Luckiest/Unluckiest Wrestlers Ever [Archive]

hb2k

08-30-2015, 05:13 PM

So, for this week's podcast, we're looking to discuss various wrestlers that you think may have been the luckiest or unluckiest in wrestling history, and would like your nominations for these distinctions and why you feel they're good candidates. Obviously it's a career focused discussion (so not wanting to incorporate deaths into this), so whether it's people who you think got a bum deal by bad circumstances repeatedly, or somebody in the right place and time and had a far better career than their skills deserved, we'd like to hear your suggestions on both.

As always, the best suggestions will be read on the show and you'll be credited accordingly, so what do you think?

EDIT - The show discussing your nominations for Luckiest and Unluckiest Wrestlers Ever is now online and available to listen to at the following link: http://squaredcirclegazette.podbean.com/mf/play/peru2y/SCGRadio53-TheLuckiestandUnluckiestWrestlersEver.mp3

#1-norm-fan

08-30-2015, 05:53 PM

Kennedy is always the one who comes to mind. There was the wellness policy violation that put a halt to that. Outside of that though, there was the issue of them rushing MITB off of him and then finding out his injury wasn't as serious as they thought. He comes back for a while and seems in line for another major push before getting injured again. He comes back from THAT injury looking like he's gonna be a major face and it lasts all of one match before that weird Orton debacle leads to his firing. Never seen a guy have so many chances to become a major star get thwarted JUST at the worst moment.

Mercenary

08-30-2015, 05:54 PM

http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130801105153/prowrestling/images/9/9b/Muhammad_Hassan_2.jpg Suppose to win tile and then London happens then gone

Savio

08-30-2015, 06:03 PM

Marc posted the guy I want going to post, rumored to be winning the title, if the attack happened on any other day (Or didn't happen at all) the character would have continued to grow.

Lock Jaw

08-30-2015, 06:12 PM

Wade Barrett has been pretty unlucky as far as his injuries go... seems like he would always gain steam, get injured, come back, get some steam, get injured, etc. repeat.

And now he is a jobber.

Lock Jaw

08-30-2015, 06:13 PM

Dolph Ziggler getting injured around his World Title reign where he had Big E/AJ was also pretty unlucky and pretty much killed off his run.

Damian Rey

08-30-2015, 06:15 PM

Daniel Bryan is the first that comes to mind. Had a long ride to get back to the title and have two signature wins at Wrestlemania, only to get injured, drop the belt, and get bumped back to the midcard upon return due to now seemingly being labeled injury prone.

Lex Luger. Gets a mega push as Hogan's would be replacement, but gets a count out win at Summer Slam, dual win at the Rumble, and screw job dq at Mania, then off to WWF oblivion until finally leaving the following year.

Damian Sandow. The end of the brand split ruined any potential he had to be a viable upper mid card talent. Wins MITB only months before WWE decides they want a unified, singular heavyweight title, and Sandow gets fed to Cena, loses, and slowly and now surely drifted into near non existence.

Dolph Ziggler. Gets a huge moment the night after Mania in winning, legitimately this time, the WHC, and quickly suffers a concussion and that's the end of any semblance of being even a quasi main eventer. Much like Bryan, he may now be leveled injury prone and won't ever be relied on to get to the main event.

Savio

08-30-2015, 06:16 PM

Plus Sandow builds himself back up as Mizdow and then disappears

The Condor

08-30-2015, 06:18 PM

Damian Rey

08-30-2015, 06:18 PM

Good point. Takes a shit gimmick and gets it obscenely over, and gets to go nowhere with it.

NormanSmiley

08-30-2015, 06:57 PM

Magnum TA

Emperor Smeat

08-30-2015, 07:17 PM

Matt Cappotelli.

Famous for co-winning a Tough Enough season and the vicious beating Bob Holly gave him on the show. Ended up being the start of a string of injuries and bad luck that lead to him never getting called up from development. To make matters worse, career got cut abruptly because of a brain tumor.

Cena might be the luckiest in modern times just because he went from someone on the verge of getting released by the WWE to becoming their mega star. All because of one random encounter Steph had backstage catching him rapping or doing something that really impressed her and became the basis for his Thuganomics gimmick.

Theo Dious

08-30-2015, 07:43 PM

I'd like to suggest Jake Roberts as a victim of bad luck. He was doing well in Georgia when the territory was bought by the WWF; his program with Hogan fell apart when the fans went the wrong way; his program with Warrior fell apart when Warrior was fired/suspended/what have you (the specifics can be debated certainly, but he definitely got the short end of the stick there;</>) and he had a fat contract with WCW torpedoed because Bill Watts has some kind of butthurt for the man. Also you guys have mentioned his awful Wrestlemania record, which maybe really isn't "luck" but he definitely didn't get any breaks when it came to those matches.

As a footnote, no one is going to say that Austin was the unluckiest wrestler ever, but he definitely had a few unlucky incidents that cut his career short. Honestly his career had a lot of good and bad luck to it; he came around at the most opportune time when he was exactly what the fans wanted, and in a company that had suffered horribly as far as having decent opponents for its top babyfaces, he was damn lucky that he had the Rock, Foley, and Triple H to work with.

For the luckiest, I'd say Eric Bischoff. He played up his opportunities well, but getting the VP job was fantastic luck in that he was exactly what they were looking for at the time (maybe it could be better said that he WASN'T what they WEREN'T looking for.) And then the nWo angle was an enormous stroke of luck, starting with being able to grab Hall & Nash at the same time, and then with all of the maybes and buts about who the "third man" would be, the fact that Hogan's heel turn went as well as it did was borderline miraculous. I think it was on an Austin podcast where Nash recalls telling Bischoff upon his coming to WWE something like "you're going to be so proud of yourself when you realize that you almost beat THIS company with what you had in WCW." It might not have lasted but Bischoff had a horseshoe wedged between his asscheeks for a few years at least.

