Sasha and Charlotte are making the type of history we'll all look back on and say whoa

[RP]

I need more matches from them. I dont want either one of these girls to get hurt, but watching both of them nearly kill themselves to sell out for the womens division is inspiring. I'm still stunned that as little as Sasha is, she ran over and somewhat caught Charlotte from killing herself on a corkscrew lol. These two chicks are not playing. They are showing up the men's roster right now. Every match they have is coming off fresh as fuck.

Whats the next step...

Let's break the stigma that two woman cant headline a Hell in the Cell. It's time. If ever there were two. These are the two. I'm not advocating having Charlotte or Sasha spot jumping from the top of the Cell, though i dont put it past either to do so. I'm just saying. Lets continue breaking barriers here. I am highly entertained. I want to see everything these woman do. And last night's main event was fantastic just like i thought it would be.

[RP]

Also, when Sasha first broke in to the main roster, I had no clue she would be this balls out tough. I havent watched any NXT.

I'm actually going to Wal-mart now and picking up the NXT dvd. And i got the WWE network, partly because i'm hoping there is a decent history of NXT shows.

[Fignuts]

Should go back and watch some of the nxt takeover stuff.

Both Sasha vs Bayley matches
Charlotte vs Natalya
Sasha vs Becky

Sasha vs Becky, from a purely technical standpoint, is the best womens match in the company's history imo. It just doesn't get the same amount of love as the others because it didn't have a very good build up or story going in, so it didn't have as much emotion as the others.

[Ruien]

Does everyone just ignore the amount of botches they have per match?

[RP]

Fignuts, I havent been this engaged in wrestling in years. From the start of 2016 i've been locked in and these two woman are changing my mind about woman wrestling right now. Am I the only one here? Am i wrong?

[RP]

Does everyone just ignore the amount of botches they have per match?

No i dont ignore it Ruien. But i take into account the fact that they are even trying some of the shit they are trying right now. I've never seen it before from any womens division. And then the fact that they may fuck up, but still go on. Like Sasha at Wrestlemania... I thought she was crippled lol. But she was tough as balls and finished the match and did more spots lol. It's amazing. I love it.

[Fignuts]

Nah dude, lots of appreciation on here for the women.

Also, as great as the women are doing here, they still don't hold a candle to late 80's-late 90's women's wrestling in Japan. If you don't mind watching japanese stuff, go check some of that shit out on youtube, but I get that not everyone can get into it.

[Fignuts]

No i dont ignore it Ruien. But i take into account the fact that they are even trying some of the shit they are trying right now. I've never seen it before from any womens division. And then the fact that they may fuck up, but still go on. Like Sasha at Wrestlemania... I thought she was crippled lol. But she was tough as balls and finished the match and did more spots lol. It's amazing. I love it.

Mad respect to her, but I feel like she is going to be paralyzed within a few years if she keeps going this hard. I mean fuck, I don't even recall Bryan taking this many risks. It's scary.

[RP]

Mad respect to her, but I feel like she is going to be paralyzed within a few years if she keeps going this hard. I mean fuck, I don't even recall Bryan taking this many risks. It's scary.

Ya i agree, but i hate to say this.. I dont want her to stop.

[RP]

Sasha is beyond Jeff Hardy nuts and toeing the line of Mankind vs Undertaker HITC nuts. Like sure, Jeff Hardy can jump 30 feet crashing down and give his body up. Cool. But Sasha getting dropped on her neck a couple times and then saying fuck it lets do more is pretty fucking nuts. She really could have been hurt catching Charlotte on RAW last night. And Charlotte could have been hurt not getting caught. And yet Sasha show more sack then any dude on the fucking roster and stepped in and caught her.

In fact. The person who looks the worst right now is The Miz, because of that R-Truth incident. Dude could take some lessons from Sasha Banks right now.

[Fignuts]

Jeff Hardy had all those tables to break those falls too. Sasha consistently greets the hard floor by folding her spine on it

[RP]

LOL i know. Its sick. I guess my overall point is these chicks are just selling out there bodies to put the womans division on the map and its amazing.

[Fignuts]

I think Naomi is insanely underrated as well. Feel like if they actually gave her more than 2 minutes in the ring, she could have great matches with becky, natalya, etc.

She's got natural charisma, super athletic, and has really upped her in -ring work in the last couple years. Lots of fun moves and counters from her.

Also, dat entrance

[RP]

Should go back and watch some of the nxt takeover stuff.

Both Sasha vs Bayley matches
Charlotte vs Natalya
Sasha vs Becky

Sasha vs Becky, from a purely technical standpoint, is the best womens match in the company's history imo. It just doesn't get the same amount of love as the others because it didn't have a very good build up or story going in, so it didn't have as much emotion as the others.

I just recently got WWE Network. I'm watching NXT for as far as it goes back which appears to be November 4, 2015 ( unless i'm doing something wrong which i hope i am cause i wish it went further back ). First match is Asuka vs a somewhat talented black chick ( have not caught her name ). This Asuka chick looks amazing though.

[RP]

I think Naomi is insanely underrated as well. Feel like if they actually gave her more than 2 minutes in the ring, she could have great matches with becky, natalya, etc.

She's got natural charisma, super athletic, and has really upped her in -ring work in the last couple years. Lots of fun moves and counters from her.

Also, dat entrance

I love Naomi's entrance. I totally agree. I really think the woman need there own show at this point.

[RP]

Black chicks name is cameron?

[RP]

Asuka kinda hot too

[Fignuts]

I just recently got WWE Network. I'm watching NXT for as far as it goes back which appears to be November 4, 2015 ( unless i'm doing something wrong which i hope i am cause i wish it went further back ). First match is Asuka vs a somewhat talented black chick ( have not caught her name ). This Asuka chick looks amazing though.

