Jessica Jones - Netflix Original Series

[Lock Jaw]

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Might as well make a thread for this. Comes out in one month! I never read the Alias comic books, so this will be all new to me. Looks like it will be "quite dark"....

[Corporate CockSnogger]

I know very little about the source, but I'm looking forward to David Tennant as Purple Man

[slik]

This looks pretty good

[Rammsteinmad]

Typical "is that black guy Luke Cage?" question right here.

[Lock Jaw]

Yes. Yes, he is.

[Jura]

Is Jon Jones ducking Jessica Jones?

[Shadow]

God damn Tennant. You're gonna make this fucking series work.

[The Destroyer]

Never really followed Jessica Jones in the comics so I wasn't too excited when this first got announced. Trailer makes it look pretty good though. :y:

[Blonde Moment]

God damn Tennant. You're gonna make this fucking series work.

Like you didn't know that already...
It's Tennant

[Fignuts]

Never really followed Jessica Jones in the comics so I wasn't too excited when this first got announced. Trailer makes it look pretty good though. :y:

Alias is actually extremely good. You should look it up. Can't find it on marvel unlimited because it's a max title but it's totally worth reading.

[Corporate CockSnogger]

Just renewed Netflix membership. 20 minutes to go. Let's do thisssss.

[Corporate CockSnogger]

Damm. Maybe not. Just read it'll be uploaded at midnight America time. I'm sure Daredevil was uploaded midnight UK time on our Netflix.

Oh well. I'll just watch some in the morning before work instead of tonight.

[ClockShot]

Holding off on watching this until after Thanksgiving.

On vacation then and I'll have something to watch.

[Blonde Moment]

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[Blonde Moment]

So far so good.
Might limit myself to 2 a day to stretch it out.

[Corporate CockSnogger]

Purple Man has a good level of creepiness in the first ep. Think I'm gonna try and watch a couple of episodes tomorrow morning, then hinge whatever's left on Sunday.

[The Destroyer]

Might start on this later today but I'm feeling a bit burned out on TV, been playing catchup since I got back from holiday. Reviews look good, so hopefully it's going to be up to Daredevil standards.

[Shadow]

Will watch the first episode of this or so with dinner tonight then do the rest at work or something.

[Tammy]

Jessica makes me milky and horny call me at 914-966-0600 or text me heyKIRA at #45678

[slik]

Super looking forward to this series. Going to try and binge it over the weekend.

[Kalyx triaD]

On the last two eps left.

Purple Man needs his own show.

[Lock Jaw]

So, I finished this already.

Overall a very dark show. Overall, not sure I liked it more than Daredevil, but was pretty sweet.

Killgrave the most creepy evil villain possible. The feeling of tension and paranoia was almost "too intense" sometimes.... I can't even "fathom" a being with that kind of powers and what he could do....

Not sure how a season 2 could possibly top this season. How do you from something as intensely personal and threatening as this, to go to investigating a shady company behind your origins......

[VSG]

Halfway through the season and I like it. Not as much as Daredevil but this can definitely stand on its own. I just wonder if this is going to go like Heroes with a villain that can't be matched in future seasons.

[Corporate CockSnogger]

Fight scenes are a bit shit. All Jessica does is throw people or lift them off the ground. I don't think she's even thrown a punch yet.

I guess it sort of makes sense since she's not trained to be a fighter, just has super strength, just doesn't make for extremely interesting fight scenes.

[Corporate CockSnogger]

Tennant is Fantastic though.

[Lock Jaw]

Spent last night trying to sleep, but pondering this show...

Like, I really don't know what the right course of action would have been....

Jessica decided not to kill Killgrave at first, but to try to get evidence to save Hope..... but as a result many more lives were destroyed and Hope killed herself (which was devastating, BTW).... All stuff that Jessica couldn't know would happen, but still....

Had they killed him when they first had the chance, a lot of death, pain, and misery could have been spared.... but Hope would have been stuck in jail for 20 years....

