WWE RAW 12/14 feat. New Day of a Lunatic Reigns, Philly boos something, and some random Divas stuff

[owenbrown]

Memo to New Day... never gyrate like that again

[Dark One]

Wade Keller going to have a stroke about New Day no longer selling ladder match injuries.

[Poit]

I, um... was that a double turn?

[Tom Guycott]

Unintential double turn?

[Volare]

WTF now Becky is cool again with Charlotte....

[owenbrown]

B A * babyfaces :n:

[Dark One]

WTF now Becky is cool again with Charlotte....

Bitches, right?

[Tom Guycott]

Also, piss on you, Poit. I'm officially jealous.

[Lock Jaw]

They never "broke up" yet.... "strained relations" right now....

[DAMN iNATOR]

The Real Cost of a diva match - boredom.

[Tom Guycott]

Bitches, right?

This your catchphrase now, Tennant?

[Dark One]

It truly is my "WHAT A MANEUVER"

[Lock Jaw]

Why does Team BAD need tickets?

[Emperor Smeat]

WTF now Becky is cool again with Charlotte....

Becky's channeling her inner Bellas with the storyline

[Lock Jaw]

Becky "too happy" with Flair.... should be more "concerned" about his "bad influence"....

[Dark One]

From Ric Flair's twitter, backstage earlier tonight with Charlotte:

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[Emperor Smeat]

Ouch at that botched fall.

[Dark One]

Just going to suggest everyone vote Sasha for Superstar of the Year.

[Lock Jaw]

Ha ha at security guard blankly staring at Team BAD

[Lock Jaw]

T-BOOOOOONE

[KIRA]

Heels.....faces...anyone?

[Lock Jaw]

:heart: Becky Lynch/Lunch....

[Lock Jaw]

Heels.....faces...anyone?

Bella/Fox heel

Charlotte heel/Becky face


Seems pretty straightforward to me....

[Tom Guycott]

From Ric Flair's twitter, backstage earlier tonight with Charlotte:

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Speaking of:

Are we seeing a slow build to the 4 Horsewomen?

[Poit]

Also, piss on you, Poit. I'm officially jealous.

I got a lot of attention at GaymerX this weekend, thanks to my horn. :naughty:

[Lock Jaw]

How many people made "horny" jokes?

[Droford]

Oh god

[Tom Guycott]

PTP are taking torch from D-X for shilling?

[DAMN iNATOR]

WTF, Titus...why's it gotta be Black Friday? HUH?!

[Poit]

How many people made "horny" jokes?

None.

Though I did hook up with a few guys who liked the horn.

[Droford]

Titus with the belt, Darren with the MItB case..only way theyll ever actually have them lol

[CSL]

Santa Titus sounds like a particularly nasty fungus

[Volare]

Steph slaps Roman, Vince kicks Roman, the LoN will crucify Roman on a globe.

[owenbrown]

Titus with the belt :y:

[Tom Guycott]

WTF, Titus...why's it gotta be Black Friday? HUH?!

Yeah, this ain't Amistad

[Volare]

....the fuck is Barrett?

[DAMN iNATOR]

Yeah, this ain't Amistad

Then I do have the wrong channel on. :shifty:

[Poit]

Where the hell is Wade Barrett?

[Tom Guycott]

Where is Wade?

[Lock Jaw]

Might have sent Barrett to England with NXT maybe....

[Volare]

McMahon is here to personally screw Reigns. :)

[Lock Jaw]

Champ entering first of course....

[owenbrown]

TOO MANY LIMES!

[Dark One]

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[Tom Guycott]

Brouge! Arse! Fellaaaaaaaaa!

[Volare]

And the crowd goes mild.

[owenbrown]

Super Cena gonna save the day for Roman?

[owenbrown]

Reigns interviewed by Coach?... Yeah he's winning the belt tonight

[Dark One]

They've got the ball teed up. Let's see if they can hit a home run or if they swing and miss.

