NJPW Wrestle Kingdom 11 Discussion

[hb2k]

Not sure how many New Japan fans there are on the board, but we're doing a podcast on WK11 this week, and there simply has to be a place to discuss the show on the forum (unless I'm missing it). For those who haven't seen, the final four matches are fantastic, and the main event of Kazuchika Okada Vs. Kenny Omega is just sensational.

So - if you've seen it, thoughts on the show, favourite match, standout performances, are you a regular New Japan viewer, and what would you like to see coming out of it?

As always, if you've seen the event and leave some thoughts, we'll read them on the show and you'll be credited accordingly...

EDIT - The show taking your thoughts and discussing WrestleKingdom 11 is now online, and aailable at the following link: https://squaredcirclegazette.podbean.com/mf/download/w3yyjm/SCG_Radio_108_-_NJPW_WrestleKingdom_11_Review.mp3

[slik]

I still need to watch the show, I've heard the main-event was incredible.

[Innovator]

I already got what I wanted out of it


Minoru Suzuki is back

[slik]

I have gathered Dave Meltzer liked it


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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">4-5 a.m. last night <a href="https://t.co/h7DB6bA9Yp">https://t.co/h7DB6bA9Yp</a></p>&mdash; Dave Meltzer (@davemeltzerWON) <a href="https://twitter.com/davemeltzerWON/status/816925179397799936">January 5, 2017</a></blockquote>
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[Heisenberg]

How can we watch it respectfully? With honor as well.

[Evil Vito]

www.njpwworld.com

[slik]

Are all NJPW shows good/how is it different from WWE usually?

[slik]

Looks like the match will air in the U.S. on the tv channel AXS on January 13th


http://www.axs.tv/schedules/daily-schedules/?ads=8

[#BROKEN Hasney]

I already got what I wanted out of it


Minoru Suzuki is back


That was New Years Dash, which is FREE on NJPW world.

That fucking main event though, jesus. Meltzer ended up giving it 6 stars. I think it is the best I've ever witnessed.

[Bad News Gertner]

A bunch of Japs no selling everything and dropping each other on their heads 3/10

[Destor]

A bunch of Japs no selling everything and dropping each other on their heads 3/10
Japs do not no sell very often. The indie kids who mimic it fail to understand that as well.

[Destor]

NJPW catering to US audiences has hurt the product for me a bit but the product is still stellar.

[Innovator]

That was New Years Dash, which is FREE on NJPW world.

That fucking main event though, jesus. Meltzer ended up giving it 6 stars. I think it is the best I've ever witnessed.

Main event was fantasmic.

[Bad News Gertner]

Japs do not no sell very often. The indie kids who mimic it fail to understand that as well.

They kick out of each other's finishers 55 times during a match. How would you explain that? Not trying to be argumentative, just asking. "Fighting spirit" is not an acceptable answer lol

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Depends on your taste Gerts.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

I'd rather watch an NJPW match than RAW.

But I'd rather watch American wrestling from the 80s-2000 over anything from NJPW and after 2001 pretty much

[Bad News Gertner]

Nothing to do with taste. Just responding to Destor's comment about them not no selling when the vast majority of these matches are Shibata hitting the PK 75 times during a match, or Okada hitting the Rainmaker 5000 times and not getting a pin. Isn't that no selling?

[#BROKEN Hasney]

I hate the idea of finishing moves, so I prefer it. No-one kicked out of a rainmaker in about 2 years though? No-ones kicked out of the One Winged Angel either.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

the psycology is more akin to a fight, so their signature move is not a finishing move.

[Destor]

They kick out of each other's finishers 55 times during a match. How would you explain that? Not trying to be argumentative, just asking. "Fighting spirit" is not an acceptable answer lol

Nothing to do with taste. Just responding to Destor's comment about them not no selling when the vast majority of these matches are Shibata hitting the PK 75 times during a match, or Okada hitting the Rainmaker 5000 times and not getting a pin. Isn't that no selling?
Because finishers arent magic in Puro. They can go over with a lariat as easily as their "finisher."


For us finishers are this cartoony thing that once hit you die for 3 seconds. In japan it's like a boxer having a good right hook. He get a lot of knock outs with it but every right hook doesnt win the fight.

[Volare]

Omega's V-Trigger Running Knee is the best damn thing in this business.

[Volare]

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[Damian Rey 2.0]

From what I've gathered, the finishers aren't finishers but the guys best move. They do sometimes finish the match but not always.

It's no different than WWE having the Rock kick out of 2 or 3 stunners in a match or Lesnar hitting multiple F5s or Taker hitting multiple tombstones.

It's structured a different way so I don't really mind it. I don't think they no sell any less than WWE

[Destor]

From what I've gathered, the finishers aren't finishers but the guys best move. They do sometimes finish the match but not always.

It's no different than WWE having the Rock kick out of 2 or 3 stunners in a match or Lesnar hitting multiple F5s or Taker hitting multiple tombstones.

It's structured a different way so I don't really mind it. I don't think they no sell any less than WWE

Oh its very different. One makes sense and the other absolutely doesnt.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Yeah to me Japanese matches seem like realistic struggles, whereas WWE matches look blatantly choreographed... just do things so they can get to the next spot.

I mean I don't watch like any NJPW but just from what I've seen.

Even the "great" wwe matches lose me because it all seems so ho hum.

[Destor]

I certainly have a preference but im not saying the western take is inherently bad its just is really laughable psychology

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

there's definitely stuff I like, but for a product that's supposed to be about "telling stories" in the ring, a lot of those stories seem to revolve around overly choreographed moves.

[Jordan]

I stayed up late and bought New Japan World for this show. It was a great choice, totally fun, amazing show. Last four matches were insane and the main was just the perfect culmination of such an event.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

there's definitely stuff I like, but for a product that's supposed to be about "telling stories" in the ring, a lot of those stories seem to revolve around overly choreographed moves.

So it's professional wrestling then.

