Joss Whedon to write & direct BATGIRL

[slik]

http://collider.com/joss-whedon-batgirl-movie/

Joss Whedon (Avengers, Avengers: Age of Ultron) will write and direct a live-action BATGIRL for Warner Bros and the DCEU.


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[Destor]

YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAASSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

[Destor]

Also:


Joss Whedon (Avengers, Avengers: Age of Ultron, BUFFY THE VAMPIRE SLAYER)

[Lock Jaw]

Not confirmed yet, but could be a major coup for the DC movies

[Corporate CockSnogger]

DC giving themselves the challenge of sucking the fun and enjoyment out of even someone as brilliant as Joss.

[Simple Fan]

Seems like overkill to me. DC doesn't exactly have plans they just keep announcing movies. Don't see her being that big of a character to have her own movie either. Just throw her in Gotham Sirens.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Batgirl is a draw. She's a notable and recognizable figure in pop culture. I'd bet more so than the lot of D.C. characters.

This is only great news. First Matt Reeves and his apes producer sign on to like rewrite and recreate the Batman, and Whedon to do the same for Batgirl.

Can'tl say I'm not excited about everything post Wonder Woman for the D.C. universe.

[Simple Fan]

Really? She's not even top 3 of DC female characters though. Her connection to Batman is about the only thing recognizable about her. She's like a sidekicks sidekick, just don't think she's on Wonder Womans level of popularity to have her own movie.

[Kalyx triaD]

Holy shit, YAS.

[Kalyx triaD]

DCEU needed this really really badly. Whedon is now their last hope after The Batman.

[slik]

Really? She's not even top 3 of DC female characters though. Her connection to Batman is about the only thing recognizable about her. She's like a sidekicks sidekick, just don't think she's on Wonder Womans level of popularity to have her own movie.


Batgirl is more well-known than you think.

Most people know her from the 60s tv show, The Killing Joke or one of the animated shows, but they know she exists just as much as they did The Flash, Green Lantern, Aquaman, etc.

Depending on which Batgirl they go with (I'm assuming Barbara Gordon, though there's been a few others Batgirls) they all have very distinct personalities (Barbara and Stephanie are more "Fun", Cassandra is more "Serious Business")

[Destor]

Really? She's not even top 3 of DC female characters though. Her connection to Batman is about the only thing recognizable about her. She's like a sidekicks sidekick, just don't think she's on Wonder Womans level of popularity to have her own movie.

She is at LEAST as well known as Wondy

[Simple Fan]

She is at LEAST as well known as Wondy

No way, and Supergirl is more well known than Batgirl. I'd go as far as saying Black Canary is more well known also. Batman's female rogues are as well. Just seems like more of a fit for Gotham City Sirens than her own movie.

[Destor]

Black Canary? Lol wut

[slik]

Batgirl/Barbara Gordon was also one of the main characters in the Lego Batman movie, which did really well.

[Simple Fan]

Batgirl is more well-known than you think.

Most people know her from the 60s tv show, The Killing Joke or one of the animated shows, but they know she exists just as much as they did The Flash, Green Lantern, Aquaman, etc.

Depending on which Batgirl they go with (I'm assuming Barbara Gordon, though there's been a few others Batgirls) they all have very distinct personalities (Barbara and Stephanie are more "Fun", Cassandra is more "Serious Business")

Knowing she exist is not a reason to make a movie though. She's a C-list hero that doesn't really need her own movie.

[slik]

BatWoman could carry her own movie too. She is also a 'cool' character.

[slik]

She's a C-list hero that doesn't really need her own movie.

More well known than D-List Antman was and F-List Guardians of the Galaxy were. Iron Man was a C-Lister himself before his film.

[Simple Fan]

Black Canary? Lol wut

I guess it how you see Batgirl but I've never seen her as real prominent character. Black Canary has a bigger role in comics and has her own gimmick so to speak. Batgirl is just a female Batman that's really just another Robin. I don't think Black Canary needs a movie though.

[Destor]

More well known than D-List Antman was and F-List Guardians of the Galaxy were. Iron Man was a C-Lister himself before his film.
Truth
I guess it how you see Batgirl but I've never seen her as real prominent character. Black Canary has a bigger role in comics and has her own gimmick so to speak. Batgirl is just a female Batman that's really just another Robin.

Trying to sell tickets so i cant even begin to understand why that matters

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Maybe to comic fans she's a C list character. But that's not who these movies are marketed to. She's known in the mainstream community as much as Wonder Woman and arguably more than Supergirl before the latter got her own tv show.

Batgirl has been featured in the 60s show, both renditions of the animated series, Young Justice, and the recent D.C. super hero girls show that's got merch plastered all over toy sections.