If Reigns wins, I'm just going to go ahead and post this GIF for people to use:

http://cdn3.whatculture.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/7037-Raw-autoplay_gif-crying-gif-vince_mcmahon-wwe.gif

[Tom Guycott]

No. No we won't, JBL. Keep him away from a mic.

[Volare]

I'm actually awake for this.....holy fuck.

[Lock Jaw]

CHAMPIONSHIIII

[Emperor Smeat]

....the fuck is Barrett?

Where the hell is Wade Barrett?

Where is Wade?

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Apparently <a href="https://twitter.com/WadeBarrett">@WadeBarrett</a> is still at the arena in Boston waiting for his cue to run in &amp; attack <a href="https://twitter.com/WWERomanReigns">@WWERomanReigns</a>. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/RAWTonight?src=hash">#RAWTonight</a></p>&mdash; WWE Creative Humor (@WWECreative_ish) <a href="https://twitter.com/WWECreative_ish/status/676492843410661376">December 14, 2015</a></blockquote>
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[Tom Guycott]

Roman failing at being Solid Snake

[slik]

Missed all of RAW since opening segment...read Vince part on Twitter, just tuning in...how has the show been?

[Volare]

New Day got beat up for no fucking reason.

[DAMN iNATOR]

New Day got beat up for no fucking reason.

I forgot that using a trombone to someone's back to retain the tag titles is "ni reason". :roll:

[Emperor Smeat]

What was Sheamus trying to do with that awkward slam.

[Emperor Smeat]

Missed all of RAW since opening segment...read Vince part on Twitter, just tuning in...how has the show been?

Been decent to good so far.

[Poit]

What was Sheamus trying to do with that awkward slam.

Choke... spinebuster... thing.

[Corndad]

Let this sink in. If this happens Roman will be a 2 Time Champ. Piper, Steamboat, Jake, and nameless others deserving.. 0.

[Volare]

I was honestly waiting for the screwjob right there.

[slik]

Glad 2 hear it has been decent

boooo to New Day getting beat up

[Volare]

I forgot that using a trombone to someone's back to retain the tag titles is "ni reason". :roll:

They shook hands dammit! :D

[Dark One]

Half expecting a screw job during the submission.

[Dark One]

Let this sink in. If this happens Roman will be a 2 Time Champ. Piper, Steamboat, Jake, and nameless others deserving.. 0.

At the rate he's been going recently, he'll beat FLair's record by this time next year.

[Volare]

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

[Volare]

And Blood on Raw and Cole acknowledged it.....holy hell.

[Dark One]

Someday people will learn YOU DO NOT HEADBUTT SHEAMUS.

[CSL]

Roman LANDED with that headbutt

[Dark One]

The Vince McMahon character is just the best.

[Corndad]

Barrett... The lost member.

[Volare]

HE HIT VINCE!!!

[Emperor Smeat]

League of Nations is basically J&J Security level of inept for Sheamus.

[Volare]

I'm marking out now this is fucking fun!

[Droford]

Roman going to channel the spirit of Stone Cold and take out Vince too

Uhuh

[Dark One]

ROMAN REIGNS CHANNELING THE POWER OF SUPER CENA. Great false finish.

[Volare]

Well holy shit!

[ron the dial]

that was good

[Dark One]

http://i.imgur.com/bYjwn.gif

[Droford]

How long til Roman gets Jerichoed

[Maluco]

That was really cool tbh, very nicely done the last few nights

[Triple A]

It's cool that they figured out a way to book this to make it interesting... good job

[Lock Jaw]

RIP Vince :'(

[Corndad]

Might wanna get out of the ring Roman lol

[Dark One]

I hope Roman enjoys his 7 day reign before ABEYANCE racks up another reign.

[DAMN iNATOR]

Roman as champ just as bad as Sheamus as champ...6 of one, half-dozen of the other.