NormanSmiley

08-30-2015, 07:59 PM

Savio

08-30-2015, 08:01 PM

Cena might be the luckiest in modern times just because he went from someone on the verge of getting released by the WWE to becoming their mega star. All because of one random encounter Steph had backstage catching him rapping or doing something that really impressed her and became the basis for his Thuganomics gimmick.
Was it that that led to the Smackdown Halloween special where he dressed up as vanilla ice?

NormanSmiley

08-30-2015, 08:07 PM

Luckiest I may go with ultimate warrior. Came at a time when physique mattered more than wrestling talent and work ethic. Did the ultimate no no's of holding up a promoter and no showing advertised events and still kept getting vince's forgiveness. Also got paid a buttload by wcw to come in and suck.

Emperor Smeat

08-30-2015, 08:07 PM

Was it that that led to the Smackdown Halloween special where he dressed up as vanilla ice?

Think so. Was pretty much failing as a face with the Prototype gimmick and then floundering a bit with his heel turn I think before getting one more chance that ended up striking gold.

Theo Dious

08-30-2015, 08:12 PM

The argument against jake being unlucky and someone like kennedy,hall, hardy they did the drugs. Nobody forced them. Unlucky for jake would also be when he was supposed to take over for Patterson with creative and vince backed out

You could argue that Kennedy and Hardy were unlucky enough to be born sans the brains to not fuck up when the company was trying to make something of them. :D

Theo Dious

08-30-2015, 08:13 PM

Also got paid a buttload by wcw to come in and suck.

Him and a lot of people. Hell Lanny Poffo got paid a buttload to go to WCW and do literally nothing.

Theo Dious

08-30-2015, 08:14 PM

Also - crass as this may sound - Jake Roberts and Scott Hall are lucky to be alive.

Damian Rey

08-30-2015, 08:18 PM

Triple H as arguably the luckiest wrestler ever. No doubt he was an above average talker who was good in the ring. But he also lucked out in latching onto his now infamous group of friends. He eventually plays a clear second fiddle to the far more talented HBK, who then injureshis back, allowing Triple H to take the ball and run.

Then Austin and Rock leave, and Triple H goes on to have 7 additional main event matches at Mania, more than Rock and Austin combined. During that span, he was also the main focus on Raw during the brand split, where as big or bigger name talent like Taker, Lesnar, Guerrero and Angle were on the other show.

Bad News Gertner

08-30-2015, 08:23 PM

Luckiest: Brutus Beefcake. He got put in a team with Greg Valentine and a run with the tag belts where he basically stood on the apron 90% of the time. Due to being Hogan's buddy, he kept on getting pushes despite being atrocious. If anyone disputes this claim: Brutus Beefcake headlined STARRCADE!!!!

NormanSmiley

08-30-2015, 08:23 PM

His friends sought him out,not the other way around. Hhh paid his dues and loves the business. His spot wasn't luck

NormanSmiley

08-30-2015, 08:27 PM

Mr. Nerfect

08-30-2015, 08:41 PM

The first that came to mind for "unlucky" was Magnum TA. But putting tragedies like that aside, I think Ken Doane/Kenny Dykstra had some bad luck. He gets called up really young, has a really bad gimmick, has his fiance start sleeping with the biggest star in the company -- all before you reach full adult maturity.

Mr. Kennedy is a good one. There are a few that I'm always thinking about, since they gain steam just as something that squanders that comes about too.

Oh, how about Val Venis? He gets a hot gimmick out the gate, but it's not really the most serious thing in the world. But when it comes time to turn him heel and give him a serious push, his denouncing of pornography coincides with the formation of the Right to Censor -- who, yes, get heat -- but lack any real sort of credible traction. Then he returns with a damaged goods gimmick, gets a bit of success, turns heel, then gets hurt. Then he turns face and then the PG era kicks in.

And I'm going to throw out "anybody that came from OVW under John Laurinaitis' run as Head of Talent Relations".

Lucky? Really have to say John Cena. He was rising up the ranks when no one was really competing with what he could offer, and Brock had left the company. Cena would have still been a top guy, but I wonder if he would have been the top guy.

Lock Jaw

08-30-2015, 08:49 PM

Unlucky is anyone who isn't John Cena in the John Cena era. :shifty:

NormanSmiley

08-30-2015, 08:51 PM

Ken doane and cena both unlucky for having that roast beef vag on their resumes

Damian Rey

08-30-2015, 09:01 PM

Would Orton count? Felt like he should have been a bigger deal than he is. Seems his own douche baggery as well as injuries and poor booking derailed him from being a bigger star.

Shisen Kopf

08-30-2015, 09:03 PM

Lucky Cannon

Damian Rey

08-30-2015, 09:16 PM

His friends sought him out,not the other way around. Hhh paid his dues and loves the business. His spot wasn't luck

Paying his dues and loving the business is unrelated. He was never as big a star as HBK, Rock or Austin yet he managed to headline more Wrestlemanias due circumstance more than star power.

DAMN iNATOR

08-30-2015, 10:09 PM

Maven. Won the 1st Tough Enough, and ended up picking up 5 Hardcore Championships from 2001-2005, but despite being great at his craft, he never got a World title push.

DDP in the very late WWF era. Has a match on SD! in, I think April 2002 and gets injured and is forced to retire because his own insurance company says if he continued to wrestle, they'd drop him from coverage. It was all covered on an episode of Confidential. I just think there's a huge chance that had he been able to come back he may have had 1 or 2 WWE/WHC runs.

Frank Drebin

08-30-2015, 10:17 PM

Bret Hart spending his whole career in WWF/E being injury free, then soon after going to WCW getting kicked in the head by Greenberg, effectively ending his career, is pretty unlucky. Not saying he's the unluckiest guy out there but that one incident is pretty bad.

