The thread where we get CyNick to defend maligned storylines, and tell us how we don't understand...

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

lol CyNick you talk a load of shit.

[The CyNick]

This place has a bunch of egg on their face after the last couple days. Looks good on ya.

See you boys in the New Year.

[CSL]

lol bless

[#1-norm-fan]

Wait... If everything was stellar before then tonight was nothing special, right? Just another stellar night of TV. Pretty sure CyNick just fucked up...

[Damian Rey]

Amazing how near the entire board has pointed out consistent fuckery on WWE's end, yet they manage two decently entertaining segments on back to back nights and all of a sudden it's egg on our faces and everything's great and blah blah blah spin spin spin.

[hb2k]

Yeah, taking two successful nights that everybody will gladly admit were good and claiming that as a victory for the last five rotten ass months doesn't really work.

The rating should be up given Vince returns, career stip and a WWE Title change and a generally better show throughout, we shall see.

[Rammsteinmad]

Nope. CyNick was right all along. One good Raw, and yeah, WWE is back on track! Get ready for another boom period guys. WWE put on one good show and we were all wrong.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>lol why does anybody think CyNick is actually being serious with any of these posts? it's rather blatant trolling and pretty brilliant at that.</font>

[Rammsteinmad]

I've said that a number of times, but some times ya just can't help but get caught up in it. Serious business and all that.

[CSL]

<font color=goldenrod>lol why does anybody think CyNick is actually being serious with any of these posts? it's rather blatant trolling and pretty brilliant at that.</font>

isn't the point of trolling to get emotional reactions from people by talking shit without them realizing it? Most people are aware he's purposefully doing it (I think, admittedly I've only been aware of him since this thread) Given the amount of time he's spent replying in here compared to the amount of people taking him seriously/actually "biting", homeboy needs to step up his game

[CSL]

now if he'd have trolled Nashvember, he may have had some serious success

[CSL]

be like a drone strike on a Iraqi high school

[Evil Vito]

isn't the point of trolling to get emotional reactions from people by talking shit without them realizing it? Most people are aware he's purposefully doing it (I think, admittedly I've only been aware of him since this thread) Given the amount of time he's spent replying in here compared to the amount of people taking him seriously/actually "biting", homeboy needs to step up his game

<font color=goldenrod>Sometimes it's hard to tell in these parts. Initially I felt he may have been an actual WWE fanboy who stands behind everything that the company does. But the more I've read here the more I'm thinking some people actually think he's a real person lol.

This thread and the "Raw lowest rating since 2012" thread are where I've found most of the arguments.</font>

[Evil Vito]

now if he'd have trolled Nashvember, he may have had some serious success

<font color=goldenrod>Anybody who trolls Nashvember deserves to have a "kick me" sign permanently stapled to the back of their neck. And there should be no legal reprecussions for anybody who chooses to kick, punch, or really assault said person in any way.</fint>

[#1-norm-fan]

Poe's Law. It's been mentioned before. You know people like CyNick exist. Not just for WWE specifically but for pretty much any subject you can think of. As ridiculous as he comes off, he could actually be a legitimate apologist who believes the things he says. Though granted, his reactions after Raw (and most recent Raws actually) have been pretty "out there".

He does literally just ignore the more inconvenient and damning points though which makes it seem like he really is for real. If he's gonna troll and come up with insane rationalizations, he might as well do it for everything since it doesn't have to make sense even in his mind. The sidestepping of certain things seems more from someone who genuinely needs to believe this shit and when they can't come up with a rationalization, they avoid it. If you're trolling, making up a rationalization for anything is never a problem. The worse it is, the better.

[Damian Rey]

If anyone needs a damn fine example of top heel trolling, look no further the Gertner. Some of his runs have been epic and, like any great heel, have truth. That's how it's done.

[DAMN iNATOR]

<font color=goldenrod>lol why does anybody think CyNick is actually being serious with any of these posts? it's rather blatant trolling and pretty brilliant at that.</font>

isn't the point of trolling to get emotional reactions from people by talking shit without them realizing it? Most people are aware he's purposefully doing it (I think, admittedly I've only been aware of him since this thread) Given the amount of time he's spent replying in here compared to the amount of people taking him seriously/actually "biting", homeboy needs to step up his game

What's this "trolling" that you people are all speaking of? :?::?::?:

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

This place has a bunch of egg on their face after the last couple days. Looks good on ya.

