Bill DeMott in "he's a huge piece of shit" shocker

[CSL]

not sure why this has taken so long to come out. Everybody should read this


Below is a Transcript of Austin's now Infamous "JUDAS" letter in its entirety: March 11th, 2013
Memo To: Canyon Ceman, Dorothy Brill, Jane Geddes
Memo From​Austin Matelson
Subject: ​Coach Demott
I am composing this memo today because I have had a number of serious concerns about the actions and words of head coach Bill Demott during my employment as talent for WWE developmental. Many of these actions I have tried to ignore or hope that they would cease but because they have now put me in a dangerous situation not only for my career but for my personal health and safety I feel the need to speak out to someone of a higher authority. In this memo I will provide details on a series of incidents which underlie my concerns.

I would like to request that this remain in strict confidence as I am afraid that if Coach Demott were to know I spoke out he would find ways to punish me for it. In fact the entire process of writing a letter to human resources has been called a “faggots” way of dealing with problems by Coach Demott.
Physical Injury Due to Imprudent Coaching: The action that has led me to finally speak out happened Thursday February, 28th following our house show. I had taken an awkward hit to my knee in a match and was being examined by Brian Duncan. This hit aggravated a previous injury, one that should never have happened, that I had sustained during a practice drill orchestrated by Coach Demott after practice had already been completed. An MRI revealed a partial tear of my PCL and a strain on a ligament in the back of my knee. I have been told that I can work through it but it may aggravate here and there. This injury can be enduring as many of the superstars on the main roster wrestle their whole careers with it.

I should never have had any issues with this knee but on that particular practice day, after a 3 hour morning session had ‘ended’ at 11 AM, Demott put 280lbs Gary Jackson back in the ring at 11:30 and forced 8 of us to give him 10 takedowns each. After Gary had bumped 60 times in a matter of minutes, I entered the ring and was asked to give him 10 fireman takedowns. On the first one he collapsed from exhaustion while on my back, driving my knees into the mat where I sustained this injury.
The hit I took aggravated it and Coach Demott pulled trainer Brian Duncan and I into the training room and said without any knowledge of my actual injury, “This injury can’t keep flaring up. It doesn’t look good perception wise to us (the office) or for your career going forward.” This injury was treated after the match and I was cleared by Duncan at the time.

Based on Coach Demott’s statement I feel that I am in a position where I have to cover up any injuries I may have otherwise I will be punished or fired. The following week I was in severe discomfort but fearing repercussions I attempted to work through it. Coach Demott has not only instilled this fear in me but I have spoken to several other members of the roster who have been made to feel by Coach Demott that their current injuries are signs of weakness as men, and could potentially lead Coach Demott to advocate for their firing.

On two separate occasions Coach Demott forced me to perform dangerous moves without properly warming up. One incident followed my first evaluation where Canyon Ceman asked me to start working on my parkour and gymnastics moves. It was 7:30 am before practice and he saw me standing in the ring with Enzo Amore and said, “Do a takedown let go of him and do a back flip then go back to him.” The idea made no sense, I was not properly warmed up, and I nearly landed on my head on one attempt. Thesecond incident was before a live event he wanted Oliver Gray to test out his finisher on someone so he grabbed me and forced me to take a high bump on my neck without warming up. I had missed a week of practice because of a neck strain prior to this and Coach Demott was well aware of that.

I have also watched and participated in drills that were hazardous to our safety. He has made us do squats on the top rope including some students who had never been up that high in their careers. He made the beginners group perform monkey flips without a crash pad and the first six who participated landed on their heads and necks and were lucky not to have been seriously injured. The aforementioned drill in which Gary Jackson injured my knee also saw Memo Montenegro injury his neck and shoulder. He was on his 40th bump in 5 minutes and got dizzy before his 7th consecutive hip toss and landed on his head.

Unprofessional Work Environment: The issue of physical well-being is not my only concern. I am an educated individual who worked at Cal State Northridge with Professors and students. I know how one is suppose to conduct one's self in a professional sense. I also understand that this is a unique business and the lines on proper behavior may be a bit blurred. Yet there is no question that Coach Demott, on a daily basis,not only makes unprofessional choices in words and actions, choices that go against many policies of this company, but choices that have created a culture of fear and negativity in this system. Showing up each day for training is mentally agonizing because of the comments we are all forced to hear. He routinely makes fun of anyone sitting out because of injury and also makes rude comments about people’s names and personal lives and has established a hostile work environment through verbal assaults.

To wit:
• Demott constantly refers to Oliver Gray as Joel Pedophile which personally enrages me because I used to help a Psychology Professor in Los Angeles do lectures for sexually abused children. • When Dante Dash referred to his finishing move as the Davey boy, as it was utilized by the late Davey Smith who died tragically, Coach Demott makes the following comment, “The Davey Boy? What turning blue and dropping dead on the lawn?” • Coach Demott told student Enzo Amore that he hopes he dies. • Demott also told our entire morning class and Ricky Steamboat's class to kill themselves just days after we tolled the ring bell 10 times for the late Mike Graham a former star FCW wrestler, who committed suicide. • Coach Demott routinely bullies Enzo verbally as well as physically. I have seen Enzo on several occasions be slapped in the face by Bill. During one practice he decided to show Enzo how doing a slam wrong could hurt someone, so he picked Enzo up and dropped him without warning directly on his head and neck. He then decided that each time a student slammed his 100lbs heavy bag with bad form that student had to slam one of his peers the same way. Demott found this drill amusing yet each student was put at serious injury risk. • Demott has grabbed an injured David Harwood by his neck pulled him to the office door and verbally chastised him for standing by the ring during practice when he wasn't cleared, even though he was simply listening to a lecture by Ricky Steamboat. • Demott has kicked Memo Montenegro in the groin and laughed as he crumbled into a heap. Memo being a Mexican immigrant to the United States has a heavy accent, which Coach Demott constantly criticizes and makes fun of. • He routinely will attempt to bust students lip on the bottom rope when they stand to close to the ring. On several occasions he has punished students for mistakes in practice by making them bend forward putting their face near the ropes so that Coach Demott can bounce the rope off the bridge of their nose. • He routinely calls Gary Jackson a fat tub of goo, tells Osmund Cherry who is of African descent, to go back to Africa and most recently has made derogatory remarks about sexual preferences to Brandon Traven. • Coach Demott insinuated that Traven is gay and used the derogatory term "half a sissy" to make fun of him simply because he sat out practice and has had several injuries in the last couple months. This is not the first time he targeted Brandon either. In December I witnessed Coach Demott question Traven about a head injury in the trainer’s room. After Traven explained that a blow to the head in practice had made him dizzy Demott slapped him in the head and left the room. • I witnessed a similar incident a few months ago when Alexander Russev was recovering from neck surgery. Coach Demott saw Russev wearing a NY Jets shirt at practice and not liking that sports team proceeded to physically grab Russev by the collar and rip the shirt off him. Russev was not cleared for any contact at that point and clearly showed physical pain after the incident. Following this incident a group of students were discussing how this sort of thing happened before with an injured Briley Pierce. Briley had a broken leg and Coach Demott kicked him in his medical boot. This happened before I was under contract but it nonetheless seems to fit a pattern of negligent and abusive behavior that I have observed with Coach Demott and is worth investigating further. • According to Oliver Gray, he was once told that if he sat out practice to rest a very bad low back injury that CoachDemott would pull him from the NXT tapings and from attending the Royal Rumble, even though the trainer had requested that Oliver sit out just one practice.