Right above the videos is a button to select year. You can go back back to February 6th 2014. Kinda sucks that they don't have more, as it's missing Seth Rollins' run, tne Cesaro Zayn 2/3 falls match, tne Regal vs Ohno feud. All the big Takeover events are still there tho, starting with NXT arrival.

Now that I think of it, I'd bet money they took all the early stuff off the network, just to boost sales of the nxt dvd.

[Fignuts]

Black chicks name is cameron?

She got released a while back. Not a loss at all. She was on a season of nxt when it was the new tough enough show and she was pinning someone who was lying on their stomach, yelling at the ref to make the count. Never got much better.

[RP]

Right above the videos is a button to select year. You can go back back to February 6th 2014. Kinda sucks that they don't have more, as it's missing Seth Rollins' run, tne Cesaro Zayn 2/3 falls match, tne Regal vs Ohno feud. All the big Takeover events are still there tho, starting with NXT arrival.

Now that I think of it, I'd bet money they took all the early stuff off the network, just to boost sales of the nxt dvd.

Holy fuck bro thanks. I hope its like that with everything on this network cause i was getting dissapointed for a minute.

[Fignuts]

lol yeah it is.

Don't worry, they have every ppv ever from wwe, wcw, and ecw. Plus if you go to Shows-The Vault, they have stuff from AWA, WCCW, and full episodes of Nitro, ECW and old WWF programs like Primetime Wrestling with Bobby Heenan and Gorilla Monsoon.

When this shit first came out, I couldn't fucking believe the amount of content available. That's why I really hope WWE ends up buyingTNA. Booking and storylines may have been garbage, but there are hundreds of great tna matches that I would love to have on the network.

[Fignuts]

Probably haven't seen her yet, but Ember Moon debuted recently and has probably tje sickest finisher in the company, male or female.

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[RP]

lol yeah it is.

Don't worry, they have every ppv ever from wwe, wcw, and ecw. Plus if you go to Shows-The Vault, they have stuff from AWA, WCCW, and full episodes of Nitro, ECW and old WWF programs like Primetime Wrestling with Bobby Heenan and Gorilla Monsoon.

When this shit first came out, I couldn't fucking believe the amount of content available. That's why I really hope WWE ends up buyingTNA. Booking and storylines may have been garbage, but there are hundreds of great tna matches that I would love to have on the network.


Ok, but do they have the very first 3 Survivor Series PPV's?

[Fignuts]

Every single ppv dating back to Wrestlemania 1. WCW goes even further back, to the first Starrcade in 1983.

[Fignuts]

When I say they have every single ppv on there, I don't mean they have select shows from each type of ppv. I mean they literally have every single ppv ever from the big 3.

[Arrogance]

Asuka and Ember Moon will tear it up when they come up. I have a feeling they'll both be big, especially Ember.

[Simple Fan]

I'm not real big on the women wrestling and I don't like that they have give the title to Sasha on Raw twice. Sucky Raw that was main evented by a women's match. Seriously there were only 3 real matches the whole night and two were silly purple cruiserweight matches. Good for them getting to main event a Raw though I guess. Just don't see the reasoning in having Sasha win on TV again. Now Charlotte will win it back and this feud will continue until Wrestlemania because no other woman on Raw van touch either of Charlotte or Sasha. Bayley has been horrible in my opinion and her and Dana are about on the same level. Now Jax could be something if they would let her but that's another problem I have with Raw is the over abundance of squash matches.

[Lock Jaw]

On the network, I don't know if they still have it, but they used to have "collections"..... and they had a "four horsewomen" collection...... you should check that one out.....

[Mr. Nerfect]

I'm losing my boner for women's wrestling. Not a sexual boner -- I mean a mental one. *cough*

Very few of the girls can actually work. You see it when they are deers in the headlights if a spot gets blown. In NXT, they appeared less, were booked better and had time to put their matches together. On RAW and SmackDown it's just the same muddle. I also think it burst my bubble when I saw people commenting on how "good" Alexa Bliss is. She's hot and can act like a bitch. In the ring, she forgets to fall down on time and can't walk and talk at the same time because she to think about how she's walking. And hey, that's not her fault -- she's still very green -- but this idea of a "Women's Revolution" is no different from when they had the Women's Title/Divas Title split. How is Charlotte/Sasha that much different from Victoria/Molly Holly from just over a decade ago?

The characters have been flat as fuck since arriving on the main roster, although I do like Becky, Charlotte and Emmalina. Everyone else turns face or heel on a moment's notice and is all-smiles as a babyface or pouty as a heel.

I'm glad that the women are getting time, don't get me wrong, but this "Revolution" is tokenism. The division is still about hot girls flopping around (see: Bliss, Alexa; Carmella) and the booking is still awful.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Am I the only one who thinks Naomi is horrendous? She's athletic, but absolutely nothing else about her remotely indicates that she's put any of it together.

[DAMN iNATOR]

Am I the only one who thinks Naomi is horrendous? She's athletic, but absolutely nothing else about her remotely indicates that she's put any of it together.

No, you're not, and I really don't get the love for her entrance, either. It's the same old terrible theme just slowed way the fuck down (which, IMHO makes it 1000× more awful), and they've got her dressing in attire that makes her look like a glow stick.

I'm not hating on her athletic ability; she can obviously go, but her gimmick right now is not doing her any favors if you ask me.

[Lock Jaw]

Noid and DAMN iNATOR ain't feeling the glow. :nono:

[Ruien]

Women wrestling is as boring as ever. Internet fans think it's cool since it started in NXT though.

[Emperor Smeat]

Even though Sasha vs Charlotte has been the WWE's biggest women's feud in a while, still don't think its at the point where the Cell is needed storywise. Too bad TLC is a Smackdown ppv since that type of match would fit a lot better for the feud at the moment.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Noid and DAMN iNATOR ain't feeling the glow. :nono:

I just think of her as clunky. Maybe it's my fault, because she hasn't REALLY been given much of a chance. I fucking hate those kicks she does though.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Even though Sasha vs Charlotte has been the WWE's biggest women's feud in a while, still don't think its at the point where the Cell is needed storywise. Too bad TLC is a Smackdown ppv since that type of match would fit a lot better for the feud at the moment.

