TNA's top 20 mistakes.

[Vastardikai]

In the 100k1 thread, I cracked how Dixie being an on-screen character wasn't even in the top 20 of Panda Energy's favaorite tax write-off's mistakes. So name those top 20.

I'll start.

1. Hogan.
2. Joe jobs to Angle.
3. The Dupp cup.
4. Aces and Eights
5. Claire Lynch
6. Masturbating midget
7. Jeff Hardy gets high at Turning Point
8. Sharmell vs. That other broad from Main Event Mafia
9. Killing off Samoa Joe instead of making him your top star.
10. Having Jim Cornette on your payroll and not using him for creative.
11. The Johnsons.
12. Not pushing Monty Brown
13. Bubba the Love Sponge
14. Maiming Daphney.
15. Not paying the Knockouts what they're worth.
16. King of the Mountain.
17. Changing the ring.
18. Killing the Impact Zone crowd.
19. Not pushing Black Pope.
20. The Menagerie

Offer your own list. I was going off the top of my head. I'm sure it could be ordered better and I probably missed some whoppers.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

21. Having Russo on payroll when Spike TV made it clear that he persona non grata.

[Simple Fan]

Still think putting Dixie on TV should at least be in the top 5. I actually enjoyed Aces & Eights. Hogan at the top spot is correct though.

[Vastardikai]

21. Having Russo on payroll when Spike TV made it clear that he persona non grata.

You could have ended this post after "payroll."

[Simple Fan]

1. Hogan, just sucked every thing good out if TNA and made it WWE Jr.
2. Leaving the NWA
3. Putting Dixie Carter on TV.
4. Hireing Vince Russo
5. Fortune, and Immortal were way worse than Aces & Eights.
6. Not giving Christopher Daniels a Heavyweight Title run.
7. Not using Samoa Joe to his full potential
8. Letting AJ Styles walk away.
9. Clair Lynch
10. Taping so far ahead and taping shows based after a PPV befor the PPV.

20 seems like a lot to think of so I'll just stop at the top 10 in my opinion.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Chris Sabin World "Heavyweight" Champion.

[FourFifty]

The New Monday Night Wars....

[Simple Fan]

Having Hogan on the list covers that I believe.

[Anybody Thrilla]

The Menagerie wasn't that bad.

[Innovator]

It was, don't be blinded by Rebel's ass

[McLegend]

Making Impact a 2 hour show. They weren't ready for 2 hours when they did it.

[hb2k]

1. Bringing in Vince Russo in 2006. They signed Angle that same week and could have created genuine momentum if somebody with half a brain was booking. Instead his TV killed everybody and made it so that nobody could draw. Infuriating decision because it went exactly as expected going in. TNA never got a foothold, and Russo is the key reason why.

[owenbrown]

just 20? there's a whole list... :shifty:

http://www.taimapedia.org/index.php?title=LOLTNA_History

[Vastardikai]

If it was just Rebel and Knux, I'd be alright and it wouldn't have made the list. But we also had Crazzzy Steve (That isn't the name of a wrestler or a clown. That's the name of a well known homeless guy who shits in flower pots.) the guys on stilts, and the Freak, who really needed a second mask under the first one.

What's amazing is I mentioned TNA's top 20 mistakes and forgot to mention Russo.

[Vastardikai]

just 20? there's a whole list... :shifty:

http://www.taimapedia.org/index.php?title=LOLTNA_History

I'll be honest, I did read this the other day, which allowed me to say that Dixie wasn't in the top 20. Maybe not even the top 30.

[Ultra Mantis]

Here's some stuff to consider:

Backstage segments where camera men are peeking through cracks in the door / hiding behind some crates / under somebody's desk
Hulk Hogan's WWE HOF ring has magical powers
Feast or fired
Reverse battle royale
Putting Don West on commentary
Taking Don West off commentary
Depushing MCMG and removing them from TV in response to them getting over
The X-Division is now about weight limits!
Samoa Joe kidnapped by Ninjas!
Samoa Joe now carries a machete to the ring!
Samoa Joe turns heel so Kurt Angle can win the world title instead after Joe has pretty much just won the title in a ladder match because there must be some reason why he would do that right?!
Samoa Joe!
Abyss MURDERS Rob Van Dam off camera with a baseball bat full of nails > world title is made vacant due to RVD dying > RVD is back and wrestling undercard on the PPV where a new champion for the vacant title will be crowned!

[Ermaximus]

TNA Never Explained This™ is the greatest statement ever.