[Simple Fan]

Haven't watched yet other than a few clips here and there. Will watch next week on AXS TV.

[Simple Fan]

Are all NJPW shows good/how is it different from WWE usually?

It's not politically correct PG bullshit like most things WWE. Wrestling is a lot more intense as well. Finishers are taken serious unlike in WWE where the Styles Clash is pretty much just another move now. For me it's just closer to the wrestling that I grew up watching as opposed to what WWE is today.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

So it's professional wrestling then.

It's hard to put it in words, but the transitions seem almost like they're waiting for something to happen, going from spot to spot versus telling a natural story.

Whereas what I see of Japan, each spot transitions naturally.

[Emperor Smeat]

Thought it was great overall.

Main event was amazing but so was the IC match between Naito and Tanahashi.

[Destor]

It's hard to put it in words, but the transitions seem almost like they're waiting for something to happen, going from spot to spot versus telling a natural story.

Whereas what I see of Japan, each spot transitions naturally.

Puro comes off as a more of a struggle. There are structural reasons for this. I definitely understanding what youre saying.

[Innovator]

It's hard to put it in words, but the transitions seem almost like they're waiting for something to happen, going from spot to spot versus telling a natural story.

Whereas what I see of Japan, each spot transitions naturally.

A lot more picking guys up to do a move rather than standing and waiting for them to get up, little things.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Oh its very different. One makes sense and the other absolutely doesnt.

A good example is that suplex Owens hits off the second rope. How the fuck is that not enough to kill a guy but a poppa powerbomb is?

Or Cena's top rope leg drop.

The matches in NJPW just make morev sense. They also flow and build to their crescendo much better. And the action is much more back and forth.

Here's the other thing I really like; there's a seemingly set hierarchy in terms of talent. Ishii is good, but he's not as good as Shibata, but Shibata isn't as good as Okada (yet). Shibata also jobbed to Yugi Nagata, who's a legend and last I saw just a tick above Shibata at the time if their title exchange.

Same with Hirooki Goto. He's a stud, but not quite as good as the upper echelon guys.

Naito and Tanahashi are fucking great, but maybe not quite as great as Okada.

There's a clear pecking order. Outside of what, 6 guys, can you really say that for WWE?

[Destor]

My favorite thing about puro vs the states is that here i sell a move so that audoence sees it. That way i can overcome my pain later for a triumph. There the psychology is the wrestler is trying not to show pain even though he is in pain. The default assumption is everything hurts. So the sells are the subtle registers. Just giving a flinch after a strike for example and being down long enough to be covered but npt even giving a one count. and then you can get a big pay off by simply selling to a knee and quickly recovering and pay off huge with a double down and even more so by just giving something away with a full blown sell. There are so many more facets to the work that its just much more rewarding as a worker and a fan.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I can't remember if it was you guys I have heard talking about the faces Kenny Omega pulls. They do the Terminator stuff with him, which was goofy, but in the way that you can imagine a wrestler having a goofy entrance for a big match. But then he comes out pulling these weird faces. I've only seen the entrance, but it still makes me think that Kenny Omega is a bit ridiculous.

Anyway, it's a bit off-topic, but feel free to answer it if you want a break from the New Japan stuff: Who in wrestling do you think pulls the best facial expressions? And who has the worst?

P.S. Fuck The Young Bucks. Does anyone else find them flippin' boring? Pun intended. There's no meat with the potatoes...or is it potatoes with the meat? It can't be the latter, because there is certainly nothing meaty about The Young Bucks--except the giant metaphorical dick they collectively have in the mouths of we, the modern internet fan. I'm not sure if they personally have done this, but I'm getting sick of independent wrestlers who do a whole bunch of meaningless, vapid shit an "evolution of the art form" when they have stripped their matches of all psychology. A cinematic equivalent (and I ususally hate these about wrestling, because they're more than a little different) is removing all plot, character and structure from your film. These guys aren't producing "art," they are producing your latest Michael Bay blockbuster where you can barely tell the fighting robots apart. The Young Bucks might be genuinely aware they are doing that to draw attention to themselves, but they are at least enablers of that vapid style.

Sorry if you have any fans of that style around The Big Oaken Table, but their attention span has probably lapsed by now and they stopped listening by the time I got to "pun intended." I quite like Trent Baretta though. I hope he's improving leaps and bounds over there.

Oh, and Happy fucking New Year.

[Destor]

Theyre the worst thing in boots today

[Mr. Nerfect]

Not all New Japan is like that, of course. I haven't seen much of Tanahashi, but he strikes me as one of the best babyfaces ever. I've heard him described as New Japan's John Cena, and while there are certainly similarities, and being compared to John Cena isn't exactly a terrible thing these days, Tanahashi reminds me more of a Shawn Michaels or Eddie Guerrero. He's just so damn good.

[Mr. Nerfect]

New Japan is obviously still in a state of rebuilding after losing AJ Styles, Nakamura, Anderson & Gallows. They've obviously moving forward with talent like Omega and Elgin, but I'd like to know who you would choose, if you have an opinion, to be built up as the future of New Japan.

I've never really gotten into a flow of watching New Japan, so this might be a completely inappropriate suggestion, but I feel Shibata has a bad-ass charisma that could lend itself well to the main event scene. Is there anyone not currently in Japan that you'd like to see them bring over and build around?

[#BROKEN Hasney]

Shibatas great and it looks like he might feud with Osprey which would be interesting. Suzuki Gun have just come back as a faction and they're looking to get Okada it seems.

Just don't sleep on Omega because of "faces" or whatever dumb reason though. AJ Styles has lots of stupid faces all the time and Omega and Okada probably had a match that AJ's NJPW body of work may not have beaten. Going to take some re-watches.

Hell, Omega's G1 and his finals match with Naito were outstanding to. The booker has called him the best forigener in NJPW so thankfully we should see Omega up top for a while yet. I know he doesn't want to go to WWE, but I wonder what will happen when they come knocking and they offer him an AJ deal.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I'll go and re-watch that match. I just struggle to find I get into Omega. I do like that he walked away from WWE to get better though. I admire CJ Parker for the same reason. Honestly think that dude is going to end up back in the WWE and be a relatively big deal for them. He fits that "WWE mold" thing, even though he looks a bit like a giant Peter Dinklage.

