McMyths

[hb2k]

For our podcast this week, we're going to be talking about WWE's revisionist version of history and stances on different wrestlers and events, and in particular the ones we disagree with, and want to get some feedback from you guys - what myth that WWE propagates do you disagree with the most, or in particular bothers you when they try to force it on the public? Whether it's something small on a DVD or documentary that strikes you as bullshit, or just a WWE/Vince trait that rattles your cage, what WWE company line annoys you the most, and most importantly, why?

As always we'll be reading the best nominations on the show (up next Friday) and crediting you accordingly, so what do you think?

EDIT - The show discussing your nominations for McMyths is now online and available to listen to at the following link: http://squaredcirclegazette.podbean.com/mf/play/8awtz6/SCGRadio49-BustingMcMyths.mp3

[Bad News Gertner]

The worst is Black Saturday. They never bring up how the fans HATED the change and wrote into the T.V stations.

[Ultra Mantis]

Trying to pass off the whole mishandling of Daniel Bryan last year as their ingenious master plan from the very beginning.

[DAMN iNATOR]

The fact that they basically capitalized on the whole Eddie Guerrero death situation by deciding to induct him into their HoF in 2006, when they damn well KNEW Vickie, Chavo, and I'm sure other members of his family were still trying to mourn and grieve over his loss always struck me as nothing short of despicable. Yes, he deserves to be in the HoF, but he should've been included in the 2007 class at earliest IMHO.

Also infuriating is them doing the same thing by having a 165 lb. friend of Eddie's, Rey Mysterio, win the World Heavyweight Championship at WrestleMania 22 against Angle and Orton as some sort of belated "tribute".

[The Condor]

The myth that Luger never could have carried the company in '93, that he didn't have a connection with the fanbase. At Summerslam 1993 the fans were into Luger and would have bought in. Rather, as usual, Vince and co. shot themselves in the foot, and by the end of the year Luger was DOA. It could have worked but they didn't pull the trigger when it made the most sense. It wasn't on Luger, it was on the company, regardless of how they portray it today.

[Tom Guycott]

Trying to pass off the whole mishandling of Daniel Bryan last year as their ingenious master plan from the very beginning.

Speaking of:

"Bret screwed Bret". Sure, it was one of the leading contributions to WWE's attitude era boom (along with events such as Austin 3:16), you know this was initially an attempt at damage control for Montreal. When Vince came off as an amoral douchebag instead of the hero defending his company, he rolled with it.

[road doggy dogg]

I'm gonna take the low-hanging-fruit here and go with Benoit and to a much lesser extent hogan recently

[KIRA]

" WWE is committed to embracing and celebrating individuals from all backgrounds as demonstrated by the diversity of our employees, performers and fans worldwide."

As demonstrated by their years of stereotypes and sometimes outright racism not to mention things like mocking disabilities on more than one occasion including one where a BA Star poster is visible in the background during said mockery .

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

I'm gonna take the low-hanging-fruit here and go with Benoit and to a much lesser extent hogan recently

They did nothing wrong brother.

[Vastardikai]

The biggest lie of all: Vince Jr. taking wrestling out of the bingo halls and into big arenas. Watts regularly packed the Superdome. Lawler filled the 10,000 seat Mid South Colosseum more than Elvis did. The Sportatorium in Dallas held 4500 regularly.

[Damian Rey]

The fucking mom and pop gimmick they push anytime the Monday Night War is discussed. Trying to play the victim as some family company on the brink of extinction because big, mean old rich Ted Turner and his checkbook in the relentless hands of dirt bag Eric Bischoff.

Reality as they were getting comeuppance after putting damn near every territory out of business in the 80s,buying out high profile talent to exclusive contracts regularly to the point where there was only one big dog in the game until Turner paid for stars much like Vince did before him.

[DAMN iNATOR]

TBF, Turner TOTALLY paid for the moon to be colorized. :shifty:

[Maluco]

The WCW one would be top for me that Damien mentioned above. Was looking forward to Monday Night Ears but became unwatchable about 3 episodes in.

