RAW - 12.19.16 *Official Thread*

[Lock Jaw]

The man who "invented" the Money in the Bank ladder match is awfully afraid of heights......

[Triple A]

How much $

Would probably prefer to "buy new" anyways.....

I dunno I gotta see what the going rate is on eBay/Craigslist (where I was planning on selling it) but could prob go like 100-200 less than what I think I can get... "No pressure" just saying if u want, I am gonna sell it anyway!

[Lock Jaw]

Charlotte looks "right" with the title around her waist

[Dark One]

The Braun Strowman thing with tearing down the trees was good imho

They have done a good job building him up, 4 someone who is such a boring wrestler/personality

He's been on a few podcasts, and he seems like he has a pretty entertaining personality, and some of the clips I've seen shows he can move pretty quick--especially for a dude that's only been wrestling for a year. I'd like to--I can't believe I'm going to say this--have them put some of the matches with Big Show he's had on house show loops on TV to show a little more of what he can possibly do.

[slik]

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[Emperor Smeat]

where is emmalina

WWE probably forgot about her. Took them months to remember where they left Neville.

[Lock Jaw]

Bayley in attendance tonight. Terrible friend to Sasha, not coming to her rescue earlier......

[Lock Jaw]

Learning from the best faces

[DAMN iNATOR]

IT'S BAYLEY!!! :love:

[ClockShot]

Shouldn't Dana Brooke be out here for this too?

[ClockShot]

Charlotte, Sasha, Alicia Fox, Bayley, Nia Jax, Dana Brooke, pretty sure I'm missing someone else.

Not counting Lana. She's strictly a Valet.

[Emperor Smeat]

Going to be ridiculous if Bayley wins the title before Mania and/or they just hot potato the belt again for the new feud. Should really start this feud after the Rumble just to keep it fresh.

[DAMN iNATOR]

No Charlotte. "#1" is just the term used to describe YOU every week.

[DAMN iNATOR]

CHARLOTTE FEARS BAYLEY (and this will take the easy way out and lose via count-out).

[Emperor Smeat]

Charlotte, Sasha, Alicia Fox, Bayley, Nia Jax, Dana Brooke, pretty sure I'm missing someone else.

Not counting Lana. She's strictly a Valet.

Paige, Emma, and Summer but they've been no shows for way too long. At least in Summer's case, its due to being injured.

Funny thing about Lana is she's actually getting back to being a wrestler if recent NXT shows are any indication.

[DAMN iNATOR]

Charlotte, Sasha, Alicia Fox, Bayley, Nia Jax, Dana Brooke, pretty sure I'm missing someone else.

Not counting Lana. She's strictly a Valet.

The soon-to-re-debut Emma(lina)?

[DAMN iNATOR]

That's not entirely fair.

That's a lot of work to switch streams.

I don't hate Bayley, really. I just thing her promos are really boring and cringe-worthy sometimes, and I just cannot buy a belly to belly suplex as a devastating finisher. She's pretty good in the ring.

Her promos are excellent, IMHO. She may come off as shy, naïve, cute, innocent, harmless and timid on the mic, but her character being herself for a gimmick is what limits her promo style, and she works very well within those boundaries.

[slik]

wtf is bayley doing
finish ha charlotte

[DAMN iNATOR]

That's right, Charlotte, dear. Do what you do best and run when you can't take the heat in the kitchen.

[Evil Vito]

So if they actually decide to do a "FIRST TIME EVER!!!" women's Rumble and exclude the champs like the men, I'd guess we'll be looking at:

Alicia Fox
Bayley
Becky Lynch
Carmella
Dana Brooke
Naomi
Natalya
Nia Jax
Nikki Bella
Sasha Banks

That's 10 to start it off, but you can also give spots to the re-debuting Emmalina and Eva Marie. Maybe even take it to 15 by adding a few mystery entrants like the men's Rumble. Lita only just left but I wouldn't be surprised if she agreed to participate. I'd mark for a Sara Del Rey appearance.

[Savio]

Finally another Sing commercial

[Sepholio]

Can't wait for the gifs of Bayley doing some kind of strange mating ritual all over Charlotte's back.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

BKO

[Lock Jaw]

BAYLEY PINNED THE CHAMPION!!

WHAT DOES THIS MEAN FOR THIS SUNDAY NIGHT?!

