What we know about Nintendo's next system(s) - NX

[#BROKEN Hasney]

So I'm ripping this off from another forum, but there's a lot of information here. Sounds like there might be a home console then a handheld that streams from the console, but this is what we know:

1. Nintendo merged their handheld and console systems, now known as the "Integrated Research & Development Division" Or IRDD. This is headed by Genyo Tekada, the Senior Managing Director

2. Iwata's first mention of a new project that will feature unified architectures.



"Last year we also started a project to integrate the architecture for our future platforms. What we mean by integrating platforms is not integrating handhelds devices and home consoles to make only one machine. What we are aiming at is to integrate the architecture to form a common basis for software development so that we can make software assets more transferrable, and operating systems and their build-in applications more portable, regardless of form factor or performance of each platform. They will also work to avoid software lineup shortages or software development delays which tend to happen just after the launch of new hardware.

Some time ago it was technologically impossible to have the same architecture for handheld devices and home consoles and what we did was therefore reasonable. Although it has not been long since we began to integrate the architecture and this will have no short-term result, we believe that it will provide a great benefit to our platform business in the long run. I am covering this topic as today is our Corporate Management Policy Briefing."

3. Another mention of the architecture by Iwata, and how he wanted to take advantage of what they've done Wii U's architecture but not actually reuse it. Also expressing dissatisfaction with the effort needed when porting Wii games to 3DS and 3DS games to Wii U as a reason to do this. Also mentions how when this happens. consoles and handhelds will no longer be different, but like brothers in a family of systems.



"For example, currently it requires a huge amount of effort to port Wii software to Nintendo 3DS because not only their resolutions but also the methods of software development are entirely different. The same thing happens when we try to port Nintendo 3DS software to Wii U. If the transition of software from platform to platform can be made simpler, this will help solve the problem of game shortages in the launch periods of new platforms. Also, as technological advances took place at such a dramatic rate, and we were forced to choose the best technologies for video games under cost restrictions, each time we developed a new platform, we always ended up developing a system that was completely different from its predecessor. The only exception was when we went from Nintendo GameCube to Wii. Though the controller changed completely, the actual computer and graphics chips were developed very smoothly as they were very similar to those of Nintendo GameCube, but all the other systems required ground-up effort. However, I think that we no longer need this kind of effort under the current circumstances. In this perspective, while we are only going to be able to start this with the next system, it will become important for us to accurately take advantage of what we have done with the Wii U architecture. It of course does not mean that we are going to use exactly the same architecture as Wii U, but we are going to create a system that can absorb the Wii U architecture adequately. When this happens, home consoles and handheld devices will no longer be completely different, and they will become like brothers in a family of systems."

4. Iwata's comments about the above being compared to Apple and Android.

To cite a specific case, Apple is able to release smart devices with various form factors one after another because there is one way of programming adopted by all platforms. Apple has a common platform called iOS. Another example is Android. Though there are various models, Android does not face software shortages because there is one common way of programming on the Android platform that works with various models.

5. The NX is announced and is the codename of "a dedicated game platform with a brand-new concept", with more information to be shared in 2016.

6. Iwata also announced a new "membership service" that they're working with DeNA on that encompasses NX alongside Wii U, 3DS, mobile devices, and PC's and will form one of the "core elements" of the NX.

http://i.imgur.com/YaC2nY9.jpg

7. Iwata discussed about Nintendo "internally analyzing what hurdles exist" to the removal of region-locking for the NX7



"My understanding is that it is not realistic on the existing video game systems because unlocking them after they are already on the market poses a number of hurdles. On the other hand, regarding NX, we understand that many consumers hold such opinions and such suggestions exist in the market, and although we have nothing concrete at the moment, we are internally analyzing what hurdles exist to lifting region locks. That is the situation right now. We acknowledge your request, and I personally want to give it positive consideration."

8. Games-wise, originally Dragon Quest X and Dragon Quest XI were officially confirmed at the Dragon Quest XI unveiling event by the producer. However, Square-Enix afterward claimed this is only merely a "consideration"

9. Wall Street Journal reported that Nintendo has already shipped NX dev kits to certain 3rd-party developers, and that sources claim the NX will likely feature both a console and a handheld unit that can be used together or on the go for separate use, and use "industry-leading chips" after "criticism that the Wii U’s capabilities didn’t match those of competitors"

10. The Nintendo Account system was announced.

http://i.imgur.com/yJURgX2.jpg

11. Topic 6 was addressing the recently announced My Nintendo membership service.

http://i.imgur.com/GTtaDRs.jpg

12. Miyamoto ponders making on game that runs on both a console and a handheld.

Certainly from a development standpoint there is some challenge to it, because if you have two devices that have different specs and you're being told to design in a way that the game runs on both devices, then that can be challenging for the developer—but if you have a more unified development environment and you're able to make one game that runs on both systems instead of having to make a game for each system, that's an area of opportunity for us."

13. Shinya Takahashi says that Nintendo wants to make the NX exciting by looking at the perspective of the players.

14. Miyamoto has confirmed that he is taking a step back from NX's development after having a large hand in both the Wii and Wii U's development.



“I’ve pulled myself back out of some of the hardware section and I’m really focused on some of the software that I’m involved in—for example, the new Starfox game,” he says. “Of course I am observing and looking at the hardware, but I am not actively participating and making decisions.”

There's another bit that says it won't use the Wii name (thank fuck) due to confusing about the Wii U possibly being an add on. Lot of shit there, but it's enough to get me excited thinking that Iwata was and Nintendo is looking at the right things where they need improvement... Well, other than smartphone inspiration.

Long post I know, but this is the shit that happens when I have to take holiday to use up and I'm waiting for XB1 games to install.

[road doggy dogg]

Is there any legitimate source of a lot of the rumored info (console running at 900p, for example), or just people with too much time on their hands?

