Better Wrestler #13

[Destor]

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3 days


<select><option selected="selected">Better Wrestler History</option><option>Trish Stratus vs Charlotte (27-13)</option><option>Trish Stratus vs The Miz (20-13)</option><option>Trish Stratus vs Booker T (19-19)</option><option>Trish Stratus vs The Big Show (19-9)</option><option>Trish Stratus vs Ricky "The Dragon" Steamboat (10-25)</option><option>Ricky "The Dragon" Steamboat vs Bokker T (22-13)</option><option>Ricky "The Dragon" Steamboat vs Kevin Nash (17-16)</option><option>Ricky "The Dragon" Steamboat vs John Cena (6-21)</option><option>John Cena vs Kevin Owens (25-8)</option><option>John Cena vs Goldberg (28-4)</option><option>John Cena vs Chris Jericho (4-33)</option><option>Chris Jericho vs AJ Styles (26-6)</option></select>

<select><option selected="selected">Better Wrestler Hall of Fame</option><option>TBD</option></select>

<select><option selected="selected">Previous Better Wrestler History</option><option>#1.RVD vs CM Punk (34-19)</option><option>#2.RVD vs Santino Marella (36-4)</option><option>#3.RVD vs "Mr. Perfect" Curt Hennig (15-23)</option><option>#4."Mr. Perfect" Curt Hennig vs Tully Blanchard (30-5)</option><option>#5."Mr. Perfect" Curt Hennig vs Chris Jericho (15-23)</option><option>#6.Chris Jericho vs Brock Lesnar (34-10)</option><option>#7.Chris Jericho vs William Regal (38-14)</option><option>#8.Chris Jericho vs Eddie Guerrero (21-23)</option><option>#9.Eddie Guerrero vs Ricky "The Dragon" Steamboat (26-7)</option><option>#10.Eddie Guerrero vs "Macho Man" Randy Savage (26-19)</option><option>#11.Eddie Guerrero vs Diamond Dallas Page (39-8)</option><option>#12.Eddie Guerrero vs "Stone Cold" Steve Austin(19-28)</option><option>#13."Stone Cold" Steve Austin vs Chris Benoit (32-13)</option><option>#14."Stone Cold" Steve Austin vs Jake "The Snake" Roberts (29-10)</option><option>#15."Stone Cold" Steve Austin vs Sting (36-16)</option><option>#16."Stone Cold" Steve Austin vs Bret "The Hitman" Hart (32-31)</option><option>#17.Hulk Hogan vs John Cena (15-24)</option><option>#18.John Cena vs Lex Luger (32-6)</option><option>#19.John Cena vs Ultimate Warrior (29-18)</option><option>#20.John Cena vs Dean Malenko (9-40)</option><option>#21.Dean Malenko vs Billy Kidman (31-7)</option><option>#22.Dean Malenko vs Ultimo Dragon (22-15)</option><option>#23.Dean Malenko vs Taz (15-17)</option><option>#24.Taz vs Sabu (38-2)</option><option>#25.Taz vs Jeff Hardy (25-16)</option><option>#26.Taz vs Bam Bam Bigelow (26-12)</option><option>#27.Taz vs Triple H (24-22)</option><option>#28.Edge vs Christian Cage (22-23)</option><option>#29.Christian Cage vs Raven (23-22)</option><option>#30.Christian vs Matt Hardy (22-19)</option><option>#31.Christian vs Ted Dibiase (24-25)</option><option>#32.Ted Dibiase vs "Rowdy" Roddy Piper (16-19)</option><option>#33."Rowdy" Roddy Piper vs "The British Bulldog" Davey Boy Smith (25-19)</option><option>#34."Rowdy" Roddy Piper vs Bob Backlund (26-6)</option><option>#35."Rowdy" Roddy Piper vs The Dynamite Kid (26-13)</option><option>#36."Rowdy Roddy Piper vs Ric Flair (16-19)</option><option>#37.Ric Flair vs Bret "The Hitman" Hart (19-17)</option><option>#38.Ric Flair vs Andre "The Giant" (28-5)</option><option>#39.Ric Flair vs Triple H (26-11)</option><option>#40.Ric Flair vs Shawn Michaels (20-26)</option><option>#41.Shawn Michaels vs Jushin "Thunder" Lyger (26-15)</option><option>#42.Shawn Michaels vs Perry Saturn (36-12)</option><option>#43.Shawn Michaels vs The Undertaker (29-11)</option><option>#44.Shawn Michaels vs The Rock (28-30)</option><option>#45.The Rock vs Trish Stratus (21-16)</option><option>#46.The Rock vs Lance Storm (22-19)</option><option>#47.The Rock vs Owen Hart (18-12)</option><option>#48.The Rock vs Kurt Angle (5-24)</option><option>#49.Kurt Angle vs Ken Shamrock (36-5)</option><option>#50.Kurt Angle vs Rob Van Dam (23-13)</option><option>#51.Kurt Angle vs "King Kong" Bruiser Brody (20-10)</option><option>#52.Kurt Angle vs Mick Foley (31-6)</option><option>#53.John Morrison vs Braden Walker (36-11)</option><option>#54.John Morrison vs Kofi Kingston (34-5)</option><option>#55.John Morrison vs CM Punk (14-28)</option><option>#56.CM Punk vs Tajiri (28-20)</option><option>#57.CM Punk vs Booker T (24-23)</option><option>#58.CM Punk vs Samoa Joe (53-4)</option><option>#59.CM Punk vs "Macho Man" Randy Savage (19-36)</option><option>#60."Macho Man" Randy Savage vs "Adorable" Adrian Adonis (47-2)</option><option>#61."Macho Man" Randy Savage vs Goldberg (49-4)</option><option>#62."Macho Man" Randy Savage vs "Mr. Perfect" Curt Hennig (31-38)</option><option>#63."Mr.Perfect" Curt Hennig vs "Diamond" Dallas Page (51-17)</option><option>#64."Mr. Perfect" Curt Hennig vs William Regal (37-18)</option><option>#65."Mr. Perfect" Curt Hennig vs Brock Lesnar (48-4)</option><option>#66."Mr. Perfect" Curt Hennig vs Eddie Guerrero (39-40)</option><option>#67. Eddie Guerrero vs Arn Anderson (33-22)</option><option>#68. Eddie Guerrero vs Jake "The Snake" Roberts (37-36)</option><option>#69. Eddie Guerrero vs Sting (41-16)</option><option>#70. Chris Jericho vs Eddie Guerrero (45-18)</option><option>#71. Chris Jericho vs Rey Mysterio (63-3)</option><option>#72. Chris Jericho vs Kevin Nash (54-12)</option><option>#73. Chris Jericho vs Dean Malenko (39-9)</option><option>#74. Chris Jericho vs Ricky Steamboat (41-30)</option><option>#75. Masato Tanaka vs Mike Awesome (24-18)</option><option>#76. Masato Tanaka vs X-Pac (34-16)</option><option>#77. Masato Tanaka vs Rikishi (36-13)</option><option>#78. Brian Pillman vs Masato Tanaka (31-13)</option><option>#79. Brian Pillman vs Road Dogg (44-7)</option><option>#80. Ultimo Dragon vs Brian Pillman (29-28)</option><option>#81. Ultimo Dragon vs Goldust (35-19)</option><option>#82. Ultimo Dragon vs Barry Windham (36-9)</option><option>#83. Ultimo Dragon vs Randy Orton (35-34)</option><option>#84. Edge vs Ultimo Dragon (48-8)</option><option>#85. Edge vs Jeff Hardy (54-5)</option><option>#86. Edge vs Razor Ramon (44-21)</option><option>#87. Ted Dibiase vs Edge (39-33)</option><option>#88. Ted Dibiase vs Doink the Clown (59-4)</option><option>#89. Ted Dibiase vs Rick Rude (34-20)</option><option>#90. Ted Dibiase vs. Christian (39-32)</option><option>#91. Ted Dibiase vs. Bret Hart (24-55)</option><option>#92. Bret Hart vs. Scott Steiner (56-8)</option><option>#93. Bret Hart vs. Christopher Daniels (47-15)</option><option>#94. Bret Hart vs. Triple H (40-22)</option><option>#95. Bret Hart vs. Shawn Michaels (26-47)</option><option>#96. Shawn Michaels vs. Marty Jannetty (54-7)</option><option>#97. Shawn Michaels vs. Bryan Danielson (36-12)</option><option>#98. Shawn Michaels vs. Chris Benoit (38-33)</option><option>#99. Shawn Michaels vs. The Rock (44-34)</option><option>#100. Earthquake vs. Vader (10-65)</option><option>#101. Vader vs. Bam Bam Bigelow (33-32)</option><option>#102. Vader vs. The Great Muta (32-29)</option><option>#103. Vader vs. Mick Foley (16-42)</option><option>#104. Mick Foley vs. Al Snow (49-7)</option><option>#105. Mick Foley vs. Jerry Lynn (41-11)</option><option>#106. Mick Foley vs. Rob Van Dam (24-38)</option><option>#107. Rob Van Dam vs. Tommy Dreamer (52-4)</option><option>#108. Rob Van Dam vs. John Morrison (54-14)</option><option>#109. Rob Van Dam vs. Owen Hart (36-36)</option><option>#110. Rob Van Dam vs. The Undertaker (22-53)</option><option>#111. The Undertaker vs. Owen Hart (62-16)</option><option>#112. The Undertaker vs. Kane (63-3)</option><option>#113. The Undertaker vs. Diamond Dallas Page (51-18)</option><option>#114. The Undertaker vs. Ric Flair (44-43)</option><option>#115. John "Bradshaw" Layfield vs. Ron Simmons (33-25)</option><option>#116. John "Bradshaw" Layfield vs. Juventud Guerrera (28-19)</option><option>#117. John "Bradshaw" Layfield vs. The Big Show (25-39)</option><option>#118. The Big Show vs. Sid (50-10)</option><option>#119. The Big Show vs. Lance Storm (18-48)</option><option>#120. Lance Storm vs. Meng (65-7)</option><option>#121. Lance Storm vs. John Cena (53-18)</option><option>#122. Lance Storm vs. Sting (23-50)</option><option>#123. Sting vs. The Ultimate Warrior (57-18)</option><option>#124. Sting vs. Dusty Rhodes (50-24)</option><option>#125. Sting vs. CM Punk (41-32)</option><option>#126. Sting vs. Randy Savage (27-50)</option><option>#127. Randy Savage vs. Jim Duggan (65-7)</option><option>#128. Randy Savage vs. AJ Styles (64-13)</option><option>#129. Randy Savage vs. Booker T (61-16)</option><option>#130. Randy Savage vs. Roddy Piper (55-27)</option><option>#131. Rick Martel vs. Tito Santana (35-29)</option><option>#132. Rick Martel vs. Shane Douglas (29-36)</option><option>#133. Shane Douglas vs. Rhino (35-38)</option><option>#134. Rhino vs. Jeff Jarrett (30-36)</option><option>#135. Jeff Jarrett vs. Mike Rotunda (30-38)</option><option>#136. Mike Rotunda vs. Chris Kanyon (44-24)</option><option>#137. Mike Rotunda vs. Barry Windham (38-17)</option><option>#138. Mike Rotunda vs. Scott Hall (11-63)</option><option>#139. Scott Hall vs. Goldberg (60-17)</option><option>#140. Scott Hall vs. Kevin Nash (47-31)</option><option>#141. Scott Hall vs. Brian Pillman (44-34)</option><option>#142. Scott Hall vs. Edge (26-64)</option><option>#143. Edge vs. Matt Hardy (71-12)</option><option>#144. Edge vs. Arn Anderson (38-34)</option><option>#145. Edge vs. Randy Orton (45-36)</option><option>#146. Edge vs. Triple H (29-47)</option><option>#147. Triple H vs. Batista (65-8)</option><option>#148. Triple H vs. Raven (54-25)</option><option>#149. Triple H vs. Ricky Steamboat (44-43)</option><option>#150. Triple H vs. Eddie Guerrero (43-56)</option><option>#151. Eddie Guerrero vs. Trish Stratus (58-12)</option><option>#152. Eddie Guerrero vs. The Great Muta (47-11)</option><option>#153. Eddie Guerrero vs. Curt Hennig (34-43)</option><option>#154. Curt Hennig vs. Jerry Lawler (63-9)</option><option>#155. Curt Hennig vs. Hulk Hogan (54-17)</option><option>#156. Curt Hennig vs. Christian (47-26)</option><option>#157. Curt Hennig vs. The Rock (31-44)</option><option>#158. The Rock vs. Steve Blackman (54-22)</option><option>#159. The Rock vs. Vader (54-14)</option><option>#160. The Rock vs. Mick Foley (48-22)</option><option>#161. The Rock vs. Bret Hart (42-49)</option><option>#162. Bret Hart vs. Davey Boy Smith (70-8)</option><option>#163. Bret Hart vs. Dean Malenko (52-16)</option><option>#164. Bret Hart vs. Owen Hart (47-18)</option><option>#165. Bret Hart vs. Ric Flair (53-32)</option><option>#166. Barry Darsow vs. Ed Leslie (45-13)</option><option>#167. Barry Darsow vs. Jacques Rougeau (17-38)</option><option>#168. Jacques Rougeau vs. Evan Bourne (18-49)</option><option>#169. Evan Bourne vs. Mr. Anderson (38-16)</option><option>#170. Evan Bourne vs. Bryan Danielson(10-50)</option><option>#171. Bryan Danielson vs. Billy Gunn (56-16)</option><option>#172. Bryan Danielson vs. The Miz (42-26)</option><option>#173. Bryan Danielson vs. Chris Benoit (27-40)</option><option>#174. Chris Benoit vs. Chavo Guerrero (53-8)</option><option>#175. Chris Benoit vs. Perry Saturn (48-13)</option><option>#176. Chris Benoit vs. Lance Storm (36-21)</option><option>#177. Chris Benoit vs. Ted Dibiase (41-34)</option><option>#178. TAKA Michinoku vs. Sho Funaki (51-9)</option><option>#179. TAKA Michinoku vs. Santino Marella (48-9)</option><option>#180. TAKA Michinoku vs. Rey Mysterio (23-41)</option><option>#181. Rey Mysterio vs. Gregory Helms (34-8)</option><option>#182. Rey