[Mr. Nerfect]

This might be a Japanese thing that I don't get, but I really wish Ibushi was just Ibushi. It sounds like his match was over really quick too. The Tiger the Black gimmick will probably help ACH gain some notoriety, but why is Ibushi doing this Tiger Mask W thing?

[#BROKEN Hasney]

Yeah, CJ looked good too. Still hasn't found a character which would be the only thing holding him back in WWE. Think if Wade feels like wrestling again, he'll likely end up over there.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

This might be a Japanese thing that I don't get, but I really wish Ibushi was just Ibushi. It sounds like his match was over really quick too. The Tiger the Black gimmick will probably help ACH gain some notoriety, but why is Ibushi doing this Tiger Mask W thing?

Because Ibushi wanted to. He just gets to do whatever stupid thing makes him happy, like he wrestles occasionally at a tiny US Indie that has people dressed up as Godzilla and scale model cities in the ring because he finds it fun.

It's not even a Japanese thing. It's an Ibushi thing.

[Emperor Smeat]

This might be a Japanese thing that I don't get, but I really wish Ibushi was just Ibushi. It sounds like his match was over really quick too. The Tiger the Black gimmick will probably help ACH gain some notoriety, but why is Ibushi doing this Tiger Mask W thing?

Like Hasney said, its because he really wanted to do it when it got announced the Tiger vs Tiger match was happening. Probably is a big fan of the anime as well which made it easier for him to make the decision.

He's made it clear several times recently he really loves being a freelancer and doing a wide variety of things than having to be stuck in a certain company or style of wrestling. NJPW tried as much as the WWE in recent times to get him to stay but he kept refusing.

[Jordan]

I actually LOVED the Tiger Mask W vs Tigre Dark match.... so cool, simple, great big show opener. I'm a big fan of Kota and how he works his career his way.

This show meant a lot to me, staying up so late to see it. Made me feel like a kid. I was literally on the WON board and reading the thread just about three hours before and I was like "man just do it for your 14 year old Best of Super Junior Cup tape trading ass".

And Noid I don't think NJPW is in a rebuilding phase. They have four huge stars, Tana, Okada, Kenny, and Shibata. A strong crew of undercards, and Juniors that can draw. Maybe Cody gets hot, then boom, back on top with the best roster in the world.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

I'd put Naito up there as well as a big star. Insanely over and easily a top performer.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Naito has had a tremendous year or so. I just cannot accept Omega as a top star. I don't know what it is, but he reminds me of Seth Rollins as WWE Champion. There's something...well, yeah, he's technically there about it. This is just my perception. AJ Styles had this big time feel about him, and Devitt carved out this niche in the Junior Heavyweight Division. They feel like gaijin "stars" tome. Omega feels like a dude you plug into their spot. I dunno, maybe I am being cynical. I know they gave him the G1 and that tournament is pretty prestigious.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Do you think NJPW has too many championships? It's a bit of a gag how many belts there are. If you were to condense the number of accolades in New Japan, which titles do you cull?

I'd keep:

* The IWGP Heavyweight Title. Obviously.

* The IC Title. I think it has successfully been established as an A2 championship. The IC Title is more meaningful to New Japan than the Universal Title is to the WWE, for example. Tanahashi and Nakamura deserve a lot of praise for that, and now Naito makes it look like a big deal.

* The Junior Heavyweight Title. Building around KUSHIDA seems like a smart idea. Maybe Will Ospreay will become something more "dense" and be able to hang in the division. I'm sure there are other guys coming through that can add to this division too. I feel this is where Kenny Omega's niche should be, but many would probably disagree.

* A set of Tag Titles. Probably not the Junior Tag Team Titles, because I feel that they are kind of thrown on two guys and just used in spotfests that people are getting way too used to. Probably just keep the IWGP Tag Titles and move them away from teams that are, well, shit.

* NEVER Openweight Title. You can't always see what they are planning to do with this belt, but that does somewhat make it interesting. At the very least, this can be the mid-card title that the IC belt really isn't.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I will be stepping away from Japan to reassess my future. The path of my journey may change, but my goals will not. <a href="https://t.co/E4vDiGgAwe">pic.twitter.com/E4vDiGgAwe</a></p>&mdash; Kenny Omega (@KennyOmegamanX) <a href="https://twitter.com/KennyOmegamanX/status/817323227886125056">January 6, 2017</a></blockquote>
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Well... Fuck.

Could WWE really get NJPWs top gaijin two years in a row and shove him in the Rumble?

[#BROKEN Hasney]

Tescos hot take:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/PuroPodcast">@PuroPodcast</a> Hi Puro, personally I'd say it looked painful but made for a great match. Glad you like our sausage rolls. :) TY - Paul</p>&mdash; Tesco (@Tesco) <a href="https://twitter.com/Tesco/status/817216361151819776">January 6, 2017</a></blockquote>
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[Evil Vito]

I mean, Omega just days ago was quoted as saying that the WWE Title means absolutely nothing because they hot potato it. And like a week ago he expressed annoyance at them trying to monopolize wrestling.

SEEMS tough to imagine that he'd say all of these things if he were actually going to WWE, but then again who knows.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

Well either his tweet is a work, or his WWE talk is a work... Or he's going to wrestle around with Ibushi and have fun again. These fucking carnies, man.

[Evil Vito]

Kenny just knows how to build his own hype. It makes sense for him to chill out for a bit and let everyone come down from the orgasm that was that match.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

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[Heisenberg]

Wendy's and Denny's are constantly keeping their ears to the streets on Twitter

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Omega is right there as an emerging star. He's had one of the greatest progressions I've seen over the last year. I think if you watched his matches and character work, Noid, you'd come around.

