View Full Version : Clash of Champions 9-25-16 "Nothing about this PPV interests me"
I think Charlotte will retain
Savio
09-25-2016, 09:53 PM
Tired of spots in multi-person matches where the person hits their signature move on everyone in different corners.
Raw roster seems pretty "stacked" still I guess... this seems like a pre-brand split PPV
yeah...also seems 'not as good' though too...like RAW has a big roster but isn't that exciting most of the time
I wish Alexa Bliss was in this match
Emperor Smeat
09-25-2016, 09:55 PM
That could have ended a lot worse for Bayley. Looked like she almost went throat first into the ropes.
Nark Order
09-25-2016, 09:56 PM
Whoa. I dont know if Ive even ever seen a double moonsault like that
Droford
09-25-2016, 09:57 PM
Deoford and I on the same scent.
Well i think shes going to cost her the mstch but still
Good match, the right woman won
Droford
09-25-2016, 09:58 PM
The woooski boot
Emperor Smeat
09-25-2016, 10:01 PM
Women's title match was pretty good overall.
Pretty much guaranteed the next big Women's title match is taking place in the Cell or cage from the amount of interfering Dana did.
Nark Order
09-25-2016, 10:01 PM
oh my god. reigns is going to get the one title change on the card.
Rusev & Lana: a MACHKA made in heaven
I think Rusev will win @narc
I think they'll have a HIAC rematch where he might win tho
Emperor Smeat
09-25-2016, 10:05 PM
Reigns-Rusev feud has been really weird. Outside of a couple of moments, Reigns had way too much of the upper-hand and Rusev looking more sympathetic since all he wants to do is get revenge for his wife's honor.
Triple A
09-25-2016, 10:06 PM
I like when Rusev calls Roman Reigns "Roman Reign"
fucking streming sites, you create an account, try to login, it sends to a completely different site
DaveWadding
09-25-2016, 10:07 PM
Zayn is a mid card lifer. He is already set where he is at. His one or two last real rubs should be with potential main eventers.
Do you not think that Zayn/Owens for the title would draw just as much as it already has in every other promotion?
and the fucking ads, i can only see their legs once i finally registered somehow, cant even close those ads
Dark One
09-25-2016, 10:07 PM
"Rusev is fighting for the honor of his wife, and Roman Reigns is fighting for, well, the United States Title."
Who's the face here again?
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The thing about PPVs and Raw both being 3 hours is that PPVs become a reminder that Raw doesn't have to be a pile of garbage. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/WWEClash?src=hash">#WWEClash</a></p>— Ryan Franson (@TheRyanFranson) <a href="https://twitter.com/TheRyanFranson/status/780221246751449089">September 26, 2016</a></blockquote>
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Nark Order
09-25-2016, 10:09 PM
I hate how the WWE acts like getting half cheers mixed with half boos is an accomplishment. Makes my blood boil
Droford
09-25-2016, 10:09 PM
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The thing about PPVs and Raw both being 3 hours is that PPVs become a reminder that Raw doesn't have to be a pile of garbage. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/WWEClash?src=hash">#WWEClash</a></p>— Ryan Franson (@TheRyanFranson) <a href="https://twitter.com/TheRyanFranson/status/780221246751449089">September 26, 2016</a></blockquote>
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Lack of Commercial breaks and recap segments
Roman looks a little less muscular, like he is not on ROIDS
where is owenbrown at, he would appreciate that sentiment
the demon owenbrown I summon you to login r/n
Nark Order
09-25-2016, 10:13 PM
This really does seem like Rusev is just defending the honor of his wife against a legitimate bad guy
Emperor Smeat
09-25-2016, 10:14 PM
I hate how the WWE acts like getting half cheers mixed with half boos is an accomplishment. Makes my blood boil
Worked for Cena although took years for the WWE to stop being overly stubborn with Cena's booking and Cena himself slowly winnings crowds over. Reigns has neither.
Schlomey
09-25-2016, 10:15 PM
I've enjoyed the show a lot....until this (Rusev/Reigns) match anways. The Womens match was as good as I hoped and expected.
Nark Order
09-25-2016, 10:15 PM
It doesnt help that Roman Reigns looks like supervillain in the Marvel Universe.
Dark One
09-25-2016, 10:16 PM
"Roman Reigns has faced adversity his entire career."
What.
In what reality?
Schlomey
09-25-2016, 10:17 PM
I believe The Shield angle he debuted with he WAS the adversity lol.
Schlomey
09-25-2016, 10:18 PM
either that or they are referencing his learning disabilities.
Nark Order
09-25-2016, 10:18 PM
Reigns has faced the adversity of being good looking, huge, ripped, and being from a famous wrestling family
This ppv is not as good as Backlash was - but it isn't bad either
this crowd sounds like it barely cares
Schlomey
09-25-2016, 10:20 PM
Anyone else think all these Jericho wins will lead to him re-entering the main event scene with Jericho vs Owens headlining the RAW end of Survivor Series?