Ultimate Warrior thing also bothers me. He was so awful (in their eyes) that they put out a DVD tearing him and his time with the company apart, and now, he represents everything noble and great and true about the company. That's not even mentioning the fact that he said similar things to what Hogan said recently, in public forums and the difference in their treatment is vast.

[Emperor Smeat]

Ted Turner biggest desire was trying to ruthlessly drive Vince/WWE out of business when in reality he barely cared about Vince/WWE. Cared a lot about wrestling since it played a big role in building his network empire but never had a real vendetta like Vince does with WCW. Only got involved in the whole WCW-WWE war after the Black Saturday incident to protect wrestling on his channel.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Vince acts like he created Hulkamania. Sure, he put it on a bigger scale, but Hulkamania was running wild in the AWA before his run in the WWF. From what I could tell by the pops he was getting, he was clearly the biggest star in the country from his time in the AWA, Vince just jumped all over him after Verne Gagner shot himself in the foot and never pulled the trigger with Hogan.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Also loved how he was "The Incredible" Hulk Hogan.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Triple H coming down to The Game theme song when he was breaking up the Test/Steph wedding in clips over the years.

[Seth82]

them claiming their tv show beat out the local territories' tv ratings in the different markets.

not true at all.

WCCW in the early 80's had just out of this world ratings.

Their show aired on Saturday nights opposite of Saturday Night Live. World Class would get a 14 rating whereas SNL would get a 9 or 10 rating.

the myth that WWE's tv did higher ratings in the different territories markets is laughable. Kevin Von Erich himself told me that World Class' tv show got higher ratings in New York than WWE's did.

[Seth82]

Sgt Slaughter and WWE also like to claim that Wrestlemania was moved from the LA Coliseum to the Sports Arena due to a bomb threat.

it was because of ticket sales being so low not due to a bomb threat like they like to claim.

[Simple Fan]

Some crazy myths about Lita.

She pretty much slept with the entire OMEGA roster which included...

Matt Hardy
Jeff Hardy
Joey Matthews
Christian York
Shane Helms
Mike Maverick
Cham Pain
Shannon Moore
Venom
Otto Schwanz
Sweet Dreams
Caprice Coleman
Steve Corino
Black Skull

- Got pissed on by Steve Corino and Danny Doring

- Traded sexual favours for training in Mexico since she had no money.

- Was the sex toy of El Dandy

- Used to be a stripper (which she said in her book)

- Matt Hardy may be bi and Lita definitely is bi.

- While on an indie tour in Peru, Lita was sucking off an Indy guy I
won't
name, since none of you will have heard of him anyway. A quote from a
source said..."I hadn't jacked it in like 3 weeks and I tried to smarten her
up, but she wouldn't listen. I came like a ****ing geyser and she
swallowed the WHOLE thing."

- Lita was the local groupie of Richmond punk bands.

[NormanSmiley]

Always pissed me off that they tried to get me to believe mike tenay was a real professor.

[The CyNick]

Trying to pass off the whole mishandling of Daniel Bryan last year as their ingenious master plan from the very beginning.

you mean how they accidentally booked him to go over at Mania 30 against all odds.

Huuuuuge mishandling.

[The CyNick]

them claiming their tv show beat out the local territories' tv ratings in the different markets.

not true at all.

WCCW in the early 80's had just out of this world ratings.

Their show aired on Saturday nights opposite of Saturday Night Live. World Class would get a 14 rating whereas SNL would get a 9 or 10 rating.

the myth that WWE's tv did higher ratings in the different territories markets is laughable. Kevin Von Erich himself told me that World Class' tv show got higher ratings in New York than WWE's did.

You would think these amazingly run territories would be still alive today instead of only being brought up randomly on message boards.

Probably something to do with Vince being evil or something something.

