Describe what makes Kevin Owens a badass and not a fat neckbeard w/ a beer gut

[slik]

I've seen him wrestle but many have not and they think he looks like a HABM. Describe for them how he isn't just some fat dude in basketball shorts and a wife beater.

[Anybody Thrilla]

It's really more of a cutoff t-shirt than a wifebeater.

[Ruien]

That is the guy who came out last week during the Cena segment right? He needs to become a lackey for Wyatt.

[Anybody Thrilla]

Owens exudes an air of believability, from both a promo and in-ring standpoint. He may not be the most buff dude on the block, but you probably wouldn't fuck with him in a bar. He's goal-oriented and non-remorseful, which makes him dangerous.

I dunno, why was Mantaur a threat to anyone?

[Dukelorange]

Well where do I begin?

We are entering a stage in wrestling where the wrestlers are starting to be smaller than what they used to be. They don't have to have the classic look of a wrestler anymore. Paige and AJ are different as well as Lita on the women's side. On the men's side, Daniel Bryan, Neville, and Dolph Ziggler.

Wrestlers are getting called up for the sake of wrestling. They are performers that they can market in a specific role. Enzo Amore is NOT. A prototype wrestler, but his performance and charisma is so off he charts is makes up for it.

The same can be made about Ceasro, he's not big on the charisma, but he makes up for it with what he can do in the ring that the average person can get behind.

Lastly every Superman needs a Lex Luthor. Cena can't be an effective hero without an effective villain. KO is fitting that bill. Someone stated that he's being treated like Brock Lesnar with mic skills. He plays the role of a villain very well. And the extra stuff he does and the fact he says he does it for his family gives him layers of character.

Most people don't go that deep, but what do,I know...

[road doggy dogg]

#dadbod

[CSL]

promo/segment with Cena on RAW was hot shit. End of the Zayn match/the bit with Joe was hot shit. His stuff with Zayn and Riley before was hot shit. I think the answer is "because he is hot shit".

[Bad News Gertner]

He's a fat mother fucker wrestling for a sandwich.

[Anybody Thrilla]

Fuck up, Gertner. You're the one always talking about how we need more fat wrestlers.

[Nicky Fives]

Owens exudes an air of believability, from both a promo and in-ring standpoint. He may not be the most buff dude on the block, but you probably wouldn't fuck with him in a bar. He's goal-oriented and non-remorseful, which makes him dangerous.



Well said and sums up my thoughts quite effectively and eloquently..... His passion is also very evident, he didn't fall into wrestling like some, he was a fan since he was a kid, living his lifelong dream.... should he ever turn face, he has that going for him as well....

[road doggy dogg]

That's worked out super well for The Miz

[Anybody Thrilla]

I'd argue that The Miz is doing quite well for himself.

[Vastardikai]

There are his motivations: Part of it is bitterness at getting passed over for so long before he got his moment. Part of it is his wanting to get what he wants to support his family, everything and everyone else be damned.

He believes everything that he says, which helps make the guy special on the mic. He's a fat guy in a business that has been short on fat guys lately. And despite being a fat guy, he can go very well.

All put together, he could be the best heel foil for Cena since Edge or Punk, if they let him.

[slik]

Help explain:

Does he do typical 'fat guy' wrestler moves such as: Big Splash, Bear Hug, sit on his opponent like Earthquake/Yokozuna, The Nerve Pinch, Brain Chop, etc.

[Anybody Thrilla]

Cannonball...I mean, I have you not watched any of his matches? What's your angle here, slik?

[Big Vic]

Describe what makes Kevin Owens a badass and not a fat neckbeard w/ a beer gut

Because he delivered a good promo on Monday

[Bad News Gertner]

Fuck up, Gertner. You're the one always talking about how we need more fat wrestlers.

Lol where did you read that I was putting him down. Nothing wrong with a fat mother fucker wrestling.for a sandwich.

[slik]

Describe if he gets winded easily or 'blows up' after a certain time (like 10 minutes into the match, etc).

[KIRA]

His promos are so matter of fact and he never really yells nor is he even that forceful when he gives them(though he can be) but at the same time they carry across the idea that he is an extremely dangerous opponent. Its almost impossible to hate his motivations but at the same time he is a dick.