See you boys in the New Year.

lmfao you're the best

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

If anyone needs a damn fine example of top heel trolling, look no further the Gertner. Some of his runs have been epic and, like any great heel, have truth. That's how it's done.

Yeah fucking Gerty was for real and his arguments actually had some umph even if we didn't agree with him.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Poe's Law. It's been mentioned before.

I believe it was the great Gorgeous Dale Newstead who referenced said law.

Fact is, if he's just taking a stance ONLY to play devil's advocate he's still taking the stance. He could be "trolling" all he wants but how are we supposed to know. It's a discussion forum so we'll discuss his points with him.

[drave]

It's a discussion forum so we'll discuss his points with him.


THIS is a wrasslin forum, you will wrassle with him. I suggest taking #1 WWF Fan as a tag partner, as he is 1-0 in real life TPWW fights.

The discussion forum is that way -->

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Would be funny if CyNick and Gertner ended up being the same person.</font>

[The CyNick]

I believe it was the great Gorgeous Dale Newstead who referenced said law.

Fact is, if he's just taking a stance ONLY to play devil's advocate he's still taking the stance. He could be "trolling" all he wants but how are we supposed to know. It's a discussion forum so we'll discuss his points with him.

I enjoy the debate. They are a lot of good people on here with good thoughts. A lot of sheep too. But everyone is entitled to their opinion.

The trolling accusations are dumb though.

[The CyNick]

An early holiday toast to good business.

[Evil Vito]

The trolling accusations are dumb though.

An early holiday toast to good business.

<font color=goldenrod>lol</font>

[#1-norm-fan]

Hmm... lol

[DAMN iNATOR]

CyNick has been hitting the eggnog quite hard today, I see.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

I enjoy the debate. They are a lot of good people on here with good thoughts. A lot of sheep too. But everyone is entitled to their opinion.

The trolling accusations are dumb though.


Agreed on both counts. If it wasn't enjoyable I don't think we would be engaging. Anything that comes across as "ill feelings" is part of the banter and should not be taken as actual ill feelings.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Trolls are a bit more extreme than Cynick though. Honestly, the idea that someone is behind the WWE product isn't preposterous enough to refer to them as a troll.

He has a horse in the race... and I would say far more of one than we do because we do not attack his actual opinion, whereas he attacks ours (which I think is the main reason people get annoyed). That's his problem and doesn't really strengthen his argument.

At the end of the day, I'm talk shite about wrassling for hours on end, so it's all cool with me, even when it gets annoying and it isn't so cool anymore.

[#1-norm-fan]

I don't think simply "being behind the product" is the preposterous part of CyNick's... gimmick or whatever. The people who assume he's a troll do so because of how much he ignores things while debating to an troll-like annoying level. And when he does actually acknowledge a point against him, he seems to either blatantly not understand it to a ridiculous level. To the point where it comes off like he's trying to argue despite not having an argument. Which is like... the definition of trolling.

In the other topic, the guy literally told someone they were wrong and then went through a long explanation where he said the exact same thing the other person said. I mean... come on. lol

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

well when he's just being retarded don't get bent out of shape just tell him he's being retarded lol much more satisfying. Pick your battles.

[#1-norm-fan]

I disagree. I think pointing out to him why he's retarded is more satisfying. It puts him in a position of having to come up with another retarded rationalization to ridicule. Keeps the circle going.

[#1-norm-fan]

What is this semi-PC thing you're doing? I don't like it.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

I like arguing with the CyNick, I'm just not going to bother when he starts spiralling his arguments because he's essentially just a robot at that point and there's no point in engaging. But I think that's just his personality, not nec. him being a troll.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

At least this incarnation of tnarick isn't posting youtube videos with his fucked up teeth.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

main thing is I don't care about winning an argument against the CyNick. It's just nice when he chooses to have a conversation vs him talking at us to spout off his on going narrative. So picking apart his posts is kind of pointless.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

I mean useless if you're looking at it as "owning" him.