[Evil Vito]

Bayley pinned the champion in a non-title match! Clearly this means she will do the same thing with the title on the line!

[DAMN iNATOR]

HERE IS YOUR WINNER --- IT'S BAYLEY!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Emperor Smeat]

Bayley's 3-0 vs Charlotte?

So she's like the Ellsworth of RAW right now.

[Dark One]

That's not entirely fair.

That's a lot of work to switch streams.

I don't hate Bayley, really. I just thing her promos are really boring and cringe-worthy sometimes, and I just cannot buy a belly to belly suplex as a devastating finisher. She's pretty good in the ring.

I ended up taking a long dump through most of this match.

Sorry.

[DAMN iNATOR]

BAYLEY PINNED THE CHAMPION!!

WHAT DOES THIS MEAN FOR THIS SUNDAY NIGHT?!

That Sunday night is Christmas Night?

[Lock Jaw]

Wish they were "more creative" and would build to a Bayley/Charlotte encounter without doing Bayley vs Charlotte with the champ being pinned

[Lock Jaw]

BOOGEN

[Sepholio]

Whoa they remembered Darren was supposed to be great again.

[DAMN iNATOR]

Bayley's 3-0 vs Charlotte?

So she's like the Ellsworth of RAW right now.

I'd like to stop you there. She's the female Shelton Benjamin. She didn't need help from some insane asshole to go on her winning streak.

[slik]

bring back dr shelby

[Emperor Smeat]

Why is Jinder in sensitivity training anyways?

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

whats the main if this is next? EMMALINA?!

[Sepholio]

I think jinder just destroyed enzo with his comeback....that was awesome.

[Lock Jaw]

Don't hinder Jinder

[Dark One]

Wish they were "more creative" and would build to a Bayley/Charlotte encounter without doing Bayley vs Charlotte with the champ being pinned

This is kind of the problem with the product now. The brand split helped a bit, because people aren't wrestling eight times a month leading up to the PPV--just four.

Still, most feuds are just "I beat you. You beat me! Let's keep fighting!" That's why stuff like Becky vs Charlotte at the beginning of the year worked so well. Even Miz/Ziggler, which was a lot of win trading, had an underlying story. Stuff doesn't have to be crazy over the top like Undertaker kidnapping Stephanie in order for it to have reasoning and stakes, but it seems like there's not a lot of thatgoin g on any more.

[Lock Jaw]

http://68.media.tumblr.com/38f1e0ee60ba25832c976fcc09086b55/tumblr_oi3taswF8R1u1ljrzo1_500.gif

[DAMN iNATOR]

Wish they were "more creative" and would build to a Bayley/Charlotte encounter without doing Bayley vs Charlotte with the champ being pinned

Such are the limitations of a RAW Women's division without the depth to make more compelling filler matches.

But hey, if BAYLEY keeps fighting week after week and winning until the other 3 in TPWWE Survivor are eliminated and/or she wins the title next April @ WM 33, I'm completely fine with it.

[DAMN iNATOR]

http://68.media.tumblr.com/38f1e0ee60ba25832c976fcc09086b55/tumblr_oi3taswF8R1u1ljrzo1_500.gif

For a brief second, I actually thought that was Ranjin Singh.

[Emperor Smeat]

This is kind of the problem with the product now. The brand split helped a bit, because people aren't wrestling eight times a month leading up to the PPV--just four.

Still, most feuds are just "I beat you. You beat me! Let's keep fighting!" That's why stuff like Becky vs Charlotte at the beginning of the year worked so well. Even Miz/Ziggler, which was a lot of win trading, had an underlying story. Stuff doesn't have to be crazy over the top like Undertaker kidnapping Stephanie in order for it to have reasoning and stakes, but it seems like there's not a lot of thatgoin g on any more.

On the downside, the brand split also meant a lot of feuds got stretched out way longer than they should have.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

EMMALINA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Emperor Smeat]

:lol: Emmalina's debut now downgraded back to "soon"

[Savio]

Jinder is still a pacifist or no?

[DAMN iNATOR]

LOL, certificates. The poor man's Participation Award.

[Savio]

Jinder is still a pacifist or no?

I guess not.

[Emperor Smeat]

Rusev's lesson in sensitivity is more beating for Enzo it seems.

[Savio]

Rusev is pissed Enzo failed sensitivity training.