Droford

08-30-2015, 10:27 PM

Ric Flair - luckiest

I mean come on, he survived a plane crash

Damian Rey

08-30-2015, 10:38 PM

I was gonna mention that but yes you're correct.

Mr. Nerfect

08-30-2015, 10:41 PM

Does "survived a plane crash" constitute good fortune or bad fortune?

Ol Dirty Dastard

08-30-2015, 10:44 PM

I'm going to try to think outside of the box here. I'm going to say Arn Anderson is one of the more unlucky guys in wrestling, as far as his career goes. His career ending injury/surgery came at a time where he could have played a fairly pivotal role in the nWo angle. I mean, he probably would have been buried, but he was always so god damned good as a worker, that one must believe at some point, he could have picked up quite a few more main event pay days. He also seemed to be destined to be stuck in the roll of "always the bridesmaid".

Maybe I'm the unlucky one with Arn's injury, (As are many Canadian wrestling fans who never got much NWA or WCW) because as a life long WWE fan, I never got to see enough of Arn, and when I finally got a chance to see Nitro on a regular basis, he was retired.

Mabel was the most lucky. He was always the stinking, drizzling shits, and charisma vacuum, but won a king of the ring, and had a job for what seemed like eons. Fuck Mabel.

Also, tell Carl he is my inspiration... not really sure why, he just is.

Mr. Nerfect

08-30-2015, 10:46 PM

Interesting views on Arn Anderson.

Droford

08-30-2015, 10:48 PM

Died in a plane crash or injured so bad he couldn't wrestle ever again would have been bad.

Also consider that because of the injuris in the crash he had to change his style of wrestling. If he hadn't been in the crash he probably wouldn't have changed his style and who knows how his career would have gone. He wrestled for 33 years after the crash, when doctors said his career was done.

I don't think there can be any wrestler who is luckier.

Droford

08-30-2015, 10:50 PM

I'm going to try to think outside of the box here. I'm going to say Arn Anderson is one of the more unlucky guys in wrestling, as far as his career goes. His career ending injury/surgery came at a time where he could have played a fairly pivotal role in the nWo angle. I mean, he probably would have been buried, but he was always so god damned good as a worker, that one must believe at some point, he could have picked up quite a few more main even pay days. He also seemed to be destined to be stuck in the roll of "always the bridesmaid". Maybe I'm the unlucky one with Arn's injury, (As are many Canadian wrestling fans who never got much NWA or WCW) because as a life long WWE fan, I never got to see enough of Arn, and when I finally got a chance to see Nitro on a regular basis, he was retired.

Mabel was the most lucky. He was always the stinking, drizzling shits, and charisma vacuum, but won a king of the ring, and had a job for what seemed like eons. Fuck Mabel.

Also, tell Carl he is my inspiration... not really sure why, he just is.

Well, he died at 43 from a heart attack so..

Ol Dirty Dastard

08-30-2015, 10:52 PM

Well, he died at 43 from a heart attack so..

unlucky in life, far too lucky as a wrestler.

Ol Dirty Dastard

08-30-2015, 11:00 PM

tho i dunno about "luck" being involved when you are 500 pounds.

Droford

08-30-2015, 11:00 PM

Unluckiest wrestler ever

http://i.ytimg.com/vi/2m8VjpeDpuk/hqdefault.jpg

KIRA

08-30-2015, 11:07 PM

Owen Hart's entire career was bad luck, from his team with Koko making him look silly, to being in Bret's shadow, never reaching the levels everyone knew he deserved, and finally his death. Just damn tragic.

Now that you mention it Owen does seem like he was a much better fit than Bret to be The Guy he was the all around performer and a much, much, better talker I just don't get what people saw in Bret (who IMO as good as he is he is an insomniac cure)that Owen had in spades.

As far as unlucky wrestlers go I was gonna say Regal but that was his own doing(sadly) so I'll say Brutus Beefcake no amount of money can soothe the pain of being Hogans lifelong bitch.

Ol Dirty Dastard

08-30-2015, 11:11 PM

Owen was not the better fit than Bret. Rose coloured glasses my friend.

KIRA

08-30-2015, 11:15 PM

Owen was not the better fit than Bret. Rose coloured glasses my friend.

Care to explain? Bret was a better wrestler but Owen was a jack of stats and he had a personality.

Ol Dirty Dastard

08-30-2015, 11:18 PM

KIRA

08-30-2015, 11:22 PM

As far as lucky/badass I'll say Undertaker being set on fire twice within seconds and that just made him stomp to the ring faster.

Ol Dirty Dastard

08-30-2015, 11:23 PM

Care to explain? Bret was a better wrestler but Owen was a jack of stats and he had a personality.

Owen is more of a Chris Jericho type. Amazing in his own way, but could never be a flag barer like Bret. Bret didn't have the Hulk Hogan and rock panache and pizzazz, but he connected with audiences because of his authenticity, similar to a Steve Austin (probably why they blended so well together when they worked). Owen wasn't exactly gang busters on the mic, but he was pretty good, but let's get serious "Kick your leg out of your leg" isn't exactly the work of a wordsmith. Bret carried himself like a motherfucking champion, win, lose or draw.... heel or face. Owen was great, but he didn't have "the guy" appeal.

Damian Rey

08-30-2015, 11:32 PM

Bret had a certain swagger about him. Even watching it now, when he walks to the ring, with the shades and the jacket, he just had it. He was also a natural babyface.

KIRA

08-30-2015, 11:33 PM

Also, if Beefcake was unlucky about anything, it was getting his face smashed in a parasailing accident, it's been highlighted already that him being Hogan's bitch was possibly the most lucky thing which happened to him... given that he wasn't all that great (though I didn't think he was terrible in his short lived prime, had a certain appeal to him).

I forgot about his accident as far as him having appeal I suppose, my brother loved him which confounds me to this day.