Mysterio vs. Jeff Hardy (41-18)</option><option>#183. Rey Mysterio vs. Diamond Dallas Page (34-37)</option><option>#184. Diamond Dallas Page vs. Big Boss Man (49-5)</option><option>#185. Diamond Dallas Page vs. Yoshihiro Tajiri (34-18)</option><option>#186. Diamond Dallas Page vs. CM Punk (19-41)</option><option>#187. CM Punk vs. Terry Funk (35-18)</option><option>#188. CM Punk vs. Kane (40-13)</option><option>#189. CM Punk vs. Rob Van Dam (39-22)</option><option>#190. CM Punk vs. "Rowdy" Roddy Piper (39-37)</option><option>#191. Ted DiBiase, Jr. vs. Cody Rhodes (23-36)</option><option>#192. Cody Rhodes vs. Goldust (10-51)</option><option>#193. Goldust vs. Shelton Benjamin (41-22)</option><option>#194. Goldust vs. Rick Rude (21-37)</option><option>#195. Rick Rude vs. Rick Martel (42-6)</option><option>#196. Rick Rude vs. The Big Show (30-15)</option><option>#197. Rick Rude vs. Jake Roberts (26-38)</option><option>#198. Jake Roberts vs. John "Bradshaw" Layfield (50-16)</option><option>#199. Jake Roberts vs. Arn Anderson (39-31)</option><option>#200. Jake Roberts vs. Brian Pillman (34-20)</option><option>#201. Jake Roberts vs. Edge (42-28)</option><option>#202. Raven vs. Shane Douglas (45-6)</option><option>#203. Raven vs. R-Truth (39-6)</option><option>#204. Raven vs. Booker T (31-40)</option><option>#205. Booker T vs. Jerry Lawler (37-20)</option><option>#206. Booker T vs. Sheamus (51-11)</option><option>#207. Booker T vs. Christian (21-33)</option><option>#208. Christian vs. Jushin "Thunder" Liger (30-21)</option><option>#209. Christian vs. Kevin Nash (30-24)</option><option>#210. Christian vs. Randy Orton (41-22)</option><option>#211. Christian vs. Eddie Guerrero (10-66)</option><option>#212. Eddie Guerrero vs. Andre the Giant (55-16)</option><option>#213. Eddie Guerrero vs. Hulk Hogan (47-29)</option><option>#214. Eddie Guerrero vs. Scott Hall (47-18)</option><option>#215. Eddie Guerrero vs. The Rock (28-40)</option><option>#216. The Rock vs. William Regal (39-17)</option><option>#217. The Rock vs. Brock Lesnar (47-13)</option><option>#218. The Rock vs. Sting (31-19)</option><option>#219. The Rock vs. Triple H (40-27)</option><option>#220. Ahmed Johnson vs. Ezekiel Jackson (41-11)</option><option>#221. Ahmed Johnson vs. The Godfather (6-44)</option><option>#222. The Godfather vs. D'Lo Brown (9-42)</option><option>#223. D'Lo Brown vs. Val Venis (29-20)</option><option>#224. D'Lo Brown vs. Mark Henry (36-23)</option><option>#225. D'Lo Brown vs. The Miz (10-46)</option><option>#226. The Miz vs. John Morrison (52-13)</option><option>#227. The Miz vs. Dolph Ziggler (39-49)</option><option>#228. Dolph Ziggler vs. Wade Barrett (42-21)</option><option>#229. Dolph Ziggler vs. John Cena (38-31)</option><option>#230. Dolph Ziggler vs. Lance Storm (38-37)</option><option>#231. Dolph Ziggler vs. Curt Hennig (18-55)</option><option>#233. Curt Hennig vs. Zack Ryder (62-8)</option><option>#234. Curt Hennig vs. Vader (45-14)</option><option>#234. Curt Hennig vs. Owen Hart (38-22)</option><option>#235. Curt Hennig vs. Ric Flair (48-39)</option><option>#236. Jesse James vs. Billy Gunn (16-38)</option><option>#237. Billy Gunn vs. Sabu (40-15)</option><option>#238. Billy Gunn vs. Scott Steiner (20-38)</option><option>#239. Scott Steiner vs. Billy Kidman (28-26)</option><option>#240. Scott Steiner vs. Alberto Del Rio (25-34)</option><option>#241. Alberto Del Rio vs. X-Pac (29-25)</option><option>#242. Alberto Del Rio vs. Cody Rhodes (19-44)</option><option>#243. Cody Rhodes vs. Kofi Kingston (49-7)</option><option>#244. Cody Rhodes vs. Dusty Rhodes (30-30)</option><option>#245. Cody Rhodes vs. Goldust (18-31)</option><option>#246. Goldust vs. Dusty Rhodes (31-15)</option><option>#247. Goldust vs. Vader (29-39)</option><option>#248. Vader vs. Yokozuna (55-8)</option><option>#249. Vader vs Stan Hansen (31-10)</option><option>#250. Vader vs. Mick Foley (15-41)</option><option>#251. Mick Foley vs. Terry Funk (34-18)</option><option>#252. Mick Foley vs. Santino Marella (60-2)</option><option>#253. Mick Foley vs. Diamond Dallas Page (40-19)</option><option>#254. Mick Foley vs. Edge (49-28)</option><option>#255. Tajiri vs. Super Crazy (62-4)</option><option>#256. Tajiri vs The Great Muta (17-35)</option><option>#257. The Great Muta vs. Ultimo Dragon (32-28)</option><option>#258. The Great Muta vs. Brian Pillman (32-21)</option><option>#259. The Great Muta vs. Booker T (24-36)</option><option>#260. Booker T vs. Ron Simmons (50-13)</option><option>#261. Booker T vs. John "Bradshaw" Layfield (37-20)</option><option>#262. Booker T vs. Daniel Bryan (28-20)</option><option>#263. Booker T vs. "Rowdy" Roddy Piper (20-40)</option><option>#264. "Rowdy" Roddy Piper vs. "Cowboy" Bob Orton (48-6)</option><option>#265. "Rowdy" Roddy Piper vs. Christian (30-13)</option><option>#266. "Rowdy" Roddy Piper vs. Scott Hall (37-15)</option><option>#267. "Rowdy" Roddy Piper vs. Eddie Guerrero (31-32)</option><option>#268. Eddie Guerrero vs. Mr. Anderson (56-1)</option><option>#269. Eddie Guerrero vs. Rey Mysterio (41-11)</option><option>#270. Eddie Guerrero vs. Ted DiBiase (41-13)</option><option>#271. Eddie Guerrero vs. Triple H (40-32)</option><option>#272. Kane vs. Ryback (50-15)</option><option>#273. Kane vs. Sid (28-23)</option><option>#274. Kane vs. Big Show (41-13)</option><option>#275. Kane vs. Sting (12-46)</option><option>#276. Sting vs. Lex Luger (49-2)</option><option>#277. Sting vs. Rick Rude (30-28)</option><option>#278. Sting vs. Rob Van Dam (37-12)</option><option>#279. Sting vs. Hulk Hogan (29-30)</option><option>#280. Hulk Hogan vs. Andre "The Giant" (46-14)</option><option>#281. Hulk Hogan vs. Jeff Hardy (49-11)</option><option>#282. Hulk Hogan vs. Ultimate Warrior (37-15)</option></select>