Triple A
09-25-2016, 10:20 PM
fucking streming sites, you create an account, try to login, it sends to a completely different site
Check https://www.reddit.com/r/wwestreams
https://www.reddit.com/r/WWEstreams/comments/54h763/event_thread_wwe_clash_of_champions_sun_25_5_pm_et/
Reigns has faced the adversity of being good looking, huge, ripped, and being from a famous wrestling family
yeh, sad life
Anyone else think all these Jericho wins will lead to him re-entering the main event scene with Jericho vs Owens headlining the RAW end of Survivor Series?
I think we'll get Jericho vs Rollins vs Owens at HIAC
Nark Order
09-25-2016, 10:21 PM
Rusev is a pretty good worker, Ive just decided.
Check https://www.reddit.com/r/wwestreams
https://www.reddit.com/r/WWEstreams/comments/54h763/event_thread_wwe_clash_of_champions_sun_25_5_pm_et/
i'm good now, cheers
damn
@ triple a
I asked owen on fb to join us on and he said "FUCK TPWW" and he won't come back until 2017 b/c of something Heyman said and he hates Gertner
Rusev is a pretty good worker, Ive just decided.
Rusev is amazing
Droford
09-25-2016, 10:25 PM
Dumb
Emperor Smeat
09-25-2016, 10:25 PM
:lol: ref "do you want to get Rusev disqualified" before kicking Lana out.
Droford
09-25-2016, 10:27 PM
Boo
SlickyTrickyDamon
09-25-2016, 10:27 PM
(throws trash)
Dark One
09-25-2016, 10:27 PM
Rusev/Lana died for our sins.
Triple A
09-25-2016, 10:27 PM
bullshit.......................
Nark Order
09-25-2016, 10:28 PM
Pretty good match, tbh
reigns is in the middle card so soon after being the world champin?
i mean, i didn't know this was for the us championship
SlickyTrickyDamon
09-25-2016, 10:28 PM
Huge Smile for being regulated to mid-card. Fuck you Roman.
Emperor Smeat
09-25-2016, 10:28 PM
RIP 2nd Machka Era. Died a similar death as the 1st era.
Match itself was good overall.
Schlomey
09-25-2016, 10:29 PM
yeah the match ended up being real good...and shocked to see Roman getting MOSTLY positive response there at the end... More proof that Rusev is a great heel.
Nark Order
09-25-2016, 10:29 PM
The supervillain insults his opponents wife and then never gets his comeuppance. The life of a WWE babyface.
damn, owenbrown livid in fb messenger about roman winning...said he quits wwe forever and will not watch sd anymore because it is on the same time as NCIS...will miss his posts
SlickyTrickyDamon
09-25-2016, 10:30 PM
Floman Drains is a Triple Crown chump.
Dewidi
09-25-2016, 10:30 PM
What's happening my network went down and comes up a blank screen when I try to load the pppv
Dark One
09-25-2016, 10:30 PM
damn, owenbrown livid in fb messenger about roman winning...said he quits wwe forever and will not watch sd anymore because it is on the same time as NCIS...will miss his posts
I 100% believe this
The supervillain insults his opponents wife and then never gets his comeuppance. The life of a WWE babyface.
It really is the John Cena method of booking
NO MERCY will be amazing I predict!
damn, owenbrown livid in fb messenger about roman winning...said he quits wwe forever and will not watch sd anymore because it is on the same time as NCIS...will miss his posts
nothing about terrorists in there?
SlickyTrickyDamon
09-25-2016, 10:35 PM
Owen Brown not here? Yay.
Triple A
09-25-2016, 10:36 PM
Kevin Owens's accent seems weird, sounds like an "Arab guy" or something
crowd pop for Seth Rollins
Nark Order
09-25-2016, 10:37 PM
I cant tell if Rollins is face yet. Feels like they want him to be.
They totally do Narc. He's a tweener on the verge of a face turn...he saved Roman from a beatdown at the end of RAW last week...so it's happening
Nark Order
09-25-2016, 10:39 PM
BREAKING: Kevin Owens injured by Seth Rollins, must vacate on RAW.
I still think Rollins is the only believable person on the roster to beat Brock at this point...Brock injured via Seth
Schlomey
09-25-2016, 10:41 PM
Goddamn dat JoJo ass makes me talk like dis.
Dark One
09-25-2016, 10:41 PM
Should be an amazing match if Seth Rollins doesn't kill Kevin Owens by accident.
Nark Order
09-25-2016, 10:41 PM
Kevin Owens's accent seems weird, sounds like an "Arab guy" or something
Worse. French.
Droford
09-25-2016, 10:42 PM
50 straight ppvs seems crazy
what is 50 straight ppvs...