I have been in this system under Coach Demott for 8 months now and was recently told that I am not improving at a rate that is acceptable. I have made concerted efforts in the past to practice more often and work on the parkour moves requested by Canyon Ceman. However Bill has routinely kicked me out of the building after practice including a day when WWE superstar Alex Riley asked me to work on some parkour moves with him. This along with his constant interrupting of practices just to put people down and make negative comments has all but killed any motivation I have to spend extra time around him.

It should be stated that I am not a vindictive person. I am open-minded and do not have a problem with off-color jokes or difficult practice drills. I was signed to this company after Steve Regal told me he saw tremendous improvement in my ring work between tryouts. I told Mr. Regal that I could only imagine how good I could become working 24/7 for this company. I have always been intrinsically motivated and will practice something until I perfect it. Yet I personally feel that coach Demott creates an environment that hinders my opportunities to improve. Coach Demott restricts our practices, instead opting for dangerous and unproductive drills, while constantly verbally assaulting our appearances, personalities, sexual preferences, injuries, and character it seems impossible for me to maximize my time in the ring. In fact even as recently as training on March 4th, guest trainer Lance Storm went out of his way to demonstrate moves to me that Coach Demott had kicked me out of the building for not doing correctly. When I asked him how to do them Coach Demott said, "That was shit Judas, get out of the building."

Is this the type of work environment that the WWE desires? When can we set up a time to discuss this matter?

In closing I would be remiss if I did not clarify to you that this is solely a problem with Bill Demott and not a problem with the fine coaching staff that has been assembled around him. For example, Ricky Steamboat has been a terrific help to me and always provides me with positive reinforcement and quality examples to learn from. Terry Taylor has gone out of his way to pull me aside and give me helpful advice. Billy Gunn has been an amazingly refreshing force bringing knowledge and enthusiasm that has been extremely beneficial to the system. The changes that have recently occurred in the WWE have been excellent and I am excited for the future plans of WWE Developmental. It is because of these positive attributes that I am expressing my concerns to you. I want to be a part of a solution to the problems that I have listed, one that will lead to future success for the developmental system.

staggering if true. You expect a certain level of shit talking, general homophobia, cuntiness etc, it's pro wrestling, it happens from top to bottom. But the stuff with the injured guys, the head and neck stuff, the dangerous drilling is absolutely unbelievable/unforgivable.

[Droford]

That's no laughing matter

[VSG]

lol squats on the top rope :'(

I wasn't surprised that Bill DeMott is a massive piece of shit, but this was worse than I expected.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

He has had other accusers before.

[Rammsteinmad]

Remember when he made those guys train naked?

[Emperor Smeat]

Not surprised he's still horrible as the head trainer. Never got really punished for all the other times he's been the source of scandals or bad injuries. Even supposedly got the former head trainer fired for petty reasons just so that he could get his spot back.

[Heisenberg]

Just like I saw on Twitter, he was pretty merciless to my CAW in WWE2K15, so this no surprise

[el bobbo]

AJ, Paige and Renee on the screen at the same time. Get the lube out boys.

[Corkscrewed]

Wow, he sounds like the Richie Incognito of the WWE. Always knew he was a jerk, but the extent is pretty crazy.

[CWK]

This story could potentially blow up huge. For one since WWE runs anti-bullying campaigns and this story makes them look very bad.

Also this could potentially get bad publicity on Triple H. Since he is in charge of developmental, he's also an executive at WWE and is also now a member of the board of Directors but also even more, he has claimed publicly on numerous occasions to have video access to the entire performance center at any time from any location so he can watch what trainees and trainers are doing.

So, if this developmental talents claims are true and it seems that it is because there already has been another talent verifying these claims, then there should definitely be video footage in existence to support these claims.

This could be a major story and very damaging to WWE, especially if video of it leaks to the public.

If it's true, I hope DeMott gets payback sooner rather than later

[Mr. Nerfect]

What's the internal feeling on how DeMott trains guys? You hear a few people speak up once they have left, but you don't really hear any rumblings of him being replaced.

[Evil Vito]

What's the internal feeling on how DeMott trains guys? You hear a few people speak up once they have left, but you don't really hear any rumblings of him being replaced.

<font color=goldenrod>Very few guys speak up about their treatment until after they're gone because doing so will torpedo their chances. WWE doesn't strike me as a company that has a code of ethics or anything that they need to follow. Vince probably finds DeMott's antics hilarious and looks down on anybody who can't take it.</font>

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Frankly if the NXT roster is a "tight" enough group to band together it'd be cool if one day at training they all just collectively sat out and refused to train/wrestle again unless DeMott got fired or suspended. It's not like they're just gonna fire the entire developmental roster.</font>

[Nicky Fives]

<font color=goldenrod>Frankly if the NXT roster is a "tight" enough group to band together it'd be cool if one day at training they all just collectively sat out and refused to train/wrestle again unless DeMott got fired or suspended. It's not like they're just gonna fire the entire developmental roster.</font>

especially not to keep DeMott..... someone needs to explain to me how that fat piece of shit is the head trainer and Billy Gunn, who looks in better shape than ever and 15 years younger than he actually is, is not....and I'm not even going to get into their respective careers....

[KIRA]

especially not to keep DeMott..... someone needs to explain to me how that fat piece of shit is the head trainer and Billy Gunn, who looks in better shape than ever and 15 years younger than he actually is, is not....and I'm not even going to get into their respective careers....
Nothing but the fucking truth

[Vastardikai]

I think WWE would be better off having Bob Holly as their head trainer. He's an asshole, but he isn't a sadist.

[CSL]

they have all the talent and resources in the world at their disposal when it comes to training new guys, Dusty, Regal, Steamboat, Brookside, Dinsmore, Billy Gunn etc. One of those guys alone can give all the training and knowledge any wrestler would need, let alone all of them. If all of this is true, there is no need for DeMott to stay employed. WCW/the Powerplant showed that the idiotic drill sergeant way of going about things hardly produces the best results. It's 2015 and it's a giant global entertainment brand attempting to build media superstars that also wrestle, for any semblance of the macho homophobic racist territory mindset to still exist is pretty pathetic.

[whiteyford]

<font color=goldenrod>Vince probably finds DeMott's antics hilarious and looks down on anybody who can't take it.</font>

If even half the stories about Vince are true then this could be settled with trial by combat, where's a Daniel Puder when you need him.

You've heard stories about DeMott being a cunt for years, the fact they have guys like Regal/Steamboat etc who actually amounted to something other than being Goldberg's first win makes you wonder why he's been tolerated, as much as there's always going to be the 'man up' mentality the fact you have to think there's nothing the company would want to avoid more than the idea that it's a dangerous working environment, in light of Punks accusations especially.

[drave]

If even half the stories about Vince are true then this could be settled with trial by combat, where's a Daniel Puder when you need him.

You've heard stories about DeMott being a cunt for years, the fact they have guys like Regal/Steamboat etc who actually amounted to something other than being Goldberg's first win makes you wonder why he's been tolerated, as much as there's always going to be the 'man up' mentality the fact you have to think there's nothing the company would want to avoid more than the idea that it's a dangerous working environment, in light of Punks accusations especially.

