WWE RAW 3/27/17 feat. Final stop before the Thrill Ride, Tug-o-War Part II?, and Vacant as new GM

[Triple A]

fell asleep for entire show so far

trying to stay awake now

I hope it was a great + exciting show so far

[Lock Jaw]

We should all meetup in Philly for the Royal Rumble next January!

And then we can have our own TPWW Royal Rumble (orgy)

[Lock Jaw]

You should get a rice cooker. It's pretty handy.

I don't have time for your kitchen sorcery!

[Dark One]

fell asleep for entire show so far

trying to stay awake now

I hope it was a great + exciting show so far

https://media.tenor.co/images/be8944d0fb677221043be942a0ec0d9f/tenor.gif

[Emperor Smeat]

fell asleep for entire show so far

trying to stay awake now

I hope it was a great + exciting show so far

http://i.imgur.com/WKkNdge.gif

[A.J.K]

Played out the match on WWE 2K17 , Beat Reigns in 3 minutes.

[Lock Jaw]

Boob jiggling fan highlight of the night

[screech]

We should all meetup in Philly for the Royal Rumble next January!

I am going. I will finally meet ABT.

[slik]

This is not a friendly, pro-Roman crowd.

[Dark One]

"Hey guys, remember when I won the Royal Rumble here instead of Daniel Bryan even being in it and you guys booed the Rock and threw trash in the ring?"

[KIRA]

He is heeling it up right now.....and it still sucks

[Lock Jaw]

Get it..... "grave" mistake?

[Emperor Smeat]

... wait Taker still hasn't finished digging a hole.

[Dark One]

Reigns looking super uncomfortable reciting a heavily scripted heel promo.

[Dark One]

... wait Taker still hasn't finished digging a hole.

Motherfucker it takes him five minutes to walk fifteen feet, the fuck did you expect?

[Evil Vito]

Christ, even Undertaker has to peddle the "Ultimate Thrill Ride" line...

[KIRA]

Stuff like this makes me realize how much I miss Paul Bearer

[Droford]

Last Ride! American Badass BikerTaker return confirmed

[Emperor Smeat]

Motherfucker it takes him five minutes to walk fifteen feet, the fuck did you expect?

Maybe if he didn't keep putting dirt back in he'd finish a lot sooner.

[Dark One]

Picture of the "Ultimate Thrill Ride" based on this Raw:

http://www.acousticaltool.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/kiddie-worm-roller-coasters.jpg

[KIRA]

So they wanna make Roman the cool unflinching guy and all that does is make him look like a douche.

[slik]

Really good Undertaker Promo!

[slik]

This also 100% means Undertaker is losing on Sunday. I emotionally can't process that yet.

[Evil Vito]

No but seriously. I'm glad the Undertaker is saying Ultimate Thrill Ride too.

Brand synergy!

[A.J.K]

I never get tired of seeing Undertaker showing up, After he does hang up his boots, WWE will not be the same after.

[screech]

All about #branding and #teamwork

[Emperor Smeat]

Taker looked a bit like a dumbass with throwing his hands up in the air for a while. Going to assume someone forgot to add in the horrible CGI effect like Bray once did to mock Taker. Or maybe make the fade to black happen a lot sooner.

http://e.rpp-noticias.io/normal/2015/11/02/445544_21643.jpg

[KIRA]

Picture of the "Ultimate Thrill Ride" based on this Raw:

http://www.acousticaltool.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/kiddie-worm-roller-coasters.jpg

Still too heart-stopping. Tea Cup ride might be a more accurate comparison.

[Droford]

SUNDAY SUNDAY SUNDAY!!!!!!!!

[A.J.K]

This also 100% means Undertaker is losing on Sunday. I emotionally can't process that yet.

Neither can I. Undertaker is The man who got me hooked on WWE.

Truly one of the last great Characters and Storytellers in the Business.

[Dark One]

I'm going to have to get some energy drinks to make it through 7 hours of this shit on Sunday.

[KIRA]

Awaiting Enzos full transition to manager the WWE needs more of those anyway.

[Droford]

lol Iverson

[Dark One]

What the fuck is going on with the camera work on this promo?

[Droford]

Cross the Line? ENZO AND CASS TO ...oh

[Maluco]

Clubs titantron is like Geocities site from early 90's

[Evil Vito]

Jesus fucking christ, I'd rather get a colonoscopy than listen to another Enzo Amore promo.