[Big Vic]

Yeah my friends we asking if the Wii U was an add on or a new system. Didn't know how widespread that issue was.

merging the hand held and home consoles will be pretty cool.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

Is there any legitimate source of a lot of the rumored info (console running at 900p, for example), or just people with too much time on their hands?

So there was a survey sent out to some people that mentioned it, but it was just a screenshot with no other context. It's legit but a) it doesn't mean it's what they're doing and b) it could be anything.

For me, if it is in the console in some way, I reckon it's for streaming to the handheld. At 900p and 60fps streaming, that's better than PS4 to the Vita. I'll see if I can find that shot again.

EDIT: Here we go

http://img.theepochtimes.com/n3/eet-content/uploads/2016/01/21/393939339393939-676x450.png

If the console can output at 4k (although never expect any games to run at that resolution, will be for Netflix and the like), there's no way games would be locked to 900p. It'll be up to the developer as it is with the other systems.

[drave]

Nothing, YET, screams anything "new & exciting". It sounds more like they have finally realized they need to "catch up" with other consoles.

If they do this well, I may be purchasing my first Nintendo home console since N64.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

Nothing, YET, screams anything "new & exciting". It sounds more like they have finally realized they need to "catch up" with other consoles.

If they do this well, I may be purchasing my first Nintendo home console since N64.

I'm just hoping it's at least a smidge more powerful than the XB1/PS4. I mean, Wii U games done by Nintendo look fantastic already as their art style manages to hide the technical shortcomings. But if they had the most powerful console on the market with their usual high standard of games... Oh baby.

The speculation too is that the console will launch this year, then the portable will follow so we should find that out at E3. Hoping that the streaming to the optional portable is the gimmick and that the standard box is just a regular old console.

[drave]

Agreed on all points there. My XB1 does well for the entertainment medium of the household, though my son has my 360 in his room for the same thing.

He and my wife are HUGE Mario fans, so they would absolutely love it as well.

Now, if they get the hardware right, let's hope they follow up with a Metroid title worthy of the name. Hell, I would be down for a classic-type Castlevania at this point too. The 3d ones felt too "DMC" for my liking. Not knocking DMC, but it simply isn't Castlevania.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

Defo need a new Metroid. Not been a total fan of the Prime series but adore the 2D ones.

Forgot to mention that Nintendo has a patent on a controller that is all screen, but has buttons within the screen itself, which is a bit weird.

http://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2015/12/nx1-980x636.jpg

The patent suggests a few uses for this tight melding of physical controls and touchscreen display. Virtual buttons could be placed on the touchscreen right next to the thumbpads, for example, providing context-sensitive inputs that change throughout the game. In-game items might be used simply by touching them, or music notes could fall directly into the thumbstick areas in a music game.

The touchscreen can also provide a "guide image" in "help mode," according to the patent, telling players the function of each thumbstick and button right next to where they are in real space. A circular menu could be placed around the thumbsticks as well, allowing for different options to be chosen directly with different tilts of the thumbstick; the patent spends a lot of time describing a quick-entry hybrid keyboard that could work in this way.

For me, I hope it's something they've just been playing around with. I'm not a fan of touchscreen buttons and much rather have the real thing.

[drave]

You know.... a 3rd person Metroid with a Gears of War// Mass Effect 2/3 style could be very interesting.

Obviously things would have to be scaled up a bit with the over-the-shoulder perspective to keep the environments true to the series, but it could be possible. Hell they could even have a 2nd PoV kinda like Prime when you would switch to the morph ball.

Add some "rpg" elements to it outside of just finding gear. Say you get the freeze beam - then you have traits to add to the freeze beam or something. It could give players a way to play "their own way".

[drave]

Touchscreen buttons are the worst.

[road doggy dogg]

ugh forgot about that pic of that controller

[#BROKEN Hasney]

You know.... a 3rd person Metroid with a Gears of War// Mass Effect 2/3 style could be very interesting.

Obviously things would have to be scaled up a bit with the over-the-shoulder perspective to keep the environments true to the series, but it could be possible. Hell they could even have a 2nd PoV kinda like Prime when you would switch to the morph ball.

Add some "rpg" elements to it outside of just finding gear. Say you get the freeze beam - then you have traits to add to the freeze beam or something. It could give players a way to play "their own way".

That'd be pretty hot.

Thinking about the survey picture again and if it's what's in the box and they go with a sensor bar, we'll likely have backwards compatibility all the way back to the Wii. That would be good and bad as it's great to have all that on one console, but then we have PowerPC architecture again which could put any 3rd parties off if they've got x84 on PC and the other consoles.

[drave]

still using powepc :(

[#BROKEN Hasney]

still using powepc :(

You never know, MS figured out emulating PowerPC on their system.... Not that I can see Nintendos software engineers working it out.

They probably have a huge stock of unsold Wii U CPUs though since it bombed comparatively to expectations, so maybe the first revision of the console will have that chip in it and the graphics will likely be AMD again since it has been from the Gamecube and they're keen to have those ideas, so it might not be PowerPC... Here's hoping anyway.

[drave]

Even if they could figure it out, a big reason I haven't bought a Nintendo console is because of shit games outside of marquee titles (anything Mario, Zelda, you know the ones). Don't care for Pokemon AT ALL or many of the games they came with.

Just hope if they do stick with PowerPC they don't get shafted by game devs.

[road doggy dogg]

Pokemon main series is pretty much limited to the handhelds

[#BROKEN Hasney]

I think that at this point, you have to buy a Nintendo console just for Nintendo games. Even with the Wii being so popular, 3rd party games barely sold. I have a shitton of Wii U and 3DS games so don't regret buying either, but I can see why they would combine their home and handheld consoles. There's occasional game droughts and having all teams concentrate on games for both platforms should get rid of that. Splatoon was a hell of a release, so hopefully they focus on that and not shit Amiibo led games. I don't mind Amiibo generally, but shit like Animal Crossing board games can fuck right off.