[Droford]

I hope Roman enjoys his 7 day reign before ABEYANCE racks up another reign.

More like HHH pulls another "it never happened"

[owenbrown]

Vince really selling here

[Emperor Smeat]

Spear by Reigns was nice. Better match than last night between those two.

[ron the dial]

they kept that crowd hot

[Heisenberg]

Psycho Reigns Era, high scoring MNF. Life is good

[Droford]

Vince really selling here

Maybe hes really dead

RIP Vince

[Tom Guycott]

And THAT'S why we don't get to see the Gore

[Sepholio]

When was the last time the title changed hands on RAW? Like 97?

[Droford]

Itd be fucking amaxing if they pull the belt off Roman and the Rumble is for the belt, not the #1 contender at WM and the Cena wins like Flair did

[owenbrown]

Vacant gonna be champ next week? Maybe win a couple of slammy awards?

[Lock Jaw]

When was the last time the title changed hands on RAW? Like 97?

2010.... 2011....

[CSL]

When was the last time the title changed hands on RAW? Like 97?

probably the tournament after Punk, not sure

[Dark One]

I'm not necessarily excited about the result, but I have to give them credit, like I always try to do when it happens, for having the guts to do something different. It's been a long, long time for a World Title change on Raw outside of the MitB cash-ins, and that's an easy hook to get people to come back to the weekly shows, because anything could happen.

They've maanged to make the crowd--and let's underscore that this was in Philadelphia of all places--mostly happy for a Reigns title win. It's a lot like the Daniel Bryan journey, and not just because they cribbed from it. It's basically the same in that they spent the past few months bumblefucking around and backed into two shows to make things better and finally figured out how to push the right character/gimmick.

It's kind of a shame that it's heading into a couple of weeks of lame duck holiday shows, but hopefully they can do some shit to preserve tonight's momentum and head into a new era where Smackdown may be a super relevant show (for a few months).

[Emperor Smeat]

When was the last time the title changed hands on RAW? Like 97?

According to NeoGAF's wrestling thread, 2013 when Ziggler cashed in and in 2006 for a regular match. The 2006 match took place in Philly.

[Volare]

Rollins for unicorn power comeback at the Rumble to win it all.

[Dark One]

Itd be fucking amaxing if they pull the belt off Roman and the Rumble is for the belt, not the #1 contender at WM and the Cena wins like Flair did

I don't think they can do that again--not to say that they won't, but they shouldn't.

You can't keep stripping the belt from the winner every few months, because you're going to train the crowd to assume that no title victory actually matters because it's going to be undone in 24 hours. They've dug themselves out of that hole after the Fall/Winter prior to WM30, but if they do it again so quickly after the MitB cash-in on Reigns, we're going to end up right back there.

If they want to do something similar they should probably just put Reigns in the Rumble to defend his belt. It's the same end game, but it doesn't have the same effect of cheapening title match victories.

[dronepool]

RAW was good.

Wow.

[GD]

Looks like Hunter is winning the Rumble next year.

[Droford]

I don't think they can do that again--not to say that they won't, but they shouldn't.

You can't keep stripping the belt from the winner every few months, because you're going to train the crowd to assume that no title victory actually matters because it's going to be undone in 24 hours. They've dug themselves out of that hole after the Fall/Winter prior to WM30, but if they do it again so quickly after the MitB cash-in on Reigns, we're going to end up right back there.

If they want to do something similar they should probably just put Reigns in the Rumble to defend his belt. It's the same end game, but it doesn't have the same effect of cheapening title match victories.

Lol Make Roman defend the belt in the Rumble starting #1. 29 vs 1 handicap match. Thatd probably be the most diabolical thing they could do to Punish him without stripping him of the title.

[JT]

Let this sink in. If this happens Roman will be a 2 Time Champ. Piper, Steamboat, Jake, and nameless others deserving.. 0.

Steamboat was a World Champ, just not in WWE.