[Droford]

ladder match confirmed

[Dark One]

Anyone taking a shot whenever "Ultimate Thrillride" comes up would be dead right now.

[Emperor Smeat]

Cameraman was way too close to Sheamus' butt in that ladder attack shot.

[Dark One]

Clubs titantron is like Geocities site from early 90's

SEX FERGUSON PAID GOOD MONEY FOR THAT IN 1989 YOU SON OF A BITCH

IT COST HIM TWO WEEKS WORTH OF PAY FROM HIS SEVENTEEN YEARS IN THE GODDAMN MARITIMES

[slik]

We getting a ladder match Playas

[Droford]

Meanwhile on SD the Usos dont have a fucking match at WM

[KIRA]

WWE Notes:REMEMBER TO PUSH WM 33 AS THE ULTIMATE THRILL RIDE!

[Evil Vito]

Remember when Freddy Krueger made sure to mention the sub-title in each Nightmare on Elm Street movie? No? That might make him seem less intimidating?

That's what The God damn Undertaker (people) saying "ultimate thrill ride" feels like.

[Poit]

"We learned that ladders are very dangerous"

"Astute observation Byron"

[slik]

Neither can I. Undertaker is The man who got me hooked on WWE.

Truly one of the last great Characters and Storytellers in the Business.

When I was "over" WWE but still watching post-Attitude Era I always told myself I would stop watching WWE once both HBK and Undertaker retired...

[A.J.K]

Wishful thinking, Gallows and Anderson are told both teams are unable to compete.

But this Championship Match will now be BROKEN.

[Dark One]

Ladder match stip would increase my interest in that triple threat tag title match by like 5000%

[KIRA]

I guarantee Vince had to look Maya Angelou up to see who she was.

[Dark One]

Meanwhile on SD the Usos dont have a fucking match at WM

Maybe they should have tried to win the titles more than a week before Mania.

[Droford]

Lance Storm has to show up at WM to help Jerichohttps://i.ytimg.com/vi/zoidl4m0zP4/hqdefault.jpg

[Dark One]

I guarantee Vince had to look Maya Angelou up to see who she was.

Maya Angelou is Vince McMahon's least favorite New Day member.

[KIRA]

So how far away are Zayn and Owens from beating Cena V Orton?

[Droford]

hearing the YOU SUCK chants...ahhh

[Dark One]

Fans dreams crushed.

[A.J.K]

Got goosebumps hearing Angle's music.

[slik]

I wish they would run down the entire card, used to love it when WWE would do that before WM

[Emperor Smeat]

Why are they doing another Seth Freakin Rollins vs Triple H hype video when they already had their big segment earlier in the show?

Whole show so far has felt really half-assed overall.

[Dark One]

This show should have just been 3 hours of these video packages.

[Lock Jaw]

Honestly just want Mania to be over so we can have the RAW/SD after Mania

[GD]

Snickers Universal Championship.

[GD]

Remember when RAW didn't talk about the Smackdown matches for upcoming dual brand PPVs?

[Dark One]

This is hype music for Wrestlemania?

[Poit]

I wish they would run down the entire card, used to love it when WWE would do that before WM

Wish granted.

[screech]

How is Byron Saxton still the worst?

[KIRA]

The final,final final final showdown.

[Emperor Smeat]

How is Byron Saxton still the worst?

http://i.imgur.com/BkStsHS.gif

[KIRA]

How is Byron Saxton still the worst?

I look at like this: Saxton has nowhere to go but up.

[Dark One]

Also starring the ghost of Adam Rose maybe.

[KIRA]

Fight Forever....and ever...and ever

[Lock Jaw]

I remember being "so hyped" for Kevin Owens/Sami Zayn "final encounter" at that one PPV..... and thought it was a "great match", and Sami Zayn won, and I thought he was gonna go on to do "big things"..........

But then Owens went on to become champ, while Sami went on to just flounder around not doing much of anything except for periodically emerging to get his ass kicked by Braun or fight Kevin Owens randomly.

[Evil Vito]

I would love to go on a date with Charly Caruso. :love: Her cuteness would trigger my anxiety to new levels and I'd expose myself for the socially awkward mess I am but dammit, I'd give it the old college try.

[A.J.K]

I would love to go on a date with Charly Caruso. :love: Her cuteness would trigger my anxiety to new levels and I'd expose myself for the socially awkward mess I am but dammit, I'd give it the old college try.