Speaking of, just bought Xenoblade Chronicles X. Need a nice long JRPG with FUCKING MECHS.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

Pokemon main series is pretty much limited to the handhelds

Yeah, but if the handheld and console are combined, we might finally have a full console Pokemon too.

[road doggy dogg]

That would be awesome. Pokemon Stadium NX confirmed 2017?

:wavesad:

[Fignuts]

Want a new metroid game so bad. At this point I don't care if it's in the classic 2d style or Prime style first person.

Other M can go fuck itself though.

[road doggy dogg]

but Samus is a woman and thus must be sensitive

[drave]

They could EASILY make a 2D Metroid and it would be ridiculous. Did anyone play the recent-ish Strider?

That game is super fun and looks beautiful, especially fighting the gravitrons or w/e they are called.

[drave]

but Samus is a woman and thus must be sensitive


Zero Suit Samus don't GAF - at least in Smash!

[DAMN iNATOR]

Dunno if I should be excited or facepalming/SMDH @ sensor bar being used with this upcoming console.

[Sepholio]

4K gaming console or gtfo.

[road doggy dogg]

Wii U came with a sensor bar that is 0% required to play any current-gen titles. It's for backwards compatibility with Wii discs. I fully anticipate the same situation for this newer console.

[Fignuts]

Remember being stoked when I saw that came with the wiiu. Thought for sure that'd be a seperate purchase.

Good thing EA doesn't make consoles. System would come with no controllers or hard drive, but you could by an 800 dollar season pass for all hardware.

[road doggy dogg]

Bi-monthly firmware update for only $35!

[drave]

4K gaming console or gtfo.


It already exists :|

[#BROKEN Hasney]

After buying all the Smash DLC for Wii U and 3DS, I'm so ready for the Nintendo Account. Was far too long inputting all the 3DS codes.

[DAMN iNATOR]

Wii U came with a sensor bar that is 0% required to play any current-gen titles. It's for backwards compatibility with Wii discs. I fully anticipate the same situation for this newer console.

Maybe...hadn't thought of that, so naturally it raised an eyebrow.

[DAMN iNATOR]

After buying all the Smash DLC for Wii U and 3DS, I'm so ready for the Nintendo Account. Was far too long inputting all the 3DS codes.

Imagine if there's a traditional set of next-gen consolex to follow PS4 & XB1 that you could log in to either or both using either traditional u:/pw: PLUS some kind of biometric as like a n additional optional thing, or just having them do away with u: & pw: systems (they do seem pretty archaic) for a biometric log-in/out system, such as retina scan, or maybe tapping a designated spot on your controller or console for "digital fingerprint" kind of thing.

Dunno how practical any of that would be, but hey, it's a thought.

[road doggy dogg]

After buying all the Smash DLC for Wii U and 3DS, I'm so ready for the Nintendo Account. Was far too long inputting all the 3DS codes.

YUP

How much were Corrin/Bayonetta? I hadn't checked yesterday. Gotten all other DLC to date (minus a couple stages and all the Mii costume garbage), feel like my cost:play ratio for Smash is really bad compared to something like Pokemon Shuffle :o

[#BROKEN Hasney]

Nintendo might be funding development of Beyond Good and Evil 2 like how they did with Bayonetta 2
http://www.destructoid.com/rumor-nintendo-funding-beyond-good-and-evil-sequel-346059.phtml?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

[Fignuts]

Still need to play the first one. Has a pretty huge rep.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

Foxconn told investors that things are quiet right now, but the second half of the year will be busy with producing the iPhone 7, next Surface tablet... And the Nintendo NX. Called out by name.

[The Rogerer]

I finished BG&E a few months ago. It's such a nice little game, you can see why there's so much fondness for a sequel. The gameplay is really PS2y, in that it's an attempt at stealthy stuff that didn't work great and stopped existing in that era. It has a nice eclectic feel to it though, you never feel like you're repeating the same thing.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

There's an earnings call on April 27th. In that, they'll have to say something if it's planned to come out in the next 12 months, so we'll know fairly soon.

[DAMN iNATOR]

Dunno, but obviously, the longer Nintendo takes to finish and release the NX, the farther they are getting "behind the 8-ball" IMHO.

[road doggy dogg]

incredible #hottake

[DAMN iNATOR]

I get the impression that's ssrcasm?

[#BROKEN Hasney]

this is going around as a "leaked" controller picture.

http://i.imgur.com/e3Hnygp.png

Personally, I think someone saw the patent and made a version of that. It's quite convincing, but I'm not buying it.

Honestly, if that was the controller, this is the first Nintendo console I don't get on launch day since I've been working.

[drave]

That looks pretty fucked up..... but also looks kinda faked.

I believe I may buy Nintendo's next console IF........


They give us a proper Metroid game :rant:

[#BROKEN Hasney]

There's a story in Nikkei, the Japanese business newspaper that says Wii U production is planned to end this year. It's all signing up.

[road doggy dogg]

sweet maybe every Wii U title will become a Nintendo Select and I can get a bunch of good games for $20

already regret paying $70 or w/e for Pokken, not that it's a bad game or anything I just really am apathetic towards fighters

[Fignuts]

If the NX is backwards compatible, I don't see WiiU game prices dropping.

[road doggy dogg]

True, but who knows what they've got planned for this thing

[The Rogerer]

If you're dropping full price on games you don't care about, why worry about hypothetical savings?

Not trying to be a dick or anything

[road doggy dogg]

Oh for sure, I just meant some of the games I was on the fence about, something like Hyrule Warriors for example

[#BROKEN Hasney]

Oh for sure, I just meant some of the games I was on the fence about, something like Hyrule Warriors for example

Dude. You bring down the moon from Majoras Mask from the sky to crush things. Go trade in Pokken now you have the card to keep.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

Shit, reminds me I need the 3DS version for the new characters too.