<select><option selected="selected">Previous Better Wrestler Hall of Fame</option><option>"Stone Cold" Steve Austin</option><option>Taz</option><option>Kurt Angle</option><option>Chris Jericho</option><option>"The Heartbreak Kid" Shawn Michaels</option><option>The Undertaker</option><option>"Macho Man" Randy Savage</option><option>Bret "Hitman" Hart</option><option>Chris Benoit</option><option>CM Punk</option><option>Jake "The Snake" Roberts</option><option>The Rock</option><option>"Mr. Perfect" Curt Hennig</option><option>Mick Foley</option><option>Eddie Guerrero</option><option>Hulk Hogan</option></select>

<select><option selected="selected">Previous Best Wrestler Tournament History</option><option>ROUND 1</option><option>#1. Randy Savage vs. Taz (72-4)</option><option>#2. The Undertaker vs. Steve Austin (42-42)</option><option>#3. Chris Jericho vs. Jake Roberts (52-15)</option><option>#4. Bret Hart vs. CM Punk (44-24)</option><option>#5. Curt Hennig vs. The Rock (27-31)</option><option>#6. Mick Foley vs. Kurt Angle (18-41)</option><option>#7. Eddie Guerrero vs. Shawn Michaels (13-50)</option><option>#8. Chris Benoit vs. Hulk Hogan (28-36)</option><option>ROUND 2</option><option>#9. Randy Savage vs. Hulk Hogan (41-18)</option><option>#10. The Undertaker vs. Steve Austin vs. Shawn Michaels (14-22-26)</option><option>#11. Chris Jericho vs. Kurt Angle (30-27)</option><option>#12. Bret Hart vs. The Rock (32-34)</option><option>ROUND 3</option><option>#13. Randy Savage vs. The Rock (41-22)</option><option>#14. Chris Jericho vs. Shawn Michaels (20-43)</option><option>ROUND 4</option><option>#15. Randy Savage vs Shawn Michaels (25-48)</option></select>

[Destor]

Sorry for the delay, stupid busy time of year.


Benoit for me.


Easily in my top 5. Probably top 3. I could watch Benoit work for days on end. Benoits impact on the buisiness, while infamous, will probably outlast anyones in the form of drug testing and concusion protocals. May not be the lagacy you would want but you cant argue the impact. I'd also argue he broke the height barrier that 90% of the top guys today are able to enjoy now.

[Bad News Gertner]

Kevin Nash for me.

He just had more personality than those two and arguably a better worker.

[Ruien]

Hated Benoit. Just did. Y2J is a top 5 wrestler too.

[Black Widow]

Jericho in a fucking landslide!

Only tournament piece of SHIT belongs in is the biggest coward.

[Mr. Nerfect]

You're probably going to get a bit of revisionist history here, as people try to block out in their minds how great Benoit was, and now probably box his ring skill into the "good" category, and they probably consider Jericho a contemporary in that regard, just with more personality.