I prefer Tyler Breeze and Fandango myself :naughty:

[Dark One]

"Tiredness, headaches, and weakness" are also the side effects of watching Raw.

[Triple A]

Feels impossible that Raw will ever be "good" again

[Dark One]

Can we just get to the Jericho run-in already so we can hurry up and get to Lesnar and Goldberg playing tug of war over the title to close up the show and this short miserable life I've had on earth?

[Dark One]

Wish both of my eyes would swell shut.

[Lock Jaw]

diarrhea

[Lock Jaw]

Dark One should have saved some Oxy to get him through Wrestlemania

[Evil Vito]

Wonder if Dark One can arrange to be hooked to a morphine drip for WrestleMania.

[Lock Jaw]

Smoh Joe

[Dark One]

Dark One should have saved some Oxy to get him through Wrestlemania

Wonder if Dark One can arrange to be hooked to a morphine drip for WrestleMania.

Well.

I was high as fuck on Oxy last year, since it was like a week after my accident, and it sure didn't save that show.

[DAMN iNATOR]

Wait, what's the main event match/promo of this fresh Hell, then?!

[Emperor Smeat]

:lol: at the first crowd shot after Sami won didn't have people caring at all.

[GD]

Michael Cole has a thing for the Blue Thunder Bomb.

[DAMN iNATOR]

Well.

I was high as fuck on Oxy last year, since it was like a week after my accident, and it sure didn't save that show.

The first step is admitting you have a problem. Proud of you! :shifty:

[Lock Jaw]

Obviously you need to get even higher.

[Dark One]

brb going to put "distraction roll-up" in Sami's Finishing Move section on Wikipedia.

[Destor]

Crowd was so dead for that match

[Droford]

You almost forget that Jericho is the United States Champion

[Dark One]

Wait, what's the main event match/promo of this fresh Hell, then?!

https://i.imgur.com/1ldiJ3I.gif but with Goldberg.

[A.J.K]

THE LIST RETURNS!!!

[Droford]

Wait, what's the main event match/promo of this fresh Hell, then?!

Brock/Goldberg

[Emperor Smeat]

Why the hell does Andre the Giant look frighteningly creepy in that WWE Champions ad.

[DAMN iNATOR]

https://i.imgur.com/1ldiJ3I.gif but with Goldberg.

Oh, fun. I love tug of war matches.

[DAMN iNATOR]

Obviously you need to get even higher.

Maybe there's some secret New Day Weed Pops he can order? #NewDayPot

[Triple A]

this sucks idk

everything is so basic and "formulaic"

[Droford]

I was thinking it would be awesome if they got Brock to say "ultimate thrill ride"

but I guess they couldnt pay him enough to say it

[slik]

ultimate thrill ride

[Triple A]

Heyman Lesnar schtick so f*cking boring after the 150th time saying the exact same thing... why do they do the same exact thing over and over and over and over

[Triple A]

feel like crying

[slik]

RAW has been mostly dull tonight...I miss when RAW go home shows before WM would be 'insane' with all hands on deck and everything was to ramp up every feud heading into WM into overdrive

[Lock Jaw]

RAW has been mostly dull tonight...I miss when RAW go home shows before WM would be 'insane' with all hands on deck and everything was to ramp up every feud heading into WM into overdrive

I haven't even been able to say

WHAT DOES THIS MEAN FOR THIS SUNDAY NIGHT?!

[GD]

Sting never fought for the Universal title :wtf:

[slik]

Please leave Sting out of this...do not make this WCW vs WWE again

[slik]

I haven't even been able to say

WHAT DOES THIS MEAN FOR THIS SUNDAY NIGHT?!

Exactly!

[rez]

gg. The first mention of Sting in forever comes out of Paul's mouth

[Lock Jaw]

Can't wait until this is over, and I go watch Supergirl and "feel good" again.......

[Lock Jaw]

HAHAHAHAHAHA Heyman doing the Mourner's Kadish.......

[DAMN iNATOR]

Heyman Lesnar schtick so f*cking boring after the 150th time saying the exact same thing... why do they do the same exact thing over and over and over and over

Because Brock es no bueno at cutting his own promos. This isn't a secret.

[Dark One]

Triple H versus Roman Reigns, where Roman was off for like four weeks with a broken face, was a better build than this.

