much punishment Storm and Dreamer have had in their careers. Hell, I was wanting Dreamer to retire after ECW folded. Storm, meh. He had some potential at the end of his run but again. Injuries ended his career as well. But its good the two of em are still with the company. WWE couldn't make them megastars. Hell, they barely fit the WWE mold. But what they did do, they did pretty good in my opinion. And for that, we have nothing to complain about. At least, the voices in my head don't complain about not seeing Lance dance anymore. Well...one does. But he's crazy and we don't listen to him.

FourFifty
05-19-2004, 01:18 AM
Not everyone can work a mic like The Rock, Triple H, Hogan, Eugene, Chris Jericho, or The Undertaker. Not everyone can be a star... Yeah, I wanted to see Dreamer call it quits after ECW. I love the guy to death for what he did for his company... but since he can't get any decent air time on WWE TV without eating gross stuff, I think this is best for him... TNA is gonna be on TV soon, and if they want someone who can start an Anti-WWE chant, they have a dude who has done it.
As of Lance Storm... Ever since the Impact Players broke up, fu</u>ck Lance Storm. He's a dime a dozen wrestler who can't work a mic. He needed Justin Credible to look good... Not taking anything away from Credible, but The Impact Players were kinda like The New Age Outlaws... Billy and Lance could wrestler, Justin and The Road Dogg were the mouth pieces.
Spanky shouldn't of quit... regardless of the reason... He was a great wrestler who had a future hall of famer as his teacher... Spanky could work a crowd, but I never saw him behind a mic, so he could of been a great light weight on SmackDown. I mean, you can only have Rey VS Jamie so many times before they take footage from all of the Rey VS Jamie matches, spilce them in a blender, and come up with a new match. Spanky has a great moveset, and I pray that TNA picks him up.
While we're on the smaller people, I hope Zack Gowen goes down in history much like Bertha Faye, Dink, The BushWhackers, and Lance Storm. Zack was given a chance that people with two legs would of given up one of their legs for, and he was an asshole about it.
As of the WWE letting go of Bradshaw, Thank You God! It's about damned time! He's a stiff worker with gimmick that sucks! Let him write his useless books, and trade stock 'till his balls fall off for all I care... all this and more in "Things I wish really happened."
Who Betta Than Kanyon!?!?! He's one wrestler I seriously miss. Not the best behind a mic (she shells she shells by the she shore), a totally decent preformer... I don't see him as main event material, but a damned good wrestler to have on the roster never the less. I mean, come on! He's cool!

Longshot
05-19-2004, 02:01 AM
Lance Storm is a great wrestler and given a chance he could of gone further than he did. Look at what he did in ECW and WCW.

I think his retirement match what great and since it did happen in Calgery or Edmonton (cant remember exactly) there is nothing better for his departure. :)

Tommy hasnt been on TV for months and I dont think I'd miss him much but he did have a good run in ECW.

Aussie Skier
05-19-2004, 06:07 AM
My question is this - Why should the WWE have made these guys superstars in the first place? Don’t get me wrong. I have the utmost respect for these men, and their accomplishments in the ring, but the question still remains. How come they deserved better?

In his years with ECW, Tommy Dreamer, if I am not mistaken, was the biggest advocate against the WWE. He would lead the chants of WWE sucks and was the ‘revolutionist’ to get fans to hate the WWE and their product. Why should the WWE make a guy who spent the majority of his active career bashing and belittling the WWE product into a multi millionaire? Tommy is a decent wrestler but he certainly was never going to be a megastar in the WWE with his limited wrestling ability. Was the WWE capable of using him more proficiently? Yes, but again why push a wrestler that was never complimentary of your product and now wants a paycheck from it?