[Lock Jaw]

This pairing of Rusev/Jinder not Euro enough

[Dark One]

Jinder is still a pacifist or no?

Apparently not.

[DAMN iNATOR]

Rusev's lesson in sensitivity is no more beating it to Lana for Enzo it seems.

FIXED

[Lock Jaw]

RAW in Chicago next week

CM Punk and AJ Lee returns CONFIRMED

[Lock Jaw]

Wish Mick Foley would come out and correct the way Roman is holding the title again......

[Evil Vito]

Enzo is booked like a creepy scumbag. I'm happy that happened to him.

[Lock Jaw]

With Roman fighting for the Universal Title at the Rumble again, I guess absolutely nothing happens with the US Title for another month.

[Evil Vito]

I could deal with crappy Enzo backstage segments if the end game is him getting the shit kicked out of him every week.

[DAMN iNATOR]

Now all we need is
http://dailywrestlingnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/Ambrose-attacks-Rollins.gif
and The Shield's re-reunion is back on.

[Evil Vito]

With Roman fighting for the Universal Title at the Rumble again, I guess absolutely nothing happens with the US Title for another month.

Owens will probably screw him out of the belt in the build up so that Reigns can take the "important" title at the PPV.

[Droford]

I'm further back but I found it funny that Backlund still has his Connors cure button on from September.

[Lock Jaw]

Owens will probably screw him out of the belt in the build up so that Reigns can take the "important" title at the PPV.

No way

They have to keep Roman strong going into the PPV


:shifty:

[Lock Jaw]

I'm further back but I found it funny that Backlund still has his Connors cure button on from September.

The organization exists year round. Maybe he just supports the cause.

[Lock Jaw]

"We want Sanity on RAW" sign......

[DAMN iNATOR]

Another Vin Diesel "Triple X" movie?!

Also why the hell does the logo for it look like the 2002-whenever red (lol)TNA logo?

[Droford]

So if they actually decide to do a "FIRST TIME EVER!!!" women's Rumble and exclude the champs like the men, I'd guess we'll be looking at:

Alicia Fox
Bayley
Becky Lynch
Carmella
Dana Brooke
Naomi
Natalya
Nia Jax
Nikki Bella
Sasha Banks

That's 10 to start it off, but you can also give spots to the re-debuting Emmalina and Eva Marie. Maybe even take it to 15 by adding a few mystery entrants like the men's Rumble. Lita only just left but I wouldn't be surprised if she agreed to participate. I'd mark for a Sara Del Rey appearance.
Mickie James obviously

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

The Winner: Asuka.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

NOBODY IS READY FOR ASUKA!

[Droford]

Still back further

Braun needs a shirt that just says "Or Else..."

[DAMN iNATOR]

Mickie James obviously

Asuka too. She will proceed to murder everyone else before declaring herself unified WWE Women's Champion. :shifty:

[Droford]

Still further back

R truth an Jericho should be the arachno-arcophobiacs

[Droford]

+1 for the Ellsworth Dechineration x sign
-5 for the wrong show though

[Lock Jaw]

Cut away of bored kid perfect right now

[DAMN iNATOR]

Been thinking...there could very well be a swerve ending here with Rollins legal and about to nail a pedigree before himself being pedigreed by Triple H when the ref is out or distracted, followed by Jericho nailing a Codebreaker for the 1-2-3.

[Dark One]

That bored fan is all of us.

[Emperor Smeat]

These random crowd shots for the match are pretty horrible.

[DAMN iNATOR]

LOL, commentators. "Foley's a shit GM, but we won't second-guess him, because yay RAW! #BRANDSPLIT"

[Lock Jaw]

SUPERMAN PUNCH!!! - Michael Cole

[Lock Jaw]

BRRRRAAAAAUUUUUUUNNNN!!!!!

[Lock Jaw]

Saving the day

[Evil Vito]

lol, Strowman/Reigns at WM is going to be a thing

[Evil Vito]

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Join the club, Zack...

[Emperor Smeat]

And just like that, the seeds for Reigns-Strowman at Mania got planted ... so did Reigns face onto the floor.

[Dark One]

Save_Us.BRAAAAAUUUUUUNNNNNNNN

[DAMN iNATOR]

BRAUUUUUUUNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN steaming THE RYBACK's gimmick.