[slik]

Paul Heyman promo is longer than the Goldberg/Lesnar match will be

[rez]

Because Brock es no bueno at cutting his own promos. This isn't a secret.

Still would be better than Roman

[poopfromweiner dude]

goldberg

[poopfromweiner dude]

just wanna say i think enzo amore and big cass are cool

dont care about ur opinions i think theyre entertaining and im rooting for them in the big match

[slik]

hi Poop!

[Destor]

Can't wait until this is over, and I go watch Supergirl and "feel good" again.......

It wont help :'(

[poopfromweiner dude]

nice spear goldberg

[Lock Jaw]

DAMN

[Emperor Smeat]

So outside of one F-5, the Goldberg-Lesnar feud has been way too one-sided in favor of Goldberg.

Their match is going to be a huge disaster if it goes beyond 2-3 minutes and/or a few moves with how the booking has been.

[rez]

Decent spear

[Triple A]

is that it

[slik]

Goldberg drenched in sweat after 1 spear

[Dark One]

Goldberg winded from walking down the ramp and hitting a spear.

Future so bleak.

[rez]

That was Brock's pee pee

[Triple A]

feel like throwing up... think I am getting sick in general maybe

[DAMN iNATOR]

feel like crying

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view1/1257909/brock-lesnar-mariachi-3-o.gif
http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view3/1257882/brock-lesnar-mariachi-o.gif

If those don't cheer you up, nothing will.

[Triple A]

Taco Bell commercial with white guys rapping now... room feels like it is spinning

[poopfromweiner dude]

wish the paige vids were longer

wish we got to see her moan more

[Dark One]

Taco Bell commercial with white guys rapping now... room feels like it is spinning

Suicide Pact at TPWWMania 33?

[RP]

Smackdown on yet?

[Evil Vito]

I didn't think I could be less interested in a Mania than I was last year, but then this year came along.

[Evil Vito]

God damn I'm so glad I didn't decide to splurge on a Mania trip this year. I would hate myself for it.

[Evil Vito]

Seriously I would be crying right now if I had dropped all that money for a Mania trip. I know there is a lot more to Mania weekend than the event itself and Axxess/HOF/Takeover/the Raw and SD after would probably be enough fun to justify it - but damn this Mania looks awful.

I think I'd try to scalp my actual Mania ticket and just go to the rest.

[Lock Jaw]

Smackdown on yet?

I know RAW felt that long, but it isn't actually Tuesday night yet.

[The CyNick]

Seriously I would be crying right now if I had dropped all that money for a Mania trip. I know there is a lot more to Mania weekend than the event itself and Axxess/HOF/Takeover/the Raw and SD after would probably be enough fun to justify it - but damn this Mania looks awful.

I think I'd try to scalp my actual Mania ticket and just go to the rest.

I feel the exact opposite. I've been really looking forward to this Mania. Lots of long term storylines coming to a head, multiple matches that could steal the show, a nice mix of entertainment. I feel like this is going to be a really good one. Better you didn't pay though if you're down on the product. No point wasting money and precious time on something you no longer enjoy.

[Droford]

Seriously I would be crying right now if I had dropped all that money for a Mania trip. I know there is a lot more to Mania weekend than the event itself and Axxess/HOF/Takeover/the Raw and SD after would probably be enough fun to justify it - but damn this Mania looks awful.

I think I'd try to scalp my actual Mania ticket and just go to the rest.
There's about 40 other non WWE shows happening you'd have no shortage of wrestling to watch

[Tom Guycott]

Clubs titantron is like Geocities site from early 90's

Only with less smiley face gifs.

[Ezra]

Raw was ok overall but not a WrestleMania go home show. Hoping for bigger things from smackdown to get me a bit more hyped up.

[DAMN iNATOR]

No, it was fucking dreadful. Just a total nuclear dumpster fire.

[Emperor Smeat]

:eek: Taker's teleportation powers have been fake this whole time

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">LMAOOO Taker kicked a production guy in the face when he came out the ring <a href="https://t.co/9RC7l9mN3W">pic.twitter.com/9RC7l9mN3W</a></p>&mdash; Connor (@ConnorJA_) <a href="https://twitter.com/ConnorJA_/status/846554942571773953">March 28, 2017</a></blockquote>
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[Tom Guycott]

:eek: Taker's teleportation powers have been fake this whole time

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Bullshit! How dare you! The illusion is ruin'd for me now!!!