You saying that gives me an excellent gimmick idea.
Someone in the WWE who really doesnt wanna be there?

big_bluto
05-19-2004, 08:24 AM
Point is that when you watch sports like baseball or football there are players that are called second stringers. These players are on the team and in some cases even get paid rather handsomely but the role is to be a backup. Bit players are vital to the company in a ‘just in case capacity’. These type of players will get opportunities to play and even get extended playing time if they exceed expectations but usually these player will settle into their role as a bit player or backup. Certainly Lance and Dreamer had glimpses of a push but that was all WWE had in store for them and nothing more. Again WWE owed these wrestlers nothing more than the pay that they agreed to upon signing their contracts.


Good post.
I don't think anyone would dis-agree with the bulk of what you are saying in here, and all too often it is easy to bash the corporate monster that is WWE.
That's one of the reasons I started my 'Favourite Moment' post a few weeks back.

Anyway, the point I'm going to make is this.

The issue that pisses a lot of people off about WWE is that they 'waste' talented people.
They have what? 80 wrestlers on their books?
Now that's quite a big mix of people with different skills, talents and personalities, and there is going to be rotation within that pool of people - some will leave, some new will come in, etc.
There will always be fans who get annoyed when their favourite isn't the WWE champ, or when their hero gets released. Different wrestlers appeal to different people.
What my problem with WWe (and what a lot of people have a problem with) is that WWE frequently brings in talent and then wastes it, or has talent on it's books and buries it, or just plain makes the talent it has look like sh</>it.

Now I happen to think that WWE is doing a fantastic job with the way they are developing Cena and Orton, and I've been vocal about that on this site several times.
What I have also been vocal about is when they do stupid things:

1. Sean O'Haire - signed him, ran promo's, got the fans looking forward to seeing him, and then promptly buried him for a year, then released him. Didn't even give him a chance, because the writers didn't know what to do with him? Maybe it should've been the writers that got released!

2. Matt Morgan - brought him up from OVW, gave him a bit of a push, straight into PPV, and from there, straight onto Heat, then back to OVW in the space of 6 weeks! Because they sent him back down, now he looks like he couldn't cut it.

3. Ultimo Dragon - signed him, ran promo's, got the fans looking forward to seeing him, and then he only appeared on Smackdown about 4 times. The rest of the time he got dumped on Heat or Velocity, and even that was a rare occurence. No opportunity to show his skills.

4. Brian 'Spank' McKendrick - Sean Michaels protege, plenty of skills and talent, had to start off his career with WWE by streaking through the arena, then got a huge crowd response when he started wrestling, and then was promptly bumped onto Velocity. Saw some sense and left to wrestle elsewhere.

5. Tommy Dreamer - came from being a hardcore fans-hero on ECW, and came to WWE and apparently could only do 2 things - eat anything disgusting, or hit people with Kendo sticks. No other opportunity was given to be anything other than a lame ass gimmick, when he could have given more.

6. Lance Storm - again, he was given a 'Boring' chant (not good for anyones career), a flunky to Val Venis (like that is gonna further his career) and the only chance he ever got to do anything was when he was in tag teams. Again, not much of an opportunity.


Basically, I could continue with this list for ages, then I could start on the 'Wasted Pushes' list for Hardcore Holly, Bradshaw, A-Train, Billy Gunn, etc.

This is the big greivance I have with WWE.
It's easy enough to write the bad things you think about a company that produces a show you watch religiously twice a week, but when it comes to the good stuff, sometimes it goes un-noticed.

I think that's a helluva post you put up there, and a rep to you for it!

Marc the Smark
05-19-2004, 12:03 PM
Right on Big Bluto. :y:

Wondermouse
05-19-2004, 12:17 PM
In sports, the "second stringers" are the people not as talented as the ones ahead of them. It's the fact that it's not so in WWE that people get riled up.

Nark Order
05-19-2004, 12:19 PM
Tommy was a good-for-nothing bump machine anyways. The only time he was ever entertaining is when he was getting thrown off of a building or something.

I'll agree about Storm though, Lance has more skills in his thumb than Big Show will ever have.....but who got all the fame and money?