Emperor Smeat
09-25-2016, 10:45 PM
I still think Rollins is the only believable person on the roster to beat Brock at this point...Brock injured via Seth
Bo Dallas could as long as everyone Believes In BO :shifty:
Brock only manhandled him last time because he was regular Bo and not the new and more vicious Bo.
Dark One
09-25-2016, 10:45 PM
Seth must have taken that portal to RVD's house and picked up that DDT sell.
Seth Rollins paying homage to Ember Moon.
Nark Order
09-25-2016, 10:47 PM
Would be funny if Triple H's entire reason for turning on Seth is because he took the pedigree.
Nark Order
09-25-2016, 10:48 PM
Lol, Owens. "Is he ok? I hope he's ok"
what a stupid commentary
ko; is he ok? is he ok? *laughs and elbow drops him*
"kevin owens really cares if rollins is ok"
this did not sound like sarcasm. do wwe commentators even use sarcasm?
DaveWadding
09-25-2016, 10:50 PM
Kevin Owens is the best.
Nark Order
09-25-2016, 10:54 PM
Triple H better get involved before Seth Rollins tears Kevin Ownes ACL or something
hhh won't be seen again until it's time to push more of seth vs hhh for wm33
can't recall a match where a finisher didn't get reversed.
also, finishers for a 2 count. this will surely have at least one.
if people kick out of your finishers change the fucking finisher, bitch.
Droford
09-25-2016, 10:56 PM
what is 50 straight ppvs...
Sign in the crowd, someone has gone to 50 straight ppvs.
Droford
09-25-2016, 10:57 PM
Triple H better get involved before Seth Rollins tears Kevin Ownes ACL or something
He might rupture his stomach csusing ko to lose 100 lbs and bevome the next cruiserweight champion
the crowd is so quiet for this, I donut get it
Droford
09-25-2016, 10:58 PM
Im looking at the clock then realuzed this could go longer
Droford
09-25-2016, 10:59 PM
200 lb Eddie Guerrero does frog splash..wins
300lb KO does frog splash..2 count
Droford
09-25-2016, 11:00 PM
Big boy senton
Nark Order
09-25-2016, 11:01 PM
Lmao suck it
Emperor Smeat
09-25-2016, 11:01 PM
:lol: Owens
Droford
09-25-2016, 11:01 PM
KO for DX 4.0
Schlomey
09-25-2016, 11:02 PM
i wondered when the crowd would start giving a shit....man this is a killer main event.
can't recall a match where a finisher didn't get reversed.
also, finishers for a 2 count. this will surely have at least one.
if people kick out of your finishers change the fucking finisher, bitch.
there we go
Nark Order
09-25-2016, 11:03 PM
What a reliable best friend.
nice 'fuck you jericho' from the crowd
Schlomey
09-25-2016, 11:04 PM
Owens is enjoying the gifts of Jericho this evening :D
Droford
09-25-2016, 11:05 PM
You can stop counting
eh, obvious rollins aint gonna win this one seeing whats happening now
Droford
09-25-2016, 11:06 PM
Tomorrow main even Owens and Jericho vs Zayn Rollins
Droford
09-25-2016, 11:07 PM
Rofl at the ref going to check the ref
Stage SET for Jericho vs Owens vs Rollins
Dark One
09-25-2016, 11:07 PM
That match went perfectly with the 1997 Raw logo shirt KO has now.
Nark Order
09-25-2016, 11:07 PM
Kevin Owens and Chris Jericho being best friends is my favorite thing ever.
Jericho singing "We are the Champions" LMAO
SlickyTrickyDamon
09-25-2016, 11:08 PM
CANADA!
Emperor Smeat
09-25-2016, 11:08 PM
:lol: new ref taking a detour route to the ring.
Good match with too much late shenanigans though. Was expecting Triple H to suddenly show from how it felt near the end.
PPV itself was also pretty good overall.
Nark Order
09-25-2016, 11:10 PM
I will give this PPV rating of "not a waste of pizza."
Droford
09-25-2016, 11:12 PM
Lol cole jbl saxton on ride along
Dark One
09-25-2016, 11:14 PM
Lol cole jbl saxton on ride along
This is going to be amazing.
Dark One
09-25-2016, 11:16 PM
JBL with the line of the century on Ride Along:
Byron: "That's what my dad tells my mom all the time when we're driving."
JBL: "You know what my dad says to my mom?"
Byron: "What?"
JBL: "I DON'T FUCKING KNOW BECAUSE I DON'T LIVE WITH MY PARENTS."
Droford
09-25-2016, 11:18 PM
This is going to be amazing.
Taka DLo and Mark Henry throwing chckjen bones out if their car at JBL and Ron Simmons car in canada lol
Droford
09-25-2016, 11:21 PM
Cole : the water bottkes gonna get stuck up your (byron) ass if you dont speed up
Lol
JBL with the line of the century on Ride Along:
Byron: "That's what my dad tells my mom all the time when we're driving."