Essentially, Simpson was right from the beginning in calling that they should kill him... being able to see things from an "objective" POV.... but I guess Jessica was hoping to get some sort of justice, not only for Hope, but for herself as well....

But then had to give up all Hope on getting justice, and finally just settled for ending it....

[VSG]

Yeah pretty much. Now that I finished the season I understand that the partnership in the middle of the season was never going to work either even if I wanted it to go on longer.

[Kalyx triaD]

Finished it.

- Nice that Claire's essentially the Agent Coulson of these shows.
- Kilgrave was just menacing. And kind of hilarious. But yeah scary.
- Great Hellcat sequence when 'Patsy' got the super steroids. Wonder how far this operation goes and if any big players (AIM, Hydra) are involved.
- If Luke has connections to the experiments Kilgrave was subject to, were they connected to IGH as well? I thought they were going that direction but I guess not.
- Even more reveals of how absolutely horrifying the final battle of Avengers was for people.
- Two Defenders down, two to go.

[dronepool]

Awesome show.

Kilgrave is probaly MCU's creepiest villain yet. Loved him and everybody else.

[Kalyx triaD]

Reuben's twin sister/lover whatever that was is the most bizarre character and story arc I've seen in some time. Dude's face when he took her to her bro's resting place was basically my face. "You're in to me, I get it. The romantic backdrop, it's working." Fucking wow.

After today I'm not gonna be on this spoiler tag thing just like DD. You had a weekend. Ye be warned.

[Lock Jaw]

A weekend really isn't "appropriate time" for spoilers.... but yeah, people should probably just stay out...

On the subject of the twin sister.... I believe she said "It's not working" about the "romantic backdrop"..... Also, I don't know why you put twin sister/lover.... did not get the "lover" vibe after they said they were twins.... Just two very weird, probably mentally challenged in some way, people.....

[Kalyx triaD]

I'm pretty sure it was implied there was weird shit going on especially with how she assumed Jessica was in to him but sure, maybe I took a crack Jessica made overly serious.

[CSL]

4 episodes in, much better than Daredevil. Probably the most interesting thing Marvel have done on TV or film for me if it continues this way.

[Rammsteinmad]

Did you enjoy Daredevil, though?

[CSL]

eventually, first 4-5 episodes felt like a giant slog (although I'm good with slow-burn stuff, I don't think that was the case, just thought it was pretty dull) so I'll check out season 2. Have liked this from episode 1 however.

[mitchables]

i'm about six episodes in, digging it heaps and v impressed etc but my issue is less with the show itself than its role in the mcu and what it says about how fractured marvel's 'shared' universe has gotten when you've got not only major franchise characters that can't be referred to by name ("the big green guy", "the flag waver" etc) or their actions only get referred to in passing ("the incident", "dropping a city out of the sky"), not to mention the barely noticeable tv adventures of s.h.i.e.l.d, but you've got two shows on the same freaking network/streaming service/whatever that are supposed to be part and parcel of establishing a big ol' team-up show down the line but feel barely related at this stage. maybe i am speaking out of turn having not yet watched to the conclusion, i don't know.

i know there's a crossover still to come with the night nurse and all but like... no passing reference to the vigilante running around hell's kitchen? the fact that there were like... several explosions in a few days in the neighbourhood? daredevil was literally all over the frigging news in his own show, but to watch jessica jones you wouldn't know it. there have been plenty of opportunities for throwaway references - not even direct ones TO murdock, but even just things in his universe; jeri could've offered to refer hope's case to the other big firm that matt and foggy left to start theirs, for example, just to show this is still the same borough, much less the same universe.