Can we call Pillman unlucky I'm probably alone but I felt he could have been so huge in the attitude era injury just killed it but at the same time he was still amazing on the mic and compelling as hell to watch.

Ol Dirty Dastard

08-31-2015, 12:11 AM

Pillman is definitely a good pick

Damian Rey

08-31-2015, 01:36 AM

JBL was lucky. Went from being an under card tag team brawler with no depth to main eventer for over a year and incredibly lengthy title run because, quote, Triple H didn't wanna work Tuesdays. But seriously, his heel push came completely outta nowhere and had Lesnar not left WWE and Angle not been legit injured, JBL doesn't get to the main event that quickly, if at all, seeing as once he dropped the belt he jobbed to other main eventers or only saw extended success in the midcard.

NormanSmiley

08-31-2015, 01:59 AM

Gorgeous dale with amazing points. Always been a huge fan of double a myself.

FourFifty

08-31-2015, 01:59 AM

Jeff Hardy is one lucky guy!

With the bumps he has taken and his history of substance abuse I'm shocked he isn't in a wheel chair, or worse. Hell, I'm shocked he is seen as employable by any company for as long as he was.

Rollermacka

08-31-2015, 02:00 AM

Would "unlucky" guys be the ones who were finally "breaking out" in 2001..... right before WCW folded? Shane Helms, Elix Skipper, Kronik, O'Hare, Palumbo, Staziak, Jindrak were all hitting their strides and putting on great matches in those final months of WCW and then never really found that "place" after that....

NormanSmiley

08-31-2015, 02:02 AM

Matt hardy on the unlucky list. His brother gets the talent, less fat of a face,better hair. Then of course his girl gets edged

Rollermacka

08-31-2015, 02:05 AM

Cool King

08-31-2015, 02:20 AM

When I saw the title of the thread, I immediate thought of Kevin Von Erich for the unluckiest part, but then I saw that incorporating deaths wasn't allowed.

I don't know who I would say is the unluckiest, but a good few names I agree with have been given.

However, I'd say the luckiest is probably X-Pac.

I can't imagine X-Pac even being around if he wasn't part of "The Kliq". If he wasn't such good friends with Shawn Michaels and Co., he would have probably just remained as a jobber under "The Kid" name and he wouldn't even have lasted a year.

Now, I'm sure he's most likely going to be a Hall of Famer sometime in the future.

FourFifty

08-31-2015, 05:13 AM

Putting X-pac in the hall of fame because he was in DX is one step above putting Mongo in the hall of fame because he was in the horsemen.

08-31-2015, 06:20 AM

Kennedy is the first that comes to mind, but with that already said; Nick Dinsmore.

Was considered a stand-out in OVW, with excellent in-ring credentials, called up to the main roster and saddled with the "Eugene" gimmick; something that's hard to bounce back from.

Sort of a double-edged sword as he was ridiculously over at the time, and no doubt has dined out on that character for years after, but he never stood a chance of being repackaged/used in a more legitimate way.

Ol Dirty Dastard

08-31-2015, 08:26 AM

Modest never would have gotten over. Great wrestler, but he has not an ounce of magnetism about him. He also looks like Kevin Sullivan's and Rugged Ronnie Garvin's love child, which is not a good thing lol

Bad News Gertner

08-31-2015, 08:49 AM

DAMN iNATOR

08-31-2015, 08:50 AM

Luckiest has to be Hornswoggle.I mean, dude's a leprechaun, right? :shifty:

MoFo

08-31-2015, 10:42 AM

Jeff Jarrett gotta be the luckiest.

Big Vic

08-31-2015, 10:43 AM

He is pretty lucky for being a shitty wrestler.

KIRA

08-31-2015, 11:44 AM

Matt hardy on the unlucky list. His brother gets the talent, less fat of a face,better hair. Then of course his girl gets edged

Matt is actually the wrestler of the two no one notices cause his brother is backflipping of the top of the arena and Matt is an okay talker and in certain gimmicks that showed. Jeff Sucks on the mic period but he was born with weird charisma his brother just lacks it is sad there was a photo of the two of them a while back that had them posing with their titles Jeff with the WWE title and Matt with the ECWWE title that photo said it all.

Bad News Gertner

08-31-2015, 01:32 PM

Putting X-pac in the hall of fame because he was in DX is one step above putting Mongo in the hall of fame because he was in the horsemen.

X Pac was awesome in the ring you jew.

Ol Dirty Dastard

08-31-2015, 01:37 PM

Hey Gertner, I will murder your giant mongoloid ass you fuck. CALL ME A JEW!

But yes, X Pac was actually quite good.

NormanSmiley

08-31-2015, 01:48 PM

fuck him up Dale!

Heyman

08-31-2015, 02:23 PM

Unluckiest - Will probably have to go with Daniel Bryan. After his Wrestlemania victory(ies) over Evolution, Bryan had the chance of replacing Cena as "the face" of the WWE, and we all know what happened. As Bret said, Bryan's career is likely over - Daniel just doesn't know it yet.

Luckiest - Kevin Nash. Make friends with the right people + throwing up a few cool hand signs = millions of dollars. Go figure.

DAMN iNATOR

08-31-2015, 02:28 PM

You forgot that Nash was Super Shredder in TMNT II: Secret of the Ooze.

#GoNinjaGoNinjaGoNInjaGo

Ol Dirty Dastard

08-31-2015, 03:31 PM

Daniel Bryan being mentioned here, made me think of somebody else, given Bryan's success and still leaving that tremendous void of untapped potential.

hb2k, (not so) secretly hoping you catch this. but maybe not unluckiest but still quite unlucky, has to be Ricky Steamboat. He was one of the all time greats, but in the WWF he was on his way up with the epic match vs. Savage at Mania III and being mega popular, but his dipute with Vince assured he would never be able to reach great heights under Vince's employment.