Also, Scott Norton.

[MoFo]

Crazy how they still have a draconian head trainer when all the facilities around him are cutting edge and top notch

That stuff about slagging off Bulldog and Mike Graham...surprised he didnt get any shit from other higher ups for that alone

[Heisenberg]

JUDAS v.s. DeMott @ the next NXT live special I bet, being the Reality Era and all

[Innovator]

“WWE took the accusations made two years ago by Austin Matelson very seriously, conducted a full investigation and was unable to validate the claims. Regardless, WWE continues to reinforce policies and procedures to ensure a positive training environment.”

[Heisenberg]

super cereal

[Mr. Nerfect]

they have all the talent and resources in the world at their disposal when it comes to training new guys, Dusty, Regal, Steamboat, Brookside, Dinsmore, Billy Gunn etc. One of those guys alone can give all the training and knowledge any wrestler would need, let alone all of them. If all of this is true, there is no need for DeMott to stay employed. WCW/the Powerplant showed that the idiotic drill sergeant way of going about things hardly produces the best results. It's 2015 and it's a giant global entertainment brand attempting to build media superstars that also wrestle, for any semblance of the macho homophobic racist territory mindset to still exist is pretty pathetic.

Pretty much this.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Apparently Dinsmore was released as an NXT trainer. Does anyone know why this is? He was apparently very influential in the early development of guys like John Cena, Randy Orton and Batista from the OVW days. You'd think he'd the skill-set to be a fantastic trainer for the WWE.

[Emperor Smeat]

Don't think he was a full-time trainer and might have just been a guest one. Up until very recently Vince didn't care much about development or the amount of trainers needed.

Know that Triple H likes to bring in a bunch of guest trainers but don't think he's hired any new full-time ones since taking over. Either that or all the hires were from once he took over and not since.

[rad dggy dg]

Bill DeMott should do a run during NXT and make Flint Bayor take a chokeslam thru a table

[rad dggy dg]

hi everyone its me rad dggy dg and my favorite nxt moment was when Sasha Banks won the womens belt from charlotte flair

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Chris Jericho weighed in on Twitter:

Hey @BillDeMott is a good friend & great trainer. If u can’t handle it then quit. My training at #HartBrothers camp was 10,000 times worse!
-IAmJericho

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I love Jericho but...yeah, that was a pretty idiotic thing to say.</font>

[Innovator]

Pretty sure Hart Brothers training camp isn't a publicly traded company with a anti-bullying campaign.

[RiX1024]

I wonder if Sarge gave him tips on being a coach.

[Heisenberg]

Well, let's not pretend that some of us, if not all, have been in a dude heavy environment where being called a "fag" or "sissy" is the norm and typically encouraged.

This guy has a valid case against DeMott though, he looks like the guy that uses all that talk constantly. I don't know what the outcome is going to be, he's going to need a firing or heavy punishment to quiet this riot

[Poit]

I'm pretty sure the only environment I've been in where language like that is "the norm" was high school, where people were just too immature to know better.

[drave]

Outside of Poit's bubble, Berg is right.

He is still over the top with it all and something does need to be done.

[CSL]

you get it in any "macho" environment really, I rarely take part in conversations at work because it's a steady loop of homophobia, xenophobia and Chinese whispers of things they've read in tabloid newspapers or online. I don't call out every other person I work with because it doesn't personally affect anybody and I'd rather get paid than argue with a bunch of prehistoric mongs only for it to make no difference whatsoever. That said, even health and safety of the employees is a big priority for the clowns I work with, which amplifies the sheer ridiculousness of some of the stuff written in that e-mail.

WWE should obviously be held to an entirely different standard than my bosses daft little company anyway. But the stuff about injured guys, the head dropping etc is horrifying. There is no place for that in any line of work, let alone something as physically dangerous as pro wrestling. Pathetic is about the most apt word for it.

[Ruien]

This is over the top but I assume some of it is inflated to make it seem more serious than it really is.

[CSL]

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A Hart can stretch me any day.
A know nothing dipshit slapping me when I'm concussed is different.</p>&mdash; ec3™ (@EthanCarterTNA) <a href="https://twitter.com/EthanCarterTNA/status/573002341944848384">March 4, 2015</a></blockquote>
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[Innovator]

Jericho deleted his tweet defending DeMott

[Heisenberg]

I hope he gets replaced and patched out of WWE 2K15

[Nark Order]

I'm wondering if this has more to do with the locker room culture than DeMott specifically. Tb1 and I went to wrestling school for a short time and there are lots of similarities to what was described in the article. Very much a politically incorrect madhouse fueled by testosterone-based dogma. You didn't complain about injuries or you were called out. You didn't complain about getting stiffed or you were a pussy. If you got exhausted and started vomiting, they would take digs about your fitness level. Lots of language that would be considered "hateful" in a traditional public setting. All of that was just normal.

With that being said though, the behavior of DeMott seems rather extreme in some of those cases, even within the context of the locker room environment.

[CSL]

dunno, I never really experienced any of that and I've trained with lots of guys in different places/of different levels of success and so on. Wrestling is full of politically incorrect testosterone fueled individuals, they're just not usually in charge of training people. I think maybe you and TB1 just came across a bit of a dickhead. Myself and others have been run into the ground by Famous Wrestler A but were never chastised for being dead afterwards or dropping out during. I've seen Famous Wrestler B get hot with somebody for not listening and talking while he was explaining things but show concern when the same person landed on their face and hurt themselves for no apparent reason etc. As well as plenty of semi or non-famous wrestlers being equally professional.

There is always going to be the odd dickhead here and there but it's pretty good for the most part. And that should go tenfold for a place like NXT/WWE. Let's face it, you wouldn't catch guys like Steamboat, Regal etc, guys with actual accomplishments and almost universal respect across the business pulling this kind of shit if they were head trainer.

[KIRA]

Read through the charges Jesus it sounds like demott is a sadistic tyrant

For some reason this really makes me miss Al Snow

[CSL]

- In the letter released by former WWE talent Austin Matelson earlier this week, one of the accusations he made against NXT trainer Bill DeMott was that DeMott targeted one wrestler with homophobic slurs and assaulted a wrestler who left the ring after becoming dizzy while training. That wrestler is former NXT talent Ryan Collins, who was released in 2013 and performed as Brandon Traven.

A letter from Collins to WWE’s Canyon Cemen has been leaked on Reddit also. The letter was sent just two months before his release. Below is a copy of his letter:

Mr. Canyon Ceman,

I’m writing this letter today due to concerns I’ve had with the training. I’ve contemplated writing this for some time now. After seeing Harley Race this past week, and talking with him about my concerns for not only my training but my physical well being, he himself encouraged me to write a letter and not only that. He informed me to have anyone in the office to call him if they have any questions about any of the information I will be writing about.

My overall biggest concern is about my safety. Before we took off for Holiday break I suffered a minor head injury. The thing about head injuries is you can’t really tell how bad they are until you have proper time to rest. During the course of a practice, I got hit in the head during a drill. I felt very dizzy right away and stepped out of the ring. Practice was almost over that day and I told a few guys near me that I was dizzy. One suggested I might have just been dehydrated or in need of some food. I drank some water and ate a protein bar and I did feel a lot better as the day went. I decided to play the next day of training by ear and see how I felt. I stretched out and did a few rolls in the ring. After just a couple of rolls I felt very dizzy again and saw the trainer.