just seems weird that on arrow/flash, every other week it's "cisco whipped this up at star labs" or "i sent this to caitlin" or "barry couldn't be here", or once or twice a season, "holy shit it's barry and caitlin and cisco" and it's like, YEAH, arrow and flash SHARE a universe. this is nice. this is good. this is how it should be. it's not JUST the payoff of having robert downey jr show up at the end of your hulk movie so that it can be claimed to be 'in continuity'; especially on tv, it's the week-to-week reminders that this is still a part of something bigger that also count.

i get that jessica jones, being a max book, technically occupied her own little corner of the marvel universe anyway, but her best friend was carol danvers and she solved cases for superheroes and luke cage became an avenger, so she didn't exist in a vacuum. and with things moving towards defenders faster than they seem prepared for, i don't know if playing it the same way they played the pre-avengers films - ie completely separately - is the best path to take. or, if it is, then the singular 'shared universe' maybe doesn't matter off the big-screen as much as we thought it did.

[mitchables]

tl;dr: show is amazing but the singular mcu seems increasingly vague and unnecessary

[VSG]

Keep watching but yeah nothing like what CW does.

[Blonde Moment]

Will have to see wha tthe Second season of Daredevil does as well as Luke Cage

[Frank Drebin]

Solid show. Dark as fuck. Wasn't impressed with the villain at first but he wound up being one of the best. Not really interested in a Luke Cage show to go along with Jones and DD though. Whatever. Really enjoyed this.

[Kalyx triaD]

Completely agree with Mitch. If they're afraid of saying certain things that would harm the tone (Shit, Sex, Drugs, Rape, CHITAURI), that's fine. But it's starting to get noticeable how they go out of their way to keep things vague. It's cool that Trish flat out says aliens did attack but even that makes the other vague references stand out. And yeah, it's even more jarring since these people are literally a few blocks away from each other.

[dronepool]

Did anyone catch the Dark Knight references?

There was 2 of them.

[Lock Jaw]

Tell us.

[Kalyx triaD]

Like... Batman Dark Knight?

[Lock Jaw]

Also, I am on the opposite boat of liking that it didn't reference the "larger MCU" more. Makes it feel more "special".

I didn't feel like it was awkward at all. Not like Supergirl is.

[Frank Drebin]

This was also supposed to take place in Hell's Kitchen, right? I remember at one point, JJ said she needed a lawyer and, totally forgetting about Jeri, I thought she was going to mention DD.

[dronepool]

Tell us.

Like... Batman Dark Knight?

After Simpson asks Jessica if she's alright, she replies with "What doesn't kill us makes us stranger."

"You can die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain if you let life take control"

[Lock Jaw]

Yeah... probably noticed them at the time.

[Kalyx triaD]

After Simpson asks Jessica if she's alright, she replies with "What doesn't kill us makes us stranger."

"You can die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain if you let life take control"

Hmm. Seems like coincidences.

[Corporate CockSnogger]

Just finished it. I think I maybe preferred it to Daredevil, but I could be getting swayed by being a fan of Tennant.

Only downside was the sibling neighbours. Horrible characters.

[McLegend]

Anyone else think there is something weird about Carrie Ann-Moss' neck?

[mitchables]

crossover was a nice touch but the finale? felt kinda shoehorned in. could've been more incremental and organic over the course of the season instead of BAM HEY REMEMBER THE NIGHT NURSE

still A+ maiden season though. nuke should be fun next round or whenever. tennant was incredible as per usual. keen for luke cage. weird that iron fist series might not go ahead in its original form since daredevil actually laid a fair bit of groundwork for it (which i guess added to my bemusement at jj's lack of world-acknowledgment)

[CSL]

finished a few nights ago, thought it dropped of quality wise over the last few episodes but still enjoyed it as a whole. Claire stuff in the last episode was a bit daft, "yes strange bitch lady I've known for 1 minute with unconscious strange man, I will leave my shift at work as well as probably break however many rules or protocols and come and stay with you for days :y:"

[Lock Jaw]

Yeah, I agree a bit about Night Nurse showing up in the last episode. Felt like "Oh, so NOW you're gonna do a bit of crossover? You had all season!"