The difference I see between Omega and Rollins is that Rollins is limited in what he can say and do, and comes off scripted and not at all genuine. Omega, on the other hand, comes off as a natural and its as if he's just being his annoying ridiculous self.

Granted that's likely the environment they're in as Rollins is handed scripts and Omega probably isn't. But it's nonetheless a big difference.

And I agree with the choice of what belts to keep. I don't mind the Jr heavyweight tag belts, but the 6 man belts need to go. Don't care for them at all.

[Simple Fan]

Do you think NJPW has too many championships? It's a bit of a gag how many belts there are. If you were to condense the number of accolades in New Japan, which titles do you cull?

I'd keep:

* The IWGP Heavyweight Title. Obviously.

* The IC Title. I think it has successfully been established as an A2 championship. The IC Title is more meaningful to New Japan than the Universal Title is to the WWE, for example. Tanahashi and Nakamura deserve a lot of praise for that, and now Naito makes it look like a big deal.

* The Junior Heavyweight Title. Building around KUSHIDA seems like a smart idea. Maybe Will Ospreay will become something more "dense" and be able to hang in the division. I'm sure there are other guys coming through that can add to this division too. I feel this is where Kenny Omega's niche should be, but many would probably disagree.

* A set of Tag Titles. Probably not the Junior Tag Team Titles, because I feel that they are kind of thrown on two guys and just used in spotfests that people are getting way too used to. Probably just keep the IWGP Tag Titles and move them away from teams that are, well, shit.

* NEVER Openweight Title. You can't always see what they are planning to do with this belt, but that does somewhat make it interesting. At the very least, this can be the mid-card title that the IC belt really isn't.

I think they do a great job of booking their titles and don't want to see them drop any. Their divisions are a lot more defined than in WWE as well. They use their lower teir titles to progress a talent up the card. I think the number of titles they are at is perfect.

If they were to drop a title I'd say it would be the NEVER Openweight title as Shibata has mentioned the possibility of retiring it recently. They don't need anymore titles though I'll say that.

[Sixx]

is the pay in japan even remotely comparable to that in wwe?

[Simple Fan]

I'd say not but it's a lighter schedule. A lot of American talents can book themselves in the Indus in USA and work ROH as well. I'd say they could probably make close to what WWE offered them but WWE could afford to offer way more than any other company if they really wanted a talent.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

I think it's reported that even Okada is only on $500k a year, but he is able to supplement his income working other dates for other companies.

[Destor]

is the pay in japan even remotely comparable to that in wwe?
The pay is good until you get taxed bringing it back into the states

[Sixx]

well, then maybe they should just stick around in japan for a while. didn't watch a whole lut of this stuff, but it looks like they're having fun. especially that kenny omega guy.

can't even imagine what retarded gimmick and name he'd get in wwe.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Great match. Final sequence dragged but it was still awesome.

[Emperor Smeat]

I think it's reported that even Okada is only on $500k a year, but he is able to supplement his income working other dates for other companies.

Think some might even have sponsorship deals like Finn Balor before he went to the WWE.

His was worth a few hundred of thousands of dollars and WWE had to buy out the deal in order to get him to sign.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

I'm gonna try and watch this Sunday after signing up last night. Hoping to be able to contribute for the show.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I don't believe Omega will be going to the WWE just yet. A few years, maybe, but he's still increasing his value on that scene. I imagine his tweet is just him selling his loss, which I actually really like. I wish more people would do that, and it's a major thing lacking from the WWE. The New Day losing the belts one week and then playing with umbrellas the next is the sort of thing that WWE is in a bad habit of doing, and will be hard to re-train if a proper alternative pops up.

Omega will be a big part of New Japan's alleged expansion into the US. If they continue to work with ROH, then it really wouldn't surprise me to see Omega win the ROH World Title as a "stepping stone" towards his ultimate goal of the IWGP Heavyweight Title.

Personally, I'd like to see New Japan start up a working relationship with Pacific Coast Wrestling. They're only like a year into operating, but they seem to take something resembling a more serious sports-based approach to wrestling. Their website has rankings for their belts, but they also have a list of most popular and most hated. Rob Van Dam is their current champion and he won the belt from Pentagon, Jr, who people seem to love from Lucha Underground.

Having a PCW Heavyweight Title match between Rob Van Dam and Kenny Omega as Okada defends the IWGP Title against Tanahashi, or something, would be a good way to segue people into the New Japan product.

[Volare]

GoD with the 3rd member??

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Welcome to New Japan Pro Wrestling young lion. Show 'em where you come from <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/littletallbrother?src=hash">#littletallbrother</a> . <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/theFifitaclan?src=hash">#theFifitaclan</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/theChosenOne?src=hash">#theChosenOne</a> <a href="https://t.co/nBgj6n4MPP">pic.twitter.com/nBgj6n4MPP</a></p>&mdash; theBadBoy_TamaTonga (@Tama_Tonga) <a href="https://twitter.com/Tama_Tonga/status/817334630705729536">January 6, 2017</a></blockquote>
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[Evil Vito]

I could easily jerk off to the last 8 minutes of Okada/Omega.

[Volare]

Honestly, watching the whole WK11 card brought me back. As in two men with some kind of beef and I could feel it by either their walk or their attitude towards each other without Corino or Kelly telling me 10000x times what I "need to know."

Corino and Kelly brought me up to speed in 1 minute in each scenario where I didn't know what's going on. And it was told well by both in the story of the match and the significance of the wrestler's move set, and in the commentary provided letting the audience know if there was a weak point or a reason behind said maneuver.

Could watch (and probably will) this whole card 100 times over.

[Emperor Smeat]

Personally, I'd like to see New Japan start up a working relationship with Pacific Coast Wrestling. They're only like a year into operating, but they seem to take something resembling a more serious sports-based approach to wrestling. Their website has rankings for their belts, but they also have a list of most popular and most hated. Rob Van Dam is their current champion and he won the belt from Pentagon, Jr, who people seem to love from Lucha Underground.