That day our usual trainer Brian Duncan was on the road. And a substitute trainer attended to me. As I was setting on the table, she examined my eyes and reaction time. Eventually Coach DeMott came in asking what happened. I told him the story of how everything happened, he then accused me of making things worse. Which is not uncommon as Coach DeMott gets angry and standoffish at any sign of injury. The main part of this story that angers me is that as he was leaving the trainers room, Coach DeMott slapped me on top of the head. This really angered me as I don’t believe he has right to put hands on anyone especially like that. I was lucky that my head injury wasn’t too serious. His negligence in this situation could have worsened my injury.

I have also grown very tired of how Coach DeMott has constantly bullied us. Whether by physically hitting us, or by calling us gay. He has on numerous occasions alluded to me being gay. His favorite phrase is “half a sissy” not to mention him calling me and others “faggots” Coach DeMott has also on several occasions grabbed the bottom rope while we are watching practice and pull it back to hit everyone in the face while they are paying attention to instruction. I personally don’t understand his destructive and bullying nature.

While talking with Harley this week about countless unproductive or straight up dangerous drills he encouraged this letter and told me to include that all parties who read it should call him to talk further. Harley agreed that we should not be subjective to physical, or verbal abuse. He was very angry about hearing the information I shared and more than anything didn’t understand why he has us doing unproductive drills to begin with, as opposed to having practice matches which we have only done on a few occasions.

In fact upon Harley hearing the story of Coach DeMott hitting me on the head after a head injury, Harley was very angered by this. In five years of training with Harley I never felt unsafe or in danger of suffering a career threatening injury much like I have here.

I have also witnessed Coach DeMott try to rip a t-shirt off Alexander Rusev, shortly after he had neck surgery.

He has on numerous occasions called Oliver Grey (Joel Pettyfer) Pedophile, smacked Enzo Amore (Eric Arndt) in the mouth. He has also told Enzo to kill himself on atleast one occassion that I heard with my own ears. Morale amongst us, is constantly low and is only getting worse. However on the flip side Steve Keirn, Ricky Steamboat, Terry Taylor and Billy Gunn have all been positive influences since joining this company.

The reason I haven’t said anything until now, is fear of either losing my job or how Coach DeMott will treat me moving forward. As he already treats me and some others very badly. I decided to go ahead and write as I feel now, nothing will change if I don’t speak up. And I hope I can count on your discretion on this matter.

Thank You,

Ryan Collins

[CSL]

Dolph's brother

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>This is sad but (extremely) true.

Please share if you don't want your heroes abused &amp; mistreated.

<a href="https://t.co/7g8n1DRRuI">https://t.co/7g8n1DRRuI</a></p>&mdash; Ryan Nemeth (@HotYoungBriley) <a href="https://twitter.com/HotYoungBriley/status/572540485916475392">March 2, 2015</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>(In 2 years I have still not been questioned once about my part in that poor guy's letter. That is the opposite of a &quot;full investigation.&quot;)</p>&mdash; Ryan Nemeth (@HotYoungBriley) <a href="https://twitter.com/HotYoungBriley/status/572858073187893249">March 3, 2015</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>About fucking time.</p>&mdash; TRENT? (@trentylocks) <a href="https://twitter.com/trentylocks/status/572547059468910592">March 3, 2015</a></blockquote>
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[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Yeah, if DeMott is still doing this kind of shit (and there's no reason to think he isn't) it's time for a walkout amongst the NXT talent.</font>

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>That or Braun Stowman or some other big dude can drop him on his head to see how he likes it.</font>

[CSL]

<font color=goldenrod>Yeah, if DeMott is still doing this kind of shit (and there's no reason to think he isn't) it's time for a walkout amongst the NXT talent.</font>

probably won't happen, guys are always going to be more concerned about their livelihood/"achieving their dream" than rocking the boat, which is certainly understandable. I've already seen a guy mentioned in both letters who is no longer under contract say on Facebook that "he has no issues" etc because he wants to go back/be re-signed one day so what are the odds of the guys already/still there being pro-active :-\

the ball is in WWE's court. They're the ones that need to get something done, you'd say Triple H given the Performance Centre/NXT is his "baby" and he hired DeMott but obviously I have no idea how something like this would work internally

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>I figured as much but it's nice to think about. I mean I get the impression that everybody in NXT is in these sessions, even the "established" guys who made names for themselves elsewhere like Owens, Balor, Itami, etc. who are just there to learn WWE style before they move up. so if they decided to stand up for those being mistreated something might get done. DeMott may be an idiot but he probably knows that going after guys with loads of experience/who are pretty much guaranteed to be on the main roster soon enough is bound to get him in trouble.

In reality I'd say best case scenario is DeMott gets suspended without pay for a month or two. Everything in the performance center is taped so maybe they'll keep a closer eye on him once he gets back.</font>

[Innovator]

The guy MetsFan on reddit said that the top NXT guys basically have a standing note from Triple H to tell DeMott to fuck himself.

[KIRA]

I get the feeling that If Triple H were the man running the WWE Demott would not have a job. I could see him caring alot more about this than Vince.

Between the medical stuff and this the company seems kinda nightmarish.

[Heisenberg]

so we can mostly agree that Demott needs to go

While we can't deny that behavior like this exists, it's gonna be there no matter what, dudes like Demott act like this in a seat of power maybe to compensate for their lack of achievements and/or just straight up take for granted the people they are responsible for and act like a total jackass.

THE ONE THING that is inexcusable and should lead to being fired is abusing someone who is already concussed. That shit isn't explainable at all and doesn't help his case.

You can combat the verbal abuse when you stick together as a group and overcome that, but if a guy gets to strike you w/o consequence then that's FUCKED.

His silence just makes it worse, plus I'm a fan of putting Billy Gunn at the head. He's an ASS man and will teach his ASS man ways to the younger talents

[Hanso Amore]

Lets further discuss tb1 and narcs d level wrestling school experience of not even finishing (where anyone involved was a broke knuckle fucker) to the highest developmental system of a billion dollar publicly traded company.

Hot insight narc

[KIRA]

so we can mostly agree that Demott needs to go

While we can't deny that behavior like this exists, it's gonna be there no matter what, dudes like Demott act like this in a seat of power maybe to compensate for their lack of achievements and/or just straight up take for granted the people they are responsible for and act like a total jackass.

THE ONE THING that is inexcusable and should lead to being fired is abusing someone who is already concussed. That shit isn't explainable at all and doesn't help his case.

You can combat the verbal abuse when you stick together as a group and overcome that, but if a guy gets to strike you w/o consequence then that's FUCKED.

His silence just makes it worse, plus I'm a fan of putting Billy Gunn at the head. He's an ASS man and will teach his ASS man ways to the younger talents

One of my fondest dreams is to have a whole class of wrestlers who've been taught how to sell by Mr.ASS

[Nark Order]

Lets further discuss tb1 and narcs d level wrestling school experience of not even finishing (where anyone involved was a broke knuckle fucker) to the highest developmental system of a billion dollar publicly traded company.

Hot insight narc

Simply pointing out similarities that existed between the two. Not saying the situations are equal. The WWE situation, by all accounts, seems worse than what my experience was.

Nice effort on the jab.