He obviously did very well in NWA/WCW with Flair after, but a main event WWF run really would have been something special for the Dragon, one of the all time great babyfaces. He reminds me of Daniel Bryan, as whenever they seem on the verge of true greatness , something happens just to keep them underneath the glass ceiling. The fact that the two are the absolute ultimate babyface types sort of ties them together for me. Both are all time great workers, who accumulated great success with memorable matches and moments, with major title wins.... but something always seemed to get in the way, keeping them JUST below the ultimate upper echelon.

Big Vic

08-31-2015, 03:57 PM

Rollermacka for being unpinned on Raw.

loopydate

08-31-2015, 04:37 PM

I think Matt Cappotelli has to be very high on the unlucky list. He looked every bit as promising coming out of Tough Enough as John Hennigan/Nitro/Morrison/Mundo, and had some really entertaining stuff in OVW with his fellow TE winner and guys like Jeter and Skyfire. He had a ton of potential until injuries and then finally a tumor brought his career to a screeching halt. Would he have been a mega star? Probably not. But it's terribly unlucky that he never got his shot at the "big time."

NormanSmiley

08-31-2015, 05:08 PM

Also droz. Not that he was ever gonna be worth a fuck

Ol Dirty Dastard

08-31-2015, 05:36 PM

Norman Smiley, I'm offering you a dWo 4lyfe shirt, are you down?

KIRA

08-31-2015, 05:39 PM

X Pac was awesome in the ring you jew.

This is true for all the hate he gets the dude is solid.

NormanSmiley

08-31-2015, 06:29 PM

Gorgeous dale, any offer from ya is solid gold.

Bad News Gertner

08-31-2015, 07:00 PM

I actually went to Toronto this weekend for the sole purpose of fighting Dale Newstead but he didn't show up.

NormanSmiley

08-31-2015, 07:05 PM

Did you tell him you were gonna book the ring and then post a fight location of a woman's gym that doesnt have one? Always a classic move

Bad News Gertner

08-31-2015, 07:15 PM

I challenged him to a taped fist match at the Air Canada Centre.

McLegend

08-31-2015, 07:18 PM

I generally don't believe in wrestlers to be lucky. I do think most of the time people do get to the spot they deserve. I think everything evens out.

However the Brutus argument might contradict me on that.

#1-norm-fan

08-31-2015, 07:19 PM

I challenged him to a taped fist match at the Air Canada Centre.

Did you record it? Could have been a good part of the undercard for the "Pussies no-showing fights" event DVD I'll be selling in a month.

NormanSmiley

08-31-2015, 07:19 PM

I hate how you spell center gertrude. Makes my stomach crawl:|

NormanSmiley

08-31-2015, 07:31 PM

Lmfao @ fan calling gerty a curtain jerker.

Bad News Gertner

08-31-2015, 07:36 PM

I hate how you spell center gertrude. Makes my stomach crawl:|

I'm so sorry for that. Brb, gonna go grab some chocolate milk out of the fridge. Shouldn't be long, it's only a few metres away.

Bad News Gertner

08-31-2015, 07:37 PM

Lol Dale plays rugby and would probably kick my giant ass in a heartbeat.

#1-norm-fan

08-31-2015, 07:40 PM

Lol Dale plays rugby and would probably kick my giant ass in a heartbeat.

Well get on that and we'll make it the main event, then. See if he'll pay for the flight to make it worth your while. I'll give you all proceeds for the sale of the DVD as well. Gonna need SOME actual fighting on this thing.

NormanSmiley

08-31-2015, 07:41 PM

You drinking chocolate milk just makes me despise you even more

Simple Fan

08-31-2015, 07:46 PM

Milk racist

#1-norm-fan

08-31-2015, 07:47 PM

Smiley's such a racist even his reps aren't colored.

Bad News Gertner

08-31-2015, 07:47 PM

Dale plays rugby. I run 5 km races. I see a mis-match.

NormanSmiley

08-31-2015, 07:49 PM

Milk is fucking disgusting. D, 2 percent, skim, almond, pink or chocolate fuck every milk drinker

Bad News Gertner

08-31-2015, 07:52 PM

Now that's just nonsense.

NormanSmiley

08-31-2015, 07:55 PM

Your bullshit un-american spelling is nonsense. Fuckin dino bravo

Simple Fan

08-31-2015, 07:57 PM

What about Yoohoo, thats not milk it chocolate drink.

NormanSmiley

08-31-2015, 07:58 PM

I have never once had a yoohoo to drink. I cannot speak on it

Ol Dirty Dastard

08-31-2015, 09:17 PM

I actually went to Toronto this weekend for the sole purpose of fighting Dale Newstead but he didn't show up.

uh.... I had a barbershop appointment.

NormanSmiley

08-31-2015, 09:20 PM

My partner is fresh to death

Ol Dirty Dastard

08-31-2015, 09:21 PM

dWo's 4lyfeness cannot be denied

parkmania

09-01-2015, 12:31 AM

I agree with Jeff Jarrett being on the Lucky list, but I would also add Jerry Lawler to that argument:

Kid who just wanted to be an artist randomly gets to "give it one try" and goes on to have a career many would give their souls for. Never really gets a full shot in WWE but is so well-established from his territory days that any time he wanted to have a match, he gets instant credibility. Then suffers a heart attack on air while world-class medical personnel are in the same building and save his life.

KIRA

09-03-2015, 01:30 PM

You forgot that Nash was Super Shredder in TMNT II: Secret of the Ooze.

#GoNinjaGoNinjaGoNInjaGo

And even in that he managed to be lazy (being on screen for all of 2mins ) before injuring himself by collapsing the roof.

NormanSmiley

09-03-2015, 05:15 PM

Kevin nash slandering should be banned!