[#1-norm-fan]

I would love for CyNick to actually have a conversation with me as opposed to just spouting off his ongoing narrative. I long for it. Gives me a boner just thinking about it. How does one go about getting this to happen?

[KIRA]

This place has a bunch of egg on their face after the last couple days. Looks good on ya.

See you boys in the New Year.

I don't feel the need to retract any of my statements...at all. 2 shows in a wek vs a year in fuck ups,plus if the writers have proven anything is that they know how to derail A good thing. With the WWE I HOPE for the best but expect the worst.

[Simple Fan]

I still felt that Reigns was being forced. He talked less but was still cracking corny ball jokes. Fell like he took it to far to be given a championship match. It was a good Raw but the parts with Roman and Vince just seemed desperate. Feel like Roman and Dean should be swapped and everything would be a lot better. If Dean was in Romans place on Monday night the place would have been going crazy at the end of the show and the dialogue between him and Vince would have been a lot better.

[BigCrippyZ]

I still felt that Reigns was being forced. He talked less but was still cracking corny ball jokes. Fell like he took it to far to be given a championship match. It was a good Raw but the parts with Roman and Vince just seemed desperate. Feel like Roman and Dean should be swapped and everything would be a lot better. If Dean was in Romans place on Monday night the place would have been going crazy at the end of the show and the dialogue between him and Vince would have been a lot better.

Agreed. Ambrose is way more naturally charismatic, a much better actor and seems to be able to cut a much better promo than almost all of the roster, especially Reigns.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

I would love for CyNick to actually have a conversation with me as opposed to just spouting off his ongoing narrative. I long for it. Gives me a boner just thinking about it. How does one go about getting this to happen?

But then why bother trying to own him?

[KIRA]

I still felt that Reigns was being forced. He talked less but was still cracking corny ball jokes. Fell like he took it to far to be given a championship match. It was a good Raw but the parts with Roman and Vince just seemed desperate. Feel like Roman and Dean should be swapped and everything would be a lot better. If Dean was in Romans place on Monday night the place would have been going crazy at the end of the show and the dialogue between him and Vince would have been a lot better.

Yep. I've been championing Dean to take Roman's spot forever I can just imagine the fans going rabid for the the guy wining the belt.

All around he's the better choice why they don't push the guy like crazy is beyond me.

[The CyNick]

He has a horse in the race... and I would say far more of one than we do because we do not attack his actual opinion, whereas he attacks ours (which I think is the main reason people get annoyed). That's his problem and doesn't really strengthen his argument.



You got that backwards my good man

[The CyNick]

I would love for CyNick to actually have a conversation with me as opposed to just spouting off his ongoing narrative. I long for it. Gives me a boner just thinking about it. How does one go about getting this to happen?

I'm not above talking to you as a person. This is my thread, one of the most popular threads, so feel free to start a conversation about anything.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

You got that backwards my good man

CyNick, we've made it clear we take no issue with you enjoying the product. We do however take issue with you calling us sheep or implying we are ignorant because we disagree with what you think is your expert analysis.

That's all... my good man :)

Tho in saying that, I wouldn't have made this thread if a lot of the time it wasn't good banter so just hold back on being an utter blow hard and maybe we'll make some headway.

[#1-norm-fan]

I'm not above talking to you as a person. This is my thread, one of the most popular threads, so feel free to start a conversation about anything.

Another one you can avoid responding to at all costs? Either by intentionally responding to an obvious strawman or by backing away completely? Do you really want that? It surely has to make you uncomfortable having to constantly be put in the position of ignoring things that shed light on WWE's shit booking so much that you can't come up with even a bad rationalization for and have to just hope no one else notices you awkwardly side-stepping. Is there some reason I should expect that you can suddenly actually have a rational conversation?

[#1-norm-fan]

Because really, I could just go back and re-post all the things you've avoided. Your history has shown that would probably be pointless though.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

I don't think Cynick cares as much about WWE's product as much as he cares about his narrative on the internet wrestling community.