[Chimera]

One day Bill Demott will try this on the wrong guy, someone like Brock Lesnar when bob holly bullied him or whatever or some MMA guy who will really end up hurting DeMott...

live by the sword and die by the sword.

[Jordan]

Bob Holly face turn, seems to be on the side of justice.

[Corporate CockSnogger]

Fragile X would only condone this if it were women Bill DeMott was slugging.

[Fignuts]

One day Bill Demott will try this on the wrong guy, someone like Brock Lesnar when bob holly bullied him or whatever or some MMA guy who will really end up hurting DeMott...

live by the sword and die by the sword.

Think this is the first post I've seen you make that doesn't reference CHW in some way. More of this, please.

[Bad News Gertner]

What a bunch of whiny bitches.

I remember my first day of training with the great Hiro Matsuda. He broke my fucking leg on my first day. Didn't even have a chance to hit the ropes. But you know what? I came back a few months later and showed Matsuda that I was no pushover. These pussies need to grow some balls and learn a lesson from me.

[Shisen Kopf]

Thsee wimps who are whining wussies should work together and whoop his wide ass. That should shut up that suck ass son of a bitch. Hugh Morris? More like Huge Fatass amirite??

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

I think there's a difference between the "quirky" moodiness of Bob Holly, who was simply a mean hardass, vs the sadistic Bill Demott. Potatoing a perfectly healthy athlete to send a message, while kind of stupid, is different to terrorizing the younger talents in a sadistic manner.

[Jordan]

I can totally see all of this about Demott being true. He has hints of this kind of behavoir on the tough enough show.

[Emperor Smeat]

Another wrestler (Terra Calaway) recently spoke out against Demott's training habits and slurs.

"As someone who has been bullied my entire childhood and even more so now as an adult, I stand behind those who do something about it.

At a training seminar, where students paid $100 a person to be in the ring and learn, I witnessed DeMott call a Middle Eastern trainee "Aladdin", "terrorist", and "fat fuck" multiple times. During a bump drill that was nowhere near safe for a green trainee to be doing, he just embarrassed and humiliated him. When anyone else did the drill correctly, he'd turn to this guy and just bash him. When I did the drill, he said "Look even the girl can bump better than the terrorist!". This continued to the end of the session where he told everyone good job, except this guy, and told him to "fucking quit and go back to building bombs." It was completely uncalled for and made everyone uncomfortable.

This guy spent his hard earned money to learn from someone, to get better only to be told to quit and have all these names and insults thrown at him. I have been, and continue to be, bullied and I cannot just keep quiet when the world is finally trying to do something about it. To fix it. To save lives.

Even with me, he screamed at me from across the venue asking why I was not in the seminar. I arrived 30 min before it was scheduled to end and at the time did not have the funds. He continued to yell from across the venue at me as if I had done something wrong but I got in there for the last bit and did it without warming up, without stretching, just so I wouldn't continue to be shouted at for no reason at all. It's just sad that this is what people have come to. That's all I have to say.

This was all like 5-6 years ago, before I had ever stepped foot in a ring to wrestle. It was a long time ago, but some things never change."

[KIRA]

I think there's a difference between the "quirky" moodiness of Bob Holly, who was simply a mean hardass, vs the sadistic Bill Demott. Potatoing a perfectly healthy athlete to send a message, while kind of stupid, is different to terrorizing the younger talents in a sadistic manner.

I was about to say Bob holly is a tough bastard if he's saying Demott is crossing the line then it must be really bad.

Where the fuck does Demott get off calling other people fat?

Really wish someone who isn't a former WWE talent would speak up.

[Emperor Smeat]

Bill Demott no longer the head trainer of NXT and resigned from the WWE.

I deny the recent allegations made about me, however, to avoid any embarrassment or damage to the WWE, I've decided to step down from my role effective immediately.
www.twitlonger.com/show/niv902

PWInsider.com has confirmed with sources within WWE has DeMott has "resigned completely" from the company.

[Innovator]

"I deny the recent allegations made about me, however, to avoid any embarrassment or damage to the WWE, I've decided to step down from my role effective immediately."

DeMott resigns from his position via the twitter

[Ruien]

Didn't really expect that to happen. Glad it did.

[road doggy dogg]

wow

[Innovator]

Yeah I thought they'd pressure him into it, but not this quickly.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>He would have fought resigning if he truly didn't do anything. He knows he's guilty and just sped up the inevitable.</font>

[Nark Order]

Holy shit. Progress never happens this quickly in the WWE.

[The Destroyer]

"I deny the recent allegations made about me, however, to avoid any embarrassment or damage to the WWE, I've decided to step down from my role effective immediately."

DeMott resigns from his position via the twitter

aka "I did it"

[Nark Order]

I think WWE saw the snowball rolling downhill and got really nervous. It starts with one letter and then tons more follow. The stories started piling up too much to ignore. I'm willing to bet they offered him an opportunity to step down because him being fired would have made him look guilty

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>"I Didn't Try to Get Enzo Amore to Commit Suicide but if I Did Here's How I'd Do it: The Bill DeMott Memoirs"</font>

[CSL]

great news

[road doggy dogg]

I think WWE saw the snowball rolling downhill and got really nervous. It starts with one letter and then tons more follow. The stories started piling up too much to ignore. I'm willing to bet they offered him an opportunity to step down because him being fired would have made him look guilty

like this?

http://www.reddit.com/r/SquaredCircle/comments/2y5iiv/bill_demott_and_sexual_harassment_coverup/

[road doggy dogg]

I personally find this entire situation very hugh morris :lol: :rofl:

[Emperor Smeat]

Wouldn't be surprised if the strength coach gets fired as well now that more and more people have been speaking out about the bad stuff occurring in development.

[Nark Order]

like this?

http://www.reddit.com/r/SquaredCircle/comments/2y5iiv/bill_demott_and_sexual_harassment_coverup/

Holy shit.

This might have the potential to make national news.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>The stuff about getting fired for speaking out is really despicable, but goes in line with what we've though all along. Frankly if I was Vince, Triple H, or whoever's call it is to make - I'd just fire anyone and everyone involved in trying to cover DeMott. Especially now with sexual harrassment allegations getting thrown into the mix as well. Just clear out anybody involved as it's the only way to try and mitigate a PR disaster. If you were involved, you're out.</font>

[Ultra Mantis]

Wouldn't be surprised if the strength coach gets fired as well now that more and more people have been speaking out about the bad stuff occurring in development.

I was under the impression DeMott is the strength coach they were referring to.

[Ultra Mantis]

According to Reddit its some dude called Matt Wichlinkski though.

[Innovator]

Pretty sure in one of the accounts made public recently, someone said Paige had a complaint against that guy too

[KIRA]

I love the internet

good riddance

[Corporate CockSnogger]

like this?

http://www.reddit.com/r/SquaredCircle/comments/2y5iiv/bill_demott_and_sexual_harassment_coverup/

That's more like it.

[DAMN iNATOR]

I love the internet

good riddance

LOL, yeah fuck that guy.

[owenbrown]

http://deadspin.com/wwe-trainer-resigns-after-allegations-of-abusing-wrestl-1689886693?utm_campaign=socialflow_deadspin_facebook&utm_source=deadspin_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow

[Jordan]

They are putting Matt Bloom as the interim trainer. Why the fuck can't they get a great worker for this job? They want their roster to look like John Cena and Roman Reigns and their inspirations are supposed to be fat mid carders who have never had a memorable performance in their career.