DAMN iNATOR

09-04-2015, 04:40 AM

And even in that he managed to be lazy (being on screen for all of 2mins ) before injuring himself by collapsing the roof.

LOL, injury-prone wrestlers, amirite?

Maluco

09-04-2015, 09:49 PM

Unluckiest - Big Show - horribly booked when he could have been the next Andre. Guy should have been going undefeated and used as a special attraction, a genuine star, but unfortunately entered companies at the wrong time and in the wrong era. Now he has threads about how noone can make him interesting in any situation. Sad and frustrating.

Luckiest - Sandman - no idea how he was able to make a living wrestling for so long. He owes Paul Heyman every cent he ever made because he was horrendous as a performer. If you go back now, he was wasted and all over the place in so many matches, but his character earned him a living, with absolutely no obvious talent.

Mercenary

09-04-2015, 10:21 PM

I have never once had a yoohoo to drink. I cannot speak on it

It's gross

Bad News Gertner

09-05-2015, 12:05 AM

NormanSmiley

09-05-2015, 11:26 AM

Thank you mercenary for looking out for norman!

KIRA

09-05-2015, 04:52 PM

thekrow

09-05-2015, 05:32 PM

In a way I would have to say Matt Rage. His career was cut short in the early days when he got sick with cancer and he was out for a long time before making a kick ass return after beating cancer...but he lost out on so much time and would've been a main eventer/legend now, if he didn't get sick. Like, he is lucky to have beaten cancer and have his health but unlucky in that it has really hurt his career and he didn't get as many accomplishments as his contemporaries like Swede Savard.

Maluco

09-05-2015, 05:44 PM

The Sandman had the ultimate job showing up to work with a beer in your hand being part of that job (being already completely fucking wasted was optional) and you get to hit people over the head with a cane. Lucky as hell.

Lol, you could add that to it too! He really was abysmal. I can understand Gertner liking the wild personality, especially being younger at the time, but he was abysmal and although people sometimes say that performers make the character, I don't think there was any skill involved. He was just a drunk that was allowed to hit people lol.

thekrow

09-05-2015, 05:54 PM

Lol, you could add that to it too! He really was abysmal. I can understand Gertner liking the wild personality, especially being younger at the time, but he was abysmal and although people sometimes say that performers make the character, I don't think there was any skill involved. He was just a drunk that was allowed to hit people lol.

hahaha reminds me a lot of Xristo Diavlo! All he does is drink and hits people!

Ol Dirty Dastard

09-05-2015, 07:11 PM

hahaha reminds me a lot of Xristo Diavlo! All he does is drink and hits people!

what the fuck are you talking about?

Listened to the podcast, going to make an argument with you beautiful men. I didn't say Arn would be champion, I said he could have had a few main even pay days (re: War Games). He was probably more politically savvy than Flair in that he didn't anger people so intensely, so he was always around to fill a hole when need be, if someone got injured and they needed someone strong to either be put over to sort of carry things over to the next months, or put someone over. That's what being versatile like Arn could lead to, as far as I'm concerned.

Great job as usual.

SlickyTrickyDamon

09-05-2015, 07:13 PM

Owen was not the better fit than Bret. Rose coloured glasses my friend.

If he had a better promo he'd have been the better Hart. He had Bret's technical with the high flying ability too. Bret wasn't a master orator by any stretch so Owen was pretty terrible.

Ol Dirty Dastard

09-05-2015, 07:17 PM

If he had a better promo he'd have been the better Hart. He had Bret's technical with the high flying ability too. Bret wasn't a master orator by any stretch so Owen was pretty terrible.

It's not as simple as being a "better talker". It's about how you carry yourself and how you wrestle. Bret wrestled like a main event champion, Owen didn't. Plus, Owen COULD fly certainly, but most of his run in the WWF was spent NOT flying (insert obvious joke about his death here... aka fuck off). His work was good, and he was for sure a great worker, but he did not string together the body of work Bret did. He just did not work a main event style. Maybe over time it could have progressed there, but to me, I've never seen it, at least at Bret's level.

I think Sean Waltman made the point, while Owen was great, he just didn't take it all that seriously, whereas Bret did, and that's why Bret was Bret and Owen was Owen. Maybe if Owen took it as seriously as Bret, he could have been the number one Hart, but he just wasn't, talking aside. He was not the worker that Bret was.

KIRA

09-05-2015, 07:29 PM

It's not as simple as being a "better talker". It's about how you carry yourself and how you wrestle. Bret wrestled like a main event champion, Owen didn't. Plus, Owen COULD fly certainly, but most of his run in the WWF was spent NOT flying (insert obvious joke about his death here... aka fuck off). His work was good, and he was for sure a great worker, but he did not string together the body of work Bret did. He just did not work a main event style. Maybe over time it could have progressed there, but to me, I've never seen it, at least at Bret's level.

I think Sean Waltman made the point, while Owen was great, he just didn't take it all that seriously, whereas Bret did, and that's why Bret was Bret and Owen was Owen. Maybe if Owen took it as seriously as Bret, he could have been the number one Hart, but he just wasn't, talking aside. He was not the worker that Bret was.

I can see your point I still maintain that Bret put me to sleep while Owen held my attention but we are different people. I've watched Bret and I just don't see the appeal outside of his heel turn which I think because he was a lot more brutal I wound up really digging it.

SlickyTrickyDamon

09-05-2015, 07:46 PM

Bret taking it too seriously was his biggest flaw. Owen looked like he was having fun. That kind of energy Bret never had.

Ol Dirty Dastard

09-05-2015, 07:57 PM

Bret taking it too seriously was his biggest flaw. Owen looked like he was having fun. That kind of energy Bret never had.

Owen was nowhere near as authentic as Bret. Heaven forbid someone takes their profession seriously not worrying about it not being cool.

Bad News Gertner

09-05-2015, 07:58 PM

hahaha reminds me a lot of Xristo Diavlo! All he does is drink and hits people!