[CSL]

had to pull the trigger at some point soon with Roman, now is as good a time as any. See where they go from here. I wouldn't hate this version of Roman vs. Cena at Mania.

[CSL]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-conversation="none" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/EscapeArtistZ">@EscapeArtistZ</a> We can only hope. Whoever decided Roman Reigns deserved to be champ deserves to be fired it was vince, he should die soon</p>&mdash; Robert Xelda (@Robert_Xelda) <a href="https://twitter.com/Robert_Xelda/status/676617352163811328">December 15, 2015</a></blockquote>
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[Droford]

They should strip him of the belt on ESPN

[The CyNick]

Excellent show.

Amazing journey to get the belt on Roman. In the end, WWE proves they know what their doing when it comes to creating new stars. Hope this whole saga shuts a lot of people on here up for a while.

[Droford]

Are we taking bets on the ratings? What happens if they hit a new low especially in the 3rd hour?

[Dark One]

Are we taking bets on the ratings? What happens if they hit a new low especially in the 3rd hour?

WWE would like to wish Sheamus the best in his future endeavors.

[Emperor Smeat]

http://49.media.tumblr.com/d3690bb08f69ed3df4c55c5bd06c9235/tumblr_nzdnh2iFt91saykaxo1_400.gif

[#1-norm-fan]

Goddamn, they really had Reigns' journey to the title come to a head on Raw. Between that and Vince, they went all fucking out. This should be good for a one week ratings spike. They can't depend on major title changes every week though. Now it just comes down having to book with some attention to detail. I'm already dreading the "SHEAMUS HAS JUST PINNED THE WORLD CHAMPION OMGZZZ!!!" ending to Raw in the next week or two.

[Dark One]

Goddamn, they really had Reigns' journey to the title come to a head on Raw. Between that and Vince, they went all fucking out. This should be good for a one week ratings spike. They depend on major title changes every week though. Now it just comes down having to book with some attention to detail. I'm already dreading the "SHEAMUS HAS JUST PINNED THE WORLD CHAMPION OMGZZZ!!!" ending to Raw in the next week or two.

I'm more okay with this in a post-Network world than in a PPV-era. I think you can get away with that on a rare or semi-regular basis now that you're not buying a $50-60 show and you're buying a $10 pass to a ton of shows and a major "event" with extended matches per month.

You still got a major angle and some big matches last night, but you got another major moment and angle tonight on "free" TV. If this were like TNA five or six years ago where they were solely using their $50 show to make you watch the weekly show next week, then you have a problem. I think with the Network making major shows available at any time, you need to have big things happen on the regular weekly shows to keep people engaged.

It doesn't have to be a world title change or SHOCKING RETURN every week, but it's nice to have that here and there.

But yeah, Sheamus probably gets his win back tomorrow on SD.

[Dark One]

KICKOUT AT TWO

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[#1-norm-fan]

I'm fine with it because making Raw not be the drizzling shits is the most important thing right now. It's worth taking a major moment away from a PPV every once in a while to accomplish that and make it seem like something might actually happen on an episode of Raw.

[Dark One]

Big E with the savagery.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Jim <a href="https://twitter.com/WWEUsos">@WWEUsos</a> can do whatever he likes but it doesn't change the fact that I was rubbing asses w/ his wife on TV. He can't take that from me.</p>&mdash; ShinigamE (@WWEBigE) <a href="https://twitter.com/WWEBigE/status/676626249377280000">December 15, 2015</a></blockquote>
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[Disturbed316]

Urgh, seriously? Reigns is just terrible.

This screams like a complete WCW move by blowing the 'big win' on TV, but at least they haven't got another company to battle agains't. (although battling rating losses is pretty much the same thing)

[Dark One]

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[rockman725]

Just seems too force-fed to me.

Like really, lets rehash a storyline from our recent past and feed the audience with that. They'll be okay with it. Come on. This is pathetic.