[Fignuts]

What does his look have to do with training guys how to wrestle?

And Bloom is a great worker. It's not his fault creative botched his return.

[CSL]

yeah, don't see anything wrong with that "appointment" at all

[Lock Jaw]

http://i.imgur.com/FII1z.gif

[Innovator]

She french fried when she should have pizzad

[Jordan]

What does his look have to do with training guys how to wrestle?

And Bloom is a great worker. It's not his fault creative botched his return.

No he's not a great worker, I understand why you might think that, he seems like a nice guy, but he's not a great worker. Even in Japan, I don't think he was a great worker.

[Jordan]

If you are busting peoples ass to get into WWE Shape, maybe you should practice what you preach and not be a fat ass yourself.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Wow, didn't think anything would actually be done about this. I thought the company would defend DeMott to the death. I mean, why would they hire him in the first place? He always seemed like a surreal pick to me, to be honest -- given that his WWE run was quite minimal. If I were the sort of person he has been accused of, I'd suggest he must give a good blowjob.

Matt Bloom seems like a fine pick for head trainer right now. Being the head trainer doesn't mean you're the best worker ever. There's far more that goes into it.

[Ruien]

Have to agree with Fragile X. If I went to a gym and I was in better shape than the trainer I would look at the trainer and be like, "Seriously? This should be the other way around."

[Fignuts]

No he's not a great worker, I understand why you might think that, he seems like a nice guy, but he's not a great worker. Even in Japan, I don't think he was a great worker.

I didn't care for him at all either for most of his first WWE run. But the whole year before he left, he was showing a lot of improvement, and was putting on some surprisingly good matches. He continued to improve in Japan, and had a lot of great tag matches in particular. When he came back he had a few really great matches with Sheamus and Kofi before his whole push was dropped.

This whole position isn't even about WORKRATE or putting on 5-star Meltzer rated classics. As Noid said, there's more to it than that. You're there to learn the fundamentals, and how matches in the WWE work. You're not there to become the next HBK within a matter of weeks.

Don't know what him being a nice guy has to do with anything. You keep bringing up all this stuff that's irrelevant.

[Fignuts]

lol alright I guess guys like Samoa Joe and Bray Wyatt are terrible workers, because they aren't CUT.

DO THEY EVEN LIFT, BRO?

[Mr. Nerfect]

Have to agree with Fragile X. If I went to a gym and I was in better shape than the trainer I would look at the trainer and be like, "Seriously? This should be the other way around."

Even if your trainer was once in great shape, understood the best way to train, had a long list of guys who got into fantastic shape underneath him, and was put into the position by a company that has a bunch of guys that are in great shape they could insert into it? Come on, now.

[Mr. Nerfect]

There are other trainers at the Performance Centre. They still have their jobs and each bring something to the table. It's not like the head trainer is the only guy you work with. I imagine a large part of what the head trainer does is to co-ordinate training, as well. Maybe they is a strength Bloom has that a lot of the other coaches don't have, or don't want to focus on as opposed to what they already do?

[Bad News Gertner]

No he's not a great worker, I understand why you might think that, he seems like a nice guy, but he's not a great worker. Even in Japan, I don't think he was a great worker.

Such a ridiculous statement. Johnny Rodz who was a jobber is one of the greatest trainers of all time. A decent worker. As was Larry Sharpe who runs The Monster Factory.

[Emperor Smeat]

Bloom is a good fit as a head trainer or at least as a temporary one. All he would mainly doing is fundamentals and maybe motivational stuff since the other trainers handle the specialist stuff. Him being fat or not having a great WWE career wouldn't impact those two areas.

Demott's problem was he managed to be horrible at everything he was in charge of at NXT. Horrible as a conditioning coach which is why he got demoted before, horrible at motivational help which is where a lot of the abuse occurred, and really horrible at teaching fundamentals.

[Bad News Gertner]

Hell, you want to talk about trainers who weren't "ripped", look at how many wrestlers trained by Afa and Sika

JYD
Paul Orndorff
Bam Bam Bigelow
Yokozuna
Michael Hayes
Sherri Martel
And so on

[Jordan]

I don't think Mat Bloom will be a bad trainer, I'm sure he will be fine. I do think that someone like a Lance Storm or Booker T would be a much better fit for head trainer. Someone who is highly respected as a worker, and also knows what it takes to keep the desired look of a WWE performer on the road.

I like Matt Bloom on commentary, and I know nothing of his coaching skills. I don't think he was a standout worker, which is why I question the choice, given that WWE has so many talents under their wing who still have the whole package.

If Matt Bloom is the best guy they have for the job then I'm glad they chose him.

I know that guys like Lance Storm and Booker T have their own businesses and aren't really available for the job. But I would have been more impressed to get a top notch worker in the job.

I think it would be a valid argument that if any training facility should ever have a trainer who has drawn money to train the guys (something the majority of schools don't have), WWE would be the place.

[Jordan]

Also if I had my way Taz would quit TNA and be the head trainer at NXT and do commentary.

[Bad News Gertner]

Just making it to the WWE is huge. Bloom has been exposed to a ton of different styles. Lots of coaches in sports didn't even play in the bigs, but still managed to be great. Scotty Bowman is the greatest coach in NHL history and he can barely skate

[Jordan]

I actually don't know if anyone has given Booker T high remarks as a trainer and I don't know if any of his guys have gone on to any big companies, anyone know?

[Jordan]

Just making it to the WWE is huge. Bloom has been exposed to a ton of different styles.

That is a good point. He has worked basic WWE matches for years, including a lot of comedy stuff, and has his experience with big slams in Japan. Not a bad point.

Again I don't think he will be bad. I am just surprised WWE doesn't hire someone who is more in shape to inspire the workers to work hard on their bodies. As well as, using someone who has drawn money and had remarkable matches.

[Jordan]

Overall I am glad that Demott was gone. I knew he was an asshole from his Tough Enough appearances and what happened at Deep South. I can totally imagine the environment he would create, probably thinking that was the type of hell Vince McMahon wanted the workers to endure, and it probably is.

[Fignuts]

They have separate coaches for that. Bloom's job has nothing to do with that part of it.

Even if it did, as countless veterans have said, there is a huge difference between being in shape, and being in ring shape. Bloom may look fat, but I guarantee you that there are hundreds of guys out there that look like they're in way better shape, but would blow up in the ring way sooner than Bloom would.

[Bad News Gertner]

And I disagree with Albert not being a good worker. I've always been a fan and thoughtbhe was a great big man worker, just lacked personality. He had an awesome big man moveset. Just never connected with the fans. I'd take Albert on my roster any day.

[Bad News Gertner]

They have separate coaches for that. Bloom's job has nothing to do with that part of it.

Even if it did, as countless veterans have said, there is a huge difference between being in shape, and being in ring shape. Bloom may look fat, but I guarantee you that there are hundreds of guys out there that look like they're in way better shape, but would blow up in the ring way sooner than Bloom would.

Dusty Rhodes was a fat piece of shit who was who of the greatest ever. Countless one hour draws with Race and Flair.

[Bad News Gertner]

Overall I am glad that Demott was gone. I knew he was an asshole from his Tough Enough appearances and what happened at Deep South. I can totally imagine the environment he would create, probably thinking that was the type of hell Vince McMahon wanted the workers to endure, and it probably is.