I have wanted to see a Ladder Match for the right two women for a long time, but I worry that Sasha would kill herself in one.

[DAMN iNATOR]

I just think of her as clunky. Maybe it's my fault, because she hasn't REALLY been given much of a chance. I fucking hate those kicks she does though.

She calls it the Rear View!

Seriously, how am I supposed to believe a woman can hit her opponent so hard with her ass that it essentially knocks them out for 3 seconds? It's more ridiculous than that open handed slap Mark Jindrak used to use for a finisher.

[Anybody Thrilla]

Not sure what some of you are talking about, but I agree with RP. Charlotte and Sasha on Monday was a fucking banger of a match. I watched it with a girl who is just a casual fan, and she was marking the fuck out. Legends in the making. Especially Charlotte.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Not sure what some of you are talking about, but I agree with RP. Charlotte and Sasha on Monday was a fucking banger of a match. I watched it with a girl who is just a casual fan, and she was marking the fuck out. Legends in the making. Especially Charlotte.

Naomi uses her ass as a finishing move.

[Frank Drebin]

The match was fn great. I have no idea where the sudden bitching is coming from. Also, lol at noid for listing Emmalina as someone he likes - a character that hasn't even debuted.

[Frank Drebin]

"Where are all the new stars?? WWE sucks."

"Why are they pushing these noobs?? WWE sucks."

"50/50 booking sucks. I liked it back in the day where someone would go on a winning streak and look unstoppable. WWE sucks."

"What's with these squash matches?? WWE sucks."

[Fignuts]

Naomi uses her ass as a finishing move.

Have yoy SEEN her ass?

But nah, that leg ddt thing should be her finisher. Cool move.

[Simple Fan]

Women wrestling is as boring as ever. Internet fans think it's cool since it started in NXT though.

This is true for a lot of stuff that comes out of NXT.

[Frank Drebin]

Just don't see the reasoning in having Sasha win on TV again. Now Charlotte will win it back and this feud will continue until Wrestlemania because no other woman on Raw van touch either of Charlotte or Sasha. Now Jax could be something if they would let her but that's another problem I have with Raw is the over abundance of squash matches.

Sasha was always supposed to have the title. They took it off her because she was going to be out for a month and didn't know if the injury was going to require her to miss more time. They're basically picking up where they left off and we got a sweet match on Raw to get us there.


The characters have been flat as fuck since arriving on the main roster, although I do like Becky, Charlotte and Emmalina. Everyone else turns face or heel on a moment's notice and is all-smiles as a babyface or pouty as a heel.

I'm glad that the women are getting time, don't get me wrong, but this "Revolution" is tokenism. The division is still about hot girls flopping around (see: Bliss, Alexa; Carmella) and the booking is still awful.

Yup. Not 100% of the call ups are going to make the transition. Same as the men.

How is main eventing a Raw (yeah, it's not a ppv, but you have to start somewhere) and having a hell of a match to boot tokenism? They had a real match. Not bra and panties. No Lawler ogling. It was treated as a big deal. Where they go from here is anyone's guess but that's two steps forward.

[XL]

There's a rumour Sasha/Charlotte headlines Hell In A Cell. Guess we assume the Universal Championship isn't on the line.

[Fignuts]

I could see a hiac womens title match main eventing if the UC title match is just a regular match.

Plus, in my opinion, charlotte and sashahas been a better, hotter feud than owens vs rollins.

[Ruien]

Less of a risk having then headline a ppv that Raw since it does not matter if people stick around on the Network.

[DAMN iNATOR]

The match was good, but (and you can say it's kind of an unfair argument/opinion), but it was nowhere near as awesome as Trish v. Lita in the RAW main event in December 2004.

Come at me if you disagree.

[Blonde Moment]

The match was good, but (and you can say it's kind of an unfair argument/opinion), but it was nowhere near as awesome as Trish v. Lita in the RAW main event in December 2004.

Come at me if you disagree.

Having Ross doing the duties automatically raises the match up a few notches

[Anybody Thrilla]

Naomi uses her ass as a finishing move.

So did Yokozuna. What of it?

[Anybody Thrilla]

The match was good, but (and you can say it's kind of an unfair argument/opinion), but it was nowhere near as awesome as Trish v. Lita in the RAW main event in December 2004.

Come at me if you disagree.

I was actually thinking when I watched it how much BETTER it was than Trish and Lita, but you're also dumb as fuck, so it's whatever really.

[Destor]

"Where are all the new stars?? WWE sucks."

"Why are they pushing these noobs?? WWE sucks."

"50/50 booking sucks. I liked it back in the day where someone would go on a winning streak and look unstoppable. WWE sucks."

"What's with these squash matches?? WWE sucks."
Thats what happens when you pull the curtian back.


Look of Reigns. They pushed because the crowd organically got behind him...until the crowd relized the office was also behind him. Then it wasnt cool anymore.

[Destor]

The match was good, but (and you can say it's kind of an unfair argument/opinion), but it was nowhere near as awesome as Trish v. Lita in the RAW main event in December 2004.

Come at me if you disagree.

Having Ross doing the duties automatically raises the match up a few notches

I was actually thinking when I watched it how much BETTER it was than Trish and Lita, but you're also dumb as fuck, so it's whatever really.
Trish and Lita was better. The audience had a much better emotional investment in Trish and the match.

[Innovator]

Thats what happens when you pull the curtian back.


Look of Reigns. They pushed because the crowd organically got behind him...until the crowd relized the office was also behind him. Then it wasnt cool anymore.