I kinda figured that Roman was going to end up with the belt anyway at the Rumble. I think Rollins going down with the injury is what made this happen faster, tbh. I'm still looking at Lesnar coming in and winning the Rumble setting up Reigns/Lesnar 2 at WM. If Rollins can recover by Mania, which I know is unlikely but could still be possible, I can definitely see a Reigns/Lesnar/Rollins legit Triple Threat match because both Lesnar & Rollins have axes to grind in regards to the way their championship runs ended.

The only way that Roman will be successful in any type of title run is he will need to pull off a damn good character turn. Not just the heel/face aspect, but his delivery, action & reactions all need to change. He can't be the Roman Reigns of The Shield....not the muscle guy, not the enforcer he's been this entire time. Nobody buys that.

[Corkscrewed]

I thought the writers created a compelling character with Roman "Gives No Fucks" Reigns last night at TLC. Having him win the belt the following night now makes him give fucks again, cuz he's the champion. Seems like Reigns could have benefitted from a month of vigilante attacks and "gives no shit" trespassing until The Authority was forced to grant him a rematch at Royal Rumble. Also gives time to develop a change in character that the audience can get behind.

I mean, lets face it. Roman was most cheered in The Shield because he was kicking ass and tearing people apart without qualm. Sometimes, it's pretty simple.

That said, I'll reserve judgment till I see how they treat his title run. If it's back to the same formulaic "stack the deck against Roman, but he overcomes the odds" bit they do with every face, then it'll be clear that they've learned nothing and have simply had a positive blip for one week.

[Tom Guycott]

It isn't so much that, rockman... he can still be the stoic badass. After all, his mic work has only gotten marginally better since the infamous NXT promo, and he still seems like he doesn't even buy his own hype.

His push to the top was inevitable. Even being champ now is easier to swallow than it would hage been at 'Mania. Just need to chill out with the Cena 2.0 business. Let him be his own man.

[Tom Guycott]

I know better, but it would be great if he were being kayfabe groomed for a heel turn. Hunter slowly makes him see things his way, in time for a returning Seth Rollins to be butthurt he was replaced as "the future". Wishful thinking, though. They've wanted him to be the top face for so long now, they bypassed at least 3 heel turn "gimmie" moments they may have had.

The only way this isn't going to go flat fast is if they don't make him SuperReigns. He doesn't have to be "kid friendly superhero" to be a fan favorite.

More Meng, less Sting.

[DAMN iNATOR]

If anybody's interested:

http://www.wwe.com/classics/classic-lists/all-world-championship-changes-on-raw/page-16

[Maluco]

Excellent show.

Amazing journey to get the belt on Roman. In the end, WWE proves they know what their doing when it comes to creating new stars. Hope this whole saga shuts a lot of people on here up for a while.

I like reading your opinions mate and don't think you should get as much flak as you do, but saying this really is ridiculous.

He was booked terribly for a year and there have been some amazingly bad RAWS, a terrible big four PPV in Survivor Series and a loss of interest in the product in general during that time (although you deny this, agree to disagree).

This is a change of approach and a welcome, intelligent one, which they deserve credit for, but this only came after many missteps and mistakes with his character over the last year.

It is also only two shows in to this change and we should all wait and see before deciding that the issues have changed in the long term.

Before I thought that you just had an interesting, albeit blinkered vision of the product, but this post makes me feel like you have been trolling all along to get a reaction, which disappoints me.

[Sixx]

Ummm, so Reigns is the champ now?

[drave]

Yea

[Rammsteinmad]

Excellent show.

Amazing journey to get the belt on Roman. In the end, WWE proves they know what their doing when it comes to creating new stars. Hope this whole saga shuts a lot of people on here up for a while.

"This whole saga" lol. Reigns has been watchable for one week, of a one-year build. Now he has to be watchable week after week. It's something that guys like Cesaro do week-in and week-out, but isn't "good enough" to be a top star.