I would point to Benoit's work in Japan, his classics in WWE, and how he manages to galvanize the WWE audience behind him to the point where he was the rightful choice to headline WrestleMania XX -- the crowd willing to reject even Shawn Michaels for him at that point. Did the reign work? No. Did the WWE do their best to sabotage it? Quite frankly, yes. Was he ever that hot again? No. But Jericho has never been that hot. Maybe you can call him babyface #3, but I think the only time he's ever been a "World Champion" as a babyface was when he won the WCW Title from The Rock. Every other time has been him working heel.

I think I am going to go with Jericho, because I feel that overall his work is going to have the legacy attached to it of being from one of the best. As much as I love Jericho, I think he is missing something. Maybe it's an ego to really go to town and make sure he carves out a niche as a top guy. He still should have won the 2012 Royal Rumble. Maybe it's that he's such a team player that I just can't see him as one of the all-time mega-stars of wrestling?

[Mr. Nerfect]

I think it should be pointed out that, technically speaking -- from a pure in-ring perspective -- Chris Benoit is a much better hold-for-hold guy than Chris Jericho. And just about anybody. If the folks who were talking about how it's "better wrestler" and were trying to discount things like drawing power, mic skills, charisma, etc. vote for Jericho, you can pretty much consider them a hypocrite. I can see why you chose this now, Desty. :p

[Mr. Nerfect]

Fuck it, I'm going Benoit. Fuck ya'll. WrestleMania XX > WrestleMania X-8. Also, Benoit drew about as well as Triple H in 2000 when he was up against Rock.

[Evil Vito]

Went with Jericho. Whilst Benoit was the better straight up ring technician, Jericho was no slouch in his technical skills either and I felt he was able to add some speed and acrobatics to his matches, particularly early in his career.

Can't complain with either result though, both fantastic wrestlers.

[Black Widow]

Fucking Nerds!

Just teach every killer in the world a suplex if you wanna a pass from wrestling Nerds.

[Emperor Smeat]

Jericho.

Benoit was better in terms of in-rings skills but felt Jericho was better as an overall package. Jericho's longevity in terms of career also plays in his favor since some of his best work occurred after Benoit's death like Business Suit Era Jericho.

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[Blonde Moment]

Better Wrestler? Benoit for sure but overall package goes to Jericho

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Jericho did his career without getting concussions doing stupid shit or murdering his family. Be like Jericho. Jericho wins.

[Destor]

Jericho did his career without getting concussions doing stupid shit false

or murdering his family. Be like Jericho. Jericho wins.was that on an episode of nitro?

[Wishbone]

Jericho by far. He was every bit as entertaining in the ring, and he was leaps and bounds more entertaining on the mic. Benoit was cool and all (until he killed his family...) but he was never even in the same league as Jericho.

[Lock Jaw]

I enjoyed Benoit, but this is a real no-brainer.

It can be argued (and probably truthfully) that Benoit was the better "in ring", but Jericho's other qualities, and his overall body of work, just blow Benoit out of the water.

[wwe2222]

Never a Benoit fan. Unfortunately had to be there live in 04 when he won the rumble and the world title.

[#1-norm-fan]

If Benoit never killed anyone it would still be Jericho by a mile for me.

[Rammsteinmad]

Two of my top three of all time.

But Jericho would be #1, Benoit is either #2 or #3. So Jericho.

[mike adamle]

Honestly, I'd much rather watch a Benoit match than a Jericho match/segment. And I never thought Benoit was uncharismatic either. He always had a certain vibe to him that always made me want to watch. It sucks what he did to his family, but we're just talking wrestling here.

[Destor]

Honestly, I'd much rather watch a Benoit match than a Jericho match/segment. And I never thought Benoit was uncharismatic either. He always had a certain vibe to him that always made me want to watch. It sucks what he did to his family, but we're just talking wrestling here.
If anyone says he lacked charisma then they dont understand what it is.


Classic showmanship/posturing =/= charisma argument

[Mr. Nerfect]

I was just coming in here to post a similar thing to that. Benoit was charismatic as hell.

[Wishbone]

If anyone says he lacked charisma then they dont understand what it is.


Classic showmanship/posturing =/= charisma argument

He had a certain charisma to him, sure, but Jericho had a ton more. I just never got quite as hyped seeing Benoit whereas Jericho always got me excited to watch wrestling.

[Destor]

He had a certain charisma to him, sure, but Jericho had a ton more. I just never got quite as hyped seeing Benoit whereas Jericho always got me excited to watch wrestling.
Completely disagree.






Benoit had a much more comanding presence.

[Wishbone]

Completely disagree.






Benoit had a much more comanding presence.

Meh, to each their own I suppose. I never got that sort of feeling watching Benoit. I always thought he was cool, but Jericho felt more like an international superstar to me. Benoit was always just that badass wrestler.

[KIRA]

There are so many ways to approach this one.
I went with Jericho because he is a Jack of stats moreso than Benoit IMO that said Benoit is one of the few small guys that can believably take a big guy apart he came across as that big a badass he was just vicious.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Jericho was a showman, but Benoit's charisma made it Benoit & Jericho and not Jericho & Benoit.

[Mr. Nerfect]

That 2004 push for Benoit while Jericho's only real main event success came as a heel tells you a lot too. Well, Jericho arguably should have been pushed higher as a babyface in 2000/2001, but there's always been something that just isn't as believable as Benoit scrapping with the main eventers.

[Nicky Fives]

I'm a fan of both (being Canadian, I kinda have to be) and actually prefer Benoit, but Jericho is the better wrestler overall. Had the whole "Benoit thing" not gone down, maybe this result would have a bit closer, but Jericho gets the nod for me.

[Mr. Nerfect]

If Benoit were still around today, I guarantee you he'd be a bigger deal, because his charisma would stand out.

[Wishbone]

If Benoit were around today he'd be pushing 50 so honestly he'd either be retired or a very seldomly seen part-timer. Although I'm assuming you meant if he'd come up in today's WWE and was in his prime now which I'd agree with. A badass submission machine that is legit a badass submission machine? Today's fans would eat that shit up. That said I think if you gave the same scenario to Jericho he'd be an even bigger deal. I think you'd be looking at a CM Punk and Daniel Bryan thing all over again with Jericho being the CM Punk to Benoit's DB.