[Fignuts]

Dunno pokken looks pretty fun, and I'm not a big pokemon fan. I like tekken though.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

Oh no. Oh god no. I mean, even as a Nintendo fanboy that was all too willing to accept the gamepad, this would make me question things if true. Did I say oh no?

https://i.imgur.com/pkfWmFK.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/GB8lTkz.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/YsGkiV7.jpg

- Only the upper 'nubs' of the sticks move. The bottom part is static (kind of like the circle pad, but it moves along the bottom 'sphere'.
- The rollers on the top feel and look pretty much identical to a mouse scroll-wheel. Though I do don't believe this will be the final design.
- Haptic feedback is feels like Apples 'taptic' engine. Not like regular rumble.
- 3.5mm headphone jack on the bottom

From the editor of GameInformer:

http://i.imgur.com/W7PEAoS.png
http://i.imgur.com/GeHnlMZ.png

https://i.imgur.com/w5cWvVy.png

Like, a smaller version of the gamepad? I'm down for. No face buttons? Ughhhh.

Still possible to be false of course, but too much smoke for my liking.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

Seems like way too much effort to fake that controller in that way compared to the other one.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

In slightly worrying stalkery news, someone seems to think this is leaked by Ubisoft Massive based on the Swedish keyboard layout and the reflection of a tree.

http://i.imgur.com/lRleegF.png

[The Rogerer]

There was mention when that patent came out that Sharp (I think) had some magic button touchscreen/button tech.

I think it might be that thing, after reading Ian Bogost's review of the Wii U again. Its a great read and worth thinking about Nintendo's philosophy

http://www.gamasutra.com/view/feature/182294/persuasive_games_wii_cant_go_on_.php

I think they'll want to make something never seen before

[#BROKEN Hasney]

The white one has buttons on or possibly even deeper inside the screen when you look close. One could be newer or older though, so who knows what they're doing with it.

Touching a screen without any sort of travel time is a deal breaker for me though. I can barely deal with it for my phone or tablet and have keyboard addons for both.

[The Rogerer]

Its mental.

The thing with Nintendo is, there's no guarantee they will make the controls perfect either. After the Motion Plus they're quite happy to put out wonky stuff.

I can't remember being this intruiged

[#BROKEN Hasney]

We need to go deeper.

https://i.imgur.com/3snQpj7.jpg

Size makes sense, but hopefully it would at least come with a plastic shell to clip on some grips. Feel like it would be like the original Wii Classic Controller to hold AKA not nice.

[drave]

Really would hope for actual buttons. Really have a hatred for "digital" or "on-screen" buttons/d-pads that dominate tablet/mobile games.

[road doggy dogg]

Rip Nintendo

[drave]

a new b-hole

[The Rogerer]

I wore a Nintendo sweatshirt in the early 90s and was ridiculed for it. Now it would be the greatest item of clothing I could own and everyone would high five me. I'm in it for life. The rest of you can fuck off and I'll be perfectly happy smearing my thumb sweat over some fucking weird egg.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

That's why it was easier to be a Sega fanboy. They had the decency to die ;)

...

:(

[The Rogerer]

It's bollocks!

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2016-03-23-nintendo-nx-controller-reports-gather-pace

[#BROKEN Hasney]

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/z_B65J86D_8" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Yeah, wow. That's really well done.

[road doggy dogg]

Un-rip Nintendo

[The Rogerer]

Un-rip NintendoOh, he's one of your people. Doing it for the upvotes.

[road doggy dogg]

I'm not sure I follow

[Emperor Smeat]

Apparently there is another rumored version of the controller floating around Reddit which has the screen feature of the faked oval controller but also has actual buttons and in a more traditional controller shape.

Same source of the rumor debunked the faked oval controllers before the leakers themselves revealed it was hoaxes.

For starters, that "leaked" NX controller is a fake. It's really convincing, but the controller that we have on our devkit is nothing like that.

Our devkit's controller:

Doesn't have an oval screen. Ours is a standard rectangle.
Has physical buttons with a screen behind them. It doesn't have a form shifting screen, nor does it have a touchscreen with haptic feedback.
Is hardwired to the devkit, which looks like a boring black box with some USB ports and a disc drive.
However, that fake does get a couple things right. It does have scroll wheel shoulder buttons, but in addition to them it also has two regular shoulder buttons labeled ZL and ZR. It also has a headphone jack in the bottom of the controller.


Some other things I can tell you:

I don't know if the NX is backwards compatible with the Wii U or 3DS or not, but it doesn't look like it is. The system is different enough from both that I think it would be hard to play games from other consoles.
The controller is sort of a game system in its own, but it's not a replacement for the 3DS. It works like a companion app on a phone, and you can take it with you and control some things from your game, like how the VMU on the Dreamcast let you take a Chao with you and train it.
No one outside Nintendo knows what the NX's name is. It's still the NX here internally.


https://www.reddit.com/r/NintendoNX/comments/4btxk0/i_am_a_aaa_dev_who_actually_works_with_a_real_nx/

[VSG]

What's this about a dev saying the NX has more powah than the PS4? I mean, it should given the year but I wasn't sure Nintendo wanted to go that route.

[The Rogerer]

We're in full on bullshit mode now. There's always someone after neogaf or reddit cred.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

What's this about a dev saying the NX has more powah than the PS4? I mean, it should given the year but I wasn't sure Nintendo wanted to go that route.

Noone with any sort of track record has said anything yet. There's was someone on twitter that people started to post as a rumor said it was *as* powerful as the PS4/XB1, but it was designed for games, so could use more power. The fuck were the PS4 and XB1 designed for then?