Having a PCW Heavyweight Title match between Rob Van Dam and Kenny Omega as Okada defends the IWGP Title against Tanahashi, or something, would be a good way to segue people into the New Japan product.

Doubt they would even bother to do it mainly because PCW is likely too small for their expansion plans. The current AXS tv deal probably does a better job of seguing people into NJPW than what PCW could provide.

If they really wanted to expand more into the west coast, a deal with PWG would probably be a better option and a good supplement to their ROH partnership. They already have a couple of wrestlers who wrestle there and NJPW is probably going to be a lot more picky on partner deals considering only ROH has worked for them while others like GFW, TNA, and NWA ended up being big busts.

[slik]

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[#BROKEN Hasney]

I think Kenny is staying. Looking at New Years Dash, the Bullet Club are a joke right now and have become yet another stable like CHAOS. Since Suzuki-Gun are back and going to be the new harasses for a while, I'd love for Adam Cole (BAY BAY. ADAM COLE BAY BAY) to take over and then have Kenny come back as a face to deal with him and then go for the world title.

The path changing could also mean he's signing one of those ROH combined deals. Would be ace if he beat Cole for that title and then went onto challenge Okada or whoever for the title again and have both.

I could easily jerk off to the last 8 minutes of Okada/Omega.

Wait, I thought we all did.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Well i haven't watched it yet so my jerk off has yet to come

[Volare]

Damian we await your reaction when you do!

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Prob gonna be very sticky

[#1-norm-fan]

From what I've seen, Kenny Omega seems like a perfect WWE star. He's got a good look, tons of charisma, great in the ring. Seems long overdue for him to go to WWE.

[mike adamle]

Yeah and I heard New Japan plans on replacing Kenny Omega as Bullet Club leader with Rhett Titus taking over. Hopefully he gets over in Japan as he'll have a tough time following Omega

[Simple Fan]

Yeah and I heard New Japan plans on replacing Kenny Omega as Bullet Club leader with Rhett Titus taking over. Hopefully he gets over in Japan as he'll have a tough time following Omega

Please no. Rhett Titus just doesn't seem like a fit for the Bullet Club. If Omega leaves I think Cody Rhodes would be the best fit to be the new leader. That or make a strong offer to keep him away from WWE a bit konger and make Adam Cole the leader.

[mike adamle]

I wonder if Rhett Titus will bring The Cabinet to NJPW and into Bullet Club with him

[Mr. Nerfect]

Adam Cole or Cody Rhodes is the way to go. Omega himself seems like a step down merely in terms of stature in the industry. Cole has at least been ROH World Champion and Cody is Cody.

[Vastardikai]

P.S. Fuck The Young Bucks. Does anyone else find them flippin' boring? Pun intended. There's no meat with the potatoes...or is it potatoes with the meat? It can't be the latter, because there is certainly nothing meaty about The Young Bucks--except the giant metaphorical dick they collectively have in the mouths of we, the modern internet fan. I'm not sure if they personally have done this, but I'm getting sick of independent wrestlers who do a whole bunch of meaningless, vapid shit an "evolution of the art form" when they have stripped their matches of all psychology. A cinematic equivalent (and I ususally hate these about wrestling, because they're more than a little different) is removing all plot, character and structure from your film. These guys aren't producing "art," they are producing your latest Michael Bay blockbuster where you can barely tell the fighting robots apart. The Young Bucks might be genuinely aware they are doing that to draw attention to themselves, but they are at least enablers of that vapid style.

I watched the 4 tag title match from Wrestle Kingdom 10, After "More Bang For Your Buck" got the win, I was like "That's it?" As in, how was that series any different from the 7 other major sequences like that we got from them, RPG Vice, Sydal and Ricochet, reDRagon?

Which is what they mean by burying your shit by trying to get it all in.

[Simple Fan]

I wonder if Rhett Titus will bring The Cabinet to NJPW and into Bullet Club with him

They dropped the Cabinet gimmick and are now the Rebellion. Said ROH made them parade around like that and they were tired of it.

[Evil Vito]

This show = http://d3ug2uwhu7fmq8.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/randy_marsh_jizz_all_over_keyboard_gaslight_anthem_brand_new_cover_expression-620x465.jpg

[Evil Vito]

http://i.imgur.com/9SmEiqm.jpg

[Droford]

Finally got around to seeing the main event. Was great and probably would have been a better overall experience live not spoiled. Was amused I still got had by a couple of Omegas near falls even though I knew he lost.
Ps I always feel the need to mention I've seen several NJPW guys in person when I went to War of the Worlds 2 years ago in Philly.

[hb2k]

The latest Squared Circle Gazette Radio is now online, reviewing WrestleKingdom 11. Breaking down every match, we look at the finer aspects of a tremendous show, as well as dish out criticism where needed, and take your feedback on the big event. Talking six star ratings, the utter greatness of Hiroshi Tanahashi, the growth of Tetsuya Naito, underused talent, the impending rise of the Juniors, Okada Vs. Omega and much more. Check it out and let us know what you think!

https://squaredcirclegazette.podbean.com/mf/download/w3yyjm/SCG_Radio_108_-_NJPW_WrestleKingdom_11_Review.mp3

[Sixx]

just watched the main event more or less whole way through.

weird how that bullet club didn't try and attack okada, only helping omega get up, setting up the table, etc.

in wwe they'd be lumberjacking the shit outta him every time the ref looked the other way.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

The thing I love the most about the table spot is that the trainers check on Kenny for a couple to seconds, then go and fix the table

[Mr. Nerfect]

I watched Okada/Omega. Good stuff. Omega looked "solid," in the sense that he lived up to the pressure of delivering in a Tokyo Dome main event, which I think is high enough praise (and indeed some of the highest) without being hyperbolic. I completely agree with the SCG team -- I never want to see that Dragon Superplex again. To be honest, the match didn't hold my attention completely throughout its duration. Maybe I just look for different things these days, or because I watched it in isolation and not as the crescendo to the show, but thinking back to it now, I cannot quite put it into order in my mind. But that's fine. I feel like I can say it wasn't a perfect match without being snarky.