[#1-norm-fan]

Well that's unfortunate.

[#1-norm-fan]

Like I said to the people who think he's a troll... I'm sure there are people who think and try to rationalize the way CyNick does. And I'm sure some of those people are part of the IWC. So it's completely possible that he's just one of those people. So without evidence one way or the other, you gotta just give him the benefit of the troll doubt. But there are times where I'm seriously like "Even some silly 'troll-like' rationalization would suffice as opposed to not being able to come up with anything at all. At least keep the dialogue going."

[The CyNick]

Because really, I could just go back and re-post all the things you've avoided. Your history has shown that would probably be pointless though.

You're acting like a fan who is waiting in a large group to see a celebrity, the celebrity signs 25 autographs and misses 10 people because he had somewhere to be. One or two people in the group of 10 think he's an asshole now.

I have made points that go unresponded to because people have no response, I don't complain about it. I always have a response. You just don't always like my response, so you make a wild accusation about how I'm creating an unfair argument or something. Strawman or whatever, I don't even know what that means.

Sometimes when you have my level of popularity you can't win.

[The CyNick]

I don't think Cynick cares as much about WWE's product as much as he cares about his narrative on the internet wrestling community.

I love the product. Im not a self loathing Internet fan. I don't hate those people who are, but i don't think highly of them or their leadership group.

[The CyNick]

CyNick, we've made it clear we take no issue with you enjoying the product. We do however take issue with you calling us sheep or implying we are ignorant because we disagree with what you think is your expert analysis.

That's all... my good man :)

Tho in saying that, I wouldn't have made this thread if a lot of the time it wasn't good banter so just hold back on being an utter blow hard and maybe we'll make some headway.

If i can convince even one person to stay off the dirt sheets, it will be considered well worth it.

For the record, I have never slammed someone for an opinion. I slam people who think they have facts when they don't.

[CSL]

haha what a samaritan

[CSL]

I remember a few years ago when I was vehemently anti-"dirt sheet" (it's not 1989 and you aren't working for Bill Watts mate) and thought I couldn't be any more "clued in". Then I became aware of how naive that was.

[The CyNick]

Everyone has to go on their own journey. Eventually you come to realize they are hacks and not very professional. But at the end of the day, they are not trying to be professional journalists, anymore than Ray Traylor was trying to be a good police officer in WWE.

[drave]

He arrested Nailz and also drove away with Big Show's dad.

THose are both things a good cop does. He gets an A+

[#1-norm-fan]

I always have a response. You just don't always like my response, so you make a wild accusation about how I'm creating an unfair argument or something. Strawman or whatever, I don't even know what that means.

Sometimes when you have my level of popularity you can't win.

Alright, I'm leaning more toward troll. The little nuances are becoming less nuanced.

[#1-norm-fan]

Either way, when you obviously avoid tons of shit that works too much against your narrative (usually within posts you're replying to or making direct references to later, so "I missed it" doesn't work) and your only response when called out on it is "No I don't. OTHER PEOPLE have no response." you're either trolling or you're not quite all there and you are unreasonable beyond repair. It's like standing in a field with a hundred people looking up and saying the sky is blue while one guy is like "No it isn't!". I mean... it's clear for everyone else to see but if you're gonna argue, it's probably hopeless to talk to you whether you're serious or not. Probably best to just let the obvious speak for itself while you close your eyes, plug your ears and convince yourself you're pwning everyone.

[drave]

Technically speaking, "the sky" isn't blue.

[#1-norm-fan]

Goddamn you, drave.

[drave]

:D

<345 you TPWW IRL Fight Champion.


Better from me than from your pal CyNick right?

[The CyNick]

Either way, when you obviously avoid tons of shit that works too much against your narrative (usually within posts you're replying to or making direct references to later, so "I missed it" doesn't work) and your only response when called out on it is "No I don't. OTHER PEOPLE have no response." you're either trolling or you're not quite all there and you are unreasonable beyond repair. It's like standing in a field with a hundred people looking up and saying the sky is blue while one guy is like "No it isn't!". I mean... it's clear for everyone else to see but if you're gonna argue, it's probably hopeless to talk to you whether you're serious or not. Probably best to just let the obvious speak for itself while you close your eyes, plug your ears and convince yourself you're pwning everyone.