For some reason, though, this makes me think of "Dot The Cameraman".

[Maluco]

I know there are people who are entertained by that, there must be and that is ok. I'm not going to tell people what is entertaining and what isn't but imo you can't tell me that the quality of the show is not related to the decline in ratings.

Not interested in a debate about ratings and what it means, blah blah blah. I am just saying...That is really tough to get through. Every segment seemed so boring and lifeless. One little example was Aries/Neville...They were given so much time and i am LESS interested than I was going in to the show. Where is the intensity? Swinging hips with the new day? I thought there was real heat between these two?

Boring woman's match, listless tag build, just talking, talking and more talking. I am watching a genuinely boring show that I physically can't make through 3 hours of.

This was meant to be the biggest RAW of the year so far and have me wanting to see every match. Even the biggest defenders of WWE should question whether tonight really did that. It seemed endless, there is never anything new or different.

It is horrendously put together and it feels like everyone is just looking at their watches, repeating things until they get to 3 hours. It is lifeless and it sucks.

I didn't watch for about 7 months last year and really wanted to get into things for Mania. I am hoping it is really good on the night, but I think I will be unsubscribed from the network after that. Life's too short and all that.

Really hate to be THAT guy who tries to watch and complains...But THAT was the go home RAW for Wrestlemania

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

No, it was fucking dreadful. Just a total nuclear dumpster fire.

Dude, get out more often.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

I know there are people who are entertained by that, there must be and that is ok. I'm not going to tell people what is entertaining and what isn't but imo you can't tell me that the quality of the show is not related to the decline in ratings.

Not interested in a debate about ratings and what it means, blah blah blah. I am just saying...That is really tough to get through. Every segment seemed so boring and lifeless. One little example was Aries/Neville...They were given so much time and i am LESS interested than I was going in to the show. Where is the intensity? Swinging hips with the new day? I thought there was real heat between these two?

Boring woman's match, listless tag build, just talking, talking and more talking. I am watching a genuinely boring show that I physically can't make through 3 hours of.

This was meant to be the biggest RAW of the year so far and have me wanting to see every match. Even the biggest defenders of WWE should question whether tonight really did that. It seemed endless, there is never anything new or different.

It is horrendously put together and it feels like everyone is just looking at their watches, repeating things until they get to 3 hours. It is lifeless and it sucks.

I didn't watch for about 7 months last year and really wanted to get into things for Mania. I am hoping it is really good on the night, but I think I will be unsubscribed from the network after that. Life's too short and all that.

Really hate to be THAT guy who tries to watch and complains...But THAT was the go home RAW for Wrestlemania

My suggestion is NEVER attempt to watch RAW for 3 hours. You will be disappointed 90 per cent of the time at least. If you're more picky with it, you'll only see the segments you care to see and you won't hate it so much.

[The CyNick]

I know there are people who are entertained by that, there must be and that is ok. I'm not going to tell people what is entertaining and what isn't but imo you can't tell me that the quality of the show is not related to the decline in ratings.

Not interested in a debate about ratings and what it means, blah blah blah. I am just saying...That is really tough to get through. Every segment seemed so boring and lifeless. One little example was Aries/Neville...They were given so much time and i am LESS interested than I was going in to the show. Where is the intensity? Swinging hips with the new day? I thought there was real heat between these two?

Boring woman's match, listless tag build, just talking, talking and more talking. I am watching a genuinely boring show that I physically can't make through 3 hours of.

This was meant to be the biggest RAW of the year so far and have me wanting to see every match. Even the biggest defenders of WWE should question whether tonight really did that. It seemed endless, there is never anything new or different.

It is horrendously put together and it feels like everyone is just looking at their watches, repeating things until they get to 3 hours. It is lifeless and it sucks.

I didn't watch for about 7 months last year and really wanted to get into things for Mania. I am hoping it is really good on the night, but I think I will be unsubscribed from the network after that. Life's too short and all that.

Really hate to be THAT guy who tries to watch and complains...But THAT was the go home RAW for Wrestlemania

I didn't get to see the whole show, but what I saw was effective. Maybe it's because I feel like they did a really strong job building all the matches prior to this, that they didn't need to do anything crazy to sell me on the show. When they went through the card, virtually every match has an excellent reel of things that happened to get to the match.