Not to mention, batgirl is also a just as much if not more featured costume for little girls come Halloween time than Wonder Woman or any other female character.

I think you're ( Simple Fan) underestimating her popularity and relevance in the mainstream and instead are just going on personal feelings.

[Simple Fan]

More well known than D-List Antman was and F-List Guardians of the Galaxy were. Iron Man was a C-Lister himself before his film.

You are correct and this movie might be good if it even gets made but it seems like overkill to me. We haven't even seen how Wonder Woman will do as a female comic book movie and she's A-List. I think a Wonder Woman movie is long overdue but a Batgirl film just seems forced in my opinion. Would love to see her in Gotham City Sirens as I've said though.

[Destor]

You basically just implied that being female is a gimmick. Strong case for exactly why Batgirl is needed.

[Simple Fan]

You basically just implied that being female is a gimmick. Strong case for exactly why Batgirl is needed.

So just because she's a female she deserves her own movie? I just don't think there is a lot you can do with her that isn't overshadowed by Batman. Supergirl TV show deals with the same thing with Superman, even worse now that's he's appeared on the show.

[Destor]

False dilema fallacy. New IPs are well and good and welcomed but these characters exist and have a fanbase depsite their humble begingings.

[Destor]

The creator of Buffy the Vampire Slayer, the author of girl power of the late 90s, can craft a story that little girls will absolutely be interested in seeing, its a great thing.

[Swiss Ultimate]

Ironman was b-list dammit.

[Swiss Ultimate]

Hulk, X-men, Spider-Man, Captain America, Daredevil and Punisher were A list.

Ironman, Thor, Dr. Strange, Blade, and Ghost Rider were strong B material.

[Destor]

Ironman was b-list dammit.

B- AT BEST

[slik]

Hulk was probably A List because of his TV series

When Marvel/DC had crossovers years ago they did Superman vs Spider-Man and then Batman vs The Hulk

[slik]

Both of those match-ups are really stupid. Superman/The Hulk a way more even fight but if even then if they did Spider-Man/Batman that would not have been a good match either since Spidey is way more powerful than Bats.

[Lock Jaw]

Maybe to comic fans she's a C list character.

As a big nerd/comics fan I would say she is definitely an A list character.

[Lock Jaw]

Hulk was probably A List because of his TV series

When Marvel/DC had crossovers years ago they did Superman vs Spider-Man and then Batman vs The Hulk

Which crossover....... the 90s one? I think it was Superman vs Hulk wasn't it? Was definitely Batman vs. Captain America.......

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[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Joss Whedon dropped the Big Legdrop on Stan Lee.

Joss Whedon has betrayed the MCU!

[Simple Fan]

The creator of Buffy the Vampire Slayer, the author of girl power of the late 90s, can craft a story that little girls will absolutely be interested in seeing, its a great thing.

I guess if you are a little girl it's a great thing but will that make money. Cat Woman had her own movie and it didn't do to well and she's more well known than Batgirl. Like I've said just don't think she's a fit for her own movie. She'd be just fine in The Batman or Gotham Sirens. She's a sidekick and the most famous sidekick Robin doesn't even have
a movie.

I hope it does well if it even gets made but I just don't see it at the moment. Just feels forced to me and DC has many more deserving characters that could use their own movie.

[Destor]

"There was a bad superhero movie with a female lead so this will be bad too"

[slik]

Which crossover....... the 90s one? I think it was Superman vs Hulk wasn't it? Was definitely Batman vs. Captain America.......

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superman_vs._The_Amazing_Spider-Man

http://ifanboy.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/Superman-Vs.-The-Amazing-Spider-Man-1976.jpg




The other one doesn't have a Wikipedia page for some reason but you can still buy it on Amazon:
https://www.amazon.com/Marvel-Present-Batman-Incredible-Treasury/dp/B002R2C0XO

[Destor]

Never mind the director/writer was completely untested, the character wasnt even selena kyle it starred a woman and was bad so its totally a fair comparison

[slik]

@Lock Jaw

The Teen Titans also teamed up with The X-Men to battle Darkseid/Dark Phoenix:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Uncanny_X-Men_and_The_New_Teen_Titans

[Corporate CockSnogger]

Comic book films were in a totally different stratosphere when Catwoman came out compared to now.

[Swiss Ultimate]

I like to imagine that Catwoman is just a really weird episode of Law and Order.

[Corporate CockSnogger]

I'm not a big DC fan and I think all the recent films have been absolute garbage. The DC tv shows I used to enjoy, but they're pretty much trash now too for the most part. My knowledge of their characters is limited, at best, compared to my marvel knowledge.

That being said, Barbara Gordon is def one of the more known characters in DC in my opinion, and if anyone can make a fantastic film with a female lead, it's Joss Whedon.