I like your notion that if I miss some obscure post of yours its either A. I'm ignoring these arguments that are devastating to my point or B. I'm not all there.

The idea that I could have just not found your post to be that relevant or just missed the post is too far out there a concept to give legitimacy to.

I think you have a narcissistic problem.

[The CyNick]

I'm also curious what my "narratives" are.

As best I can tell it would be:

1. Despite reduced ratings this year, WWE doesn't need to get overly concerned because the rest of cable has been doing worse and their digital properties are through the roof successful. - I have proven this point so many times, I'm sick of writing about it.

2. Dirt Sheet writers are low level hacks pretending to be journalists - at best this an opinion, but I feel like I've proven my point with recent stories

3. If you watch WWE just to complain, you are nutty to me - again an opinion, really kind of hard to argue with IMO. But if you do it, I can see how you would be offended

4. WWE creative has done a great job building up new stars like Daniel Bryan, The Shield, New Day, and Bray Wyatt - another thing that people argue unsuccessfully with me about.

5. I enjoy WWE - probably get the most hate about this one. Not really sure why.

[#1-norm-fan]

Either way, when you obviously avoid tons of shit that works too much against your narrative (usually within posts you're replying to or making direct references to later, so "I missed it" doesn't work) and your only response when called out on it is "No I don't. OTHER PEOPLE have no response." you're either trolling or you're not quite all there and you are unreasonable beyond repair...

I like your notion that if I miss some obscure post of yours its either A. I'm ignoring these arguments that are devastating to my point or B. I'm not all there.

The idea that I could have just not found your post to be that relevant or just missed the post is too far out there a concept to give legitimacy to.

... Yep.

[The CyNick]

... Yep.

Ok cool

[Shadrick]

cynick if fan reposted some of the things he feels like you're ignoring, would you respond to them in kind?

[#1-norm-fan]

Also, send Shadrick some pics.

[Shadrick]

Also, send Shadrick some pics.

he's ignorning that too

[DAMN iNATOR]

Even your SnapChat requests? :shifty:

[CSL]

Everyone has to go on their own journey. Eventually you come to realize they are hacks and not very professional. But at the end of the day, they are not trying to be professional journalists, anymore than Ray Traylor was trying to be a good police officer in WWE.

it's like everything else, the NFL has journalistic "insiders", as does the film industry, as does politics, as does pretty much everything else in the world that people are willing to pay to read about. And just like those things, the majority of them probably aren't worth paying attention to (this is even more true when it comes to pro wrestling) However to claim somebody like Dave Meltzer, one of the very few worth listening to and reading given he has a proven track record both inside and outside of the pro wrestling industry and is quite clearly a journalist under just about every definition, is pretty naive. That or purposefully ignorant.

[Simple Fan]

Meltzer has been called "the most accomplished reporter in sports journalism" by Frank Deford of Sports Illustrated

[The CyNick]

Meltzer has been called "the most accomplished reporter in sports journalism" by Frank Deford of Sports Illustrated

That's possibly the most rediculous claim in the history of mankind.

[The CyNick]

it's like everything else, the NFL has journalistic "insiders", as does the film industry, as does politics, as does pretty much everything else in the world that people are willing to pay to read about. And just like those things, the majority of them probably aren't worth paying attention to (this is even more true when it comes to pro wrestling) However to claim somebody like Dave Meltzer, one of the very few worth listening to and reading given he has a proven track record both inside and outside of the pro wrestling industry and is quite clearly a journalist under just about every definition, is pretty naive. That or purposefully ignorant.

Again, it depends what he's reporting on.

Backstage newz: horrific.

Who wrestled who on January 10th 1976: amazing

[Simple Fan]

That's possibly the most rediculous claim in the history of mankind.

Frank Deford of Sports Illustrated said so it must be true.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Again, it depends what he's reporting on.

Backstage newz: horrific.