Pretty damn complex wrestler I could go on forever.

[Anybody Thrilla]

Lol where did you read that I was putting him down. Nothing wrong with a fat mother fucker wrestling.for a sandwich.

You'd have to be a bit out of touch to not realize that your post read as if you were deucing on him. Don't be silly.

[Corporate CockSnogger]

I asked this question in the casual forum after seeing some gifs of him standing over John Cena. Mick Foley was believable as a fat guy because he was legit crazy and would kill himself to win a match. Usually fat guys are also really tall so they're just general big units like Viscera. This guy doesn't seem tall. Just kinda looks like a redneck wrestling fan or something.

[Emperor Smeat]

His badassery revolves around how well he's played the arrogant bully character.

He's not the sore loser or random attack variety Sheamus has been but more calculated with his bullying. Tries to goad people into feeling sympathetic towards him because all he wants to do is provide for his family but shows no sympathy for others well being.

Him being calm with promos could be explained as either him trying to lull the other guy into a cheap shot (ex. Cena) or knows its not worth the effort to get into a shouting match when he's just going to beat the crap out of the guy in the ring (ex. Riley, Zayn).

[Corporate CockSnogger]

Is he a "good promo?" Not like CM Punk whining style that everyone loves though. Actually entertaining?

[Corporate CockSnogger]

Just mostly imagining an angry Seth Rogen and that seems terrible

[Hanso Amore]

I can deal with the fat gut if he would just life some fucking weights and have some arms that don't look like jello.

I can buy fat guy that's a strong good fighter but he just is a lard ass doing moves.

[Hanso Amore]

He's the new chris hero where I just don't get how you can go day in and out at the performance center and not be in any better shape.

[Simple Fan]

His in ring work is enough proof. I wouldn't call him or Samoa Joe fat. They are bulky dudes that can be elusive in the ring. He has pretty much the same build as Wyatt and no one calls him fat. I wouldn't even call Henery fat. Now Viscera and Yokozuna were fat.

[Ruien]

Triple A......................

[Ruien]

Why do we allow this?

Triple A......................

[Innovator]

His in ring work is enough proof. I wouldn't call him or Samoa Joe fat. They are bulky dudes that can be elusive in the ring. He has pretty much the same build as Wyatt and no one calls him fat. I wouldn't even call Henery fat. Now Viscera and Yokozuna were fat.

Wyatt also wears a body shaper

[road doggy dogg]

His in ring work is enough proof. I wouldn't call him or Samoa Joe fat. They are bulky dudes that can be elusive in the ring. He has pretty much the same build as Wyatt and no one calls him fat. I wouldn't even call Henery fat. Now Viscera and Yokozuna were fat.

nobody calls Wyatt and Mark Henry fat

what

[Simple Fan]

I wouldn't they are bulky but not fat in my eyes.

[The Destroyer]

Wyatt did used to be pretty porky.

[Corporate CockSnogger]

He's def fat. He at least has to lean forward a fair bit to see his own penis.

[dingdongyo]

Wikipedia says he wasn't always fat. So... there's that.

[Corporate CockSnogger]

On the one small but of next I saw one time. There was a tag team and one of them was huge. Other guy was pretty small. Are they planning on pushing the huge guy? Seems like the perfect WWE guy.

Reminded me of a cross between Edge and Test.

[road doggy dogg]

On the one small but of next I saw one time.

wat

[Corporate CockSnogger]

Gd autocorrect.

On the one small bit of nxt I saw one time.

[The Destroyer]

Probably Big Cass. Without Enzo, I dunno if he's got much to get over with.

[Corporate CockSnogger]

Yeah that's the guy. The little one seemed pretty charismatic. Could prob get them on the roster as a team then have "big Cass" go solo after a year or so.

[DAMN iNATOR]

That's just a fan's definition of fat? LOL, go look up Happy Humphrey and "Haystacks" Calhoun and then talk about fat wrestlers.

[Simple Fan]

I didn't say they were fat only Viscera and Yokozuna I called fat. Bulky or husky in Wyatt's case but not fat.

[Corporate CockSnogger]

Kevin Owens vs Kane Knight in a belly bumping match.