Honestly, going out of cycle like this and after 2.5 years of the other consoles, if it's not at least as powerful as the competition after they went low power for cost, it would be pretty disappointing. Equal power should be a safe bet, but it's Nintendo, so who knows.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

Nintendo has their financial results coming out on April 27th with a Q&A on the 28th. NX will likely be mentioned if it is coming out before April 2017, even if it's in passing and told to "wait for E3", but it would be nice to have it confirmed that it's this financial year.

[Big Vic]

...but it was designed for games, so could use more power. The freeek were the PS4 and XB1 designed for then?.XB1 focused more on other functionalities to begin with.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

XB1 focused more on other functionalities to begin with.

You don't put that graphics card in, have a cache of ESRAM and develop DirectX 12 if it wasn't designed for games. While it was promoted differently at the start, there's no way the actual design of the hardware wasn't for games.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

NX will release globally in March 2017.

Well dang. At least my wallet will recover from PSVR and Christmas by then. Hopefully we'll see some stuff at E3.

[Emperor Smeat]

The company also confirmed The Legend of Zelda title previously announced for Wii U has been delayed. It will no longer release in 2016, and will instead arrive in 2017 simultaneously for both the Wii U and Nintendo NX.

It's also been confirmed that we won't be seeing much of the NX at this year's E3. Instead, the focus will be on the upcoming Zelda title.
http://www.destructoid.com/nintendo-s-nx-to-launch-globally-march-2017-357851.phtml

[#BROKEN Hasney]

Won't touch on the NX, but here's Zelda which is coming out for it. Hopefully they make it clear which version is being shown.

Also, not expecting much from Nintendo at this E3 at all. Think 2016 is going to be the end of the Wii drought where we get very little. Think the only majorish games coming for the Wii U are Paper Mario and #FE.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

The Legend of Zelda will be the only playable game Nintendo brings to E3. Complete E3 plans will be announced later on. Wii U version only too.

Fucking lol.

[drave]

Nintendo, Where Are They Now?

[road doggy dogg]

disappointing stuff I guess

have tons of 3DS games to play through though so w/e

[road doggy dogg]

does this affect preorder stuff at all for Zelda Wii U

[The Rogerer]

Like what

[#BROKEN Hasney]

does this affect preorder stuff at all for Zelda Wii U

Probably not. You'll just have to wait until March.

[road doggy dogg]

I have no idear how that stuff works, like... when the preorders opened they had the tentative "December 31, 2016" date as they didn't know the actual release date, I wasn't sure if they were "bound" to release it by that date or w/e

not that I'd care, I'll wait regardless, just curious of the intricacies of it all I guess

[#BROKEN Hasney]

I havne't heard of a store not honouring a pre-order because the date changed, nah. Hell, I think a couple of crazy people got Duke Nukem Forever pre-orders honoured.

[The Rogerer]

North Americans seem really into pre-ordering games for some reason.

[road doggy dogg]

I generally avoid them but Best Buy was having a sale where you could buy a title and get 30% of a preordered title or something so I figured why the hell not

[The Rogerer]

Ah, we don't have any of those sorts of incentives. Just a stupid 'Day One' edition that you can buy anyway.

[road doggy dogg]

It's always funny when a big title release gets that treatment and then there ends up being ample amounts.

I remember back in my heavier WoW-playing days, when the first expansion came out I preordered two copies (had two accounts going at the time) and showed up at store open at Best Buy to get it, and there was a huge display in the front of the store and literally nobody else was waiting for it. Felt like a bit of a tit for worrying so much but w/e

[#BROKEN Hasney]

There have been shortages before due to unexpected demand, but nothing too drastic since Dead Island in the UK. Ratchet and Clank has been hard to find in some countries.

Generally, I only pre-order when there's a decent offer. The Game Collection and Simply Games usually have good pre-release deals that go up after release, so if they're below £40, I'll jump on them.

Really hope Amazon brings over their 20% off all pre-orders with Prime thing they have in America.

Hilariously, Day One editions of Final Fantasy Type 0 with the XV demo are still available in stores.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

Also, Nintendo are saying they're delaying Zelda for quality, but being delayed until the new console comes out? Come on Nintendo. We're not silly.

Really hoping they're holding out for AMD Polaris, but I know they won't be. Probably be lower powered again.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

When asked why Nintendo wasn’t launching the NX in time for this year’s big holiday season, Kimishima explained that Nintendo wanted to make sure there were games to go along with the NX.

Maybe they delayed the NX for Zelda and other games rather than the other way around?

Lots of things must be in a bad state to have them miss holiday.

[DAMN iNATOR]

I havne't heard of a store not honouring a pre-order because the date changed, nah. Hell, I think a couple of crazy people got Duke Nukem Forever pre-orders honoured.

Back when people KNEW it was FINALLY releasing, I made what is to this day the worst personal decision in gaming and pre-ordered the $100 "Balls of Steel" Edition...."a fool and his money", "caveat emptor", etc., etc.

[Savio]

I hope the rumors are true of NX going to a subscription based model. Hate buying games, And paying something like 15$ a month wont be bad. Nintendo would be getting more money out of me than they do now.

[Ruien]

Seriously, what the hell. Is this going to be like some super huge mega Zelda game? They should have had a Zelda game out like a year ago.

[Emperor Smeat]

Yeup since the stuff they've shown off or hinted about in the past makes it seem to be closer to a Skyrim or Fallout series for scope and size.

[Ruien]

That makes sense and I sure hope so.

[Emperor Smeat]

According to Nintendo, the official reason for the NX's March launch date instead of a possible Holiday 2016 date is due to them wanting more time to build up the console's launch library.

Also unlike the Wii U, they currently don't have plans to sell the console at a loss for its launch.

Nintendo has shared some new details on its upcoming NX system. The English translation of Nintendo CEO Tatsumi Kimishima's Q&A session with investors was published today. As part of this, someone asked if the NX would be sold at a loss like the Wii U was in 2012. Kimishima said this is not expected to be the case--and explained why.