Who wrestled who on January 10th 1976: amazing

You're being an idiot.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Make one post without a sweeping generalization, I dare you.

[The CyNick]

You're being an idiot.

Truth hurts?

[The CyNick]

Frank Deford of Sports Illustrated said so it must be true.

Lol exactly

the poor pro dirt sheet camp having to scrounge for compliments of their leader.

[The CyNick]

Make one post without a sweeping generalization, I dare you.

I need a topic

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

I need a topic

This topic lol

[KIRA]

Why halt R-Truths awesome heel run? He was in a feud with John fucking Cena.
and before you say he was too goofy to be taken as a real threat
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Cynick you never answered my question :(

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Truth hurts?

R truth hurts

[The CyNick]

Cynick you never answered my question :(

I never watched Truth in TNA. Ive said before I only watch the big leagues.

Truth has always seemed like a comedy act. I've never bought him as a serious character. I'll watch those clips this afternoon and give my thoughts.

[The CyNick]

This topic lol

Me making generalizations?

I think most people do that. A lot of people generalize me as a troll just because I have a different point of view.

[Simple Fan]

Truth has always seemed like a comedy act. I've never bought him as a serious character. I'll watch those clips this afternoon and give my thoughts.

That's WWEs fault. The dude is super talented and being in WWE has done wonders for his career and has made him welk known but he really could be a great heel. Also would like to see him in ROH joining the House of Truth.

[DAMN iNATOR]

And let's not forget he's originally a WWE talent who started out as K-Kwik.

[Mr. Nerfect]

it's like everything else, the NFL has journalistic "insiders", as does the film industry, as does politics, as does pretty much everything else in the world that people are willing to pay to read about. And just like those things, the majority of them probably aren't worth paying attention to (this is even more true when it comes to pro wrestling) However to claim somebody like Dave Meltzer, one of the very few worth listening to and reading given he has a proven track record both inside and outside of the pro wrestling industry and is quite clearly a journalist under just about every definition, is pretty naive. That or purposefully ignorant.

This. :y:

[The CyNick]

Yeah I'm still not sold on the Truth. I tried to watch some stuff of his during my break. I think he's right where he should be. Comedy guy.

[The CyNick]

Here's a topic. Has anyone watched all of Breaking Ground? I think it was amazing at building up NXT talent. It's a great glimpse into how well run the WWE really is.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Doesn't it mainly just show NXT which is almost run as a separate entity by HHH and his peeps? Wouldn't it just be highlighting how well run NXT is?

[The CyNick]

My assumption is NXT is modeled after WWE in terms of how the business and creative is run. The creative decisions might differ because the show is targeting a different demographic than RAW or SD.

I personally don't buy into the thing where Vince has absolutely no say in what airs. But I haven't heard Vince address that apecifically.

But regardless, I'm not even taking about the booking. Moreover the inner workings of how professional everything is from recruitment to training to character development to final presentation to graduation.

From a booking standpoint, I feel the show did a great job establishing some of the key talent in NXT. For example presenting Tino and Corbin as arrogant heels, and Bayley and Carmella as hard workers living a dream.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

My assumption



That's all I needed to see to stop reading the post

[Damian Rey]

Triple H has gone on record that Vince isn't involved in NXT.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Damo, that's just what he tells the dirtsheets. Why would he show his entire hand?

And I mean why wouldn't the dirtsheets go directly to HHH to find their inf- oh wait.

[The CyNick]

Triple H has gone on record that Vince isn't involved in NXT.

Nothing goes out on ANY WWE property without sign off from Vince.

Everyone will choose to ignore this next point, but I'll say it anyway. I dont dispute that Vince may very well be hands off the NXT product, but to say he has absolutely zero to do with the show is flat out wrong.

The show is geared to a different audience. I dont get why people cant understand that.

[The CyNick]

That's all I needed to see to stop reading the post

Why's that Dale?

[Blonde Moment]

Why's that Dale?

I really don't read enough of your posts to give you that kind of answer,

[The CyNick]

I really don't read enough of your posts to give you that kind of answer,

I highly recommend my posts

[Simple Fan]

The show is geared to a different audience. I dont get why people cant understand that.