I've always found the less time I spend on places like this, the more I enjoy the product. That may not work for you, but I feel like places like this, people feel the need to one up each other on negativity. I'm keeping my eye on it, and looking to fix things, eventually.

[Rammsteinmad]

Pretty lackluster Raw considering it's the go-home show. Raw tag titles being defended in a ladder match would be sick, though.

[Rammsteinmad]

Oh, the highlight was probably Roman Reigns' heel promo though! Made a refreshing change, really sounds like they might go with a "you wanna boo me? Fine, go fuck yourself" kinda attitude with Reigns. Him putting down Goldberg and Cena, would make for some cool matches and his aura and personality would come across a lot better as a heel.

[screech]

Show did a good job of setting up the matches for Sunday. Lots of long-term stories [hopefully] wrapping up, which is what WrestleMania should be.

It just wasn't very entertaining. Though it did remind me why I don't usually watch live, so that's a plus.

[screech]

Oh, the highlight was probably Roman Reigns' heel promo though! Made a refreshing change, really sounds like they might go with a "you wanna boo me? Fine, go fuck yourself" kinda attitude with Reigns. Him putting down Goldberg and Cena, would make for some cool matches and his aura and personality would come across a lot better as a heel.

Yes! I know he's kinda "been heel" for months, but I love that they're going all the way with it.

[Evil Vito]

I feel the exact opposite. I've been really looking forward to this Mania. Lots of long term storylines coming to a head, multiple matches that could steal the show, a nice mix of entertainment. I feel like this is going to be a really good one. Better you didn't pay though if you're down on the product. No point wasting money and precious time on something you no longer enjoy.

I've really enjoyed SmackDown since the draft, and have made it a point to watch every week. Raw has been far more up and down for me, I rarely get through the whole show in one go.

As far as Mania is concerned though there are only about 2 or 3 matches that really pique my interest. Enough to go back and check them out the next day maybe but not enough to watch the full 7 hour show in one sitting.

[Big Vic]

Win or Lose roman has to DESTORY the undertaker. Preferably after the match. Would mean more from him if he wins though, but if they are trying to do Cena/Taker next year he shouldn't.

[ClockShot]

Glad I turned this off when I did.

Vendor I deal with at work is going to flying down to Orlando to catch 'Mania. Going to see if I can talk him out of it since it's looking pretty bad. With a good match here and there.

[Big Vic]

lol why would you want to talk him out of it?

[The CyNick]

Pretty lackluster Raw considering it's the go-home show. Raw tag titles being defended in a ladder match would be sick, though.

That's the spirit, think about the bright side. I did think they were teasing a ladder match. Although triple threat is no rules, so maybe they just incorporate ladders into the match at Mania.

[The CyNick]

I've really enjoyed SmackDown since the draft, and have made it a point to watch every week. Raw has been far more up and down for me, I rarely get through the whole show in one go.

As far as Mania is concerned though there are only about 2 or 3 matches that really pique my interest. Enough to go back and check them out the next day maybe but not enough to watch the full 7 hour show in one sitting.

I enjoy SDL as well because I like that it is paced differently than RAW. I don't usually sit through either show in its entirety in one sitting because of other commitments, but I find them both to enjoyable enough to keep watching. Could it be better? Sure. Is it a fun way to zone out in front of the TV, yeah it is. And to me anyway, it can be genuinely entertaining. They've provided me a lot of good memories over the years, which I appreciate.

[screech]

Would absolutely love the tag match to be a ladder match. I feel like they would have made a "breaking announcement" on the show to make that official, though.

Match should be fun either way.

[Heisenberg]

The ladder match idea you all are floating around is a seg into Karl Anderson and Gallows falling off the ladder into a portal only to re-emerge as Chad 2 Badd and Tex Ferguson right???

[Evil Vito]

The ladder match idea you all are floating around is a seg into Karl Anderson and Gallows falling off the ladder into a portal only to re-emerge as Chad 2 Badd and Tex Ferguson right???

Can't do that until the Hardys return and send Gallows and Anderson into the Lake of Reincarnation.

[Maluco]

I dunno, maybe i am being harsh, it just feels like there is so much filler and you miss nothing by not watching anymore.

Gone are the days of genuine stars and must see TV I guess.

Almost guaranteed match quality will be great as always on Sunday though, which wasn't always the case in the past.