"We are not thinking of launching the hardware at a loss," he said. "When Wii U was launched, the yen was very strong. I am assuming that situation will not repeat itself. Selling at a loss at launch would not support the business, so we are keeping that mind in developing NX."

Some had expected Nintendo to launch the system in time for the busy year-end holiday shopping season. Kimishima said one of the reasons why Nintendo chose March 2017 as the NX's release window was to ensure that "the software lineup will be ready in time for the hardware launch."

Responding to another analyst's question about the NX release window, Kimishima again stressed that having a solid launch lineup is important.

"We believe that when launching hardware, the amount of quality software for consumers to play that is available at launch is important, and that we ought to determine our launch dates based on this," he said.
http://www.gamespot.com/articles/nintendo-didnt-want-to-rush-nx-launch-says-system-/1100-6439399/


Recent rumors had been teasing Nintendo is currently planning for the first year of the NX's lifespan to have as many Nintendo produced games as the Wii U did for its entire lifespan.

[The Rogerer]

Didn't they slash down the 3DS to make a loss on it in the first year? It had a rough start.

[road doggy dogg]

The library for the 3DS sucked at the start which I think hurt it more

Hope they're making the right gamble with NX by delaying it so it has a good launch lineup

[Big Vic]

The time between this gaming generation and the next seems very short.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

The time between this gaming generation and the next seems very short.

How so? Nintendo are doing their usual 5ish year cycle and Sony and MS are going to lengthen it with stopgap spec bump consoles. If anything, it'll be longer.

[The Rogerer]

The Wii U had a fantastic attempt at a launch lineup, but there's only so much they could do, it was simultaneously impressive and yet rubbish. Their selling point for the NX could very well be 'Get the new thing with Zelda'

[road doggy dogg]

Or if they somehow wrangle in some 3rd-party support, that alone would vastly bump the lineup

[Emperor Smeat]

Didn't they slash down the 3DS to make a loss on it in the first year? It had a rough start.

Yes although that might have been more of them being way too overconfident at the $250 price tag being something people would easily accept for handhelds when it was quickly debunked by consumers. Could argue the same for the Vita as a partial reason for its huge sales struggles.
$200 and less seems to be the sweet spot for gaming handhelds regardless of the tech or power.

Only reason they didn't do the same for the Wii U was because of the tablet eating up too much of the console's cost. Would probably have been even slower for them to recoup lost costs had they given it a similar massive price cut. If I remember correctly, the tablet ate up almost a third of production costs (around $80+) while they were losing around $50-$60 per console at launch.

[The Rogerer]

Or if they somehow wrangle in some 3rd-party support, that alone would vastly bump the lineupWho? At least for the Wii U they could line up a series of games for people to easily and quickly port. I feel like EA and Ubisoft won't touch them with a bargepole anymore, Konami and Capcom are dead. Any other game worth touching will be a couple of years down the road from now.

Unless they push a big indie initiative, and even then, those sorts of projects are visible a couple of years before they come out. There was talk they'd go with Unity, but it struggles enough on PS4.

[Big Vic]

How so? Nintendo are doing their usual 5ish year cycle and Sony and MS are going to lengthen it with stopgap spec bump consoles. If anything, it'll be longer. I've been hearing stuff about a new playstation, Didn't the PS4 come out in 2014?

[#BROKEN Hasney]

I've been hearing stuff about a new playstation, Didn't the PS4 come out in 2014?

Yup and it'll be announced at E3, but it's still a PS4. Basically, both the new one and the current one will play exactly the same games, but the new one will look better or have a better frame rate. It won't have exclusive games of its own.

It's like a New 3DS basically.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

There will be no Nintendo Direct at E3 at all, so they're just bringing Zelda playable and there will be no other announcements at all.

Treehouse livestream will also just be Zelda.

Ahahaha

[drave]

Nintendo makes me sad :(

[Emperor Smeat]

NX rumored to be using 3DS-like carts for games based on a report by Japanese financial analysis firm Money-Link.

Claimed the carts are currently being produced by manufacturer Macronix which can hold 32GB of data and could end up proving a recent disc-less console patent by Nintendo last year being true.

What tipped off the analyst firm in regards to carts likely being used was from a recent financial report by the manufacturer which goes against their typical reporting habits.

The memory company also increased their projected profits in the fourth quarter, which Money-Link notes is abnormal for the company. Usually, Macronix has a downturn of profits in that time period, but Chairman of Macronix Wu Miin said that a quantity of orders from “an important customer, Nintendo, will have critical impact” during the usual slump.

The order is also in line with a patent filed by Nintendo last year that insinuated the company would move away from disc-based media for its next system. The lack of a disc drive is also in-line with rumors that Nintendo wants their next console to be a hybrid handheld and mobile device.
http://www.egmnow.com/articles/news/nintendos-nx-may-use-cards-not-unlike-3ds-catridges-new-report-says/

[drave]

but...... why? :|

[#BROKEN Hasney]

but...... why? :|

Because there's some element of a portable thing to this. That's what that'll probably be used for and disc or digital downloads used for the full console experience.

Even then, 32GB isn't far off the size of a blu ray and if it's faster and around the same price, then it might be the way to go.

[Destor]

SO is the next Zelda 100% going to be on the NX? because if it is I will wait for it to drop before I buy Zelda, I have no issues buying a WiiU JUST to play Zelda but if it will be on both then I might as well wait.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

SO is the next Zelda 100% going to be on the NX? because if it is I will wait for it to drop before I buy Zelda, I have no issues buying a WiiU JUST to play Zelda but if it will be on both then I might as well wait.

Yup, they've specifically said it's coming out on both.

[Destor]

That seals it then: the WiiU is the first Nintendo I've never owned

[Big Vic]

Can I have your virtual boy plz :)

[Destor]

Can I have your virtual boy plz :)It's at the bottom of a landfill I'm sure :'(

[drave]

Wii U seems like it wasn't around very long.