JBL: "You know what my dad says to my mom?"
Byron: "What?"
JBL: "I DON'T FUCKING KNOW BECAUSE I DON'T LIVE WITH MY PARENTS."
when was that? daaaaamn, i so wanna hear it
Droford
09-25-2016, 11:24 PM
Lol they left byron in a rest area in delaware
Dark One
09-25-2016, 11:24 PM
If this ride along isn't 100% Kayfabe, there is no wonder that JBL and Cole buried Byron at every possible opportunity. He is quite possibly the worst human being in existence.
Dark One
09-25-2016, 11:24 PM
Hahahahahaha. Holy shit, they left Byron at a btahroom.
Emperor Smeat
09-25-2016, 11:25 PM
http://66.media.tumblr.com/e054db074b53bb2bced6edded6ebdaca/tumblr_oe3d1zaekM1u1ljrzo1_500.gif
Dark One
09-25-2016, 11:26 PM
This is the best thing of all time.
Dark One
09-25-2016, 11:26 PM
Byron calls them after 45 minutes, and JBL's response is: "Wait, Byron--you're not in the car with us right now?"
Cole: "We feel really sorry about this. We thought you were in the car."
Droford
09-25-2016, 11:27 PM
Lol thatvwas hillarious
Dark One
09-25-2016, 11:27 PM
Hahahahaha. He's trying to find a bus.
Greatest show in Network history.
Lock Jaw
09-25-2016, 11:28 PM
Pretty enjoyable ppv..... think only "meh" match was the tag match..... everything else good matches......
Think I may give match of the night to the women....
so this is still going on?
SlickyTrickyDamon
09-25-2016, 11:28 PM
Byron :D
stop fucking saying byron and tell me what show is that, ppv is over
Dark One
09-25-2016, 11:30 PM
Pretty enjoyable ppv..... think only "meh" match was the tag match..... everything else good matches......
Think I may give match of the night to the women....
Wrong.
Match of the Night goes to JBL / Cole vs Byron Saxton. Spot of the Night goes to them leaving Byron at a rest stop.
Dark One
09-25-2016, 11:30 PM
stop fucking saying byron and tell me what show is that, ppv is over
WWE Ride Along on the Network.
Dark One
09-25-2016, 11:33 PM
awwww
Other important notes:
Byron to JBL: "We're like the new age APA!"
Byron Saxton revealed he has/had a crush on Blanche from the Golden Girls.
Dark One
09-25-2016, 11:34 PM
Cole to Byron: "You know how bad your wrestling career must have been? I had a match at Wrestlemania."
Dark One
09-25-2016, 11:35 PM
Byron Saxton has named his stomach "Tammy the Tummy."
Dark One
09-25-2016, 11:38 PM
Any time in the future that I have a bad day?
I'm going to watch that episode of Ride Along and realize that at least I'm not Byron Saxton.
Tom Guycott
09-25-2016, 11:40 PM
Cole to Byron: "You know how bad your wrestling career must have been? I had a match at Wrestlemania."
Ouch.
Saxton did suck, though.
And not in a "he's memorably terrible" way. More of a wholly unremarkable way.
If he *just* had a match, he could've come back out in a striped shirt and ref the very next match, and nobody would have even noticed brand of terrible.
this show sounds awesome. but i find one on dailymotion, with some black guys and it wasn't really great.
Emperor Smeat
09-25-2016, 11:47 PM
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Congrats to <a href="https://twitter.com/MegaTJP">@MegaTJP</a> for the win at <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/WWEClash?src=hash">#WWEClash</a> and we love the new entrance! Fight on champ, for everlasting peace!</p>— Mega Man (@MegaMan) <a href="https://twitter.com/MegaMan/status/780214155240312832">September 26, 2016</a></blockquote>
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Dark One
09-25-2016, 11:48 PM
this show sounds awesome. but i find one on dailymotion, with some black guys and it wasn't really great.
Yeah, a lot of them have a couple of good moments, but aren't really "great."
Give this one a few days, I'm sure the important parts will show up. I'll send you a link if I see it pop up on reddit.
Lock Jaw
09-25-2016, 11:49 PM
I have never watched ride along..... changed the channel after the ppv..... will see about that episode maybe....
Yeah, a lot of them have a couple of good moments, but aren't really "great."