WWE fucked up having Bryan come back for that Rumble. If they held off on his return, people wouldn't have been as harsh as they were on Reigns.

[Anybody Thrilla]

Trish and Lita was better. The audience had a much better emotional investment in Trish and the match.

That's, like, your opinion, man.

[Destor]

That's, like, your opinion, man.:lol:

[DAMN iNATOR]

I was actually thinking when I watched it how much BETTER it was than Trish and Lita, but you're also dumb as fuck, so it's whatever really.

Yeah, I'm the dumb one for realizing, acknowledging and stating in no uncertain terms that Trish and Lita could wrestle circles around Charlotte and Sasha. :roll:

[Frank Drebin]

Thats what happens when you pull the curtian back.


Look of Reigns. They pushed because the crowd organically got behind him...until the crowd relized the office was also behind him. Then it wasnt cool anymore.

The crowd got behind Reigns at the Rumble a whole year prior because of the similar Batista situation. They missed "making" Reigns by a year. Ironic that he found himself in the same spot a year later.

Its not the curtain so to speak, it's simply poor timing and not knowing when to strike when the iron is hot. Make someone. Make something happen other then going back to the well.

WWE fucked up having Bryan come back for that Rumble. If they held off on his return, people wouldn't have been as harsh as they were on Reigns.
:yes:

[Mr. Nerfect]

The match was fn great. I have no idea where the sudden bitching is coming from. Also, lol at noid for listing Emmalina as someone he likes - a character that hasn't even debuted.

Emma's worked for the company for five years. :|

"Where are all the new stars?? WWE sucks."

"Why are they pushing these noobs?? WWE sucks."

"50/50 booking sucks. I liked it back in the day where someone would go on a winning streak and look unstoppable. WWE sucks."

"What's with these squash matches?? WWE sucks."

This is hasty generalization and it's fallacious reasoning to attribute widespread beliefs into a hypothetical individual that uniformly complies to the associations you project, but what the hell, I'll bite:

"Where are the new stars?"

Good question. Can you tell me? I'd argue that the only stars they have are Brock Lesnar, The Rock, The Undertaker, John Cena and maybe Randy Orton. You don't need me to tell you what's wrong with that list. You said it yourself -- they don't know when to strike when the iron is hot in some cases, and they don't know how to make someone instead of going back to the well.

But I assume you mean fresh talent. That's a different argument entirely. Fresh talent is always needed. Fresh talent =/= new stars. You don't see too many people sitting around saying "Hmm, you know -- I used to really like wrestling but don't anymore. I think I just realized what it is: Superstars could use a bit of a change."

Why are they pushing these noobs?"

Are you referring to new talent or green talent? Pushing talent that is green can leave them with a stank that last years -- sometimes over someone's entire career. There are some people who still thinks Chris Masters sucks based on seeing him chase the WWE Championship three years into his career. Of course, there are people who still thinks that Chris Masters sucks having seen a larger portion of his work too, but that's a different discussion again.

Perception is power in professional wrestling. It doesn't matter if you're an amazing technician if people don't buy you in a fight. It doesn't matter if you're a legitimately tough if people snooze through your matches. If people see you as shitty, you will be seen as shitty, even if you aren't.

"50/50 booking sucks. I liked it back in the day where someone would go on a winning streak and look unstoppable. WWE sucks."

50/50 booking does suck, and a lot of the blame for a lack of stars could be blamed on it. If everyone beats everybody, no one is any higher than anybody else on the card. If no one is above anyone else, how can anyone be special?

"What's with these squash matches?? WWE sucks."

I like squash matches, personally. Are people complaining about these? I could only assume that they feel like there's no progression. The opponents don't look progressively better, we aren't learning more about the character, what they can do in the ring or what their motivations are.

A lot of the squash matches WWE runs are with scrubs that pluck out of the independent scene, which is fine, but I'd actually prefer to see more squashes with established talent. One-sided matches with guys we know can go that somewhat catches us off-guard. Instead, the heel getting the squash (or the face, for that matter), will take too much from the other roster guy, and ultimately they get nothing from the win or the loss.

The exaggerated squash routines they have going with Strowman and Jax are good for those personas, but I can imagine how people are growing tired of them. Jax moved onto Alicia Fox, which was a good move. Strowman has been in there with Sin Cara and now wants more competition. I'd say things are on track there.

But then there's the problem of if you're actually putting the right talent in these dominant roles. Maybe Luke Harper would be better off with the Strowman push? Maybe Nia Jax isn't the monster the Women's Division needs? I'm not going to commit either way on those points, but people's emotional responses to things are a lot deeper than "Yay! A squash match! I am completely convinced of this person's talents and abilities!" and "Boo! A squash match! I only want to see real competition!".

You also don't need to have one or the other. You can have programs where the guys do go back and forth, programs where one guy is "made" over another, you can have guys going on a tear, or guys that just can't get that big win. That doesn't mean that if those concepts are hollowly projected onto your television screen that you're going to feel them effective. Eg. I've wanted to see a Best of Seven Series for ages. That doesn't mean I wanted to see Sheamus vs. Cesaro seven times, it go 3-0 to 3-3 to a tie, and ultimately end in a tag team. I don't have to swallow cow because "Well, I wanted to see something vaguely like that for a while now." You don't need to like a blowjob with teeth.

[Mr. Nerfect]

On Roman Reigns:

People saw the strings. They didn't want to cheer Reigns at the '14 Rumble, they were upset that they knew they were getting Batista vs. Orton. They saw the end game and they didn't like it. Conversely, when Reigns got the Rumble, they saw that the plan was for him to go on, beat Brock, and be the new face of the company. They saw the end game and they didn't like it.