[McLegend]

I think Daredevil overall was much better. Also I think Wilson Fisk was better developed character then Kilgrave. I sympathized a lot more with Fisk then I ever could with Kilgrave... Now with that said...

Kilgrave is a terrifiying villian. What a fuckin menance. He might be Marvel's best villian so far. A lot of that stuff was disturbing.

[Kalyx triaD]

The blender 'Are you focused now?' scene obliterated my nerves.

[Sixx]

The episode where Jessica takes Kilgrave to do good is just fucking brilliant.

I started watching a few days ago, but was drunk and had to rewatch so I'm 8 episodes in. I was never into the character of Jessica Jones in the comics, didn't care about her at all, but this show is amazing. They keep up the good work they could make a TV show about Phone Ranger and make it cool.

[Sixx]

Btw, anyone else thinks Det. Clemons totally looks like Morgan Freeman?

Also, I knew I recognized the character from somewhere and sure enough, he was in Punisher comics. He beat his wife and he died trying to help his partner who owed the mob.

[KIRA]

It's such an odd feeling being weirded out by David Tennant

[Sixx]

Fight scenes are a bit shit. All Jessica does is throw people or lift them off the ground. I don't think she's even thrown a punch yet.

I guess it sort of makes sense since she's not trained to be a fighter, just has super strength, just doesn't make for extremely interesting fight scenes.

Yeah, I got one episode left to watch. The last had the fight scene between Jones and Cage. It was fucking terrible.

[Sixx]

OK, finished it. Good show overall.

Bruno Mars was so much better when he was on drugs, when he cleaned up he became an irritating pussy. Fuck that guy. Or give him drugs again, dunno.

[Kalyx triaD]

I think he was a pretty good character to really dig into the 'real' effects of being a normal person caught up in the MCU's crazy world. I imagine people Loki put under control could use that support group. Selvic was near crazy after Avengers.

[Tom Guycott]

tl;dr: show is amazing but the singular mcu seems increasingly vague and unnecessary

I'm very late to the party. Just started JJ, and only 3 eps in, so I super danced around all those spoiler tags... even the incorrectly made one by Kt.

But I just wanted to reply to this particular thing. I don't feel the same way. I like that the world is shared, but don't need to see a crossover every other show (like Flash) to enjoy their own stories. Even that is a weird meter, because the DC 'verse is segregated between TV and cinematic... Batman exists, but it is technically neither Bale nor Affleck, he just "is Batman" somewhere in the ether.

I don't pick up an X-Men comic and expect to see a team-up every time, but am aware they share continuity with Spider-Man, Shi'ar, or Alpha Flight. Also, there is no hard measure of time between this and DD save for this being post-Avengers, so who's to say the lack of Daredevil crossover isn't partially due to this not running exactly parallel? Kinda like the first Resident Evil movie, where it technically began before the first game, but Alice ends up waking up in the hospital about the time period during the second game, but had no immediate bearing or interactions with either. It was a beautiful standalone story that still took place in universe. Shoehorning her into the events directly with major game characters, which is what the sequels did, is where they started getting dumb really fast.

It is nice to have the *possibility* of interaction, but it doesn't need to be everywhere all the time. Especially since every new show with more characters farther down the MCU hierarchy are looked at as experimental, and not knowing if the show will take off or fail.

[Rammsteinmad]

I'm eight episodes in. Fantastic show! I enjoyed Daredevil more but that's mainly because I'm more familiar with the characters (and DD is one of my faves). I've never actually seen David Tenant in anything, but he has been brilliant as Kilgrave.

[Miotch]

This was quite good, but like most have said I don't think it touches Daredevil. It will be interesting to see the formation of Heroes for Hire in Luke Cage.

[Kalyx triaD]

I haven't thought of that. Luke's show is a good place for Iron Fist to debut.