[Ultra Mantis]

you mean how they accidentally booked him to go over at Mania 30 against all odds.

Huuuuuge mishandling.

No, I mean how they caved in at the very last minute and changed all their plans for Mania 30 because the fan base was pissing all over their booking. They then pretended they were totally going to book that to happen the entire time and dumb shit like not putting him in the royal rumble, having him join the wyatts for a week, not even having him in a mania program until Punk quit, etc, was all part of the plan.

[Damian Rey]

Think CyNick is struggling with the idea that running a financially successful company and selling out areas or garnering great tv ratings are not necessarily done hand in hand. Wcw sold out tons of arenas and had great ratings even in the end and they were losing plenty of money.

[The CyNick]

No, I mean how they caved in at the very last minute and changed all their plans for Mania 30 because the fan base was pissing all over their booking. They then pretended they were totally going to book that to happen the entire time and dumb shit like not putting him in the royal rumble, having him join the wyatts for a week, not even having him in a mania program until Punk quit, etc, was all part of the plan.

When you are writing episodic TV, there are going to be times where you need to change course.

Dont get so caught up in the narrative the dirt sheet writers are trying to spin. WWE booked Daniel Bryan to be the underdog, there was a purpose to it, there was a payoff to it. Even if they didnt have everything laid out from the year prior, they clearly were booking him to at the very least get over on HHH in some manner. They ended up going all the way with him, and somehow that equates to WWE bad. I just dont get it. WWE gave you what you wanted, and then Bryan's neck gave way, and they had to move on.

[The CyNick]

Think CyNick is struggling with the idea that running a financially successful company and selling out areas or garnering great tv ratings are not necessarily done hand in hand. Wcw sold out tons of arenas and had great ratings even in the end and they were losing plenty of money.

My point is some people in this thread are cherry picking these random facts "oh WWF didnt hit the heights of that one match between Jerry Lalwer and Bobo Brazil in Mid Atlantic North South". But to me its like who cares? WWE stomped their competition, so they are the absolute #1 of all time in any category that matters.

Every dog has his day.

[Ultra Mantis]

When you are writing episodic TV, there are going to be times where you need to change course.

Dont get so caught up in the narrative the dirt sheet writers are trying to spin. WWE booked Daniel Bryan to be the underdog, there was a purpose to it, there was a payoff to it. Even if they didnt have everything laid out from the year prior, they clearly were booking him to at the very least get over on HHH in some manner. They ended up going all the way with him, and somehow that equates to WWE bad. I just dont get it. WWE gave you what you wanted, and then Bryan's neck gave way, and they had to move on.

I feel you are completely missing the entire point of this thread.

[The CyNick]

I feel you are completely missing the entire point of this thread.

I got it. Just went on a tangent.

[Damian Rey]

WWE stomping out their competition and that competition drawing people in droves and filling up arenas while and or before Vince was doing it are two different things. Vince and co like to pretend they created these massive sell outs. It's not true. Regardless of the end results. That's the original point, which your latest string of posts suggest you're struggling to comprehend.

[Bad News Gertner]

The south and west coast drew terribly during Vince's expansion for a looooong time. They were putting guys like Andre and Patterson high on the card in L.A and they still weren't drawing more than 5000 people to large arenas in L.A.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

I may be beating a dead horse, but I don't know if anyone has flat out said this.... but being the #1 kind of gives the WWE the ability to re-write the history books. So while what CyNick is saying is true... it's also kind of circular. It's like yeah, they won, and they did the most important things better than the other guys, but that kind of gives them the power to tell a whole bunch of bullshit.

If I took over the world tomorrow, my biography would be similar to a North Korean Dictators. I'd have been able to fly at the age of five, and lost my virginity at 8 to fly Noobian Princess. And it doesn't matter if it's bullshit, because I rule the world so fuck the other guys version of the story.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Think CyNick is struggling with the idea that running a financially successful company and selling out areas or garnering great tv ratings are not necessarily done hand in hand. Wcw sold out tons of arenas and had great ratings even in the end and they were losing plenty of money.