I also think Bloom being head trainer is a good Public Relations move. I've never heard any bad stories about him, he never been in trouble with the law, wasn't involved with steroids or drugs. He's a safe pick.

[Dark One]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>The texts I'm getting from my friends from NXT right now are basically along the lines of &quot;We got Bin Laden&quot; levels of emotional release</p>&mdash; Max Landis (@Uptomyknees) <a href="https://twitter.com/Uptomyknees/status/573976078315728896">March 6, 2015</a></blockquote>
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[XL]

Is it safe to assume that Regal turned down the role of Head Coach?

Can't see why you'd appoint DeMott or anybody else if you had William Regal down there already. Universally respected, wrestled all over the world, knows the fundamentals, is already down there.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Like Gertner said Bloom is a safe pick. He's seems like he is a nice guy who will be firm but fair.

Regal might just be too old to commit to something as physical as that.

They would probably have kept DeMott if not for the sexual harassment issues. They seem to want a drill instructor-like atmosphere.

[GD]

I am glad that Bill DeMott is gone. Disappointed in how WWE's investigations found the allegations to be false.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Is it safe to assume that Regal turned down the role of Head Coach?

Can't see why you'd appoint DeMott or anybody else if you had William Regal down there already. Universally respected, wrestled all over the world, knows the fundamentals, is already down there.

Maybe Regal already does a lot down there and isn't suited to being removed from his current duties?

[Nark Order]

They should pay Lance Storm a lot of money to leave his school and become the head trainer.

[Innovator]

Lance Storm is great, but he was never in X-Factor

[VSG]

Those sexual harassment charges brought up by the Diva makes me wonder if that had anything to do with Audrey Marie and her sudden dismissal even as she was slated to be Sister Abigail (or something similar) in a bigger Wyatt Family.

[Bad News Gertner]

From what I've read, Regal's job is to go around the world scouting talent. That's equally as important to the company.

[JimmyMess]

I am glad that Bill DeMott is gone. Disappointed in how WWE's investigations found the allegations to be false.

That's the official statement. but This smells very much like Hunter or Vince going to Bill saying "You have to quit so we don't have fire you"

[Hanso Amore]

If you are busting peoples ass to get into WWE Shape, maybe you should practice what you preach and not be a fat ass yourself.

Man thank god Phil Jackson and bill belichek and John wooden were such great athletes and in such amazing shape or else they would have been horrible teachers

[Emperor Smeat]

Those sexual harassment charges brought up by the Diva makes me wonder if that had anything to do with Audrey Marie and her sudden dismissal even as she was slated to be Sister Abigail (or something similar) in a bigger Wyatt Family.

Been rumored or assumed for a while that was very likely the case. Either she complained or other people complaining on her behalf led to her getting fired.

4th person in the list:
http://lastwordonsports.com/2015/03/04/bill-demott-allegations-terrible-trainer-person-persist/

[VSG]

What a massive shame, she really had it all and it affected the original plans for the 6-8 member Wyatt Family

[Vastardikai]

The worst thing about the Sexual Harassment allegations is that, depending on jurisdiction, Independent Contractors aren't protected under the law.

Which seems to go back to the misclassification of the WWE's workers.

[GD]

Remember this?


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Hey <a href="https://twitter.com/BillDeMott">@BillDeMott</a> nothing like forcing your MALE TALENT TO TRAIN BUTT NAKED WHILE YOU WATCH AND LAUGH! Pic included. <a href="http://t.co/P3njoCME">pic.twitter.com/P3njoCME</a></p>&mdash; Kevin Matthews (@2CockyKM) <a href="https://twitter.com/2CockyKM/status/276156717438488576">December 5, 2012</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Mr. Nerfect]

Yeah, it's pretty hard to argue with that.

[Mr. Nerfect]

From what I've read, Regal's job is to go around the world scouting talent. That's equally as important to the company.

This is true. I read that he was a scout. It's a pretty important role. In addition to that, I'm sure Regal helps in almost every other area of a talent's development as well. To be head coach on top of that? Pretty exhausting.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Those sexual harassment charges brought up by the Diva makes me wonder if that had anything to do with Audrey Marie and her sudden dismissal even as she was slated to be Sister Abigail (or something similar) in a bigger Wyatt Family.

I thought of her too. It's a shame, because I quite liked Audrey Marie. I thought she had a fair bit of charisma for a female talent at her level. I wonder if the company will ever reach out to her again?

[KIRA]

I am glad that Bill DeMott is gone. Disappointed in how WWE's investigations found the allegations to be false.

I'm not even convinced their investigation was that thorough or serious

I keep hoping for some PR disaster to expose the WWE(It seems like they are really crooked) but they seem to skate by every time.

[GD]

Jamie Noble and Joey Mercury should start the Stamford Investigation Agency, solely to dismiss all the accusations made to The Authority. All of the allegations made by disgruntled current employees are false and have no grounds.

[KIRA]

They did something like that on TV once with Kane conducting an investigation.

When ever I see the words internal investigation my bullshit sense goes off especially with this company.

[loopydate]

Lance Storm is great, but he was never in X-Factor

Bloom does have everything they ever wanted. And now he's gonna give that back. I know you hated X-Factor, but you ain't gotta look at him like that.

[KIRA]

That song was just one more reason to hate X-pac it's like they knew it sucked.

[GD]

Uncle Cracker for life :yes:

[el bobbo]

Remember this?


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Hey <a href="https://twitter.com/BillDeMott">@BillDeMott</a> nothing like forcing your MALE TALENT TO TRAIN BUTT NAKED WHILE YOU WATCH AND LAUGH! Pic included. <a href="http://t.co/P3njoCME">pic.twitter.com/P3njoCME</a></p>&mdash; Kevin Matthews (@2CockyKM) <a href="https://twitter.com/2CockyKM/status/276156717438488576">December 5, 2012</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>


Jesus fuck christ. That's fraternity hazing shit.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Jim Ross has come out and basically written a "back in my day" blog about the issue.

[erickman]

Jim Ross has come out and basically written a "back in my day" blog about the issue.

yeah I am ready for the oldtimer podcasts next week taz already piped in. lets see what piper stonecold and jr say.

[KIRA]

Jim Ross has come out and basically written a "back in my day" blog about the issue.

Yea I dunno how to feel about that. He seems to share Vince's train of thought that we're all entitled whining millennials and it seems like even though he issued disclaimers throughout the blog that he supports the shit Demott pulled as it would toughen you up.
I love J.R. but man oh man.

[Vastardikai]

I think there's a couple things someone should point out to Mr. Ross.

1. Back in his day, they barely knew what a concussion was, let alone what the long term effects of them were.

2. It is no longer his day. Times change. Some things that were perfectly alright in his day, are no longer cool. Hazing is one of those things that are going the way of prohibition. There's a way to separate the wheat from the chaff, but sadistic abuse is not an acceptable way to do so.

And I'm not even one of those folks who are opposed to roughing folks up to get a point across. I had no problem with what Holly did to Capotelli. But there's a difference between stretching someone or roughing someone up and what Laughing Man was doing. I'm pretty sure Hiro Matsuda wasn't slapping his students on their broken leg.

[Fignuts]

Yeah, really disappointed in J.R.