Bryan being the Rumble was the wrong call, but I can actually see their reasoning in kayfabe. They wanted the average fan to see Bryan get dumped out, be told he's not the guy, and for their faith to be placed in Roman Reigns instead. That's why they had Bryan work that great match with Reigns at Fastlane and put Reigns over. It was supposed to make us go "Well, he's better than Bryan," except people don't think like that anymore. They know it's rigged and we've had Cena jammed down our throats until he got good enough to deserve it. There's a strong desire to not cop that again. Cena might actually be Reigns' worst enemy when it comes to people accepting his push, because they see a dark cloud that will last ten years.

Unfortunately for Reigns, it started before he really had that fan following built-up, and he doesn't have the merchandise sales, connection with certain demographics or ability to sustain a good rating or draw a decent house. The fans saw it too early because Vince McMahon's fingerprints were all over it.

The ONLY way to get people to invest in Reigns, at this point, is to turn him heel. They should be looking at what they did with The Rock more than what they did with Cena. In the old days, Reigns would be politicking for Rollins to get the belt off Owens so that Reigns can turn heel, stab Rollins in the back and take it from him. Reigns vs. Rollins would be your RAW WrestleMania main event and we might actually have some stars generated.

[Anybody Thrilla]

Yeah, I'm the dumb one for realizing, acknowledging and stating in no uncertain terms that Trish and Lita could wrestle circles around Charlotte and Sasha. :roll:

Exactly

[Frank Drebin]

Tenile Dashwood might have worked for the company for years, but the character - Emmalina - hasn't debuted

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Is Emma really short for Emmalina? Or did they make it up? Making Emily shorter does seem dumb.

[Simple Fan]

So Emma is now Emmalina? Did i miss a promo or somthing?

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Yes. On Raw.

[Simple Fan]

Was it at the end because I flipped once that match ended?

[Emperor Smeat]

Is Emma really short for Emmalina? Or did they make it up? Making Emily shorter does seem dumb.

Its another form of the name Emma but supposedly means "Universal" as a name. Maybe her character is going to be portrayed as the new universe of the Women's division or her arrogantly being the center of RAW's division.

http://www.thenamemeaning.com/emmalina/

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Was it at the end because I flipped once that match ended?

Not sure check youtube for emmalina promo. It's just a few hot pics of her and then emmalina coming.

[Simple Fan]

Ok I just watched it on YouTube. Yeah was just abunch of selfies so I wasn't sure of that was what was on Raw. I like the name change, Emmalina sounds more bitchy and if she is going to be a heel then getting away from the clunky Emma character is probably good. Seen a little of her as a heel in NXT. Then again she could be a face and Dana might leave Charlotte to go back with her.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Tenile Dashwood might have worked for the company for years, but the character - Emmalina - hasn't debuted

Yeah, Tenille Dashwood/Emma/Emmalina has worked for the company for five years. Thank you.

[Bad News Gertner]

Trish and Lita was better. The audience had a much better emotional investment in Trish and the match.

Trish vs Lita was miles better. They actually have personalities and the crowd gave a shit.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Yeah, gotta agree with Trish vs. Lita being the much bigger deal. Charlotte's got personality though. Sasha's got left in NXT.

[Bad News Gertner]

Charlotte comes across as an actress and not wrestler

[Fignuts]

Lita barely had any personality until she fucked edge and turned heel. Trish was always came off as the generic stereotypical face diva personality.

I'm not saying sasha and charlotte are any better, but come on. There's not this big gap in personality. None of them are terribly interesting in that regard.

[Fignuts]

Honestly feel like that's the reason Becky and Bayley have gained popularity. They aren't trying to be anything they aren't. They are unabasheddly themselves, and to a lot of people, that's refreshing.

Looking back at the history of the division, faces have predominantly been, cookie cutter, smiling waving babyface stereotypes. Heels have predominantly been stuck up bitches, or psychos.

So when someone like Bayley, or Asuka or Kong comes along, its more entertaining, because it feels new.

Props to sasha and charlotte for their work in the ring, but it still feels like they are playing characters rather than being those characters.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Lita barely had any personality until she fucked edge and turned heel. Trish was always came off as the generic stereotypical face diva personality.

I'm not saying sasha and charlotte are any better, but come on. There's not this big gap in personality. None of them are terribly interesting in that regard.

Lita oozed that rock chick charisma. She was part of one of the most over acts in the company during an era where everything was over.

This picture instantly disproves that Trish point:

http://www.trishstratus.com/news/upload/936.jpg

[wwe2222]

Lita barely had any personality until she fucked edge and turned heel. Trish was always came off as the generic stereotypical face diva personality.

I'm not saying sasha and charlotte are any better, but come on. There's not this big gap in personality. None of them are terribly interesting in that regard.

What? There are so many things I disagree with in this post.

[Anybody Thrilla]

I'm not sure if some of you are wearing jaded, rose-tinted glasses, but Sasha v. Charlotte was a MUCH better match than Trish v. Lita if we're talking about the ones that main-evented Raw alone. I remember being pretty underwhelmed with Trish v. Lita at the time. I'm a huge Trish fan. Was never a big Lita fan, outside of her being hot. And whoever said anything about botches, that was kinda her "thing".

[The CyNick]

The top girls today are better than any point in sports entertainment history.

I have never been a fan of any female sports, but credit to WWE for seeing an opening in the marketplace and filling it with female athletes that little girls can look up to.

I love Charlotte. She's far and away the MVP of the division to me. I would even say outside of Reigns and Cena she's the most valuable regular preformer WWE has today. In the ring she's the best girl on the roster, and she carries herself like a superstar.

Sasha is good too, and the crowd is with her right now, so it creates a great dynamic with Charlotte. It's almost a shame this feud is peaking now and not at Mania. The cool thing with Banks is you can see them planting seeds for a heel turn. I can see her coming out of the feud with Charlotte as champ and then blowing off Bayley to do the heel turn. You build to Sasha vs Bayley at Mania when Bayley gets the belt.