[Lock Jaw]

Wasn't there "controversy" after Age of Ultron that Joss had turned heel on women and was now reviled and public enemy number one for SJWs

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Lol catwoman tanked because it was a laughably bad movie. Not because it was a female lead.

The Hunter Games are about a female lead and those movies raked in the dough. If the movie is good, regardless of who it's geared towards, it will make money.

Moana is another recent female driven film that was great and made lots of money.

Simple Fan reaching for arguments here.

[Destor]

Wasn't there "controversy" after Age of Ultron that Joss had turned heel on women and was now reviled and public enemy number one for SJWs

They attacked him for making BW baron and wanting to be a mother. He left twitter over it.

[Simple Fan]

"There was a bad superhero movie with a female lead so this will be bad too"

You seem to do this a lot. You'll take something I said and twist to something I didn't say. Never said this movie would be bad, just that it's not really needed. I think Cat Woman was a fair comparison if we are talking about female leads since she is apart of Batmans world and more well known and it didn't draw well. That's an example and not a prediction of fate for this movie though. From a character standpoint I don't think she's deserving of a movie.

[Destor]

Oh youre saying these things, you just seem too simple to realize it.

Also Patience Phillips is not a batman character.

[Destor]

Slapping words catwoman on a marquee a franchise does not make

[Simple Fan]

Simple Fan reaching for arguments here.

I'm not arguing anything other than the movie isn't really needed. Cat Woman is an example of a comic book movie with a female lead so I think it's a fair comparison without there being a Batgirl movie yet.

[Simple Fan]

Oh youre saying these things, you just seem too simple to realize it.

Also Patience Phillips is not a batman character.

No, because I haven't said this movie will be bad in this whole thread. You took it that way though. Who is Patience Phillips?

[RP]

Jeez why though? Is he gonna start from The Killing Joke? I dont get this.

[Kalyx triaD]

Arguing the non-importance of Barbara Gordon is kinda absurd, sorry. She debuted in a mainstream medium, featured very prominently in maybe the greatest animated comic show ever, appeared in an otherwise bad movie, and remained relevant paralyzed and without costume for decades.

She is very easily more recognizable than many characters Marvel took huge risks with in their movie-verse. She's a much safer bet than potentially WW, because at least she's connected to WB's most consistent money maker. There's so many reasons this is a good idea it makes a Cyborg movie laughable, and every worry said in this thread applies to him double fold.

And that's not even mentioning Joss Whedon doing a project 100% up his alley. If Gail Symone or Pail Dini gets involved this movie will easily be the best written of the DCEU. Like seriously.

[Simple Fan]

Agree about Cyborg, no need for him to have his own movie either. This might work if it comes out the same year as The Batman and Gotham City Sirens with Batgirl appearing in all 3. Think they have announced a Nightwing movie as well. I don't know for me it just feels forced and unneeded. DC has a lot of movies announced but no real plans for them and I don't think all of them will get made.

[Lock Jaw]

What do you mean "no real plans"....... isn't the plan to make movies.......

[Simple Fan]

Yeah but they have like 15 movies announced with nothing solid behind them. No release date, some have no actors, some no directors, some neither, all things it takes to make a movie. I hate comparing them to Marvel but Marvel has plans together when they announce a movie.

[Simple Fan]

Supernatural must have known something, was a Batgirl comic book on this week's episode.

[Kalyx triaD]

I can't think of a movie that was necessary.

[Swiss Ultimate]

Necessary is a convenient, albeit hyperbolic word to describe movies.

The Psycho remake was unnecessary.

[Kalyx triaD]

There's lot of movies I'd want to see picking characters from comics or novels and I might even say I 'need' them as a phrase for excitement. But I'd never seriously say if a movie is necessary or not.

And it's just so introverted to say any media isn't needed, your preference don't dictate the output. If even one person is a fan than the media deserves its place, imo.

[Ezra]

Supernatural must have known something, was a Batgirl comic book on this week's episode.

Jared (Sam) has made it known he wants to play Nightwing. I reckon we might see Supernatural littered with some DC references.

[Simple Fan]

Jared (Sam) has made it known he wants to play Nightwing. I reckon we might see Supernatural littered with some DC references.

Ok, not a big fan of the show but my brother is and I'll catch it with him every once in a while. Not sure about him as Nightwing though.

[Simple Fan]

There's lot of movies I'd want to see picking characters from comics or novels and I might even say I 'need' them as a phrase for excitement. But I'd never seriously say if a movie is necessary or not.

And it's just so introverted to say any media isn't needed, your preference don't dictate the output. If even one person is a fan than the media deserves its place, imo.

It just feels like a reach to me but I could be wrong, I don't claim to be the be all end all. Just not sure how it fits in this universe and feels like it's a bit overkill at this point into the DCEU but I'll wait and see.