Don't get me wrong, Raw was actually pretty decent this week (first time I've said that in over a year), and Reigns winning the title was an unpredictable surprise. But don't use this one "Reigns title win payoff" as a "there, I was right all along", because it was one good Raw out of 52. WWE still has a HUGE problem with it's writing and the depth of it's roster. Reigns winning the title with a Philly crowd behind him doesn't change that.

[Rammsteinmad]

And as soon as Cena gets back, Reigns will be back to being #2, or #3 if Lesnar is around.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>I didn't watch Raw for the 4th week in a row as I still have very little interest in the product (and was watching MNF this week), but that sounds like it was a fun main event. Maybe they've actually figured out the right way to get the crowd behind Roman, because he's been cringe worthy for most of the year. Just let him be a no-nonsense badass.

Still not sure I can bring myself to sit through 3+ hours of Raw every week as it remains to be seen if they can sustain an interesting show every week, particularly with Reigns. If he comes out next week and cuts another tater tot promo and everyone will be back to shitting on him.</font>

[Rammsteinmad]

Raw was pretty decent. I got through it all in about an hour and a half, which is a nice change from the usual ten minutes it takes.

Still, last week was probably the WORST Raw in years, and tonight was probably the best one this year. WWE still has a lot of work to do.

[DAMN iNATOR]

<font color=goldenrod>I didn't watch Raw for the 4th week in a row as I still have very little interest in the product (and was watching MNF this week), but that sounds like it was a fun main event. Maybe they've actually figured out the right way to get the crowd behind Roman, because he's been cringe worthy for most of the year. Just let him be a no-nonsense badass.

Still not sure I can bring myself to sit through 3+ hours of Raw every week as it remains to be seen if they can sustain an interesting show every week, particularly with Reigns. If he comes out next week and cuts another tater tot promo and everyone will be back to shitting on him.</font>

Well, as Reigns Superman Punched Vince last night in the main event before spearing Sheamus for the 1-2-3, there's already speculation that he may be stripped of the belt next week. Personally, I foresee more of a situation where the title is demanded back by Vince or Steph and he refuses to relinquish it so they make his life a living hell sort of scenario playing out, but I guess we'll find out soon enough.

[Droford]

Lol Make Roman defend the belt in the Rumble starting #1. 29 vs 1 handicap match. Thatd probably be the most diabolical thing they could do to Punish him without stripping him of the title.

I need to start getting paid by the Vince

[Corkscrewed]

Except he's not starting at #1, though. Maybe #2 instead?

[Droford]

Lol he should come in 30 and no one 1-29 eliminates anyone til he gets in so there's actually 30 in the ring at once

[Corkscrewed]

That would be priceless.

Unless Reigns literally eliminates all 29 superstars.

[#1-norm-fan]

At once.

[#1-norm-fan]

You know that old Royal Rumble cliche where everyone in the ring joins forces to eliminate one big guy? It'll be like that but in reverse.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Reigns comes in at #30 and then outsmarts all 29 other men by literally lifting a corner of the ring up and dumping everybody out at once. Makes him look extra strong (literally).</font>

[Ultra Mantis]

He enters a ring of 29 men who have been merely waiting 45 minutes for Reigns to arrive as #30. Reigns fearlessly enters the ring, the others circle him, pointing feverishly at the Wrestlemania sign and muttering incoherent babble about a "brass ring". Roman turns to the hard camera, smirks his smirkiest smirk and shrugs his broad company-carrying shoulders. He cocks him muscular arm like the weapon of mass destruction we know it to be, before delivering a single superman punch to the very ring itself. The sheer strength of Roman Reigns creates a shockwave, causing all 29 of his opponents to topple over the top rope to the floor. Backstage, a single tear forms in the eye of Vince McMahon. He delicately cradles the image on his monitor, "Thank you Roman Reigns, thank you" he whispers gently. WWE is saved. Nobody will ever complain again.

[Volare]

I think people would actually jump the rails after that.