[Simple Fan]

The Neilson Corporation offered to buy TNA from Panda Energy in May 2005 for ten million dollars. Morphoplex (a major TNA sponsor) offered Panda Energy twice that amount later that month. Panda Energy passed on both offers.

This one is one that pissed me off when I read it. #SellTNADixieplease

[Rollermacka]

How did Joe "job" to Angle? Because he lost? They didn't make Joe a top star? Didn't he win every belt in the company and was still in some way a major part of the TV show from his debut, up until his departure?

[Dark One]

How did Joe "job" to Angle? Because he lost? They didn't make Joe a top star? Didn't he win every belt in the company and was still in some way a major part of the TV show from his debut, up until his departure?

You get the fuck out of here with your logic. Somebody loses a match, they have been jobbed into oblivion.

[Vastardikai]

My issue is, you bring in a guy who used to work for the competition, and he more or less immediately beats the undefeated beast. If they set it up for 6 months down the road, and have it over the title, sure. But right off the bat it says "We are inferior to WWE."

[Hanso Amore]

To be fair angle was the top guy in the wwe so that's not that bad for him to show up and win.

Not to mention he was then the guy they built around for years.

[Lock Jaw]

Christian Cage not being champion 100% of the time when he was there

[Rollermacka]

You get the fuck out of here with your logic. Somebody loses a match, they have been jobbed into oblivion.

http://i696.photobucket.com/albums/vv323/Rollermacka/readImage_zpsxzdxpyft.jpg

[Tom Guycott]

Most of it boils down to two general faults; fumbling how talent is handled and spending too much effort chasing WWE and expecting to be overnignt direct competition. And all of this done with the attitude of "THIS IS HOW EVERYTHING WILL BE FROM NOW ON- oh, disregard that, we suck cocks!"

Samoa Joe has been pointed out multiple times in this thread, but what about all the other blown talent builds that include, but are not limited to:

Tomko
Matt Morgan
Abyss
Hernandez
Little Petey Pump
Motor City Machine Guns
Or the entire Knockouts Division?

All presented at some point as bravo foxtrot deltas, but then derailed, often suddenly, without explanation, or backup plan.

AJ Styles, their boy from jump street, the company's mascot, the man who was to TNA what Sting was to WCW, or Shane Douglas was to ECW, or the Hogan of 80s WWF, was continually devalued then slowly built back just to have his nuts cut off again. He goes from being "the man", to Christian's lackey (while awesome for Christian, I must say as part of the Peepulation), to his own man, to Ric Flair's bitch, to trailer trash tweener... it was too much dynamic shifting. Could you imagine if WWE did that shit to Cena? SuperCena is boring and predictable, but it also has worked consistently. Imagine if after his rise in that feud with JBL, he spent about two months on top, then started jobbing to Hornswoggle, then was expected to headline a PPV as a credible champ again, then made to literally become Hulk Hogan v2 by having Hogan himself come in and bestow upon him the Red and Yellow and feather boa and glasses and have Hollywood escort him to the ring, then he splits away and starts actimg like Raven, then, at the end, he goes back to exactly where his character was at the end of the JBL feud as if notning ever happened?

I had examples to my second point, but I don't have time to write them now. I have shit to do.

See? Just like TNA!

[The Condor]

Pushing Crimson.

[KIRA]

I'll keep saying it forever their Knockouts division was truly something to behold and they promoted it that way for a time. How in the hell they fucked that up I'll never know

[Big Vic]

Rhyno's 1 week title run.
Here's some stuff to consider:

Backstage segments where camera men are peeking through cracks in the door / hiding behind some crates / under somebody's desk
I think there are some moments where that is done for a good reason. (Filming a 'secret' convo)

[Simple Fan]

I'll keep saying it forever their Knockouts division was truly something to behold and they promoted it that way for a time. How in the hell they fucked that up I'll never know

They are building the Knockouts back up. They have been the best female wrestling for about 2 years. Solid matches on Impact that last longer than 1 minuit and a half. The cage, ladder, and last knockout standing matches are good as well and is something you don't see to often.

[Ultra Mantis]

Rhyno's 1 week title run.

I think there are some moments where that is done for a good reason. (Filming a 'secret' convo)

But it was every single backstage segment and it was just dumb as fuck.

[Catharsis]

1.-20. Existing...

[Big Vic]

But it was every single backstage segment and it was just dumb as fuck.
Yeah, they did over use it.