[road doggy dogg]

It didn't do good at all

[#BROKEN Hasney]

Wii U seems like it wasn't around very long.

Nintendo consoles last 5 years typically. Wii U will be 4 and a half and the Wii was 6, but its not a massive difference to their schedule.

[Emperor Smeat]

Wii U seems like it wasn't around very long.

Going to end up being around half a year shorter than the average Nintendo console cycle but pretty much had replacement rumors going on since about a year after its launch.

People really wanted Nintendo to pull a Sega with the console which would have put them in worse shape with the NX in regards to developers and retailers.

[drave]

4 and a half, really? Guess I just don't remember hearing much about it at all :(

Really loved Nintendo growing up.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

4 and a half, really? Guess I just don't remember hearing much about it at all :(

Really loved Nintendo growing up.

Honestly, the thing just went under everyone's radar. My ex who owned pretty much every Nintendo console from the N64 to the Wii asked what it was when she saw it. Those who even did hear about it thought it might be an add on for the Wii.

Hope they knock it out of the park with the NX, but I'm not exactly holding my breath. Not been the greatest start.

[Droford]

I like the idea of cartridges if space is left on them for downloaded patches.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

I like the idea of cartridges if space is left on them for downloaded patches.

It would have to have some sort of internal storage anyway. They wouldn't get away from the download shop.

[Big Vic]

Honestly, the thing just went under everyone's radar. My ex who owned pretty much every Nintendo console from the N64 to the Wii asked what it was when she saw it. Those who even did hear about it thought it might be an add on for the Wii.

Hope they knock it out of the park with the NX, but I'm not exactly holding my breath. Not been the greatest start.
Had bad marketing people thought it was just an upgrade or an add on to the Wii, some people just thought it was a controller.

I only bought of for Mario Maker and Splatoon I think. Still haven't purchased splatoon yet though.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

Interviewer: It seems more to me that the NX will have an effect on the Wii U due to the fact that both will be consoles.
Kimishima: I suppose it can be seen that way. However, the NX is neither the successor to the Wii U nor to the 3DS. It's a new way of playing games, which I think will have a larger impact than the Wii U, but I don't feel it's a pure replacement for the Wii U.

Yeah, there's going to be a gimmick....

Also, there were reports that it's not using x86 and maybe using the same Android chips NVidia produce to give it about the power of an XBox 1. There's now so many conflicting rumours that I just want to get to the announcement already.

[Big Vic]

Hopefully it will be a service like Netflix :D

[Emperor Smeat]

Sounds like what they said prior to the DS' launch about it not being a real successor and as its own thing. Only later did it become the official successor to the Gameboy line once it was successful.

Either that or because its rumored to be a hybrid, Nintendo doesn't think it fits in either line for direct lineage.

[drave]

If it isn't "VR" and it is a gimmick, they can GTFO

[#BROKEN Hasney]

I'm pretty sure it's not going to be VR. That would have leaked by now.

[drave]

Yea, which is why the can GTFO.


RIP Nintendo

[Sepholio]

If its not significantly more powerful than base model XB1 and PS4 then they are wasting their time. One big reason for the failure of Wii U is that it is so inferior to its competition and didn't have a good enough gimmick like the original Wii to make up for it. I love my Wii U for certain games, but if those games were on another system then I'd 100% choose it over the Wii U.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

I only buy a Nintendo console for Nintendo games anyway, so I'd be in the same boat. No stupid gimmick and backwards compatability and I'll likely be there day one... But the latter is looking less and less likely.

[Destor]

I buy nintendo to play zelda, and then knce i have it inpick up other 1st party IPs. Honestly I wish theyd get out of the console game.

[Sepholio]

Maybe Nintendo and Sega should merge and create the ultimate failed console, the SaturnU.

[Big Vic]

Wii U > GameCube, IMO

[Destor]

Wii U > GameCube, IMOThems fighting words :mad:

[Big Vic]

Gamecube had 1 "killer app"

Wii U has 2, also you can play Wii games.

[Destor]

Gamecube had 1 "killer app"

Wii U has 2, also you can play Wii games.I dont even know how to respond to this, the library was great.


Enteranl Darkness
Sunshine
Wind Waker
Mario Party (insert no. here)
Double Dash
DoR1&2 get my vote for best non-no mercy wrestling games ever
Fire Emblem
Luigi's mansion
paper mario 1000 year door
star fox adventures (unsung zelda clone IT WAS GREAT)
Rogue Squadren 2 (& kinda 3)
All the mario sports games were gold


Not to mention is was still getting cross platform games (except you got them WITH NO LOAD TIMES) so you only missed exclusives

[Savio]

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[Fignuts]

Resident Evil 4 was a gc exclusive for quite a while. Skyward sword and Twilight Princess also great.

Thwre was this mech battle game that was a lot of fun that doesn't get anywhere ner the attention it deserves. So overlooked I forgot the name.

[DAMN iNATOR]

Resident Evil 4 was a gc exclusive for quite a while. Skyward sword and Twilight Princess also great.

Thwre was this mech battle game that was a lot of fun that doesn't get anywhere ner the attention it deserves. So overlooked I forgot the name.

Custom Robo?

[#BROKEN Hasney]

Eurogamer are reporting it is a hybrid system that is a handheld that can be docked to the TV, using NVidia Tegra, possibly a newer Pascal based one and using cartridges up to 32GB at launch.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2016-07-26-nx-is-a-portable-console-with-detachable-controllers

[drave]

Meh.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

If it is the Pascal based Tegra X2, it'll be more powerful than a PS4 or XB1 and yet be portable. It's not too crazy because it is supposed to be a mobile chip.

If its X1... Well, its still more powerful than the Wii U at least.