[Wishbone]

Just an FYI I'm not comparing those guys in any way. DB and Benoit were two completely different characters that weren't even remotely similar save for their reputations for technical wrestling. I'm just saying that we'd probably be looking at Jericho as the overall more "talented" of the two the same way most people look at CM Punk as being overall more talented than DB. Benoit would probably be portrayed far more as an underdog than we remember too because if they were in today's WWE he wouldn't have been roided up and as a result would have probably been far smaller.

[Destor]

Just an FYI I'm not comparing those guys in any way. DB and Benoit were two completely different characters that weren't even remotely similar save for their reputations for technical wrestling. I'm just saying that we'd probably be looking at Jericho as the overall more "talented" of the two the same way most people look at CM Punk as being overall more talented than DB. Benoit would probably be portrayed far more as an underdog than we remember too because if they were in today's WWE he wouldn't have been roided up and as a result would have probably been far smaller.

Id love to debate punk being more talented the danielson...ONE DAY

[Wishbone]

Id love to debate punk being more talented the danielson...ONE DAY

Definitely needs to be a future match-up for Better Wrestler. :y:

[Mr. Nerfect]

If Benoit were around today he'd be pushing 50 so honestly he'd either be retired or a very seldomly seen part-timer. Although I'm assuming you meant if he'd come up in today's WWE and was in his prime now which I'd agree with. A badass submission machine that is legit a badass submission machine? Today's fans would eat that shit up. That said I think if you gave the same scenario to Jericho he'd be an even bigger deal. I think you'd be looking at a CM Punk and Daniel Bryan thing all over again with Jericho being the CM Punk to Benoit's DB.

Benoit would be making guys tap in Orlando Jordan time and people would be eating it up, because basically everybody is a mid-carder.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Id love to debate punk being more talented the danielson...ONE DAY

I don't even think Punk would say he's better than Danielson.

[DAMN iNATOR]

This poll ends in December, but it was still done in #Nashvember, therefore Kevin Nash wins. FLAWLESS VICTORY!

[Mr. Nerfect]

Bryan is way better than Punk.

[Wishbone]

Bryan is way better than Punk.

Dude, Bryan was better in-ring, sure, but better all around? I'm sorry, but I find that statement laughable. Punk was one of the most charismatic people to come up in the last decade. He was a master of backstage politics, and he sold himself as being a top guy better than almost anyone of his era. I mean, hell, the dude was literally the hottest act in wrestling for a while, and people were still chanting his name for well over a year after he left. Hell, they still do. He's one of the few guys that you can legit say put butts in seats. Now DB did that too, don't get me wrong, but had Punk not left DB would have never gotten that chance.

[Mr. Nerfect]

You could legitimately say everything you said about Punk but about Bryan, except Bryan's matches were almost always more exciting, and although Punk is the better "talker," outside of a couple of great promos it counted for nothing. Bryan managed to start a movement around his charisma.

[Destor]

Dude, Bryan was better in-ring, sure, but better all around? I'm sorry, but I find that statement laughable. Punk was one of the most charismatic people to come up in the last decade. He was a master of backstage politics, and he sold himself as being a top guy better than almost anyone of his era. I mean, hell, the dude was literally the hottest act in wrestling for a while, and people were still chanting his name for well over a year after he left. Hell, they still do. He's one of the few guys that you can legit say put butts in seats. Now DB did that too, don't get me wrong, but had Punk not left DB would have never gotten that chance.

Punk would have never gotten over at a mainevent level without the "best in the world" bit he stole from danielson after he was fired for being too good at his job. Punks entire success it based off selling people on AMDrags gimmick. Had danielson been free to get his lwn gimmick over Punk would have never gotten over the way he did. That catchphrase was a huge driving force for him.

[Destor]

NOT THE TIME FOR THAT THOUGH >_<

[Juan]

Punk would have never gotten over at a mainevent level without the "best in the world" bit he stole from danielson after he was fired for being too good at his job. Punks entire success it based off selling people on AMDrags gimmick. Had danielson been free to get his lwn gimmick over Punk would have never gotten over the way he did. That catchphrase was a huge driving force for him.

I'll give you that Punk cashed in on the whole "Best in the World" thing but I really don't think that's the ONLY reason he got over.

[Destor]

I'll give you that Punk cashed in on the whole "Best in the World" thing but I really don't think that's the ONLY reason he got over.

I think its what propelled him. He said he was the best and people believed him. Had danielson used his own gimmick people might have easily done the same.

[Juan]

Hindsight is 20/20

[Juan]

Not that I disagree with you, but we'll never know for sure

[Destor]

Punk owes Danielson a GREAT deal of his success

[Destor]

T-Shirt sales alone...cant imagine the money Danielson was jipped out of

[Juan]

Shortened career aside, I think Bryan did pretty good for himself in the time he was "on top"

Had he been in Punk's spot, not gotten "fired" and not had to retire, I'm 100% sure his career would have eclipsed Pubk's by a large margin

[Juan]

Wouldn't have been too difficult given how Punk's WWE run ended lol

[Wishbone]

Thing is we're going by the way Punk's career ended, and the way DB's career ended up unfolding. Had Punk not ended up having the grievances he did do any of you honestly believe his career would have stalled out? If the dude had stuck it out and stayed with the company he'd have almost certainly stayed in the main event, and likely would have ended up taking DB's spot as the guy who beat the Authority, albeit in a much less satisfying way as I don't think we'd have seen the triple threat happen and instead it'd have just been Punk vs Triple H while Batista went on to fight Orton.

Also the idea that Punk only got over because of the "best in the world" shtick is really underestimating him in my opinion. It's like saying the only thing that got DB over was the YES! chants. Yeah, it definitely didn't hurt, but the dude was over even before that. Sure he didn't reach the peak until he started that stuff, but his career even before the "Summer of Punk" was nothing to scoff at. The dude had "it" in spades.

As for Punk's matches not being as exciting as DB's, well, that certainly can be argued, but in-ring competition isn't the only thing that defines a great wrestler. If it were Tyson Kidd would have been god-tier. Punk was great in the ring. Not as great as Bryan, but still great. I'm a sucker for good workers and 5-star matches, but for me interesting characters and promos are more important, and if you can have both like Punk did you're golden in my eyes.