The HIAC match will be interesting. You can't bleed, which is a good thing. I don't want to see girls bleeding for a match. I don't want to see either of them do something crazy off the cage. So they might be limited, and may suffer from massive expectations. That said I would put them on last. It's the right time, it's breast cancer month, so it would be good publicity for WWE to let two girls headline a PPV for the first time.

I would also like to see them do a girls Royal Rumble in San Antonio. I would say all girls from both rosters would be involved including both champions. With the idea being that if say the SD women's champ wins the match, she would fight for the RAW women's championship title for title. I would have Charlotte win this to rebuild her after losing to Banks. Charlotte would say she wants to make history and become the first woman to win the RAW and SD women's titles, so she's challenging Becky. That leaves Becky vs Charlotte and Bayley vs Banks as the top women's matches at Mania.

[Frank Drebin]

Lita's moonsault was always a pile of puke. When you compare it to Charlotte's....calling it puke is an insult to puke.

[The CyNick]

PS - what a shock that Noid is disrupting a thread by turning it into another internet fan boy bitch fest of Roman Reigns.

[Anybody Thrilla]

For anyone arguing that the crowd was more invested in Trish and Lita's characters, the crowd was more invested into EVERYTHING back then. I feel WWE is in a rebuilding phase right now where the crowd has been made used to being disappointed, but there's some REALLY good stuff going on right now, especially between the ropes. Not to beat the PG horse either, but the Trish/Lita crowds were older/livelier than the kid-based crowds of today. It's not a fair comparison, and if you're looking at the bell-to-bell work in those matches, Charlotte and Sasha leave Trish and Lita in the dust by a substantial margin.

We can all be entertained if we allow ourselves to be.

[Anybody Thrilla]

Charlotte comes across as an actress and not wrestler

Not sure what makes you feel this. She seems like the most legitimate female "wrestler" in years, if not ever.

[Anybody Thrilla]

I mean, what made Trish or Lita seem any less like actors?

Sasha...now she comes off as an actor for sure. Charlotte is some next level type shit in my book.

[Anybody Thrilla]

The Undertaker seems like an actor, if you ask me.

[Blonde Moment]

I mean, what made Trish or Lita seem any less like actors?

Sasha...now she comes off as an actor for sure. Charlotte is some next level type shit in my book.

She might be the son we wanted

[Dark One]

Not sure what makes you feel this. She seems like the most legitimate female "wrestler" in years, if not ever.

It has gotten better, but up until a few months ago, her promos were atrocious to me. Like, Bayley-bad. Like a sixth grader reading speeches off of notecards and losing her place when someone made a snide remark.

She's gotten significantly better over the past few months and become a pretty great promo most of the time, and her in-ring work is really good most of the time--except when she's dropping people on their head. I think a lot of people's opinions are still colored by that first nine months.

But I also think that's true of Sasha. Her promos haven't been great, and her in-ring work has been "scary" some of the time, but people remember her NXT work. I think she's still trying to find her footing as the #1 face of the division on the main roster. Her heel ringwork in NXT was phenomenal, but having to be the babyface has left her a bit lost, which leads to doing dangerous shit to pop the crowd.

[Anybody Thrilla]

Lita was a shit promo her entire career.

[Bad News Gertner]

For anyone arguing that the crowd was more invested in Trish and Lita's characters, the crowd was more invested into EVERYTHING back then. I feel WWE is in a rebuilding phase right now where the crowd has been made used to being disappointed, but there's some REALLY good stuff going on right now, especially between the ropes. Not to beat the PG horse either, but the Trish/Lita crowds were older/livelier than the kid-based crowds of today. It's not a fair comparison, and if you're looking at the bell-to-bell work in those matches, Charlotte and Sasha leave Trish and Lita in the dust by a substantial margin.

We can all be entertained if we allow ourselves to be.

Not in 2004 they werent

[Bad News Gertner]

Not sure what makes you feel this. She seems like the most legitimate female "wrestler" in years, if not ever.

She's still not good at all in the mic.

[Anybody Thrilla]

What else was happening in 2004? Seriously don't recall things by year.

[Anybody Thrilla]

She's still not good at all in the mic.

Agree to disagree there, I guess. One of the top promos in the company right now.

[Bad News Gertner]

What else was happening in 2004? Seriously don't recall things by year.

2004 was probably the worst year in Raw history. The crowd was not into a lot of the show.

2004 was the HHH show

[Bad News Gertner]

Agree to disagree there, I guess. One of the top promos in the company right now.

Fair enough. She is dynamite in the ring.

[Anybody Thrilla]

2004 was probably the worst year in Raw history. The crowd was not into a lot of the show.

2004 was the HHH show

Was this the Bubba Ray singles run? Or was that 2003?

[Bad News Gertner]

Bubba Ray was 2002

[Destor]

Pretty offended that you're trying to discredit the biggest US female draw of all time at her peak

[Anybody Thrilla]

Bubba Ray?

[Anybody Thrilla]

Listen, I'm not a wrestler. I'm a wrestling FAN. Drawing power means precisely dick to me.

[RP]

This motherfucker right hereeeeeeeeeeeee dont have time to wrestling when he's strumming out hits like Let Her Cry, Hold My Hand and Only Wanna Be With You! ISIS BITCH!

[Anybody Thrilla]

Yeah, most of that.

[RP]

Strumming toons and grabbing pussies.

[Destor]

Listen, I'm not a wrestler. I'm a wrestling FAN. Drawing power means precisely dick to me.

It a clear representation of a persons investment.

[Juan]

Listen, I'm not a wrestler. I'm a wrestling FAN. Drawing power means precisely dick to me.

I feel the same way. Same with ratings and "star power." It's not what I watch wrestling for

[Anybody Thrilla]

It a clear representation of a persons investment.

So am I not a person if I'm invested in a non-draw?