[Miotch]

Misty Knight confirmed, so I think it's all but certain. Iron Fist still up in the air though, which seems ridiculous to me.

[McLegend]

This might be unfair statement, but a Luke Cage show doesn't interest me at all.

[Lock Jaw]

Misty Knight confirmed, so I think it's all but certain. Iron Fist still up in the air though, which seems ridiculous to me.

He is definitely getting his own show.

[Sixx]

http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/GraphicCity/news/?a=127731

Marvel hired Scott Buck as Iron Fist showrunner.

Scott Buck produced Six Feet Under and Dexter for a while.

[Rammsteinmad]

Finished! Loved it! As I said before, Tenant was an absolute joy to watch, and was so hate-able. Loving the "Marvel Knights" series or whatever these street-vigilante-level heroes are being classed as. Can't wait for whatever's next, and I'd love to see some crossover stuff with the movies at some point. Perhaps Daredevil could have a cameo in Civil War?

[ron the dial]

binged the whole thing today. great series. loved the dark tone. probably shouldn't have watched it all in one day. just want more now.

[Sixx]

binged the whole thing today. great series. loved the dark tone. probably shouldn't have watched it all in one day. just want more now.

I watched it in a matter of about a week, but I still feel empty inside now.

[Tom Guycott]

Just finished. Fuck.

I know it is a long shot, and what I posted before about crossovers still holds true, but I really hope some circumstance has Rosario show up in a movie. Or at least an episode of Agents. Hell, even land her a job with Damage Control.

Less to do with Night Nurse, and more to do with me wanting more Rosario Dawson.

[Tom Guycott]

Also, the whole show has had a lingering distraction of me equating Krysten Ritter with Dr. Girlfriend that I couldn't unsee, so I had to look past. The strong facial features, the upturned nose, the perperual "pissed at The Monarch" look she had the whole time... she's a Doc Hammer overdub away.

[Shadow]

Look me in the fucking eye and tell me you wouldn't wreck Dr. Mrs. The Monarch?

[Fignuts]

Finally got around to watching this. Think I like it more than daredevil. Mainly because the cat and mouse game between jess and killgrave was a blast the whole way through whereas daredevil while also great, dragged at times.

And yeah, killgrave was awesome. Not much else that needs to be said there.

Had no idea Nuke was going to be in this. I didn't even know officer simpson was Nuke until he was in the hospital and he said "Gimme a red" and I marked out like crazy.

Pretty obvious at this point that Killgrave, Jess, and Luke were all given powers by IGH which is a cover for some evil organization, my guess being A.I.M.

[Kalyx triaD]

I would love for AIM to have a hand in this. Or anything that ties further to the MCU. They should stop being shy about it already.

[slik]

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[Destor]

so much yes

[Helmsphere]

Holy Shit, So excited and thank god my Netflix is already paid for 3 months so I don't forget to watch this.

[Lock Jaw]

Gonna be very hard, probably impossible, to top the first season. Looking forward to this a lot, though.

[Helmsphere]

Well So Far, Netflix is 1-0 in the Second Season being better then the first when it comes to Marvel.

[Lock Jaw]

I'd say Daredevil season 1 was better than season 2

[Helmsphere]

Both were good, but I liked 2 more. Just felt it flowed and lacked the lag of Season 1 which was a better story ark. I just only rate it lower because of the lagging of things in Season 1.

[RP]

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I loved season one mostly because David Tennant is amazing in everything and he was amazing as Kilgrave. And based on the end of that trailer, it looks like Kilgrave could be back. God I hope so.

[RP]

I'd say Daredevil season 1 was better than season 2

The Punisher story lines in season two and the scenes were amazing. I thought the Punisher killing scenes in Daredevil season 2 were more graphic then in his own show.

[Kalyx triaD]

I sincerely hope the directors stunt doesn't screw up this season.

[Lock Jaw]

What stunt?