Give this one a few days, I'm sure the important parts will show up. I'll send you a link if I see it pop up on reddit.
i'd apprecate that
Dark One
09-26-2016, 12:15 AM
Here you go Sixx
<blockquote class="twitter-video" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">"It's called <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/WWERideAlong?src=hash">#WWERideAlong</a>, not 'Leave Byron!'" - <a href="https://twitter.com/ByronSaxton">@ByronSaxton</a> to <a href="https://twitter.com/MichaelCole">@MichaelCole</a> and <a href="https://twitter.com/JCLayfield">@JCLayfield</a> <a href="https://t.co/2RPs1pyHTp">pic.twitter.com/2RPs1pyHTp</a></p>— WWE Network (@WWENetwork) <a href="https://twitter.com/WWENetwork/status/780248084190081024">September 26, 2016</a></blockquote>
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Here you go Sixx
<blockquote class="twitter-video" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">"It's called <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/WWERideAlong?src=hash">#WWERideAlong</a>, not 'Leave Byron!'" - <a href="https://twitter.com/ByronSaxton">@ByronSaxton</a> to <a href="https://twitter.com/MichaelCole">@MichaelCole</a> and <a href="https://twitter.com/JCLayfield">@JCLayfield</a> <a href="https://t.co/2RPs1pyHTp">pic.twitter.com/2RPs1pyHTp</a></p>— WWE Network (@WWENetwork) <a href="https://twitter.com/WWENetwork/status/780248084190081024">September 26, 2016</a></blockquote>
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love you
is there also the part about not living with parents?
Dark One
09-26-2016, 12:22 AM
Not yet, unfortunately
Dark One
09-26-2016, 12:29 AM
Left the show on for the replay, and I just saw the Cesaro spot again.
I don't think his eyes being flared and freaked out were due to a concussion, I think that was him going "Holy shit. I didn't just die. Right? I'm alive? Okay. Still alive. Yeah."
DAMN iNATOR
09-26-2016, 03:22 AM
so new day holds till mania
No, today (Sept. 26th) is day 400, December 14th would be day 479, so they might drop the belts by sometime near the end of 2016...:-\
Fignuts
09-26-2016, 06:04 AM
People dissing the Sheamus vs Cesaro match are out of their fucking minds. That match was tits. Whole series is underappreciated, imo.
Fignuts
09-26-2016, 06:04 AM
Go watch Riccochet and Will Osprey audition for cirque du soleil some more.
Fignuts
09-26-2016, 06:05 AM
gaylords
Go watch Riccochet and Will Osprey audition for cirque du soleil some more.
the fact you know who and what those are is way gayer, brah.
Fignuts
09-26-2016, 06:25 AM
Go shove a pierogi up your butt, you fuckin' mook.
pierogi is plural, there's no a you white trash inbred (i don't even know where you're from)
Mr. Nerfect
09-26-2016, 07:35 AM
Here are my thoughts, even though my analysis is apparently over-the-top these days:
* Overall, I agree with every decision on this show from a booking standpoint. Weird, I know. If I were predicting in Tipsters this year, I'd actually have gotten a very high score for this show, with me only being off on the outcome of Cesaro/Sheamus and the technicality of who gets pinned and by what method in the tag match, etc. The particulars, if you well.
* The New Day going over Luke Gallows & Karl Anderson makes sense because, ahem, Luke Gallows has actually been kind of shit since he's arrived in WWE. He's got this cool charm about him when he's hanging around, but in the ring he often looks clueless. I love that roundhouse kick he does, and the Chokeslam was sick, but he's quite limited. The Good Brothers, and to a degree, AJ Styels, were brought in as opponents, I feel. AJ Styles has completely exceeded the expectations of Vince McMahon, while Gallows & Anderson probably haven't. The New Day are approaching Day 400, have a fucking cereal out, and it's sad that this matters as a particular, but are probably the only over credible black act in the company. Apollo Crews hasn't connected in the personality department, R-Truth is comedy filler, Darren Young vs. Titus O'Neil fucking bombed, etc.
* Gallows & Anderson will be fine, by the way. Their best use is as scary back-up for a top heel. They don't need the belts to do that.
* I wish TJ Perkins kept his CWC theme, but the video game thing, while hokey, is at least some sort of motif. I liked the match with Kendrick. I thought Perkins kicking out of Sliced Bread #2 was a cool deal, because no one ever really kicks out of that (I didn't watch the whole CWC thing, so I apologize and reverse myself if it has), and it was sort of a "look how tough this kid is" stamp, because they never fucking do it. A bit of miscommunication, but that's life. I liked the flow of Kendrick looking for the Captain's Hook, and Perkins got the win, as he should have, and got the use the Kneebar, which hopefully gets over.
* Michael Cole was awesome on commentary for this match. He really tried to amp up the sports element of his presentation. That Cole knows how to do it somehow makes him more contemptible. My favorite part of this package was actually Kendrick headbutting Perkins after. The crowd actually booed on cue too. Kendrick being a sore loser has put him down a path of darkness and actually tells a story. He's not one and done. Perkins doesn't even look particularly stupid, which is rare for a deer-in-the-headlights babyface. A good piece of business using that extra-short interviewer too.