[Anybody Thrilla]

How would one even really gauge that? They don't ask you who you're there to see when you purchase tickets.

[Destor]

So am I not a person if I'm invested in a non-draw?
Of course you are, but a person becomes a draw when a consensus if formed amongst a large number of yous,
How would one even really gauge that? They don't ask you who you're there to see when you purchase tickets.

merch and decibles

[Destor]

And weighing the gate on shows you're advertised for vs ones youre not

[Anybody Thrilla]

Justin Bieber is a draw. That doesn't make him great. I don't happen to agree with a lot of wrestling fans, because they wear jean shorts on purpose.

[Anybody Thrilla]

I love Trish, btw. Not Lita, though.

[Destor]

Justin Bieber is a draw. That doesn't make him great. I don't happen to agree with a lot of wrestling fans, because they wear jean shorts on purpose.

It does though. He is a great pop artist. Possibly the greatest of his generation. Me disliking him cant change that.

[Destor]

Lita is poo

[Mr. Nerfect]

It a clear representation of a persons investment.

Thank you!

[Mr. Nerfect]

PS - what a shock that Noid is disrupting a thread by turning it into another internet fan boy bitch fest of Roman Reigns.

I didn't bring up Reigns, you fucking nut-job.

[Anybody Thrilla]

Thank you!

A person. Not all people.

[Mr. Nerfect]

No, of course, but as I've said to you in the past, there is a market for people shitting on each other in pornography. It doesn't make it wrong or right to like it -- people do have subjective tastes, but if you are being objective then you have to rely on certain metrics in order to measure the success of something.

I think where we deviate is that you give very little weight to the objective realm. If you like something, that is all that matters to you. And that is fine. But it's quite individualistic and completely useless as any sort of gauge as to whether or not something has widespread appeal.

I'd actually reverse the sentiments in your post. It may have been more fitting for you to say "People. Not this person."

[Anybody Thrilla]

Why should I, as a fan, give any weight to the objective realm? I can't see much of a reason to care about anything but what I like. I understand the business side of it, but it's not any of my...*ahem* business.

[The CyNick]

I didn't bring up Reigns, you fucking nut-job.

Calm down Noid, you're getting worked up. I didn't say you brought him up. I said you were turning it into a bitch fest. Which is lame AF. Try to stay on topic like a big boy.

[RP]

I need more matches from them. I dont want either one of these girls to get hurt, but watching both of them nearly kill themselves to sell out for the womens division is inspiring. I'm still stunned that as little as Sasha is, she ran over and somewhat caught Charlotte from killing herself on a corkscrew lol. These two chicks are not playing. They are showing up the men's roster right now. Every match they have is coming off fresh as fuck.

Whats the next step...

Let's break the stigma that two woman cant headline a Hell in the Cell. It's time. If ever there were two. These are the two. I'm not advocating having Charlotte or Sasha spot jumping from the top of the Cell, though i dont put it past either to do so. I'm just saying. Lets continue breaking barriers here. I am highly entertained. I want to see everything these woman do. And last night's main event was fantastic just like i thought it would be.


WWE needs to stop sweating my threads.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Calm down Noid, you're getting worked up. I didn't say you brought him up. I said you were turning it into a bitch fest. Which is lame AF. Try to stay on topic like a big boy.

No I'm not. I'm calling you a nut-job because you are insane.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

STD wishes he isn't working this Sunday. He never works sundays either. wtf.

[mike adamle]

I would love it if Sasha and Charlotte make their entrance you could have Eric Bischoff interrupt and say it's been three minutes. The new Three Minute Warning (The Usos) come out and destroy Charlotte and Sasha. Eric then has the cell raised. He says you fans really wanted to see some HLA and he could have some Lesbians come out and fuck to end the show. Since The Usos are involved I suppose one of the lesbians can be Tamina.

[Bad News Gertner]

Lol O. K suck my dick anybody who says Charlotte doesn't come off as a bad actress trying to play a role after that interview with Lita. She's awful.

[Stickman]

The womens revolution is no different than attitude era women. There is superb talent at the top level but the talent pool is weak. Trish, lita, Molly, Victoria are just as good as Charollete, Sasha, Lynch, Neidhart. The girls now aren't doing anything different. I respect the hell out of them all. I have a boner for how fucking good Charollete is in her character, but she is no better (at this point) than Trish, Lita, Tori, Victoria etc. To act like the women are breaking new ground now is completely forgetting the past.

[The CyNick]

The difference between Attitude Era and now is night and day. Girls then were presented as eye candy and for the most part had terrible matches. Trish and Lita eventually improved a great deal, but the matches were largely presented as filler. The top girls today are positioned along with the top men and presented as athletes.

What a shock, I called the girls going on last.

[Anybody Thrilla]

Lol O. K suck my dick anybody who says Charlotte doesn't come off as a bad actress trying to play a role after that interview with Lita. She's awful.

I'll decline on the dick thing, but that promo wasn't bad at all. Lita sounded a bit clunky, as always, but that's to be expected.

[Black Widow]

I'm gonna enjoy all the pissed off guys on the internet these next two weeks.

[Anybody Thrilla]

You know who was underrated? Eve Torres.

[Stickman]

The difference between Attitude Era and now is night and day. Girls then were presented as eye candy and for the most part had terrible matches. Trish and Lita eventually improved a great deal, but the matches were largely presented as filler. The top girls today are positioned along with the top men and presented as athletes.

What a shock, I called the girls going on last.

I get what you are saying but they are still having terrible matches.

[Anybody Thrilla]

The average womens match today is much better than the average womens match of the Attitude Era, and it's really not close.

[Destor]

The average womens match today is much better than the average womens match of the Attitude Era, and it's really not close.Yes, but since the attitude era was Sable that's a low bar

[Anybody Thrilla]

Sure. But the bar has been raised, has it not?