[Kalyx triaD]

Marvel Studios excluded male directors. Every director this season is female, by gimmick rather than merit. I'm not a fan of that kind of thing, not with WW or BP either (though they lucked out). Cpt Marvel also disqualified based on gender for a female director. Probably gonna be a 'thing' now.

[Destor]

Sexist/racist decisions like those are very sexy right now

[RP]

#metoo

[Sixx]

Heh, I wasn't keeping track so I had no idea season 2 was so close to be released. Was at a bus stop and saw a poster, which just had "Jessica Jones, March 8th", no mention it's season 2 and was like "Oh come the fuck on, are we seriously over 2 years late with that show?" but then I went home and checked. Good, gonna binge that shit.

[Lock Jaw]

Yeah, I saw yesterday that it dropped on the 8th and I had the same reaction (except for thinking it was talking about the first season)

[XL]

I think Sixx thought it was about the first season too.

[Sixx]

I think Sixx thought it was about the first season too.

I think what he meant was that he did NOT think that. :D

[XL]

Ah. I see. He had the same reaction in that he hadn’t been keeping track and was surprised.

[Sixx]

Ah. I see. He had the same reaction in that he hadn’t been keeping track and was surprised.

I think so.

Anyway, I don't have Netflix, but people are kind and the torrents are up the very same day. :)

[Lock Jaw]

I think it's gonna be very tough to top the first season

[Sixx]

Yeah, people that've already seen it say it lacks a villain.

Hard to top Tennant, but is there even a particular villain here? Trailer shows some Asian guy a few times, but he doesn't seem like much.

[XL]

I never made it to the end of Season 1 (also haven’t watched DD S2, Luke Cage, Iron Fist, or Defenders).

[Destor]

Season 1 is a high bar. Im hoping its half as good.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Just finished episode 6. So halfway thru. Shit'd getting heavy. It's a different vibe from season 1. Good character progra progression. Interesting storyline with, so far, less stakes but still intimate to the character.

[RP]

5 episodes through and its boring as fuck. I have no clue who JJ is even looking for. I dont think she knows. I not even sure the script knows as of 5 episodes. I feel like the first 5 episodes have been stuck in the mud and cant get out.

[Kalyx triaD]

Finished.

Gonna give another few days before giving my full thoughts but I will say Jessica Jones is becoming legit unlikable as a character to me. Conversely, I kinda like all her supporting characters a lot more. Especially Trish.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

I like Malcolm a lot. Seems the least selfish

[Blonde Moment]

Trish
I wonder if they will go the Hellcat route with her or take her on Tigra's Journey. Provided there is another season

[Blonde Moment]

Finished.

Gonna give another few days before giving my full thoughts but I will say is becoming legit unlikable as a character to me. Conversely, I kinda like all her supporting characters a lot more. Especially Trish.

I think the point of Jessica Jones,currently, is exactly that. She is unlikable, she knows she is unlikeable partially because of shit that went down in her past and partially because it's just in her nature to be a loner. I assume the next season will either continue with her actually "living" and having to deal with the fallout from that or we find her living out of a bottle again because she managed to fuck it up. Again.

[Kalyx triaD]

No; I 100% know all about the various versions of the louse archetype. I can promise you the impression I'm getting is not a 'point of character', 'boo at the heel' thing.

She was legit unlikable this season. I know exactly what you're referring to and can probably elaborate on it a great deal myself, but her direction this season was mishandled.

[KIRA]

No; I 100% know all about the various versions of the louse archetype. I can promise you the impression I'm getting is not a 'point of character', 'boo at the heel' thing.

She was legit unlikable this season. I know exactly what you're referring to and can probably elaborate on it a great deal myself, but her direction this season was mishandled.

I wanna say that her character has devolved into being unlikeable where she was Sympathetic and understandable in her "louseness" and just a likable grouch in Defenders. Now we get to see that she just cannot deal shes a miserable person and the only help shes interested in is the bottle that coupled with the stuff shes been asking herself/blaming herself for we a Jessica that I do think is unlikeable on purpose.