* Cesaro vs. Sheamus was probably my match of the night. Cesaro is fucking killing himself trying to get over. After that spot, they recovered extremely well. Holy shit, that's organic pro-wrestling. Cesaro is, for my money, the best in-ring guy they have. His facial expressions during a match are awesome. He doesn't always do shock at a kick-out -- sometimes he looks like a killer on the prowl. He usually does the neck-crank taunt, but the way he worked it into this match after the dive was awesome. I haven't read the views of others, but if people are criticizing this, I have to disagree. Best match on the show.
* I'm not entirely down on the booking. At first my gut was "this is fucking stupid," but then I thought "at least I am going to remember this." After going 50/50, the damage has already been done. This won't be their last match. No one was really tuning in for the climax to that rivalry. I wouldn't have done it that way, but it doesn't revolt me. The "let them fight" chants implied more interest from the crowd than there was heading into this match, you know? It almost felt like they were building up to Hell in a Cell, but I'm sure that won't be the case.
* Sheamus vs. Cesaro might have been the match of the night, but Chris Jericho was the VIP of the entire evening. That man is just on a whole other level. He's over on such a different plain to everyone else. The crowd loves him, but they boo him even though they love him. The guy is a maestro. Sami Zayn showed up and did his usual routine too. The outcome is simply that old-school "heel wins the first match" mentality of booking. I doubt their issues are over. By the way, Jericho's face after winning this match did more to put over Sami Zayn than anything he did in the match.
* I liked the line Kevin Owens had telling Mick Foley to not interrupt him. Such a smarmy prick. Mick Foley's line of "I like that chip on his shoulder -- all the greats..." also did more to put Kevin Owens over than anything Kevin Owens said in that segment.
This is where the show dropped off for me:
* It felt like the crowd was being polite to the women's match. It felt too...choreographed? I really loved the Triple Threat at WrestleMania, but this felt like a bunch of Triple Threat conventions splashed onto the screen. How many times are we going to see Sasha Banks catch the third girl in the headscissors to position her for the double-double-knee thingy? How many times are we going to see the two girls that supposedly like each other face-off and then the heel pulls one good girl out? How many times are we going to see the three girls fighting each other on their hands and knees. I don't know if I've even seen that particular last spot before, but I feel like I have.
* I'm glad Charlotte retained. She is the one hitting her character out of the park right now and she just got back the belt. Sasha Banks should never smile. She looks way too...human when she does it. She loses "The Boss" with that smile. I haven't heard much of Bayley on the main roster, but in the hype video, backstage segment and during the match itself, I've heard "I belong here" way too many times already. People in Orlando and Brooklyn won't turn against her, but I can see a Chicago or Philly shitting all over the "I'm such a plucky underdog" thing a lot more than I could have prior to her call-up.
* Holy fuck did that crowd not give one fuck about Roman Reigns. Wow. Not even "We want Lana" chants that I could detect. Even those corner clotheslines were only counted along to very quietly. The thing is, this was actually a pretty good match from an in-ring standpoint. I've actually noticed that a lot of Rusev's matches don't involve him kicking out of eight finishing moves. I like that about the guy. Reigns is also particularly good at setting up his routine spots in really inventive ways. But holy fuck have they fucking ruined him. This wasn't "polarizing," this was a heat vacuum. I don't want to say you could hear a pin drop, but if Lana were to slip Rusev a pin during the match, you'd hear it slide across the canvas. If Roman Reigns was Vince's vision, I hope he is happy with himself. I am now actually behind Reigns just because I feel so sorry for him.
* By the way, my only real knowledge of this feud is the SummerSlam recap and the hype video. Roman Reigns came off like a fucking dick in it. It starts with him blatantly ruining Rusev's wedding segment with Lana to crack shit jokes about their sex life. Seriously, who does that? He also can't act that routine out. He looked awkward as hell. The way they've presented Reigns, you actually hate him when he isn't completely annoying at something, because you want to hate him for being annoying. The dude NEEDS to turn heel on RAW.
* Michael Cole: "Roman Reigns has always faced adversity" (paraphrased). No, Michael Cole -- Roman Reigns is a third generation star who was handed a meaty contract and picked out to be the golden boy when his football career didn't take off. If that's not the entire truth, that's at least the perceived truth, and that's what counts. Let the guy be the heat magnet he is supposed to be, for fuck's sake.
* Pet peeve: Seth Rollins vs. Kevin Owens mainly seems to be about Triple H's love. How anyone is supposed to look good in that is beyond me. A bunch of boys fighting for daddy's sweet affection. Ugh. Rollins also didn't really turn face -- he just got out-heeled. It's hard to feel sorry for him. You even see him acting like a heel in this match's hype video. It's pretty awks.
* I'm going to try and not rant on Owens, but I've really come to the conclusion I'm not high on the guy. My feelings are very similar to Cool King's, except I think he's a better talker, but his verbiage during the chinlock? "You'll fade to Black. Get it?!?" Who is he trying to pop? What's the psychology there? He's trying to be ha-ha funny while he's working with a guy who is struggling to get over as a babyface. There's a difference between trash-talk and actually having these rehearsed lines that you whip out because you're having a walk in the park with a guy.