I definitely think the right choice was to keep the belt on Okada. I'm not too familiar with the flow of things with Japanese booking, but they seem to treat their "tentpole" victories as being meaningful, and after beating Tanahashi at WrestleKingdom 10, Okada needed to prove that he can be "the guy" and run with the ball. Omega can reflect on the loss and get another title shot, lose that too, then lose to Elgin in Vancouver or something, and eventually either Cole or CODY can kick him out of The Bullet Club and he can be set up as a major babyface without being the A1 guy.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I wonder if they've realized that going balls to the wall isn't going to work with Hirooki Goto, so they've just jammed him into the NEVER Openweight Title scene as his own little niche?

I'm not a big fan of The Young Bucks, but their gimmick with all the belts would have been an easy way to get both sets of IWGP Tag Titles into one place. I agree with Karl in that I don't think you should scrap the divisions, especially with KUSHIDA and Takahashi gaining a lot from the division as singles guys, but I think you can unify the Tag Titles without drumming up too many complaints. It may have meant more to do The Young Bucks vs. Honma & Kojima or something at this show. I dunno, I'm just spitballing there, and you don't want to overcharge every show, but I'll throw it out there.

I like the objective balance of the SCG Radio review. It'll be interesting to see if this good will towards NJPW translates into more New Japan World subscriptions and how their alleged expansion into the United States goes.

[Sixx]

why don;t you ever want to see that superplex again, noid?

i thought it looked cool.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Just no need to land on your neck like that, haha.

[Sixx]

if he doesn't mind then i'm all for it :)

[Mr. Nerfect]

It will have diminishing returns too. It will be less and less cool every time you see it. I think it will live on better in the mind as a memory.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

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[Corporate CockSnogger]

I watched this after some guy I know was banging on about it. I didn't really care about watching a good match or not, I'm sure there's been plenty of good moments since I stopped watching wrestling but I've not been tempted to watch.

But he sent me a link to it, and I had a bit of free time so I gave it a go. And there was nothing in it that was new or overly impressive. I dunno, didn't see the big deal with it at all. Like it was fine, but I didn't see anything revolutionary.

[Evil Vito]

I feel like if you stop watching wrestling long enough, it's damn near impossible to get back into it no matter what is presented.

I'm quite certain most of the lapsed fans who came back because they'd heard The Rock was back would've gone right back to not watching even if WMs 27-29 (take your pick) blew everybody's nips off. With wrestling there just seems to be a point of no return in terms of being able to regain total interest.

[Sixx]

it looked pretty cool. i mean, the beginning was awful, like 800 armbars or whatever.

but some of those over the rope moves were pretty rad and i'm not usually into it very much.

still, i skipped a lot, because there's no way i could watch 45 or so minutes of a wrestling match. maybe 15 years ago, but not these days.

[Corporate CockSnogger]

Lol yeah. I had no idea how long it was on for and like 15 minutes in I was ready for it to end.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

why don;t you ever want to see that superplex again, noid?

i thought it looked cool.

Young Bucks would probably get right up from it, superkick the guy and then say suck it and whatever 20 year old catch phrases they weren't even old enough to watch.

[Sixx]

Young Bucks would probably get right up from it, superkick the guy and then say suck it and whatever 20 year old catch phrases they weren't even old enough to watch.

they're both around my age, one is older, one's a bit younger.

surely they watched suck it, if even i did.

[#1-norm-fan]

After watching most of it I imagine if I had been invested in the story leading up to it it would have been one of the best matches ever. Really good drama. I just can't "feel" a match when I'm not emotionally invested in the characters. Unlike with WWE though, it's probably more my fault for not being able to get into New Japan and not their fault for being shitty at building up guys.

[Corporate CockSnogger]

I'll say one thing though. The commentary was really good. It wasn't full of annoying characters with annoying catchphrases chatting bollocks to one another. Made it seem like a legit sport.

[screech]

Watched the main event, knowing nothing of either guy, and thought it was awesome.

[Mr. Nerfect]

After watching most of it I imagine if I had been invested in the story leading up to it it would have been one of the best matches ever. Really good drama. I just can't "feel" a match when I'm not emotionally invested in the characters. Unlike with WWE though, it's probably more my fault for not being able to get into New Japan and not their fault for being shitty at building up guys.

I might be in this boat. I don't know if it would be "best matches ever" worthy, but it might have resonated with me more.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I'll say one thing though. The commentary was really good. It wasn't full of annoying characters with annoying catchphrases chatting bollocks to one another. Made it seem like a legit sport.

I liked the commentary more than I would a RAW or SmackDown, and there were two moments where I thought "That was good insight," but apart from that I could have left it. :-\

[screech]

It was good to at least hear them call action rather than yell at each other, ignoring what's happening.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

It was Striker right? He can go on for a bit. He knows his stuff though. Will try to catch JR and Barnett on AXS this week. JR does have a bit of a low-key tone on this stuff now though.

[#1-norm-fan]

I'll say one thing though. The commentary was really good. It wasn't full of annoying characters with annoying catchphrases chatting bollocks to one another. Made it seem like a legit sport.

Thought their banter just as the match was about to begin about the language barrier was "real" and pretty cool.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Ross isn't exciting to me anymore. He's whatever. Kevin Kelly and Steve Corino I believe are the commentators.

[Volare]

Sweet moment was when Naito recognized Corino and did the LIJ sign with him.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

Couldn't stand KK and Corino. I had New Legacy Inc talking over them.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

Omega:

https://abload.de/img/c1uqiruukaerptk87sif.jpg

Really glad he's making his time off make sense. He gave that match everything and came up short so he needs to be off.

[Innovator]

Sounds like he'll come back as a face

[Jordan]

Maybe he does come as a face to take the title from Suzuki who takes it from Okada, then Okada wins G1 and faces Omega again at the dome next year.