[Ruien]

Why did this Raw suck? Braun did not destroy anyone. Case closed.

[Maluco]

That too!

I watched a shoot with Nash about what booking Nitro was like when it was 3 hours and he said it was a nightmare and that they just struggled to fill 3 hours before Thunder.

It made me think that this is the major problem. Smackdown seem to produce an, at least, competent show with 2 hours. It is tighter, there is no filler, and i find myself a bigger fan of a lot more guys on that show.

Maybe 3 hours really does take a bigger toll than it should do on the face of it.

[Big Vic]

With Raw I know nothing important will happen unless its around 8, 9, 10, or 11.

[Simple Fan]

I've really enjoyed SmackDown since the draft, and have made it a point to watch every week. Raw has been far more up and down for me, I rarely get through the whole show in one go.

As far as Mania is concerned though there are only about 2 or 3 matches that really pique my interest. Enough to go back and check them out the next day maybe but not enough to watch the full 7 hour show in one sitting.

Same here but the thing I love about the WWE Network is by not paying $50 I don't feel like I have to watch the whole show. Don't think I've watched a whole PPV since the Network was created. Will watch matches I want to see live and skip what I don't. For Wrestlemania I'll probably checkout the battle royal, Neville/Aries, Raw Tag Titels match, KO/Jericho, Styles/Shane, and Orton/Wyatt.

[The CyNick]

I dunno, maybe i am being harsh, it just feels like there is so much filler and you miss nothing by not watching anymore.

Gone are the days of genuine stars and must see TV I guess.

Almost guaranteed match quality will be great as always on Sunday though, which wasn't always the case in the past.

Watch an episode of RAW from say 1999, a lot of its not very good. The action today is far superior. The product is less embarrassing today. The storytelling is better.

[The CyNick]

That too!

I watched a shoot with Nash about what booking Nitro was like when it was 3 hours and he said it was a nightmare and that they just struggled to fill 3 hours before Thunder.

It made me think that this is the major problem. Smackdown seem to produce an, at least, competent show with 2 hours. It is tighter, there is no filler, and i find myself a bigger fan of a lot more guys on that show.

Maybe 3 hours really does take a bigger toll than it should do on the face of it.

I personally find three hours to be on the heavy side, that's why SDL flows better to me. But the third hour is likely here to stay, and it still does a really strong number, so it's tough to justify getting rid of it. I don't believe going back to two hours would suddenly result in an extra million viewers per week. Is a tough spot.

[The CyNick]

With Raw I know nothing important will happen unless its around 8, 9, 10, or 11.

That's pretty much always been the case. Most of the biggest angles were shot at the top of the hour. Biggest matches at the end of the show. So this is nothing new.

[Emperor Smeat]

But the third hour is likely here to stay, and it still does a really strong number, so it's tough to justify getting rid of it.

Outside of some rare instances, the third hour has been the biggest cause for why overall numbers have been dropping for years. Its also been among some of the lowest ever in WWE history as well.

Only reason they'd keep it is because of money and WWE having nothing strong enough to cover the revenue gap. Like WCW, its pretty much a catch-22 since neither them nor USA Network are happy with it but at the same time, WWE can't afford to lose that extra revenue money.

[Big Vic]

That's pretty much always been the case. Most of the biggest angles were shot at the top of the hour. Biggest matches at the end of the show. So this is nothing new.

I feel like for SDL this is not the case.

[Cool King]

The fact that this was the go-home Raw for WrestleMania is crazy.

Raw was so incredibly shit that I actually felt really bad for the crowd. They paid money to be there live and all they got was promo after promo after promo and vignette after vignette after vignette with the occasional match here and there and even then, the matches were no more than ten minutes long.

There were only four matches and together, they racked up around twenty-five minutes.

That's twenty-five minutes of wrestling that was shown on a three hour long wrestling show.

The rest of the time was taken up buy talking (promos & vignettes). That's insane.

The only highlight for me from Raw was seeing that Curtis Axel actually made it to television.

[Destor]

The fact that this was the go-home Raw for WrestleMania is crazy.

Raw was so incredibly shit that I actually felt really bad for the crowd. They paid money to be there live and all they got was promo after promo after promo and vignette after vignette after vignette with the occasional match here and there and even then, the matches were no more than ten minutes long.

There were only four matches and together, they racked up around twenty-five minutes.