[The Destroyer]

I do think Owens is looking a bit porkier than when he first started. Better watch that.

[Bad News Gertner]

Lol remember when Matt Hardy came back to the WWE with his gut hanging over his tights?

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

He's a Canadian who doesn't say he's sorry. Already the most bad ass Canadian ever.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Lol remember when Matt Hardy came back to the WWE with his gut hanging over his tights?

MATT HARDY WILL NOT DIET!

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Some guys are just believable, he's one of them.

[#1-norm-fan]

I'm a fan. He's not the typical generic ROH guy. He's got a legit badass vibe to him and on top of that he's got the rasslin' skillz to appeal to the smarks. What's not to love? Of course when they give him a streak and then start jobbing him out constantly when he gets on the main brand like they tend to do, I'll stop giving a fuck. But for now, he's awesome.

[Droford]

He's the Common Man's Brock Lesnar

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

I'd agree with Fan, he definite has an air of badass lingering on him. He carries himself like he believes in himself, and I would not cross him in a back ally.

[Hanso Amore]

I dig the character and his mannerisms.

But my god just hit some weights. He could be a legit star. But it's harder to cross into the casual fan base when you look like you are a cook at buffalo wild wings

[#1-norm-fan]

Like 90% of the guys the IWC wants to see pushed look like that. At least he comes off as a cook who could kick someone's ass.

[Mr. Nerfect]

He's gritty. He's not your usual cartoony heel. He's a dick that says all these reassuring things about his family and this being just a day at the office. In the ring, he muscles guys around effectively enough that he does look credible. He also pulls off some pretty athletic stuff, so it's not fair to say that he is out of shape, even if he looks it. He's built his body for practicality, and not for fashion.

The dude might not look like a bad-ass, but he is a bad-ass. Aesthetically, the dude doesn't even wear proper wrestling attire. He just puts on his fighting clothes and goes and fights. There's an accessibility there that people can latch onto.

Plus he's a great chickenshit heel. It doesn't always make sense for a bad-ass to run from his opponents, but the way Owens does it makes it seem like strategy, with a little aura of "maybe this guy can beat me if I'm not careful." He sells his opponents in the ring, even as he cockily no-sells them on the microphone.

I haven't been as into the act as others, but I'm genuinely excited to see him work with Cena. I think he's an anti-Cena type that we haven't seen before. I think they could become great rivals. And the dude has apparently got himself into better shape, and he likely will continue to do so as he goes on.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Vince and Kevin Dunn obviously believe in him enough. He's enough of a "different vibe" that he actually somewhat meets their "eye test."

[Damian Rey]

After his promo on Cena, very easy to believe he wasn't running from Joe, just waiting for the chance to make it matter, aka paid appearance. Owens' character wouldn't mix it up with Samoa Joe for free after a title defense. The man has to support his family after all.

[Damian Rey]

But yes, the practicality of his character, the way he carries himself both on the mic and through ring work makes me a believer. He stood eye to eye with Cena, in front of arguably the largest American audience in his career, and sold himself like he'd been there the whole time. He's a natural.

Not to mention, he'll turn face at some point, and when he does the same shit bag heel that makes you hate will be easy to get behind when he does turn.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I really think that a Kevin Owens vs. Tyler Breeze feud could be money. I have no clue who I'd rather see play the face and the heel, but the dynamic there could be easily mined.

[Damian Rey]

Could have Owens destroy Breeze's face via punches, face stomps, maybe a belt shot, and put him out for a while. The beating ruins Breeze's face, costing him, for now, his modeling career, endorsements, etc. His life falls apart while being on the shelf. He returns with a vengeance against Owens. You can redo his model gimmick from there and move him up the main roster.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Sounds like a good possible route. :y: You could also just have Breeze call Owens an "uggo" and have Owens beat the shit out of him leading to some matches.

[Damian Rey]

Then after the redemption, the crowd can chant "you're still gorgeous" to push Breeze back into the model gimmick.

[Mr. Nerfect]

It'd be similar to the "Undashing" Cody Rhodes gimmick, but it could work. I'd honestly rather see them take that direction with Fandango, to be honest. Have someone take out his leg, then he plays a bit of "Phantom of the Opera" by hiding in the shadows, then he returns all bad-ass.