* The match itself was the same "spot that never wins a match, kick out, grab my face in shock" routine that the WWE style has become. Everyone is trying to do HBK/Taker, but no one is HBK or Taker. I honestly fail to see how there is any drama in any of those spots. One guy kick-outs, the other guy hits a move, the other guy kicks out. Okay. Are people actually at home spitting out their drinks? I don't get it. The leg was worked just so that there could be one spot later in the match where the leg gives out. That's WWE style psychology these days. Everything is so...functional. Tension isn't built by telling a story, it's by doing a call-back to a "line of dialogue" earlier. You only sell a leg injury so you can't get a pin after a Frog Splash later in the match because "remember the leg injury!".
* The ending sequence was actually pretty sweet though. I don't like Rollins using the Pedigree (it doesn't even really suit him), but I like his inventive ways of hitting it out of nowhere. A telling sign of just how disinterested the crowd really was in this though, is when they start the count on the phantom pin. They keep counting after Rollins had broken the pin. They were doing it to keep themselves awake, folks.
* Chris Jericho showing up was amazing. The crowd immediately gets invested, and he makes Rollins look better than he has looked the entire match. "My best friend! This is my best friend!" "We are the champions of the world!"
Match of the Night: Cesaro vs. Sheamus
Performer of the Night: Chris Jericho
Overall Thoughts: I honestly thought that the matches would deliver more than they did. Not everybody can have a barn-burner every night of the week, but the card looked really fucking good. My thoughts heading in were "RAW has shittier television but better PPVs; SmackDown has better television, but more banal PPVs." Well, Backlash blew this out of the water and their television has been better, and a lot of that has been built around Heath Slater.
Innovator
09-26-2016, 09:33 AM
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Big Vic
09-26-2016, 09:57 AM
With Football and the Debate tonight I wonder if tonights raw will be the lowest rated.
Innovator
09-26-2016, 10:14 AM
Next wrestler who dabs I want to eat a Shibata headbutt
F4Wonline is reporting Seth Rollins got injured last night, possibly his ribs.
:|
#BROKEN Hasney
09-26-2016, 01:01 PM
Fucking love TJP's new music. Wasn't expecting 16-bit fake chiptunes in WWE anytime soon.
#BROKEN Hasney
09-26-2016, 01:47 PM
F4Wonline is reporting Seth Rollins got injured last night, possibly his ribs.
:|
Watching it now. If it's true, that gutbuster from the ropes did it.
EDIT: Also, still doing the frogsplash after that., Jesus.
Innovator
09-26-2016, 02:44 PM
First thing Sheamus does after Cesaro lands on his head is put his hand under Cesaro's head for the ref to check him.
Jordan
09-26-2016, 03:02 PM
First thing Sheamus does after Cesaro lands on his head is put his hand under Cesaro's head for the ref to check him.
Yeah that was sweet.
Destor
09-26-2016, 03:14 PM
Go watch Riccochet and Will Osprey audition for cirque du soleil some more.
Loathed that match
Innovator
09-26-2016, 03:34 PM
Flip flip and pose
Flip flip and pose
comatose
Anybody Thrilla
09-26-2016, 04:51 PM
Pretty disappointed to find Ride Along spoilers in this thread. Assholes.
Anybody Thrilla
09-26-2016, 04:56 PM
Good show, though. Clash of Champions, that is.
Mr. Nerfect
09-26-2016, 06:05 PM
Loathed that match
Flip flip and pose
Holy shit, I couldn't get through it. I saw the stereo spot where they both landed and posed in the middle of the ring and thought "Well, I'm done."
Cool King
09-26-2016, 07:00 PM
• Match of the night for me was Sheamus/Cesaro but the way it finished was just so bad. Also, what was the point of the security guard going down with them and then just lying there like he had just been shot? He wasn't even mentioned by Cole & Co. and nobody went to check up on him, so it just made things look a bit silly.
The only thing I can think of for what happens next, is that Foley gives both men a shot at the United States Championship, so at Hell in a Cell we have a Triple Threat match. If that or something like that happens though, it'll be a bit on the annoying side as it'll mean the the last seven matches between Sheamus and Cesaro was completely pointless.
• What on earth was TJ Perkins' theme and what does it have to do with his character? A theme that distinctive has to be relatable to his character. Is he a video game character? Is he a video game addict? Does he think he's in a copy of WWF No Mercy when he wrestles? If none of those, then why does he have chiptune as his entrance theme?
I'm assuming that with his theme, his attire being in the style of those silly jodhpurs that I've seen people wearing recently and the fact he does that stupid pose that I've seen in "popular & internet culture", that his character is just a guy who's "really cool". And when is say "really cool", I mean "internet cool".
Last night was the first time I saw him in action and he really strikes me as being "Evan Bourne 2K16". The match was alright though but I can't help but feel a bit disappointed with the Cruiserweight Division so far but it is early days.