Oh, and just an FYI I'm not saying DB wasn't amazing. I loved the dude, and he is one of my favorites to grace the ring in recent years. I'm just saying that in my honest opinion Punk had more of a star quality to him.

[Ruien]

Daniel Bryan had every single crowd basicall protesting and hijacking every single Raw until he was grant a title shot at Mania. That is how much everyone loved Bryan.

[Destor]

Even usingDanielsons gimmick punk at no time was ever as over. Ever.

And the best in the world gimmick's brilliance, and ivs said this since 06ish is that like any good propoganda it makes you view him in that light. It worked for danileson and punk both. But after punk stole it danielson went on and just got something else over.

So punk rode danielsons back to success and it still didnt stop AMDrag.that alone makes him better.

Never mind that punks best pop wasnt in the league of danielsons or that danielson could out work punk by accident. He doesnt even need tbose factors.

Punks catch phrase should be 2nd best in the world,

[Lock Jaw]

I like how a Chris Jericho vs Chris Benoit better wrestler thread has somehow turned into a CM Punk vs. Daniel Bryan better wrestler thread.

[Destor]

:lol:


I TRIED TO NOT ENGAGE IT BUT I COULDNT RESIST

[Lock Jaw]

At least you know your next big matchup after Chris Jericho goes into the hall of fame!

[Destor]

At least you know your next big matchup after Chris Jericho goes into the hall of fame!So far he's be coasting right along!

[Ruien]

HBK time baby!

[KIRA]

CM Punk was the cool guy, DB was cool because he wasn't cool and he connected with fans on a level that was emotional (within and beyond the context of the show which is frankly amazing)As a performer part of your job is to manipulate the audience,Bryan comes along and commands the crowds feelings without seeming to want to or even try to most of the time. CM Punk is skilled and a good talker but He can't touch Bryan for in ring skill or the impact he's had on fans and the company.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Even TPWW edits out Benoit.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I was chewing up Punk at the time, but when you really play the stuff back, Bryan's holds up WAY better. Way, way, way better. Punk was actually a terrible babyface unless he was working with Brock. Punk worked well as a heel in 2009 and 2010, but he had plateaued in terms of delivering thrills to people. He was a good heel run against Jeff Hardy and that promo.

Would he have still been around? Yeah, and he would have gone over Triple H at WrestleMania XXX and Bryan still would have been the hottest thing on the show. Mania would have still been hijacked. It was Bryan or bust by this point. He'd have ended up in the main event and leaving with the belt. Punk would have still been hovering around and still getting beat up and cranky.

[Wishbone]

Thing is you're all using Bryan's YES! movement stuff to say he's better. Problem with that is Bryan had a lot of external factors that allowed that movement to take place. I'm sorry, but if you honestly believe that the YES! movement just happened because Bryan was that good you're delusional. The YES! movement was the result of the fanbase becoming tired of being force-fed crap by the powers that be, the overlooking of great wrestlers just because they didn't fit WWE's mold, and Bryan's own overness. It was a perfect storm that resulted in something magical. Hell, Punk himself played a big roll in making that movement explode because he essentially became a martyr to the fans who wanted guys like him and Bryan in the main event. He justified what they were doing and spurred on the chants even more. Without all those pieces the YES! movement would never have happened. I think you're all giving Bryan way more credit for the movement than is deserved. Sure he was the centerpiece, and without someone as good as him it wouldn't have worked nearly as well, but it wasn't all him creating that.

[Mr. Nerfect]

It was bad booking around him. It was cheating us out of another Daniel Bryan WrestleMania match. They couldn't move the movement onto anyone else because it belonged to Bryan. It was a lot more "because" of him than you're giving him credit for. He couldn't engineer it, but he manufactured a lot more than given credit for. His aura, his look, how he tailored his gimmick. See Punk on how to get booked into oblivion. The WWE couldn't do that with Bryan.

[KIRA]

They tried to give the YES thing to Big Show at one point.

I'm not giving all credit to the yes movement BUT Bryan was shouting YES! when he was a heel the reason was different but it was still getting over because of how over the top and delusional DB was about winning his matches. I think the whole thing would've caught fire without WWE getting behind it but his face persona, the infectious positivity in the chant and the WWE machine just made it catch on and spread that much faster.

[Destor]

If getting YES over wasnt him then why did he get more over than punk? Why didnt they cling to the guy who had been there longer? Terrible argument.

[Wishbone]

I never said that Bryan wasn't the one that got the YES! chants over... Y'all are mistaking the movement with the chants that became associated with it. The YES! chants were Bryan's thing, but that's not all the movement was. Hell, it was a very small part of the movement. That's why the chants didn't work on anyone else besides Bryan. That was his thing and his thing only. Meanwhile the movement itself has continued on resulting in MANY guys like Bryan continuing to get over despite WWE not being completely behind them. Cesaro and the Cesaro Section, Kevin Owens, Sami Zayn, Dolph Ziggler, all of these guys have benefited because of the YES! movement because at the end of the day that movement wasn't just about Bryan (as Noid seems to implying.) The YES! movement was about a shift in the public consumption and perception of the product as a whole. It was about a change in tastes and ideals among the fans. The idea that it was all for Bryan because the fans just wanted him to succeed is silly. Bryan just became the poster-boy of the movement because he was the best candidate for the job at the time. He took up that position and ran with it amazingly mind you, but the movement would have almost certainly occurred eventually regardless of Bryan. People at that point in time were just tired of the product being the way it had been. They were tired of being told what to like. Bryan offered the alternative to that that they desperately wanted so they latched on and helped propel him to greatness. The fans forced Bryan over. He rode that wave to the top. I'm not faulting him for that at all, but he certainly didn't get himself over as much as people are saying. He owes a LOT to the fans who debatably did most of the work.

P.S. Just wanted to emphasize that I'm not saying you're all wrong and I'm right or anything like that. I shouldn't have to specify that, but I know how internet stuff goes, especially around these parts. This is all opinion, and you're free to disagree with me. I won't think less of you for it, and I hope you won't think less of me. This is just a friendly debate.

[Wishbone]

If getting YES over wasnt him then why did he get more over than punk? Why didnt they cling to the guy who had been there longer? Terrible argument.