Love this so much

Ol Dirty Dastard

09-05-2015, 07:59 PM

Love this so much

fuck you Gertner, you pain in the ass :rant:

Ol Dirty Dastard

09-05-2015, 08:01 PM

You can claim Bret put you to sleep as much as you want, but you can't argue with his body of work, and that many more of his matches are critically acclaimed.

Damian Rey

09-05-2015, 10:02 PM

Gorgeous speaking the beautiful truth.

Anybody Thrilla

09-05-2015, 10:12 PM

A few things:

A) Bret was not a terrible promo by any stretch. As a heel, I'd even go as far to say he was a pretty damn good promo.

B) Owen was a great promo too. He was also hilarious on commentary when they let him do that.

C) Fuck all this Hart hate. They were both amazing.

Anybody Thrilla

09-05-2015, 10:13 PM

Bret Hart is probably in something like 85% of my favorite matches of all time.

Ol Dirty Dastard

09-05-2015, 10:16 PM

Owen was the motherfucking shit. Love him. But he wasn't a main even talent, at least while Bret was around.

Anybody Thrilla

09-05-2015, 10:18 PM

Owen was the first heel that I ever cheered for. As much as I loved him, though, he would have seemed out of place in the main event. If he ever were going to win the big one, it would have HAD to have been in the Bret feud. Once that didn't happen, I think he was placed right where he needed to be.

Damian Rey

09-05-2015, 10:44 PM

Had Owen made it to the brand split era, he would've been as featured a talent as Edge,Jericho, JBL, Booker T, Kane, Big Show, del Rio and other guys who were "the man" on Smackdown but never really THE man.

Just a victim of his time. Owen would be an amazing foil to Cena these days. He just got lost in incredibly deep and talented roster in the mid to late 90s.

Damian Rey

09-05-2015, 10:47 PM

Bret taking it too seriously was his biggest flaw. Owen looked like he was having fun. That kind of energy Bret never had.

This is silly. How does someone take what they do too seriously a flaw?

Anybody Thrilla

09-05-2015, 11:08 PM

By STD's logic, The Funkasaurus is a first ballot hall of famer.

Anybody Thrilla

09-05-2015, 11:09 PM

Followed by cabbage-patching Lance Storm and Adam Rose.

SlickyTrickyDamon

09-05-2015, 11:24 PM

This is silly. How does someone take what they do too seriously a flaw?

He was a mark for himself.

Anybody Thrilla

09-05-2015, 11:25 PM

Every great wrestler is a mark for himself. C'mon son.

Anybody Thrilla

09-05-2015, 11:27 PM

And if you're even talking about what happened in that place in Quebec, that was an isolated incident. That definitely shouldn't be the man's entire legacy.

Ol Dirty Dastard

09-05-2015, 11:31 PM

He was a mark for himself.

I'm a mark for myself. What's your point?

Anybody Thrilla

09-05-2015, 11:33 PM

I'm about to stare at myself in the mirror for two hours once people stop responding to my posts tonight.

Damian Rey

09-05-2015, 11:34 PM

Name one star who wasn't a mark for themselves? Being a mark for themselves meant that when the time came to do the job the guy who got the rub benefited. Warrior beating Hogan or HBK beating Bret doesn't mean shit if you had put a Chris Jericho type in the role of doing the job.

Anybody Thrilla

09-05-2015, 11:44 PM

Even Chris Jericho wrote three books. Tell me he's not a mark for himself too.

Anybody Thrilla

09-05-2015, 11:45 PM

He just didn't ever really have any power potential, so to speak. Cruiserweight in WCW, non-homegrown talent in WWF. If he COULD have had more stroke, he would have used it. He started feuding with Goldberg (the hottest thing in WCW at the time) without anyone asking him to. Think about that.

Love Jericho, btw.

Damian Rey

09-05-2015, 11:58 PM

As do I. But if Bret, Hogan or even Cena laid down as seemingly voluntarily as he did they wouldn't have mattered near as much nor been such a big deal to beat cleanly.

Anybody Thrilla

09-06-2015, 12:01 AM

Agreed

Ol Dirty Dastard

09-06-2015, 12:06 AM

As do I. But if Bret, Hogan or even Cena laid down as seemingly voluntarily as he did they wouldn't have mattered near as much nor been such a big deal to beat cleanly.

And plus Bret never buried guys when he beat them. He always upped their profile, unlike Hogan

SlickyTrickyDamon

09-06-2015, 12:16 AM

Bret didn't have the buyrates/power to bury guys.

Ol Dirty Dastard

09-06-2015, 12:27 AM

Bret didn't have the buyrates/power to bury guys.

Nor did Michaels or diesel, but they still did.

Damian Rey

09-06-2015, 01:18 AM

Buyrates/power have jack shit to do with the ability to elevate another worker simply by working with them. Putting Owen over at Wrestlemania was the biggest win of Owen's career, not because Bret was some jobber but because he was a fucking winner and beating him mattered.

When HBK beat Bret for the title? Bret was a winner. It meant something. Bret making Waltman look like he could go with the big dogs in valiant loss to the champ on Raw. Austin losing to Bret but coming out a bonafide superstar.

Buyrates or not it's hard to point to other guys who've been able to accomplish that. How many guys did HBK or diesel make? Hogan? The only one who's been able to replicate what Bret did is Cena.

Ol Dirty Dastard

09-06-2015, 01:42 AM

If Cena's wrasslin was a little less sloppy he would be on Bret's level as far all around wrestling, bell to bell (not the entire package though, cuz an easy argument could say Cena is better than Bret, and as much as I'd argue for Bret til the bitter end, it's a fair argument regardless). Cena is a fucking tremendous in ring talent, but he does what I like to call "Hollywood" moves, similar to Hogan and The Rock, where it just takes away the air of authenticity behind it... though particularly with The Rock and John Cena, it doesn't hinder their bell-to-bell THAT much. Just a nitpick I guess.