[Emperor Smeat]

A good Braauuuning to end an overall meh RAW this week.

http://i.imgur.com/1wtKzhR.gif

[Dark One]

Clearly all part of Jericho's long term plan by having Braun on Talk'n'Shop

[Evil Vito]

I'm thinking Strowman and Cena will be the final 2 in the Rumble, with both going on to challenge for their brand's belts at Mania.

[Lock Jaw]

I'm thinking Renee Young will win the Royal Rumble

Think it is her time

[Emperor Smeat]

Can't wait for the gifs of Bayley doing some kind of strange mating ritual all over Charlotte's back.

http://i.imgur.com/aMRjpyI.gif

[slik]

lol, Strowman/Reigns at WM is going to be a thing

slik foretold this...bet all the other WM scoops won't seem so far fetched in the next month or so either.

[Droford]

I'm thinking Strowman and Cena will be the final 2 in the Rumble, with both going on to challenge for their brand's belts at Mania.

SD elimination chamber match will be #1 contender probably

[Droford]

I can't imagine Stroman winning the Rumble in front of 60+ thousand people. Just..blows my mind that could be their plan

[Dark One]

Her promos are excellent, IMHO. She may come off as shy, naïve, cute, innocent, harmless and timid on the mic, but her character being herself for a gimmick is what limits her promo style, and she works very well within those boundaries.

Because I'm an asshole:

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This is "I want to--uh--do--good--good lucha things. GODDAMN WOO" bad.

[Emperor Smeat]

I'm thinking Strowman and Cena will be the final 2 in the Rumble, with both going on to challenge for their brand's belts at Mania.

Might be the first time in a while the crowd doesn't cheer for either guy to win. Assumes both Taker and Reigns grab the WWE and Universal title at the event.

[Evil Vito]

Taker winning the Rumble in Texas would get a massive ovation, but it would require using the Cena record breaking title win at a show other than Mania.

Actually Cena might be "revered" enough by the smarks to get cheered at the Rumble.

[Ruien]

Braun is being built perfectly. Him winning the RR would not be so bad.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Bray is winning da Rumble.

[Emperor Smeat]

Taker winning the Rumble in Texas would get a massive ovation, but it would require using the Cena record breaking title win at a show other than Mania.

Actually Cena might be "revered" enough by the smarks to get cheered at the Rumble.

Taker winning the Rumble would be interesting since it would make a potential Cena-Taker match more unpredictable than if it was Taker as champ and Cena as challenger.

Maybe even back-off on Taker-Cena happening at Mania and save it for SummerSlam so Taker's talk about not wanting to be defined by Mania becomes true. Cena still gets to tie Flair's championship mark on a big ppv event since WWE has built up SummerSlam over the years to be seen as equal to Mania in status.

[Simple Fan]

Ok. A little drunk after a Christmas party and just started Raw but did they give Cesaro and Sheamus New belts that were the same but with a red strap? Hate those titles so much. Would have rather they made them look like the WWE and Womens titles. Damn it WWE you suck. New Day should have been given New titles win they broke the record that looked similar to the other titles. This is just dumb.

[Simple Fan]

A poll in the Raw Thread?

[Simple Fan]

Am kind in the right gbreD

[Simple Fan]

ugh. Am I in the right thread?

[Simple Fan]

Hate the look of those titles so much. Shame WWE for ever creating them. Ugly no matter what color strap.

[Simple Fan]

I'm just going to post as I watch Raw. So what if I'm late to the show.

[Simple Fan]

You can probably tell I'm at the Shame part of Raw.

[Simple Fan]

Shame because it's Sheamus and the crowd is shaming him. That's why I captizeef shame.

[Simple Fan]

capitalized

[Simple Fan]

I don't even want Gallows an Anderson to win those ugly titles.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

They won't.

[Simple Fan]

At least they got Neville in the cruiserweight division.

[Simple Fan]

Neville needs a mask to hide his ears.

[Simple Fan]

They won't.

Duck off you know they will.

[Simple Fan]

Damn it . Fuck off.

[Simple Fan]

O'Doyal Rules. Showman is an O'Doyal from Billy Maddison to me.

[Simple Fan]

I'm sorry Stroman.

[Simple Fan]

Bailey is not on Charlottes level at all. This is shit. Should have had either Trish or Mikey James interrupt her.