[Kalyx triaD]

Have no issue that she drinks and is overwhelmed by her trauma. Again, I know the difference between intention and poor character. This isn't a Vicky Guerero thing, it's an X-Pac thing.

[Tom Guycott]

I kinda felt like this season was written by someone from Telltale - particularly someone who worked on Game of Thrones and Walking Dead - in that it seemed like the worst possible fuckups and outcomes was where everything immediately went. It was one big cascading critical failure, and much like my issues with Punisher in that Frank had relied one too many times on luck and happenstance to get out of situations rather than him being a badass solider, this was like a 180. . It turned into a whole session of "well, how is *this* going to go horribly wrong?" Nobody is that fucking unlucky. Not even me.

I don't have nearly as much of a problem with Jessica herself like kT does as much as I take issue with her entire section of the universe going to total shit.

[Kalyx triaD]

Yeah there's a kind of 'trauma porn' element to S2 but I'm actually not so bothered with that. Every show has a flavor and that's the flavor of this show. I would only advise them not to forget that Jones is still a Marvel character, a Defender, who should give at least a half fuck about the people around her. She was particularly callous and selfish this season.

And most glaringly; stupid. Jessica Jones always had her demons that expressed as snark, sarcasm, and faux apathy. But she was never stupid, not for emotion not for selfishness. This season she was very stupid and every character around her got a major boost in cred calling it out - except shockingly some of these scenes were directing as THEM being out of line and unfair or insensitive.

I have my theories based on the production team how that narrative could possibly be greenlit, but it's not unique when 'certain people' are allowed to write 'certain characters of a certain gender' and we end up with a caricature.

This was Trish's season and if they have 5% of common sense season 3's conflict should be obvious and awesome.

[Tom Guycott]

Yeah, that was another thing I noticed... just about anytime called out Jessica on her bullshit, it just so happened that they were being a massive hypocrite when they did it.

Still recently posted show, so I'm using this: like the whole time Trish keeps going on about how much Jess's mom is supposedly manipulating her. Like, seriousl?. You're an expert on giving this advice after a few days? But *she* gets shitty whenever Jessica has apparently done the same thing for the last 15 years or so about Trish's self-absorbed, gloryhound of a mother.

Or the fact that NOBODY answers their fucking phone. So many of this season's conficts would have been resolved if there wasn't so much widespread "eh, I don't feel like talking to this person right now" exactly when a critical bit of information is trying to be relayed by EVERYONE. If it is that important, at least also shoot a text.

But back to the "trauma porn" aspect: It was literally every aspect of this season. Yeah, it makes "good drama" but fuck...

okay, so mom gets to get tortured by the prison guard, only to have him get accidentally offed by Jessica, and then the "nice one" that takes over for him just so happens to get killed because she flies into a rage because she just so happened to see the news report where the doc died?

Or Jessica is able to defuse the situation of Trish getting killed, RIGHT BEFORE the cops come busting in with guns drawn, and one of the first responders just so happens to have a mad-on for powered people and just has to kick the hornet's nest?

Or that Trish just so happens to shoot Alisa in the head RIGHT AFTER she decides she's going to turn herself back in to save her daughter... because that was the instant she got the wild hair up her ass to go do it AND just so happened to figure out where they were going and just so happened to beat the cops there?

And that it Dickhead Price just so happens to send his friend in to steal all of Jessica's shit just so he can steal her cases, and just so happens... you know, I'm really tired of writing "just so happens", and I've only cited a few examples. The whole season is full of them.

I hope whatever "awesome" you are alluding to is where it's going. I say that as someone pretty unfamiliar with the source, so I pretty much came into all of the Defenders as not really a fan one way or the other, as I was only vaguely familiar with Daredevil, and those were kind of auxillary meetings from other comics I had, but not many specifically about Matt Murdock himself.