[drave]

Power means nothing anymore, to be honest. But I've always been in the crowd that favors the experience rather than ZOMG 60fps or GTFO

[Emperor Smeat]

In terms of games, a recent report by MVC hinted at Nintendo repairing ties with Ubisoft to ensure stronger support for the NX.

Also teased Nintendo is planning on releasing a new major Mario and Pokemon game within the first 6 months of the NX's launch.

The site reports that Nintendo has not only secured strong third-party support from WB, Activision, Ubisoft, Square Enix, and Sega (where have we heard that before?), but it's also going to make a big first-party push too, in addition to Zelda: Breath of the Wild. Apparently, Game Freak is developing a new Pokemon game for the system, as well as a new Mario.
https://www.destructoid.com/report-nintendo-will-have-a-new-nx-mario-and-pokemon-within-six-months-of-launch-378527.phtml
http://www.mcvuk.com/news/read/pok-mon-mario-and-zelda-headline-nx-dream-line-up/0170678

[#BROKEN Hasney]

So what it sounds like is a:

6-7" tablet type screen with controllers that bolt onto the sides and 720p for the handheld. The controller can disconnect from the screen and connect together as a wireless controller. Based on descriptions, be something like this:

http://i.imgur.com/DWSRjyX.png

A TV-out/dock for home console gaming outputting out at 4k (games probably won't render at that though)
Uses cartridges up to 32GB
Dev kits are region free. Hoping that retail units are too.

Now, for the most recent news. There's an official Splatoon tournament happening in October and the prize? A Nintendo NX. I'd have to imagine that it would at least be revealed what the hell it is by then.

[Big Vic]

Wonder if NX will be the final name.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

It won't be, much like Revolution and Dolphin.

[Big Vic]

I hope not, don't they usually release the real name by now?

[#BROKEN Hasney]

Nah, they'll announce the real name when they actually unveil the system. Still holding out hope it'll be this month.

[Emperor Smeat]

Might be as early as next week since a couple of reports teased it occurring right before or during the Tokyo Game Show event.

[Emperor Smeat]

Scratch that since a new report from the Wall Street Journal is now teasing early October as the official debut date for the NX.

Assuming its true, maybe Nintendo didn't want anything else from the Tokyo Game Show to share the media spotlight with the NX had it occurred next week. Also could be entirely related to them wanting to pull another "The Wizard" moment by using the upcoming Splatoon tournament for its official debut.

http://www.gamespot.com/articles/nintendo-nx-details-coming-very-soon-report/1100-6443403/

[Emperor Smeat]

More signs pointing to the rumor of the NX using carts popped up after a recent trademark for Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild included references to game cartridges.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">New Zelda: Breath of the Wild trademark info further confirms game carts for NX <a href="https://t.co/AirCxl2rj5">https://t.co/AirCxl2rj5</a> <a href="https://t.co/yQkN3z3tDo">pic.twitter.com/yQkN3z3tDo</a></p>&mdash; AllGamesDelta (@AllGamesDelta) <a href="https://twitter.com/AllGamesDelta/status/775421469765632000">September 12, 2016</a></blockquote>
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https://www.destructoid.com/zelda-breath-of-the-wild-trademark-includes-a-cartridge-listing-386435.phtml

[Emperor Smeat]

NX rumored to be launching during the week of March 4th if a recent release date for Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild is any indication.

https://www.destructoid.com/zelda-breath-of-the-wild-amiibo-seemingly-gets-a-release-date-may-indicate-game-s-launch-387705.phtml

[#BROKEN Hasney]

Bunch of retailers are heading to Nintendo Europe in Germany for an announcement within days.

https://media.giphy.com/media/a8GOUGGMCOSIM/giphy.gif

[Emperor Smeat]

According to recent reports, test production runs of the NX have started so very likely leaks of the console are going to get released if Nintendo doesn't make an official announcement soon. Foxcom has a pretty leaky history when it comes to electronic devices.

Also rumored is the battery life for the handheld portion likely will be poor because of the stuff it will be doing.

Also rumored to unlikely suffer a production delay unless something really drastic occurs during the test/trial run like with the Xbox One and issues with its early chips.

http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20160922PD207.html
https://arcadegirl64.wordpress.com/2016/09/02/rumor-what-should-we-expect-from-the-final-nx-product/

[#BROKEN Hasney]

Destructoid have a story saying Nintendo might be funding Beyond Good and Evil 2 for the NX

https://www.destructoid.com/rumor-nintendo-funding-beyond-good-and-evil-sequel-346059.phtml

[Emperor Smeat]

According to a supposed retailer source who has been vetted on Reddit's NX board, NX is rumored to be getting priced at $300 with no less than 4 games guaranteed to be available at launch and one to be a Mario game.

Also rumored to be having a bundled option for $400 and retailer demos to arrive by February. NX also rumored to support 4K for media streaming but not for gameplay.

NX could end up as the console's official name since retailers are still in the dark for its name and recent batch of promotional stuff still had the NX name on it.

Reddit's NX board mods are doing everything possible to keep their vetted source secret since some of the leaks if legit could cause possible legal issues against the source and/or retailer.

There is a catch though, Reddit's NX board mods still state its possible this new stuff could end up being fake even though their source has been given top verification status. Has to do with previous incidents of high level sources revealing stuff that was quickly debunked.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1291439

[Emperor Smeat]

Supposedly Nintendo will be officially debuting the NX tomorrow according to several sources. Main reason is due to Nintendo wanting some early info to be released prior to the investors meeting occuring later this month.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1296848

[#BROKEN Hasney]

Be among the first to discover #NX. Watch the Preview Trailer at 7am PT/10am ET!

Don't expect much though, it's 3 minutes long.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

http://i.imgur.com/OUaCHF0.png

Also, according to a bunch of tweets, at least 3 devs are gonna announce their game after this reveal. So lotsa news right off the bat.