Also, what's with all the purple? It's getting to reach "Sin Cara Mood Lighting" heights of annoying now.
• In a weird way, I'm happy that Rusev lost the title. Rusev has been nothing but gold these past few months and I feel that with him no longer champion, that he can go on to better things, like being the Universal Champion. I'm still standing by my claim that Rusev will have won the Universal Championship by SummerSlam 2017.
Now that Reigns is US Champion, I'm curious to see what kind of champion he'll be. A part of me is hoping he'll do what Cena did when he was US Champion. I actually liked Cena during his US Title run. I think the US Championship will be good for Reigns and his relationship with the fans. Staying around the mid-card scene and being an upper-midcarder will probably help the fans cool off from hating him as much as they do. He'll always have his critics but I think some time with the US Championship will help him.
• Overall, the event was good, but with the fact that Raw is three hours long and so are Raw Branded PPVs, and add in that the stage is the exact same as Raw's, I don't get the feeling that I'm watching a PPV. Clash of Champions just felt like I was watching Raw but with less promos.
SmackDown Branded PPVs are kind of the same but what makes their PPVs feel like PPVs is that they're three hours long, whereas SmackDown is only two hours long, so it still has a little of that PPV feel to it. It also helps that SmackDown is genuinely enjoyable to watch.
Mr. Nerfect
09-26-2016, 07:08 PM
You're thinking too much Cool King. Just enjoy how "internet cool" the movez are. :roll:
No, I completely agree with you. Especially on the US Title. I feel that Rusev can move up now. I'm not entirely sure he will, but he's free to. He was getting nothing out of still holding that belt.
I've changed my mind on the ending to the Best of 7. It did a lot of detriment to the live crowd. I'm curious to see just what the plan is. An idea I heard floated was that they might put Sheamus and Cesaro together as a tag team -- which I don't particularly like, given that I think they've got enough teams; their problem is story -- but whatever.
Mr. Nerfect
09-26-2016, 07:14 PM
With Football and the Debate tonight I wonder if tonights raw will be the lowest rated.
I'm going to make the prediction that it is. Throw in the lack of urgency around the product. The football and debate will provide a convenient excuse for WWE when the rating comes back.
Fignuts
09-27-2016, 12:39 AM
I've changed my mind on the ending to the Best of 7. It did a lot of detriment to the live crowd. I'm curious to see just what the plan is. An idea I heard floated was that they might put Sheamus and Cesaro together as a tag team -- which I don't particularly like, given that I think they've got enough teams; their problem is story -- but whatever.
I watch a lot of older stuff that ends in no contest, and honestly, it would have fit in perfectly in that era, because they built to it tremendously, with the brutality steadily increasing, and both men getting more and more desperate.
But a no contest just doesn't work in this day and age, no matter how well it is executed.
Mr. Nerfect
09-27-2016, 05:20 AM
I think you're right there. And hearing the crowd react to them on RAW makes me think that this whole "forced team" thing is already dead in the water.
Destor
09-27-2016, 12:20 PM
Holy shit, I couldn't get through it. I saw the stereo spot where they both landed and posed in the middle of the ring and thought "Well, I'm done."Yeah, there are people who get off on that stuff but it kills the drama for me. Neither guy is actively trying to win.
Mr. Nerfect
09-28-2016, 01:29 AM
I'm with you on that.
Mr. Nerfect
09-28-2016, 01:38 AM
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A fairly long listen, but what Lance Storm says about Clash of Champions PERFECTLY sums up my feelings on it. How are guys really supposed to be excellent and stand out if they are doing the exact same things? If everyone is "good," how can anyone truly be great? No one transcends because everybody is on equal footing and brings the same philosophy to all their matches.
I was watching Clash and thought to myself "This is the same sort of stuff" several times throughout. Sasha and Sami used the same comeback at one point. I think they may have even been cut-off at the same point too. There were gourdbusters off the second rope twice during the show, everybody did a dive, there was ringside brawling for every match, and almost everyone kicked out of someone else's finisher. How can this possibly be suspenseful to people? I feel like Storm articulates what a large part of my problem with WWE has been lately.
That's one thing I really like about Rusev. The stuff with Reigns was more like an Attitude era main event, and it was a bit overbooked, but I'll remember Lana pulling out the referee for much longer than I will the particulars of just about everything else on the card, other than that Cesaro dive. And I've noticed that -- in what I've watched of him anyway -- that Rusev doesn't kick out of other guys' stuff. It took one AA to beat him at WrestleMania, and he didn't actually kick out of the Spear at the Clash. I don't know if that's his doing or what have you, but more and more I'm noticed that this guys does A LOT more with a lot less.
#BROKEN Hasney
09-28-2016, 05:04 AM
I'll listen to that later. Lance Storm is a fan of Broken Matt, so he has good taste right now.
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