But overall, I'd say the biggest and truest problem comes from trying to do to much. What I mean by that is, season 1 got heaps of praise for being such a damn good metaphor for an abusive relationship. And I think that praise created pressure to do it again. Except instead of having good story with an underlying narrative, we got about 4 different underlying narritives; addictions, traumatic loss, psycologically abusive families, and a degree of mental illness all fighting to be the central focus for that same praise from season 1, and instead, they all meet in a trainwreck which makes none of them nearly as good.

Saying all this makes it sound like I hated it. I really didn't. I just think this was a misstep that is hopefully setting up something better down the line in a Jessica 3/Defenders 2 kinda way. Especially with all the "You could be more..." always being thrown her way. And the moment after saving that family with her mom on the highway seemed like it should be a pivotal thing, but again, with all the downtrodden shit shoehorned all over the place, it felt like that was glossed over and possibly not something that will be mentioned again.

And even saying all that, it *still* wasn't painful to watch like Iron Fist was.

[Kalyx triaD]

On Trish and her potential angle:

In the comics she's a c-list hero called Hellcat, who nobody cares about. But in the context of this show we could be seeing a POSSIBLE villain or at least protagonist Hellcat for a Jessica vs Trish. Assuming Defenders 2 comes out before JJ S3, it could also be a central arc there instead. Trish's life is pretty much fucked and with her wish finally granted, she may jump head first into vigilantism costume and all. But this show being what it is, and not knowing the true nature of her abilities yet, it can go a lot of ways.

[Tom Guycott]

Not knowing that, or about the character, that seemed like the direction this was heading anyhow. About the only thing I know about anything is the eventual baby between Jessica and Luke, but I wonder if that's something that's going to be swerved around to create a different story within the confines of the MCU.

One thing I do find uniquely interesting is Hogarth. She's seems like one loooong origin story for a superhero or supervillain. Or both. She seems to slide between Lawful Evil and Chaotic Neutral. Although right now, she's a contributing factor to the "doing too much with underlying narritives" I previously mentioned (yeah, she's gay, we get it... that's been well established in the bounds of the Netflix shows already. Why are we being beat in the head with it now with this season of Jessica Jones???), but she dances a line between self-serving amorality and genuinely desiring justice. She goes one step beyond cold, terse bitch to make you hate her, then she does something that makes you pity, sympathise, or even *agree* with her. Kinda reminds me of Hand in SHIELD, just way less of a four episode red herring and more like she's really building to something over the course of the events in New York.

[Bobholly138]

I loved season 2. And think it was as good if not better than the first season. My only quibble was the Kilgrave cameo was not needed.

I am hoping with Trish possibly becoming Hellcat soon that means we will get Damien Hellstorm AKA Son of Satan appearing.

Keep hearing that there isn't going to be a second season of Defenders. I have tried 2 times to watch the first season of Defenders but by the 3rd episode I get bored and give up.

[Destor]

Kilgrave cameo was def needed

[Destor]

Trauma doesnt die because a person does. Very important episode to demostrate her mental health. Also hugely entertaining

[Tom Guycott]

Kilgrave cameo was fine. To me, it seemed like one of those shoehorned things I mentioned about the show "doing too much", though. Feels like that should have manifested itself sooner and been something underlying through most of the show instead of introduced in the last few eps. Seemed amost like nothing really had time to breathe this season.

[Lock Jaw]

I still got two more episodes to go in this. I should probably finish it.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Felt like after episode 6 the wheels kinda fell off. I was not hooked the way I was with season one. I dunno. I thought the whole mother issue had some intrigue but it ended up being so blah with a really anti climatic ending. And as I mentioned, the stakes didn't seem high at all.

I agree with Kalyx that Jessica as a character grew more and more unlikable as the season progressed. Hopefully they turn it around in the next season.

[terryna]

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[Sixx]

Watching second season.

Observations so far:

-How is that no lady on the show has any tits?

That is all for now.