[Mr. Nerfect]

* Dropping the ball with Monty Brown. Dude had the potential to be one of TNA's first homegrown stars and lend them some identity.

* Hiring Vince Russo around the same time that they brought Kurt Angle in. Signing Kurt was probably one of TNA's first real big "wins." They had Christian Cage, but part of Christian's leaving WWE was to prove he could be a big star. Angle was already a big star. I understand their rush to do Joe vs. Angle, but years on and Angle is still one of their biggest stars. They probably should have knew where they stood better.

* Choosing to side with Bubba the Love Sponge over Awesome Kong. They lost her, and whilst they have her back now, the shine is off that relationship. For a while TNA were the company doing women's wrestling right, and the Hogan takeover marked a lot of changes, and the focus on the women being a legitimate drawing card was one of them.

* Some of the talent they brought in with Hogan (The Nasty Boys? Really?) and how some of them were used. Jeff Hardy was a no-brainer when it came to signing him, but they didn't really know a proper way to fit him in. The same went with Ken Anderson. A lot of the talent they were focusing on got somewhat lost in the shuffle at the time of Hogan's entry too. Desmond Wolfe, Homicide and Christopher Daniels spring to mind.

[Big Vic]

I understand them rushing Joe and Angle since at the time people weren't sure of how many matches Angle had left in him.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Yeah, true, that's what I meant -- but I guess things are always clearer in hindsight.

[Jordan]

How about lets start with the name TNA.

[Hanso Amore]

They hotshotted champions too much,

Aries
Young
Sabin

I like all three guys well enough, but thats the shit that is a joke. No build, the "Payoff" is a SHOCKING WIN thats only shocking because there was no build. And a week later all they did was hurt themselves.

[Simple Fan]

Yea the name is dumb. I believe they should rejoin the NWA and change their name to the National Wrestling Association or Nonstop Wrestling Action.

[Hanso Amore]

MICK FOLEY as champ

[Big Vic]

Who was the guy that beat Bully Ray for the title than lost it right back to him?

[Hanso Amore]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_TNA_World_Heavyweight_Champions

Look at this list. Count how many of these title changes happened on Free TV.

[Ruien]

Here's some stuff to consider:


Abyss MURDERS Rob Van Dam off camera with a baseball bat full of nails > world title is made vacant due to RVD dying > RVD is back and wrestling undercard on the PPV where a new champion for the vacant title will be crowned!

Wait, what? o.O

[drave]

YOU GOT SWERVED BRO!

[Big Vic]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_TNA_World_Heavyweight_Champions

Look at this list. Count how many of these title changes happened on Free TV.
11 times in 8 years. didn't most of them happen the night after a PPV making the people who paid for the PPV pissed.

[Ultra Mantis]

Wait, what? o.O

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a1/Abyss_with_Janice.jpg

http://270c81.medialib.glogster.com/media/7b/7b1e76435bf7133c916f058b7a14214cbf1c058f1f4a89bdbcfcd74207e1426a/kill-jpg.jpg

[Hanso Amore]

But seriously, I cant believe the Foley shit isnt getting more hate.

They made him champ 9 years after he retired. he could barely move. And they had him go over a 50+ year old Sting. That was their main event people.

LOLTNA.

[KIRA]

I think it was during the "Monday Night Wars" They had a main event Hogan V Flair and and they promoted it like it was the end all be all of wrestling,then the actual match which featured 2 men who could barely move and old as fuck bleeding all over ringside while the announcers continued to praise the match and pretend to be pumped about something that was actually really depressing to see.

[loopydate]

No particular order, though the top three are probably the top three.

They named themselves TNA on purpose
Vince Russo. Just... in general
Jeff Hardy at Victory Road
Changing the course of their company just to capitalize on what WWE was doing (i.e. Aries as Punk, Young as Bryan)
The entire TNA Solar System revolving around Planet Jarrett
Ridiculous match types (reverse battle royal, the dome cage thing, Monster's Ball, King of the Mountain)
Bringing in Hogan/Bischoff/Flair/Nasties/Morley/OJ
Trying to run on Mondays
Lying to Spike about Russo
The RVD murder/undercard return fiasco
The first BFG Series
Claire Lynch
Sharmell vs. Jenna Morasca
Always. Needing. A. Main. Event. Heel. Stable.
Dupp Cup
Masturbating Midget
The way they handled Daffney and Jesse Sorenson's injuries
The HOF ring saga
Hotshotting Angle vs. Joe
Lockdown

[DAMN iNATOR]

MICK FOLEY as champ

And RVD too...