[Heisenberg]

NJPW has a got a friend in me /RandyNewman

[Innovator]

Maybe he does come as a face to take the title from Suzuki who takes it from Okada, then Okada wins G1 and faces Omega again at the dome next year.

If it means IWGP Heavyweight Champion Minoru Suzuki, I'm ok with it.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

According to DA MELTZ, Omegas contract ends January 31st and he is taking time off until March.

[Simple Fan]

What are the chances that they send Bullet Club to ROH or somewhere else for most of 2017 to make room for Suzuki Gun as the top heels in Japan for a while. Seems like the Bullet Club is down right now losing most their titles at Wrestle Kingdom. Only BC members that won were Adam Cole and Cody Rhodes.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

I dunno, stables are very different in NJPW. Like Suzuki gun were just kind of there a couple of years ago before they invaded NOAH and CHAOS barely do anything as a team.

Bullet Club is a bit special because of how much merch they sell outside of Japan, so not sure what they'll do with them.

[Jordan]

Maybe BC will attempt to deal with the Suzuki Gun raid.

[Jordan]

They are all babyfaces anyway.

[Jordan]

I'm not a Bullet Club guy because it's very unoriginal, just DX and NWO combined. Probably my least favorite gimmick in NJPW.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

https://youtu.be/ZXfzoZDmauk

"faces"

[Volare]

That match was fun to watch!

[Simple Fan]

I dunno, stables are very different in NJPW. Like Suzuki gun were just kind of there a couple of years ago before they invaded NOAH and CHAOS barely do anything as a team.

Bullet Club is a bit special because of how much merch they sell outside of Japan, so not sure what they'll do with them.

Yeah that one of the things I like about NJPWs stables. They are more like alliances. Just seems like with Kenny taking time off and Bullet Club being on a down swing at the moment t in Japan that they might send them on an excursion for a while so Suzuki Gun can takeover. With them looking to expand to the United States this year having BC in USA could do them some favors. I don't know but I feel like Kenny has something big planned once he returns.

[Jordan]

https://youtu.be/ZXfzoZDmauk

"faces"

That was incredibly annoying IMO.

[Blonde Moment]

I'm not a Bullet Club guy because it's very unoriginal, just DX and NWO combined. Probably my least favorite gimmick in NJPW.

The nWo storyline was an idea created by WCW Executive Vice President Eric Bischoff, whose inspiration for the angle came after attending New Japan Pro Wrestling's Battle Formation show at the Tokyo Dome on April 29, 1996. The show was headlined by a NJPW vs. UWFi match for the IWGP Heavyweight Championship, as New Japan's Shinya Hashimoto defeated UWFi's Nobuhiko Takada.

[Jordan]

I know about the origins of the NWO. But that doesn't have much to do with the unoriginality of The Bullet Club.

[Evil Vito]

I loved the Guerrillas of Warfare cursing. But then again I'm quite the sweary motherfucker.

[Sixx]

don't you people have trouble remembering all those jap names?

fuck, can't read a wiki article about a single wrestler without realizing i've already read about him, just the name didn't sound familiar.

[Sixx]

https://youtu.be/ZXfzoZDmauk

"faces"

i think that was pretty funny.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I spent a little bit of time thinking about New Japan today, which is a good sign for my potential fandom. I kind of think the main event of WrestleKingdom 12 should be Okada vs. Naito. Okada beat Tanahashi at WK10 and Naito at WK11. I'm intrigued to see if New Japan spend some real money on trying to get some guys locked in for the American expansion in order to try and work alongside or against Okada in order to give him some spotlight. My picks would be Kurt Angle and Rob Van Dam, as well as locking Cody Rhodes and Adam Cole down to contracts. As much as I'm not into him, if he hasn't signed with WWE yet, they should make a push to bring in Kyle O'Reilly. He'd make a good opponent for KUSHIDA at least.

I'd like to see New Japan produce some sort of video game too. I think it could help with product awareness and their "penetration."

[Jordan]

I spent a little bit of time thinking about New Japan today, which is a good sign for my potential fandom. I kind of think the main event of WrestleKingdom 12 should be Okada vs. Naito. Okada beat Tanahashi at WK10 and Naito at WK11. I'm intrigued to see if New Japan spend some real money on trying to get some guys locked in for the American expansion in order to try and work alongside or against Okada in order to give him some spotlight. My picks would be Kurt Angle and Rob Van Dam, as well as locking Cody Rhodes and Adam Cole down to contracts. As much as I'm not into him, if he hasn't signed with WWE yet, they should make a push to bring in Kyle O'Reilly. He'd make a good opponent for KUSHIDA at least.

I'd like to see New Japan produce some sort of video game too. I think it could help with product awareness and their "penetration."

Dude ... RVD in Bullet Club would be fucking awesome.

Kurt Angle going off with ANYONE would be dope.

I don't know if Okada and Naito have wrestled much in the past but yeah that makes sense for WK 12. But I feel that Omega is going to headline again probably as a baby face.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I could see that. Omega will be featured if he is still around. I could personally see him in the semi-main. Something like the spot Tanahashi and Naito were in this year. In fact, I could see him against Tanahashi, Shibata or Goto. Given how much they seem to love Goto but have trouble getting him "there," putting him against Omega next year might be a way of spreading some shine to him. Maybe that's my cynical North American thinking? Haha. Not that Omega/Goto would be bad by any stretch.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

http://68.media.tumblr.com/37c8a7695daf0987aa338d6595d93768/tumblr_ojbhj1LCii1rqbrtjo1_1280.jpg

What a goddamn heel

[Mr. Nerfect]

Damn. Body language says it all. I wish we had heels like that in the States.

[Mr. Nerfect]

http://i641.photobucket.com/albums/uu132/CewshReviews/NJPW/Wrestle%20Kingdom/Wrestle%20Kingdom%20VI/vlcsnap-2012-02-17-23h04m26s92.png

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Watched this last night. My God what a show. The last 4 title matches were great. Goto finally getting the big w was great.