Breeze's model gimmick can work forever.

[Shisen Kopf]

He should become the goon for the authority after Kane turns face.

[Bad News Gertner]

Kevin Owens is basically UFC fighter Tank Abbott who I loved. Let's hope Owens isn't managing a 3 Count reunion in 6 months.

[slik]

Cannonball...I mean, I have you not watched any of his matches? What's your angle here, slik?

I've seen him wrestle but many have not and they think he looks like a HABM. Describe for them how he isn't just some fat dude in basketball shorts and a wife beater.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

How does he look Heavily Armored Battle Midget? This whole thread is garbage!

KILL THREAD KILL!

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

I feel like he has a better look than Kassius Ohno. Ohno had this like doughy hairy gross body and just looked like a bum. Whereas Owen is just big, burly and mean, he's not half assing it. It's like in hollywood, you either have to be fat or skinny, not in between.

[Bad News Gertner]

Ohno just looked like a 50 year old slob who spends his days in a trailer park drinking MGD all day

[Mr. Nerfect]

I didn't mind Ohno's look. It was the same sort of "my body is built for efficiency and not aesthetics." When he growled and stuff I felt that it sort of missed the mark however. It just felt...disjointed. The whole gimmick took itself really seriously, and Owens is doing the same thing now and it's somehow working. Ohno should have been cockier. "God's Gift to Professional Wrestling" or something. He should have had robes and capes as the announcers put over how he doesn't look the part -- then he kicked ass.

[Destor]

He's a fat tub of shit

[Tom Guycott]

I've seen him wrestle but many have not and they think he looks like a HABM. Describe for them how he isn't just some fat dude in basketball shorts and a wife beater.

Quite simply, because he's being built as a badass, and not as a fat neckbeard.

His "selfish, disingenuous dick" schtick on the mic is helpful to that end, but ultimately, he hasn't been torn down to be remade in WWEs image. They didn't act as though he just walked in out of nowhere and just became a wrestler the day he appeared on NXT. He's been booked to look legit, put over on commentary, unburdened by some gimmick that would hamstring him with trying to portray some abstract idea, and all around just handled well. They didn't put him in a "why should the audience care?" position, and it doesn't look like they're going to anytime soon.

And as long as they continue a slow build and not a cannon blasting hotshot to the top of the main roster by this Survivor Series, he should be fine.

[Tom Guycott]

Lol remember when Matt Hardy came back to the WWE with his gut hanging over his tights?

MATT HARDY WILL NOT DIET!

If Matt Hardy came back to WWE, would Owens call him a "motherfucker on national TV" again?

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

No, his mother died at a young age. That's not PG.

[The Rogerer]

What's a HABM

[Wishbone]

Pretty much everything that can be said already has. He carries himself well and he has a legit badass vibe to him. He's the kind of guy that can actually be scary to someone over the age of 12 because he genuinely seems like the kind of guy you'd meet in a bar who would kick your teeth in.

[Lock Jaw]

All about the booking, really... just the matter of how he is presented to us....

If he came in, just did a bunch of squash matches and then jobbed a few times to Baron Corbin or someone, people wouldn't care about him as much. (NXT fans would still care because they are a "smart crowd")

[Corporate CockSnogger]

They should give him a FBDV gimmick.

[Lock Jaw]

I don't know what that means....

Fanged Beelzebub Demon Vessel

[Corporate CockSnogger]

It'd be a Fat Basement-Dwelling Virgin gimmick. Otherwise known as the St Jimmy gimmick

[Lock Jaw]

That would be a cool storyline... reveal that the "family/wife/son" he is always talking about are fake and that he lives in his mom's basement and never "gets any", hence why he is so SICK AND SADISTIC in the ring.

[#1-norm-fan]

RIP St Jimmy.

[VSG]

I still don't know what HABM is

[Damian Rey]

Heavily armored battle midget

[VSG]

Not Hot Ass Body MILF then?

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

I still don't know what HABM is

Hero is a Halfman

Midget Power.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I really wish an announcer would focus more on how smart Owens is, and how he could clearly get a proper day job, so this stuff about his family is clearly a mask for him being a piece of shit that likes hurting people.