[Lock Jaw]

:y:

[DAMN iNATOR]

I remember somebody even posted his "LOL-worthy" TNA theme, good Lord!

[#1-norm-fan]

Signing Hogan was not a mistake. Bringing the biggest star in the history of wrestling into your wrestling company isn't a mistake. How they used him once he was brought in might be a different story...

Also, don't see how Aces and Eights is considered in the top 20. It wasn't a bad stable and it made Bubba Ray Dudley seem like a legit main event singles star for a bit.

[Savio]

I remember one storyline was Bishoff got a report that the X-Division segments were the highest rated segments of the show so he ordered abyss to destroy all X-division wrestlers and put an end to the X-Division.

[#1-norm-fan]

lol I remember that. Though it did lead to a pretty sweet moment where Brian Kendrick got to take back the title from Abyss on behalf of the little guys.

[Hanso Amore]

Signing Hogan was not a mistake. Bringing the biggest star in the history of wrestling into your wrestling company isn't a mistake. How they used him once he was brought in might be a different story...

Also, don't see how Aces and Eights is considered in the top 20. It wasn't a bad stable and it made Bubba Ray Dudley seem like a legit main event singles star for a bit.

Yeah I think they missed their mark with aces and eights, could have been their "nexus" which I guess is apt since they blew that too.

Taz should have never joined. Like the idea of it bringing in Knox and gallows. Bully Ray joining was great as leader. The rest was meh. Should have brought in more guys like cliff Compton or lesser known Indy guys who could work and fit the biker rebel mold.

But certainly wasn't a top 20 bad thing. It didn't hurt the company they just missed another chance at something that could have been different and special.

[#1-norm-fan]

Speaking of Aces and Eights though, randomly putting the title on Chris Sabin was pretty fucking bad.

[Tom Guycott]

I liked Taz joining. Having that "homer" in the booth and, in the case of D'Lo a position of authority in the company, gave them credibility of having stroke in the companyto do and say whatever they wanted.

But they fucked up a good majority of it trying to make a Sons Of Anarchy themed nWo, firstly with the nWo bloat of being too big. It was a mistake, but not top 20.

No, top 20 is consistently trying to get Rob Terry over simply because he "looks the shit". They repackaged him like, what, 4 times? Not working. Not worth it.

[Evil Vito]

But seriously, I cant believe the Foley shit isnt getting more hate.

They made him champ 9 years after he retired. he could barely move. And they had him go over a 50+ year old Sting. That was their main event people.

LOLTNA.

<font color=goldenrod>Yeah, Foley as champ was the first thing to pop into my mind. No idea what the fuck they were thinking, and felt bad for Mick for thinking he needed to keep putting his body through that kind of shit years after he should have totally stopped wrestling.</font>

[#1-norm-fan]

The Menagerie also doesn't belong in the top 20 mistakes. They're fine. And they've actually got a backstory instead of some random, thrown together shit with no effort put in.

[Hanso Amore]

How about putting Val Venus over Jarrett and Daniels in his only two matches?

[Hanso Amore]

Eric young, knockout tag champ

Orlando jordan

[#1-norm-fan]

That midget pulling out a gun on Jeff Jarrett in the ring.

[Vastardikai]

I'll be diplomatic and replace Aces and Eights with Tag Champion Adam Jones. And I'll say put Immortal in place of the Menagerie.

[KIRA]

Strong candidate for my favorite from LOL TNA

When TNA landed its Spike TV deal, it decided to ignite a Kevin Nash vs. Jeff Jarrett feud for the title as the main event of its first version of WrestleMania, Bound for Glory. On the day of the event, Nash hurt himself picking up his son's toy chest, so he was out.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

The Battle for the Keys of Mick Foley's office on a poll.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

The Menagerie also doesn't belong in the top 20 mistakes. They're fine. And they've actually got a backstory instead of some random, thrown together shit with no effort put in.

Rebel ass also.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

My issue is, you bring in a guy who used to work for the competition, and he more or less immediately beats the undefeated beast. If they set it up for 6 months down the road, and have it over the title, sure. But right off the bat it says "We are inferior to WWE."

Sort of also set the stage for trying to gimmick whatever WWE did even though TNA was supposed to be about "experience the difference."

They gave goofy names to wrestlers just to own their rights. The Austin Starr and Senshi to name a few.

Another: Not pushing/keeping CM Punk, MVP and Mickie James before they became huge.