Loved it. More words later.

And yes I came. Several times.

[Innovator]

Damn. Body language says it all. I wish we had heels like that in the States.

Monthly posting of this match:

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[hb2k]

What a bloody beautiful match with AJ he had. I honestly love it more every time I watch it.

I get a sense from the way Meltzer is talking that New Japan's idea is to hold off the Okada/Omega rematch until next year's WrestleKingdom, and I'm not sure how I feel about that.

[Droford]

I find it hilarious that TNA is basically responsible for Okada coming up with the Rainmaker chsracter. I had forgotten his stint in TNA..

[Damian Rey 2.0]

I loved the Guerrillas of Warfare cursing. But then again I'm quite the sweary motherfucker.

I loved it too. Too bad Corino was fucking laughing.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

I only saw Okada vs Omega. In that match, I thought Corino and Kelly were just fucking horrendous. Don't get me wrong, even them being horrendous was better than what we here on WWE these days, but my standards aren't so shit that I accept what they offered.

They sound like they've never heard other sports being commentated. Kelly in particular is supposed to be a play-by-play and there needs to be some kind of cadence. Instead, they sound like a couple of smarky wrassling teachers trying to talk about how a match should be "worked". It honestly felt like I was watching figure skating. The 2 guys were not "in character" at all, they were just 2 fans watching a match and clearly pretending it was real. We all know it's fixed, but it's not a lie if you believe it. Either call the match like it's real or dont' call it at all. No energy, so fucking bland and talking about the match like they were smarks. Really disappointing.

Jim Ross is the same when he calls in Japan. I guess the guys think they have the day off or something. Plus JR is obviously way older now and it's hard to remain as focused as a pbp.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Kelly and Corino were ok on commentary. They weren't bad. But they weren't that good. If Ranalo was calling the show it'd have been a better call.

But those last 4 matches were still fucking stellar.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

The biggest issue is that they call it like it's a work. For a work to be good, it needs to be commentated like it's a shoot.

It's not about working "us" the audience, it's about working themselves and one another as pears. It's not a lie if you believe it.

They buy into the wrestlers as performers, and obviously respect them as such. But they don't buy into the performance as a competition, they only see and act as it's just that, a performance.

[screech]

To me it almost sounded like they were dubbing in their commentary after the fact. Seemed like they weren't fully into it, I guess.

[Innovator]

I still only listen to the Japanese commentary when I'm watching the events, it gives me a better feel for the crowd, announcers picking up the excitement for spots.

[Emperor Smeat]

Corino and Kelly were decent and a lot better compared to last year's English team. They have the same problem JR and Striker had in general with their inexperience showing a lot because they only do NJPW events on occasion.

Probably would get the same sort of disconnect occuring if you took those same Japanese commentators and had them call ROH or WWE events on the spot.

I did switch to the Japanese commentators for the last two matches because of them being able to match the intensity and fast pace of those big matches.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

I synced this video up and their enthusiasm mixed with being stupid really worked. It was like listening to friends watch it.

https://youtu.be/wVeY9MjdH58

They did get a bit silly with lack of sleep during the Shibata match though. This was pulled out from that, ASM(J)R

https://youtu.be/RBGXtAdLjf0

[Sixx]

fuck you roxer. fuck you and your whole jap family.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I can see Suzuki getting a run with the IWGP Heavyweight Title.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

According to DA MELTZ, Omegas contract ends January 31st and he is taking time off until March.

So, as much as he likes it he has no problem spoiling shit about it? What a fucking dirtbag.

[Simple Fan]

So, as much as he likes it he has no problem spoiling shit about it? What a fucking dirtbag.

What did he spoil? Kenny had already said he was taking time off. Nothing was spoiled.

[Jordan]

There is a guy on F4Wonline's board who put a list with links of all the NJPW matches you need to see on NJworld.com

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ZsZCBTpKjHzdbCpKZ1No1KAdpmOd2OcgSMfC1-oa7pI/edit#gid=0

[Jordan]

I started watching WK 10 last night with Striker and Kevin Kelly and they make Corino and Kelly sound like gods.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

Uh, isn't that the one with Yoshi Tatsu as well?

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Speaking of Tatsu, is he trying to ape Triple H's gimmick? Comes out spitting water and a water bottle in hand, hits all of the signature moves (spine buster, high knee, face smash) and I'm pretty sure I've seen him try to go for the pedigree.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

Speaking of Tatsu, is he trying to ape Triple H's gimmick? Comes out spitting water and a water bottle in hand, hits all of the signature moves (spine buster, high knee, face smash) and I'm pretty sure I've seen him try to go for the pedigree.

Yes, he's the Bullet Club Hunter

[Simple Fan]

Yeah he started Hunter Club to oppose Bullet Club and started mimicking HHH. He made offers to Micheal Elgin and Tanahashi to join but they both declined. Captain New Japan joined but was later kicked out and joined Bullet Club becoming Bone Soldier. Billy Gunn teamed with him in the tag league.

[Jordan]

I'm glad for a break from the Club for now. Suzuki gun will be a fresh breath of air, and it's good to see the bad guys get one to the chin and take a step back.

[Jordan]

There is a guy on F4Wonline's board who put a list with links of all the NJPW matches you need to see on NJworld.com

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ZsZCBTpKjHzdbCpKZ1No1KAdpmOd2OcgSMfC1-oa7pI/edit#gid=0

Bump so folks and see

[Innovator]

Uh, isn't that the one with Yoshi Tatsu as well?

...........yes

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Yeah he started Hunter Club to oppose Bullet Club and started mimicking HHH. He made offers to Micheal Elgin and Tanahashi to join but they both declined. Captain New Japan joined but was later kicked out and joined Bullet Club becoming Bone Soldier. Billy Gunn teamed with him in the tag league.

Huh. Didn't they win the never openweight6man belts for a while?

Ah well. Good to see Tatsu back after almost dying. I just find the gimmick hilarious. The bullet hunter shirts did look like dx shirts