Damian Rey

09-06-2015, 01:50 AM

I agree. He has a very main event, more theatrical style in which he works his matches. But God damn it I've been so impressed with his work the least few years, especially this year, that I have to hand it to the guy. Sure, I'd like some character development and sometimes the promos get dull, but Jesus H. Christ he's put on a string of just tremendous matches week after week after week.

For all intents and purposes Cena should have won over anybody who is a naysayer of his in ring work. Guy's been a stud this year.

DAMN iNATOR

09-06-2015, 04:53 AM

Kevin nash slandering should be banned!

Only during #Nashvember.

DAMN iNATOR

09-06-2015, 04:57 AM

Cena definitely should consider himself fortunate. He's fine from that botched move during his match with Owens at that house show Friday.

I respect the hell out of Cena, but I do NOT want to see him take back the U.S. title @ NoC in 2 weeks. Let Rollins hold it for a bit along with the WWE WHC.

KIRA

09-06-2015, 06:46 AM

And if you're even talking about what happened in that place in Quebec, that was an isolated incident. That definitely shouldn't be the man's entire legacy.

And yet somehow(probably because the WWE and mainstream wrestling in general refused to let it die)

And yes Owen was awesome on commentary I was just watching Ahmed V Goldust and something about Owens comments during that match just crack me up.

KIRA

09-06-2015, 07:01 AM

hb2k

09-06-2015, 07:41 AM

Just want to thank everybody for their suggestions, we got to read a lot of them on the show, which is now available to listen to at the following link:

http://squaredcirclegazette.podbean.com/mf/play/peru2y/SCGRadio53-TheLuckiestandUnluckiestWrestlersEver.mp3

Join the panel as we talk the luckiest and unluckiest wrestlers in the history of the business, discussing the careers of Kevin Nash, Daniel Bryan, Bruno Sammartino, Bob Backlund, Ahmed Johnson, Mr. Kennedy, Sid, Bret Hart, Shawn Michaels, Steve Austin, Brian Pillman, Ted DiBiase, Brutus Beefcake, Jake Roberts, and yes, Triple H, as well as many more! A really fun show this week as break down the chance elements that led many to their destinations, check it out~!

Bad News Gertner

09-06-2015, 10:43 AM

Wooooo my post got read

Maluco

09-06-2015, 12:57 PM

hahaha reminds me a lot of Xristo Diavlo! All he does is drink and hits people!

I actually thought of Diavlo too man, but he has much better psychology, too talented to just say its luck!

Bad News Gertner

09-06-2015, 09:07 PM

Bo Dallas is a modern day Bret Hart

Ol Dirty Dastard

09-06-2015, 10:01 PM

Heath Slater is a modern day Reno Riggins

Bad News Gertner

09-06-2015, 10:20 PM

Heath Slater is the modern day Kevin Sullivan.

Also, Bo has better mic skills than Bret, so that's a bad comparison by me.

Rollermacka

09-07-2015, 02:43 PM

He wasn't completely but I would put Dr. Death Steve Williams on the "unlucky" list. The man was an amazing wrestler and had a "full" career in Japan and the territories.... but I guess it would be unlucky for him to end up ending his career with the Brawl for All and never getting a chance to shine in the WWE.

Rollermacka

09-07-2015, 02:49 PM

Another "Dr. Death" that was kinda unlucky was David Schultz. He is the "infamous" wrestler that slapped John Stossel in the face for saying that wrestling was fake in the 80s. Then again, it was both an unlucky/ lucky situation for him. Unlucky because the slap affectively ended his career but I guess he could also be considered lucky because if not for slapping a reporter live on 20/20, he probably wouldn't be remembered by fans.

SlickyTrickyDamon

09-07-2015, 02:56 PM

I remember he was on TNT and he invited the camera crew to dinner with his wife and kids. He spent the whole time berated his stupid children and lazy wife. Kicked everybody out. Hilarious.

Bad News Gertner

09-07-2015, 04:20 PM

Dr. David Schultz was basically a JTTS at the time anyways. He was doing jobs for Tito Santana and Andre. He would have probably moved on within 6 months even if the incident didn't occur.

KIRA

09-07-2015, 04:38 PM

New Day are lucky, originally they appeared to be something of New Nation of Domination and people were into the idea,having Big E as the muscle Kofi as the high flyer, and Xavier Woods,a guy who has multiple degrees IRL as the evil mastermind. All three then disappear from television and show up a few months later with the militant gimmick entirely dropped and in its place a weird gospel gimmick that everyone except the increasingly senile Vince McMahon thought was utter shit,The New Day were supposed to be faces but they were met with either boos or apathy every time they appeared.The WWE has been known to ignore fan reactions so this could've easily just continued to be the case with New Day being relegated to a team of jobber faces who fans had no reason to care about until they showed up on TV every once in a blue moon.Instead the WWE acknowledged the fans hatred which led to New Day KEEPING the gimmick and turning it up to super unbearable. It worked it shouldn't have, but it did. The New day managed to go from an also ran trio of jobbers to an amazing heel stable that has consistently managed to entertain and fans are loving it. Could've just as easily gone the other way.

Anybody Thrilla

09-07-2015, 11:52 PM

KIRA

09-08-2015, 12:46 AM

All three of the New Day dudes are ultra talented, though. I'd say they were unlucky with creative having nothing for them for so long, but they ended up making their own fortune out of the New Day gimmick.

Oh they are super talented but that would have meant nothing had they not gotten the chance to play with that DOA gimmick they were stuck with.

Johnny Curtis is stupid talented and look at him.

sidenote:NEW DAY main eventing RAW again tonight and being hands down the best thing about the show. Words I thought I'd never ever say.