[Lock Jaw]

Austin Starr was great, though.

Austin Starr > Austin Aries

[Hanso Amore]

Yeah how dare TNA use different names to own their rights. No one else does that.

[Hanso Amore]

Sort of also set the stage for trying to gimmick whatever WWE did even though TNA was supposed to be about "experience the difference."

They gave goofy names to wrestlers just to own their rights. The Austin Starr and Senshi to name a few.

Another: Not pushing/keeping CM Punk, MVP and Mickie James before they became huge.

You are such a mutie.

CM Punk quit because he wanted to appear for ROH.

MVP? Mickie james? REALLY?

You ever see them in TNA or before they hit WWE developmental?

[Dukelorange]

The biggest problems with TNA was the growing inability to accent the positives and minimize the negatives and the lack of definition of what TNA actually was.

There was plenty of things that TNA had going for them. They had pretty decent stars AND they had stars that had a chip on their shoulder because WWE didn't give them the room to ply their trade. They could have used those elements to create new stars while at the same time pushing the WWE rejects in order to have recognizable stars. They should not have gotten rid of the six sides, even thought I still find it weird. They also gave almost everybody on the roster a direction, character, and voice. So from the main eventers to the jobbers had something to say and a way to say it. They had at one point better tag teams and women. They should have pushed that harder. Which would have attracted more wrestlers to sign because they may not have been making as much money as in the WWE, but they would be on TV AND they would have gotten opportunities that WWE may not have given them.

Austin Aries would NOT have been WWE World Champ. The Beautiful People and Dollhouse would not have gotten off the ground in WWE Creative. Heck, They would have straightened Marti Belle's hair, Given Mia Yim a Oriental gimmick, and Taryn would have been on Total Divas instead of improving in the ring. Not to mention Austin Aries, would have been wrestling Zack Ryder on Superstars.

Like WWE, TNA has dropped the ball on a great deal of characters. The problem is at least the WWE can afford to make mistakes. With a smaller budget, roster, and EVERYTHING else, they have to almost knock it out the park every time.

They strike out... a lot.

[KIRA]

No particular order, though the top three are probably the top three.

They named themselves TNA on purpose
Vince Russo. Just... in general
Jeff Hardy at Victory Road
Changing the course of their company just to capitalize on what WWE was doing (i.e. Aries as Punk, Young as Bryan)
The entire TNA Solar System revolving around Planet Jarrett
Ridiculous match types (reverse battle royal, the dome cage thing, Monster's Ball, King of the Mountain)
Bringing in Hogan/Bischoff/Flair/Nasties/Morley/OJ
Trying to run on Mondays
Lying to Spike about Russo
The RVD murder/undercard return fiasco
The first BFG Series
Claire Lynch
Sharmell vs. Jenna Morasca
Always. Needing. A. Main. Event. Heel. Stable.
Dupp Cup
Masturbating Midget
The way they handled Daffney and Jesse Sorenson's injuries
The HOF ring saga
Hotshotting Angle vs. Joe
Lockdown

Bubba the love spooge I mean sponge tell me Foley punching that fat,worthless, fuck was on purpose.

[Vastardikai]

I'm sure Foley was supposed to punch him, he just decided it needed to be a potato.

[Ruien]

What about TNA's top 20 moments? Why do we have to be so negative. You are not suppose to make fun of the slow kid in class.

[Anybody Thrilla]

All is forgiven.

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e67/theguy012485/rebel-tna-ass.gif (http://s37.photobucket.com/user/theguy012485/media/rebel-tna-ass.gif.html)

[road doggy dogg]

who is that, v nice bum

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>I think the "Option C" for the X Division Title is pretty fucking stupid. Just means the title will be vacated at least once a year. Dumb.</font>

[Simple Fan]

Option C only makes since if Austin Aries is X division champ. If Spud was to cash in option c and win the title that would be a mistake. Also if EC3 doesn't win the TNA Heavyweight Title this year that would be a mistake as well.

[Anybody Thrilla]

who is that, v nice bum

Rebel of The Menagerie. Definitely not a top 20 mistake.

They had a sweet theme song, too. They didn't have to play it throughout the entire match, but it was sweet.

[XL]

Option C only makes since if Austin Aries is X division champ. If Spud was to cash in option c and win the title that would be a mistake. Also if EC3 doesn't win the TNA Heavyweight Title this year that would be a mistake as well.

Sense. Goddammit.

[EzekielKane]

The biggest mistake was not pushing AJ STYLE