Who doesn't understand that? People know it's geared to a different audience that's why they like it. Has nothing to do with Vince being involved though.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Why's that Dale?

Because your assumptions are worth poo

[Damian Rey]

So...you only believe things when they come from the source, who you're identified as Vince and/or Triple H, except when you...don't?

[screech]

Damian Rey beat me to it.

So I'll just give a good :y: to Breaking Ground. Wonderful show.

[ron the dial]

if i recall correctly, triple h said that vince didn't even want to go to the takeover: brooklyn special because he would feel useless. obviously, i'm paraphrasing but that was on that nxt panel that featured h, balor, owens, sasha, and some other people.

[#1-norm-fan]

He's also said Vince doesn't even watch the show regularly. Triple H just shows him certain things he thinks he should see occasionally.

[The CyNick]

Who doesn't understand that? People know it's geared to a different audience that's why they like it. Has nothing to do with Vince being involved though.

My point is I believe some fans who enjoy the NXT style point to it and say "oh well Vince isn't that involved so it must mean he's out of touch".

I'm saying Vince could book NXT but he doesn't book to the hardcore wrestling fan, he writes his television to appeal to a wide audience on cable TV every week.

[The CyNick]

Because your assumptions are worth poo

My assumptions are as good or better than anyone.

[The CyNick]

So...you only believe things when they come from the source, who you're identified as Vince and/or Triple H, except when you...don't?

Ive never heard Vince or HHH say Vince doesn't approve what it aired.

Again, not saying he's watching over every segment like he does with RAW, but the overall concept and direction he would have to be okay with.

[The CyNick]

He's also said Vince doesn't even watch the show regularly. Triple H just shows him certain things he thinks he should see occasionally.

Which makes complete sense

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

My point is I believe some fans who enjoy the NXT style point to it and say "oh well Vince isn't that involved so it must mean he's out of touch".

I'm saying Vince could book NXT but he doesn't book to the hardcore wrestling fan, he writes his television to appeal to a wide audience on cable TV every week.

The lowest common denominator who will like whatever he puts on tv

[The CyNick]

The lowest common denominator who will like whatever he puts on tv

RAW draws a larger audience, so the lowest common denominator would be NXT.

[The CyNick]

Smackdown draws 3rd highest audience on cable on Thursday. Largest regularly scheduled show - got beat by Cavs vs Spurs and slaughtered by Trump and the gang.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

lol

[The CyNick]

As fate would have it, The CyNick's status appears to be at an all-time high, perfect time to say goodbye. When I come back like Jordan, wearin the 4-5, it ain't to play games witchu, it's to aim at you, probably maim you.

I came, I saw, I conquered.

Peace!

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

See ya soon big guy

[ron the dial]

that's actually kinda disappointing. it was nice to see a counterpoint to all of crybaby whining that constantly goes on here, whether i agreed or not.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

U best not be talking about me Ron, or else unwil bet he recipient of a strongly worded positive reputation.from yours truly

[ron the dial]

you may or may not be included...

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

lol well we have had facebook conversations about strictly the points I make on here. So take that!

[ron the dial]

i still enjoy the product despite its flaws, though. don't see the sense in continuing to spend any time on something as frustrating as it seems to many here. but y'all do yr thing. no judgment here.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

For me I just get upset because I know I'm gonna stop watching again if it's shit. With the infinite resources and talent this company has, there is no excuse for how crap RAW has been for the past 3 months (though lastnight was fucking great).

I want to be able to watch current WWE, and be a permanent fan because I fucking love it. But give me 4 more straight shitty episodes of RAW and I'll just go back to not watching and watching youtube matches.

[#1-norm-fan]

i still enjoy the product despite its flaws, though. don't see the sense in continuing to spend any time on something as frustrating as it seems to many here. but y'all do yr thing. no judgment here.

Because it's not like a regular TV show where you can just... watch other TV shows. It's a unique form of entertainment. If you really love wrestling/"sports entertainment" then you're fucked because the one company with the means to put out a top notch product decided after killing its only real competition to just say "fuck it" and not try anymore.