Free seats for Nitro and PPV. It's not selling out when you give out freebies.

[road doggy dogg]

I may be beating a dead horse, but I don't know if anyone has flat out said this.... but being the #1 kind of gives the WWE the ability to re-write the history books. So while what CyNick is saying is true... it's also kind of circular. It's like yeah, they won, and they did the most important things better than the other guys, but that kind of gives them the power to tell a whole bunch of bullshit.

If I took over the world tomorrow, my biography would be similar to a North Korean Dictators. I'd have been able to fly at the age of five, and lost my virginity at 8 to fly Noobian Princess. And it doesn't matter if it's bullshit, because I rule the world so fuck the other guys version of the story.

"History is written by the victors"
~ Walter Benjamin

[The CyNick]

I may be beating a dead horse, but I don't know if anyone has flat out said this.... but being the #1 kind of gives the WWE the ability to re-write the history books. So while what CyNick is saying is true... it's also kind of circular. It's like yeah, they won, and they did the most important things better than the other guys, but that kind of gives them the power to tell a whole bunch of bullshit.

If I took over the world tomorrow, my biography would be similar to a North Korean Dictators. I'd have been able to fly at the age of five, and lost my virginity at 8 to fly Noobian Princess. And it doesn't matter if it's bullshit, because I rule the world so fuck the other guys version of the story.

he gets it

[DaveWadding]

Free seats for Nitro and PPV. It's not selling out when you give out freebies.

and it's not on TV, either.

[Bad News Gertner]

Free seats for Nitro and PPV. It's not selling out when you give out freebies.

WWF/WWE has always gave any free seats. Hell, I read somewhere that 20,000 were given away at Wrestlemania 3

[Stid]

The way they make out the first few 'Manias (particularly the first one) to be these magical, flawless events. Christ.

[NormanSmiley]

The way they make out the last 'Mania to be this magical, flawless event. Christ.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

in all fairness any SINGLE person in any kind of "know", is aware of how bad those manias are.

[Bad News Gertner]

Wrestlemania 3 was very good. It's hard to even rate the first few since it was a lot of trial and error.

Hell, they didn't even book the logical match of Valentine vs Santana at Wrestlemania 1 because they wanted to draw out the feud even longer. They weren't even certain the company would be around another year depending on the success of the first one.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Plus isn't 2 in like 3 different stadiums?

[Bad News Gertner]

Yeah

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

podcast is up on itunes btw

[Bad News Gertner]

Not gonna lie: I enjoy hearing those Brits say my name

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Same! :-D (my name that is, I despise your Kevin Sullivan influenced posts :rant: )

[Bad News Gertner]

Lol!

[hb2k]

Just wanted to thank everybody for the nominations, as the podcast discussing "McMyths" is now available at the following link:

http://squaredcirclegazette.podbean.com/mf/play/8awtz6/SCGRadio49-BustingMcMyths.mp3

We get to all things revisionist history and company line, including Vince's spin on The Brass Ring, the 1994 Steroid Trial, taking on "Ted Turner", crying foul over Eric Bischoff's dirty tactics, Saddam Hussein threatens WrestleMania, the Ultimate Warrior DVD, Montreal, DX's invasion of WCW, wrestling in smoky arenas, Black Saturday and many many more, a really fun show, check it out and let us know what you think!

In addition, next week is our 50th episode, and we're going to be going a mailbag show for the first time this year, so if you have any questions, points of discussion or random comments and thoughts you'd like to hear discussed, drop them below, in a PM or send them to scgradio@hotmail.com, and we'll get to them on next week's show!

[Bad News Gertner]

Favourite year in wrestling.

[Vastardikai]

I feel special! I could remember the Superdome Shows, but not the Texas Stadium shows or the Shea Stadium. The shame.

[hb2k]

Got your PM dude B-) And Gertner, will be sure to get that in too, that's a good one...