Oh, and I'd like to address this comment specifically too. They didn't latch onto Punk because he wasn't put in the same position. Punk was starting to be pulled down that path, but he didn't stick it out like Bryan did. Punk had enough and took his ball home. That is why they didn't latch onto him instead. Were the roles reversed I honestly think Punk could have ended up in that same position easily. In fact I think a lot of guys could have ended up there had they been in that position at the time. We'll never know for sure unless we get a time machine though.

[Destor]

Oh, and I'd like to address this comment specifically too. They didn't latch onto Punk because he wasn't put in the same position. Punk was starting to be pulled down that path, but he didn't stick it out like Bryan did. Punk had enough and took his ball home. That is why they didn't latch onto him instead. Were the roles reversed I honestly think Punk could have ended up in that same position easily. In fact I think a lot of guys could have ended up there had they been in that position at the time. We'll never know for sure unless we get a time machine though.

Revisionist history. Danielson became thw hottest act in the company while punk was on the roster.

[Wishbone]

We'll have to agree to disagree there. I'm not revising anything. All I'm saying is that given the same spot others could have made the movement work as well. Your insistence that it was all Bryan just doesn't add up to me. IMO you're putting waaay too much credit on Bryan while trying to discount the fact that much of it was simply right place right time.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Yeah, Bryan was hot way before Punk was gone. It started in 2012 and had reached fever-pitch by SummerSlam 2013.

None of those guys you mentioned has come anywhere near as close to being as over as Bryan. I do appreciate what you are trying to say about a creative direction and such bothering people, but they needed someone like Bryan to latch onto. No one else could have been in that role. Whenever they would try to smack him down, he'd just get more over. How is that working for Sami Zayn? Dolph Ziggler? Cesaro?

Daniel Bryan changed a lot of things. He did kick down the door for a lot of independent talent -- perhaps even too many guys that are just drops in the bucket right now. In a negative sense, he may have convinced certain people to believe that Daniel Bryan looking like a mark is what caused people to gravitate behind him -- hence the James Ellsworths, etc. You seem to attribute Daniel Bryan's success as being a symptom of the YES! Movement, but I think it's vice versa -- any sort of "movement" gimmick is a symptom of Bryan.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Right place, right time is a fair point, but you can say that about almost any star -- if you hold off on a guy for too long it doesn't work, and pushing them too early can blow it. Timing is super-important. Bryan shouldn't be penalized for having good timing though, because it almost becomes a redundant measurement.

[Wishbone]

Oh I didn't mean to imply that Cesaro and company were as over as Bryan or even that they could have taken his place. If that's what you got from my comment I apologize. I was using them as examples that the movement itself was about guys like them "breaking out" not that they were instrumental in the movement.

As for the Bryan vs the movement thing I think it's like the chicken or the egg argument. We'll never really know I guess, but in my honest opinion the movement was what came first.

I'm also not trying to penalize Bryan for being in the right place. I think he did amazing with it and proved himself a star. I just think that Punk and some others throughout history could have played that role just as well if not better.

[Bad News Gertner]

Punk was pretty awful

[Wishbone]

You think everything is awful, Gerty. :p

[Bad News Gertner]

Bryan was 10x better

[#1-norm-fan]

Punk was definitely a more complete package than Bryan.

Neither was a mega-star... but Punk was closer.

[#1-norm-fan]

Also, Benoit was crazy unlikable even before he became a murderer. Awkward and unnatural on the mic. He over-enunciated everything. It was annoying.

[Emperor Smeat]

In terms of the Bryan-Punk theoretical matchup, would have gone with Punk if it was pre-Road to Mania 30 but Bryan afterwards since he got to heights as a star Punk didn't in the end. As overall packages, they are very close to each other.

None of those guys you mentioned has come anywhere near as close to being as over as Bryan. I do appreciate what you are trying to say about a creative direction and such bothering people, but they needed someone like Bryan to latch onto. No one else could have been in that role. Whenever they would try to smack him down, he'd just get more over. How is that working for Sami Zayn? Dolph Ziggler? Cesaro?

Daniel Bryan changed a lot of things. He did kick down the door for a lot of independent talent -- perhaps even too many guys that are just drops in the bucket right now.
Disagree with this a bit. I'd argue Punk was the one who kicked the door open for indie style talent in the WWE which ended up helping Bryan a lot. Bryan took what Punk started and added to it with the end result being NXT as the "hot spot" for WWE's indie craze.

Even in terms of mainstream appeal, Punk reached it first with the whole pipebomb incident and "Summer of Punk" as the major moments. He was getting focus from ESPN and other non-wrestling places well before Bryan's "YES!" craze took off.

Same for WWE constantly trying to smack down Punk's popularity with crowds during his early years because they didn't have a hand in it. Heyman was the only key person in management who saw Punk's real value both in developmental and when he had him for the ECW brand.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Bryan was 10x better

Agreed. Punk could talk better. Not necessarily promo better, but talk better. But hearing Bryan on commentary, doing Talking Smack and cutting promos in the years since, I have no doubt that Bryan can be just as effective a talker as Punk due his greater charisma.

[KIRA]

Oh, and I'd like to address this comment specifically too. They didn't latch onto Punk because he wasn't put in the same position. Punk was starting to be pulled down that path, but he didn't stick it out like Bryan did. Punk had enough and took his ball home. That is why they didn't latch onto him instead. Were the roles reversed I honestly think Punk could have ended up in that same position easily. In fact I think a lot of guys could have ended up there had they been in that position at the time. We'll never know for sure unless we get a time machine though.

I really don't think Punk even if he did wind up in DB position and stuck it out could have pulled that off. He's too cocky not as good a wrestler and his personality and look don't lend themselves to sympathy.

[Destor]

I really don't think Punk even if he did wind up in DB position and stuck it out could have pulled that off. He's too cocky not as good a wrestler and his personality and look don't lend themselves to sympathy.
Bryan was this generations Foley. It was his ultimate niceguyness that got him over.

[KIRA]

Right place, right time is a fair point, but you can say that about almost any star -- if you hold off on a guy for too long it doesn't work, and pushing them too early can blow it. Timing is super-important. Bryan shouldn't be penalized for having good timing though, because it almost becomes a redundant measurement.

Yep in much the same way as Stone Cold Bryan was lighting in a bottle.