[Simple Fan]

Bailey is so horrible. She really doesn't belong. Charlotte is right.

[Droford]

Braun is being built perfectly. Him winning the RR would not be so bad.

WWE probably should be contacting you so they can make 60,000 clones of you in the next month. There's no way the crowd won't shit all over him winning. I can't even think of anyone who the crowd would hate more given Roman won't be in it.

[Simple Fan]

They got it backwards. Charlotte should be feuding with Nia and Daschle with Bayley.

[Simple Fan]

Sasha with Bayley.

[Simple Fan]

Charlotte is pretty .much Ric from the waist down. It's scary.

[Simple Fan]

That's dumb. Char is wHite better than that. Horrible booking.

[Simple Fan]

Enzo is so great. In a band and didn't play any instruments.

[Droford]

Imagine if Ellsworth beats AJ Styles and Stromsn wins the Rumble and he decides to challenge Ellsworth

Long term booking at its finest

[Simple Fan]

poor Enzo

[Droford]

Enzo is so great. In a band and didn't play any instruments.

https://grizzlybomb.files.wordpress.com/2012/10/three-man-band.jpeg?w=474&h=266

[Simple Fan]

Really what how Roman holds the US championship.

[Simple Fan]

Son of a bitch. Really hate how he holds the US Championship.

[Simple Fan]

Jericho should have been above the ring the whole show until this match.

[Droford]

Son of a bitch. Really hate how he holds the US Championship.

https://36.media.tumblr.com/245459ea19f2518d721859957aea0002/tumblr_noh16tpwQJ1tig3ymo4_500.jpg

[Simple Fan]

https://36.media.tumblr.com/245459ea19f2518d721859957aea0002/tumblr_noh16tpwQJ1tig3ymo4_500.jpg

Still better than Roman. At least I can see the title

[Simple Fan]

O'Doyal Rules

[Mr. Nerfect]

Dean Ambrose looked a lot better as a member of The Shield. It's like he had a reason to dress himself and go to work as a professional wrestler.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

http://i.imgur.com/aMRjpyI.gif

THIS IS WRASSLIN *CLAP CLAP CLAPCLAPCLAP*

[Big Vic]

Was it said on Raw who is in the wildcard triple threat for the smackdown tag titles?

I hope Spirit Squad is in there, haven't seen them since I read the news story that Kenny got fired from his job.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

Don't think so. Hoping for The Revival.

[Evil Vito]

WWE.com says the Wild Card triple threat will be Heath Slater vs. Konnor vs. Tyler Breeze. They and Ryder were the Final Four in the battle royal last week.

I assume Slater will win so they can squeeze one more Slater/Rhyno vs. Wyatts match out before they break up Slater and Rhyno. After that, they'll be out of face teams.

[Evil Vito]

I can't lie......I'm very oddly intrigued by the idea of Konnor winning that match and having a pseudo-face Ascension team get a shot against the Wyatts. It'd just be a filler program before Alpha get their chance but I think it could be fun.

[The CyNick]

So if they actually decide to do a "FIRST TIME EVER!!!" women's Rumble and exclude the champs like the men, I'd guess we'll be looking at:

Alicia Fox
Bayley
Becky Lynch
Carmella
Dana Brooke
Naomi
Natalya
Nia Jax
Nikki Bella
Sasha Banks

That's 10 to start it off, but you can also give spots to the re-debuting Emmalina and Eva Marie. Maybe even take it to 15 by adding a few mystery entrants like the men's Rumble. Lita only just left but I wouldn't be surprised if she agreed to participate. I'd mark for a Sara Del Rey appearance.

See I would throw the champs in there too. With the hook being each champ could win and challenge for the other title. Since it's the first ever women's Rumble, everyone should want to be in it. Only problem is I would want Charlotte to win and she's already champ.

I would throw in Maryse and Lana just to beef up the numbers.

And then yeah, throw in some vets like Mickie James, Lita, I forget if Trish is pregnant or just was pregnant. They could probably easily get 4/5 vets that would pop the crowd.

All in all 20 is a realistic number, which was the number they had for the first men's Rumble.

[Big Vic]

KHARMAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!

[Lock Jaw]

the green on the slik and lock jaw avatars confusing me.

Slik Jaw Investigations has gone green!

[Lock Jaw]

Just thought of that response.