That's twenty-five minutes of wrestling that was shown on a three hour long wrestling show.

The rest of the time was taken up buy talking (promos & vignettes). That's insane.

The only highlight for me from Raw was seeing that Curtis Axel actually made it to television.I turned on the last 25 min or so. The crowd was so dead. I was watching thinking how cool it must have been for Steen and Genrico to main RAW with the miles theyve had together but watching the match was so painful. The crowd was so dead it ws tragic.

[Cool King]

I know, right?

[Simple Fan]

The only highlight for me from Raw was seeing that Curtis Axel actually made it to television.

Actually had wrestling gear on as well. Would love to see him serious again.

[Cool King]

Yeah, I really miss those days.

[The CyNick]

Outside of some rare instances, the third hour has been the biggest cause for why overall numbers have been dropping for years. Its also been among some of the lowest ever in WWE history as well.

Only reason they'd keep it is because of money and WWE having nothing strong enough to cover the revenue gap. Like WCW, its pretty much a catch-22 since neither them nor USA Network are happy with it but at the same time, WWE can't afford to lose that extra revenue money.

If USA wasn't happy with the third hour they would simply stop posting for it.

The FACT is, even with declining ratings, it's still a very profitable venture for both USA and WWE. It's not like they are in a marriage they can't get out of.

[The CyNick]

The fact that this was the go-home Raw for WrestleMania is crazy.

Raw was so incredibly shit that I actually felt really bad for the crowd. They paid money to be there live and all they got was promo after promo after promo and vignette after vignette after vignette with the occasional match here and there and even then, the matches were no more than ten minutes long.

There were only four matches and together, they racked up around twenty-five minutes.

That's twenty-five minutes of wrestling that was shown on a three hour long wrestling show.

The rest of the time was taken up buy talking (promos & vignettes). That's insane.

The only highlight for me from Raw was seeing that Curtis Axel actually made it to television.

I feel like that's what go home shows for Mania are generally like though. Everything is set, you can't do too much with matches because you don't want key guys losing. Taker and Reigns didn't have a match, but I'm sure people enjoyed that segment. Hard to judge, as I didn't watch the whole show and wasn't there live.

[The CyNick]

I turned on the last 25 min or so. The crowd was so dead. I was watching thinking how cool it must have been for Steen and Genrico to main RAW with the miles theyve had together but watching the match was so painful. The crowd was so dead it ws tragic.

It also doesn't help that Zayn isn't that over.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Realistically tv does so poorly now ratings wise the 3rd hour drop is par for everyone's course.

[Emperor Smeat]

If USA wasn't happy with the third hour they would simply stop posting for it.

The FACT is, even with declining ratings, it's still a very profitable venture for both USA and WWE. It's not like they are in a marriage they can't get out of.

They are locked into the 3rd hour till the current tv contract ends. Wouldn't be surprised if there was a buyout clause for that hour if USA Network wanted to drop it but they already are losing a ton of money from the tv deal that its probably cheaper to just let it expire instead.

As of now, tv deal hasn't been profitable at all for USA Network because they are paying for the extra hour, paying to make Smackdown a live show, and paying WWE more than they get back in ad revenues. Its a huge reason why them and NBC started to go after bigger name advertisers since they need to close as much of that revenue gap as possible.

WWE benefits the most now but the lower their audience gets, the harder its going to be to keep those high paying advertisers to stay for the long term.

[The CyNick]

They are locked into the 3rd hour till the current tv contract ends. Wouldn't be surprised if there was a buyout clause for that hour if USA Network wanted to drop it but they already are losing a ton of money from the tv deal that its probably cheaper to just let it expire instead.

As of now, tv deal hasn't been profitable at all for USA Network because they are paying for the extra hour, paying to make Smackdown a live show, and paying WWE more than they get back in ad revenues. Its a huge reason why them and NBC started to go after bigger name advertisers since they need to close as much of that revenue gap as possible.

WWE benefits the most now but the lower their audience gets, the harder its going to be to keep those high paying advertisers to stay for the long term.

None of that is true. USA doesn't release profitability numbers on specific shows. Whoever is feeding you info is a liar.

[Destor]

It also doesn't help that Zayn isn't that over.

Hes more over than steen. Match had no heat. Hope spots breathed some life into it. But neither guy is that over yes.

[DAMN iNATOR]

Still would be better than Roman

You really wanna go that route, huh?
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