[Kalyx triaD]

If the universe is far enough along that Batman found, trained, worked with, and lost a Robin we can reason a lot of Bat-history has transpired and Babs being Batgirl is not a reach.

[Simple Fan]

Having the character isn't a reach no, but a standalone movie feels like one.

[Destor]

Having the character isn't a reach no, but a standalone movie feels like one.
Because...?

[Simple Fan]

Because she's a sidekick to begin with and I'm not sure what can be done with her. It might do good if they can tie her in well enough to draw interest but I don't see it right now. I think the whole DCEU is in limbo after Aquaman though.

[Destor]

Why can you not imagine a compelling story that doesn’t have a male lead? What is it about a girl batman that is keeping you from envisioning stories for her?

at this point I'm really curious

[Lock Jaw]

Also, Batgirl has pretty much never been a sidekick.

[Simple Fan]

The only compelling story I know of Batgirl is Killing Joke and I don't think they'll go that route especially if the goal is to get young girls interested. I'll admit I'm not real familiar with the character and just can't invision a movie based on her that fits into this universe.

[Destor]

So you arent familiar with the character but despite this your are dead set that she doesnt fit in the universe.

[Simple Fan]

Also, Batgirl has pretty much never been a sidekick.

I've always seen her as one and she was portrayed as one in Batman & Robin which was really my first introduction to batgirl. Batman is the only hero in Gotham, the rest are sidekicks to me.

[Simple Fan]

So you arent familiar with the character but despite this your are dead set that she doesnt fit in the universe.

I'm not dead set, I've said if done right I think it could work. I just think a campy girl movie is completely different for anything else they have done so far and a huge contrast from this Batman. Not saying this will be campy but if it's meant to draw in young girls I get that feeling.

[Destor]

"campy"


Yeah movies about girls are so campy. *high five*

[Destor]

bro

[Kalyx triaD]

You alone are conjuring the idea that a Batgirl movie will be some kind of campy chick flick. You don't know the character or Whedon's work it seems

[Damian Rey 2.0]

*to you

She's not actually a sidekick. She's an independent character who just happens to partner with Batman. That's different than being Robin, who works directly under and alongside Batman exclusively.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

The Hungerv Games was marketed to young girls. Barbie dolls, costumes, toys, bags, purses and the like. Not in the slightest is it a campy movie.

It's actually mind boggling some of the things you're (Simple Fan) saying. Making an awful lot of assumptions based on an admittedly limited amount of knowledge.

[Simple Fan]

You alone are conjuring the idea that a Batgirl movie will be some kind of campy chick flick. You don't know the character or Whedon's work it seems

Yeah I couldn't tell you who Whedon was, I don't pay a lot of attention to directors. If it weren't for you guys listing his stuff like Buffy the Vampire and Avengers I wouldn't even know that. I think they need to do their own thing and not try to be like Marvel though.

He might do a good job with it but I have my doubts about it along with everything else after Aquaman. Haven't watched a lot of Buffy but the Avenger movies were good. That's all any of us can do is speculate at this point though.

[Destor]

I have seen literally everything Joss has done. From episodes of Rosanne to Toy Story to Much Adu About Nothing to Dr. Horrible to Firefly to Dollhouse.

This movie couldnt be in better hands. And that isnt speculation that's a fact.

[Destor]

Anyome wanna take bets on who dies?

[Simple Fan]

I have seen literally everything Joss has done. From episodes of Rosanne to Toy Story to Much Adu About Nothing to Dr. Horrible to Firefly to Dollhouse.

This movie couldnt be in better hands. And that isnt speculation that's a fact.

I just gave him a Google and apparently people are mad that a woman isn't directing, who would've thought. I mean I'm not against the movie I just don't see the point in it but that's me. Once DC gets their shit together and all these movies get release dates and actors my option could change.

I enjoy these conversations though just for the difference in opinion. Most my friends that are into comics have the same opinions. You and me though are complete opposite and I like that.

[Simple Fan]

Anyome wanna take bets on who dies?

Read on his Wikipedia that that was one of the things he likes to do. I'm all for that as I love deaths and don't think they've had enough in the MCU.

[Destor]

Pretty sure Whedon is the only one who has off'd anyone so far...yes?

[Destor]

Well...Antony :'(

[Simple Fan]

Civil War could have really used a death and I wanted so bad for War Machine to die.

[Kalyx triaD]

There's not gonna be any major Avenger deaths until Infinity War, I imagine. Though I'm not liking Yondo's chances in Guardians 2.

As for Batgirl, knowing Whedon, Commissioner Gordon is in a hot seat.

[Destor]

I dont think warner would allow it. Maybe her other tho