[Destor]

Sure. But the bar has been raised, has it not?
It was raised, lowered to the floor, and raised again

[Anybody Thrilla]

Like lifting weights? That's how you get stronger.

[Mercenary]

STD wishes he isn't working this Sunday. He never works sundays either. wtf.

Ummm it's on the 30th so it isn't this Sunday

[Destor]

Like lifting weights? That's how you get stronger.

Lol yes the fed deadlifted the womens division. Lets hope they domt go for 2.

[The CyNick]

I get what you are saying but they are still having terrible matches.

They're female athletes, so the matches will never be as good as the men. That's just a limitation of being female.

The point is the athletes today are overall better, and most importantly they are positioned as athletes.

[Anybody Thrilla]

No bra and panties, no evening gown, etc.

[Anybody Thrilla]

PUPPIES!

CAT FIGHT!

[Lock Jaw]

"We went to war in Hell in a Cell, but still, it isn't enough. We need to FINISH THIS once and for all! I challenge you to a mud bowl bra and panties match!"

[Stickman]

They're female athletes, so the matches will never be as good as the men. That's just a limitation of being female.

The point is the athletes today are overall better, and most importantly they are positioned as athletes.

I guess what I am saying is that it's great how they are being promoted as athletes instead of chicks with puppies, but the talent is no better or worse than the Trish/Lita era. They main evented Raw, had great matches also so let's not act like something so special is happening now. I also don't think they should main event Hiac, Owens/Rollins hands down should be the main event,

[Anybody Thrilla]

I already hate the idea of Hell in a Cell being a PPV, but if it HAS to be one, making it exclusive to one show seems really ridiculous. Miz/Ziggler could probably work in a cell at this point. Or Styles/Ambrose.

[Emperor Smeat]

Mick Foley recently implied WWE backed off on the idea of Charlotte vs Sasha being the real main event for Hell in a Cell ppv. Hinting WWE is probably just going to do the multi-main event treatment for the ppv like with Mania and No Mercy.

Could still end up as the real main event since he stated WWE still doesn't know what they want for the card's order.

http://i.imgur.com/4jEAV0x.png

[Mr. Nerfect]

The idea that the women today aren't being marketed for their sex appeal is ridiculous. Total Divas is still a thing. Nikki Bella still has her entrance. Alexa Bliss was only hired because of her look. Becky Lynch is relatively over because people think she's cool enough to want to bang them. Sasha Banks' attire got smaller and smaller. Even Charlotte does sexy photoshoots from time-to-time.

I'm not disparaging the women because of this -- I just think it's naive to pretend that women are only hired based on talent.

[Fignuts]

I feel like the charlotte/banks feud has better, more natural heat than rollins/owens right now, and should main event solely on that.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

I'm gonna enjoy all the pissed off guys on the internet these next two weeks.

Four (eight?) years.

[Fignuts]

I already hate the idea of Hell in a Cell being a PPV, but if it HAS to be one, making it exclusive to one show seems really ridiculous. Miz/Ziggler could probably work in a cell at this point. Or Styles/Ambrose.

I agree 100%, and I'll also add that if they are dead set on having a hiac ppv, what they really should do is have just one actual hiac match on the card. I mean, it's bad enough that you already know it's coming, but the least you could do is book the main event to be a really heated personal feud, so the cell still feels somewhat special. But you can't even do that right now, because there are 2 other cell matches on the card, rendering the whole thing meaningless.

[Big Vic]

They're female athletes, so the matches will never be as good as the men. That's just a limitation of being female.

The point is the athletes today are overall better, and most importantly they are positioned as athletes.

What if they start identifying as males?

[The CyNick]

I guess what I am saying is that it's great how they are being promoted as athletes instead of chicks with puppies, but the talent is no better or worse than the Trish/Lita era. They main evented Raw, had great matches also so let's not act like something so special is happening now. I also don't think they should main event Hiac, Owens/Rollins hands down should be the main event,

I don't agree. I think Bayley v Banks was far and away better than anything Trish and Lita did. The women's match at Mania was the best female match in Mania history.


Rollins v Owens might be a better match, but from a business perspective putting the girls on last would grab headlines. It's the right timing, the right match, etc etc.

[The CyNick]

What if they start identifying as males?

I don't buy into that Jazz.

[The CyNick]

The idea that the women today aren't being marketed for their sex appeal is ridiculous. Total Divas is still a thing. Nikki Bella still has her entrance. Alexa Bliss was only hired because of her look. Becky Lynch is relatively over because people think she's cool enough to want to bang them. Sasha Banks' attire got smaller and smaller. Even Charlotte does sexy photoshoots from time-to-time.

I'm not disparaging the women because of this -- I just think it's naive to pretend that women are only hired based on talent.

Why am I not shocked you are missing the point. Of course they are at least decent looking, it's the entertainment business. But they aren't being pushed because of their sexuality. They are pushed like athletes, just like the guys. Dolph Ziggler shakes his butt, doesn't mean he's pushed because of his looks. As for Total Bellas, that's not about sex either. It's about appealing to broads who like those types of realty shows.

[XL]

At the risk of sullying my reputation, Total Bellas is excellent.

[The CyNick]

At the risk of sullying my reputation, Total Bellas is excellent.

Ive seen it a few times on The Network. For one of THOSE shows it didn't offend me.

[Anybody Thrilla]

Total Bellas is already on the Network? Or are you talking about Total Divas?

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

No it isn't so yes he is.

[The CyNick]

Yeah meant Total Divas. I'm sure the shows are similar.

[DAMN iNATOR]

You know who was underrated? Eve Torres.

I know you're not going to like this, but I completely agree with you. So talented but ended up getting misused late in her WWE run. I particularly didn't care for her romance with Ryder.

Also, let us all bask in the glory of the Booty Pop:
http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view5/20140629/5060194/eve-torres-booty-pop-o.gif