[KIRA]

Well then allow me to withdraw my sympathy for J.R. being mocked for his Bells Palsy cause you know people mocking your physical ailment is just to toughen you up.

[XL]

JR isn't really known for his progressive attitude towards the business, but it's still disappointing to see him back these asinine actions.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>I can't say I'm surprised. JR is pretty out of touch on a lot of things.</font>

[Tazz Dan]

Just came in to talk about JR, but all my points have been touched on. Pretty poor form on JR's behalf.

[James Steele]

I wonder if JR made the foolish mistake of not fully researching the extent of DeMott's actions. I don't see how anybody can defend him. This is beyond tough love and ribbing.

[Emperor Smeat]

Not surprised he'd have an old school mentality about the idea of toughening up rookies even though he did say he was completely against the abuse part of it.

Him trying to compare Demott's abuse with Peterson's child abuse as just a generational difference thing was a really bad example.

[McLegend]

All older wrestlers/personalities are going to defend Bill DeMott.

[KIRA]

I dunno. Aren't there some old school tough bastards saying he went way too far?
And I keep seeing tweets defending this dude suggesting this is all made up I'm always amazed at the horrible stuff people try to justify. There is such a huge difference between being hard on people and just being an abusive, sadistic, asshole. Pretty sure people wouldn't complain if he was just hard on them.

[McLegend]

JR's blog isn't that bad.

[Emperor Smeat]

I dunno aren't there some old school hard asses saying he went way too far?

Supposedly Harley Race hates Demott's training system but hasn't gone out in public saying it. Some developmental wrestlers went to him asking for advice and he was pissed to hear what was going on.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

It's wrestling school. It's not supposed to be boot camp. If DeMott wants to be a drill instructor he can enlist.

[BigCrippyZ]

If all this is true, this is really despicable.

I'm all for pushing the trainees to the limits physically, as long as it doesn't become dangerous or risk the health or safety of any of the superstars or trainers. That being said, there's absolutely no need to intentionally, negligently or recklessly risk injury or re-injury to a potential superstar as has been alleged.

Also, there's no need to mock or make fun of anyone who may be different or have a different background from what's considered "normal." This is supposed to be a professional environment in a publicly traded company run by adults, not a school yard or high school locker room. That's just plain bullying, which I thought WWE was AGAINST.

Also, if someone's really struggling or just not cutting it, there's no need to mock, scream, humiliate or embarrass them for it. Simply pull them aside and discuss the situation with them. If it's that big of an issue or becomes one, then give them fair warning and release or fire the superstar.

That being said, there's just NO excuse for allowing or covering up sexual harassment or abuse by any employee or superstar.

[Tom Guycott]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>I love/sacrificed for pro wrestling.
A Hart can stretch me any day.
A know nothing dipshit slapping me when I'm concussed is different.</p>&mdash; ec3™ (@EthanCarterTNA) <a href="https://twitter.com/EthanCarterTNA/status/573002341944848384">March 4, 2015</a></blockquote>
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The American Icon actually sums up the situation quite well.

Another way to look at this: imagine if when HHH tore his quad in that match, if someone with veteran status like a Harley Race came up to him in the back and started slapping him in the thigh and calling him a lazy pussy.

If you can't see a difference in tough love and sadistic abuse, you're likely doing it wrong, and General Rection seemed to not have any distinction between the two. There is no tangible lesson to be learned from being singled out and ridden constantly, training naked, or asked to do unneccessarily dangerous shit that can get you hurt in a business where your body health is already on the line in "perfect" conditions.

[#1-norm-fan]

Chris Jericho tweeted and then deleted...

"Hey @BillDeMott is a good friend & great trainer. If u can’t handle it then quit. My training at #HartBrothers camp was 10,000 times worse!"

Classy

[GD]

EC3's "response" to Chris Jericho was pretty solid. I would love to here them talk in podcast format.

[#1-norm-fan]

I would too. I feel like Jericho deleting his tweet though was his way of saying "Nevermind, I don't wanna defend this stance" though so I doubt it will happen.

[GD]

Jericho taking a page out of Guru Dave's book :yes:

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

I would too. I feel like Jericho deleting his tweet though was his way of saying "Nevermind, I don't wanna defend this stance" though so I doubt it will happen.

He probably deleted it after the sexual hazing stuff was talked about. Being stretched by Stu was probably harder than anything Bill DeMott gave this trainees except for the sexual harassment.

[Big Vic]

It's wrestling school. It's not supposed to be boot camp. If DeMott wants to be a drill instructor he can enlist.
Drill instructors are not allowed to slap people with concussions.

[Big Vic]

He probably deleted it after the sexual hazing stuff was talked about. Being stretched by Stu was probably harder than anything Bill DeMott gave this trainees except for the sexual harassment.
Jericho was stretched by Stu? Maybe he should file a sexual harassment suit against the Hart family.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Jericho was stretched by Stu? Maybe he should file a sexual harassment suit against the Hart family.

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[Mr. Nerfect]

JR has come out again and basically said "Geez, you misunderstood me. I wasn't saying that what went down there was good -- I'm against it. I just meant that kids are pussies and need a beating occasionally and...and...fuck it."

[Mr. Nerfect]

Didn't Jim Cornette get fired for slapping Santino Marella or something? He probably should have forced him to put his ass in Katie Lea's face and he might have kept his job.

[Mr. Nerfect]

This thread is getting a bit dark, so here is some Katie Lea to brighten it up:

http://www.lethalwow.com/images3/katie-lea-10.jpg

[Jordan]

She is not hot bro

[Lock Jaw]

She is

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-kbeTLHWppE0/UEkj6OMmGdI/AAAAAAAAF8k/Bexio4S9lgY/s1600/Winter.jpg

[road doggy dogg]

THANK GOD

DeMott gets sensitivity training, returns as Hugh Manitarian (http://www.kayfabenews.com/demott-undergoes-sensitivity-training-returns-hugh-manitarian/)
March 12, 2015

Former WWE trainer Bill DeMott, who left the company amid allegations of harsh and insensitive coaching methods, insists he is “a new man” after sensitivity training, and will return under the moniker Hugh Manitarian.

DeMott has been reinstated as head trainer at WWE’s Performance Centre, where he insists he will employ a “holistic, meditative, and inclusive” regimen that “empowers up-and-coming talent to embrace and nurture their inner superstars.”

Gone are the days, DeMott insists, of verbally berating opponents while they perform dozens of flat-back bumps to the point of vomitous exhaustion.

Demott, who once portrayed the character of Hugh Morris, insists that his new persona of Hugh Manitarian will encourage wrestlers to seek peaceful conflict resolution through dialogue rather than bodyslams and verbal abuse.

“Violence is never the answer,” he told a class of NXT stars this morning. “The only way to truly get ‘over’ in this world is through kindness and understanding.”

While many WWE trainees say they prefer this gentler incarnation of DeMott, some wonder how long it will be before he transforms into Hugh Jasshole.

[Bad News Gertner]

She is

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-kbeTLHWppE0/UEkj6OMmGdI/AAAAAAAAF8k/Bexio4S9lgY/s1600/Winter.jpg


Ew, no. She's British. Automatically makes her a 3 out of 10

[Shisen Kopf]

Paige and the titty honking is more than a 3/10

[Mr. Nerfect]

Winter. :love: