Destiny 2 (PC and other things)

[#BROKEN Hasney]

Live stream is in 10 minutes from now. Obviously won't look as good as ARMS last night, but we can give it a chance.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

Overly dramatic music is playing while a countdown is on the screen. The music is not as good as ARMS.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

I have a pie in the oven.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

A second song has kicked in, even more dramatic. But I think they forgot to mute the first song. REEEEEEEEEEMIIIIXXXX

Can also hear people chatting to themselves.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

http://i.imgur.com/aUinMOZ.png?1

[#BROKEN Hasney]

"What makes a gun... A gun"

Oh do fuck off.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

'The 2 is a reminder'

Surprised it's not a reminder to take a deuce.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

PVP is now 4 v 4 for some reason. All of it.

1 Raid at launch (WTF?) and matchmaking for it. Wait, not matchmaking, just LFG. Wait, no-ones actually sure.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

First mission is on the citadel as it's blown up. Looks like Destiny alright.

30fps.

[Fignuts]

lol why did you even make a thread for this?

[#BROKEN Hasney]

The boss has appeared. He has a yellow energy bar that is longer than other energy bars. Other than a double Snickers which is a long energy bar.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

I think someone has left the FOV slider at like 5 or something

[#BROKEN Hasney]

lol why did you even make a thread for this?

I legit thought that by getting away from the development issues the first one had and killing off the last gen consoles they could come up with something massively improved learning from the mistakes of the original. Now it looks like a DLC pack, except you start from 0 and they ruined the best part of PVP.

I saw a leak about half hour before the start time and just groaned as it seemed legit, even though it seemed stupid.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

Ahaha the YouTubers will cheer anything, but that 4v4 cheer was damn muted.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

The fact you don't have to go into orbit to matchmake or shit is the first good thing.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

4 new worlds... Like Earth.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

Social lead talking about changing peoples lives... Here's some clans.

Fuck me.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

"We didn't have matchmaking for Raids because you're all garbage people"

Paraphrasing, but lol.

The Raids matchmaking shit is basically you can join a "guided game" and if the clan has a good rep, they can matchmake with people.

[ClockShot]

Sooooooo, no real matchmaking for raids. We can't just do them solo?

[#BROKEN Hasney]

Sooooooo, no real matchmaking for raids. We can't just do them solo?

Clans with good rep that need a couple of extra people will post adverts and you can jump in with them. Apparently will make people less toxic.

[ClockShot]

.........that is so stupid.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

"Here's the gameplay trailer!"

*opens with a lot of cutscenes*

[#BROKEN Hasney]

http://i.imgur.com/VldziCJ.jpg

[#BROKEN Hasney]

Playstation marketing deal and exclusively on PC on battle.net.

[road doggy dogg]

on bnet? the fuck?

[#BROKEN Hasney]

on bnet? the fuck?

With all those other Activision games like Overwatch. It's all the same family.

[drave]

Clans with good rep that need a couple of extra people will post adverts and you can jump in with them. Apparently will make people less toxic.


It works in World of Warcraft, so why not?

[ClockShot]

It works in World of Warcraft, so why not?

The question is, how long will they tolerate you in Raid if you don't know what the hell you're doing before they decide to boot ya.

This idea only causes more problems.

[drave]

My LFR experiences were largely positive. Players that "leet" won't need to pug.

[Ruien]

Feel Wow has an advantage of a chat box that I don't have while on XBox 1. WoW is also super casual now.

It will probably work though. Just don't suck.

[road doggy dogg]

For as much shit as it gets, WoW has found that sweet spot of catering to both sides.

The raids (at least in MoP and WoD) were some of the best raids they had ever done. I haven't seen much of Legion's. But the content is challenging for those that want the challenge, while the "training wheels mode" (LFR) is super casual and you can basically drool on your keyboard and see the content. Win-win.

[drave]

Feel Wow has an advantage of a chat box that I don't have while on XBox 1. WoW is also super casual now.

It will probably work though. Just don't suck.

Xbox foregoes chatboxes for voice chat. They have made it easier than any point in the past to both find a group and jump right in to party chat with said group.

Between "clubs" and "Looking for more" feature released in the last update, there are zero excuses. Of COURSE there will be elitists. I would think said public groups LF1M will specify how hardcore of a group they will be in any description. This is not hard and the more of a player base that gets to see this kind of content, the happier the players will be.

[Kalyx triaD]

I wanna see more of these subclasses. So far these abilities are from D1 subclasses tho there are new moves. The Solar Warlock sword super is wicked.

[Emperor Smeat]

Similar to the first game, Bungie has no plans to develop a Switch port for the sequel. Also squashed the idea of them reconsidering the decision within a year.

The game's project lead stated its mainly due to the game being online-only and them thinking it wouldn't be a good fit for the system.

Talking with IGN, project lead Mark Noseworthy stated that the developer isn't working on a port and doesn't think that the game would work on Switch. "I think it's pretty unrealistic, given we're an online-only game, right?" he said. "[The Switch is] incredible, I love the console, but in terms of where it's at, I don't want to leave anyone with the possibility of, like, 'It's a thing we'll consider, maybe next year.' There's no plans right now for Switch."

https://www.gamespot.com/articles/destiny-2-dev-has-no-plans-for-nintendo-switch-por/1100-6450193/

[Kalyx triaD]

Fair enough.

[Emperor Smeat]

Destiny 1's Grimoire Cards are getting ditched for this game according to Bungie. Same for having parts of the game's lore be locked away from normal ways of playing the game.

According to a report on Forbes, Destiny 2 is ditching both the Grimoire Cards and a whole bunch of required, out-of-game reading for more conventional methods.

Bungie developer Steve Cotton told Forbes' Erik Kain that the studio "[Wants] to put the lore in the game. We want people to be able to find the lore. All the story is told through the Adventures, it's told through the characters in the world, it's told through the campaign and it's told through scannables you find throughout the world."

[Fignuts]

Good. Those cards were gay.

[Emperor Smeat]

Bungie claiming issues with the PS4 Pro's CPU is the main reason why the Pro version of the game will be the same 30FPS framerate as other versions.

Speaking to Digital Foundry, Destiny 2 bosses Luke Smith and Mark Noseworthy mused on the possibility, but stated that they just couldn't get it to work: "The console, the PS4 Pro is super powerful, but it couldn’t run our game at 60. Our game’s this rich physics simulation where collision of players, networking, etc, and like, it wouldn’t run… [there’s] not enough horsepower there."

While Noseworthy does explain that the GPU is powerful enough to push 4K upscaling, the CPU side is the one that's lacking. He explains, "Destiny’s simulation, like we have more AI, more monsters in an environment with physically simulated vehicles and characters and projectiles, and it’s part of the Destiny magic, like that, like 30 seconds of fun, like coming around a corner and throwing a grenade, popping a guy in the head, and then you add like five, six, seven other players in a public event; that is incredibly intensive for hardware."
https://www.destructoid.com/destiny-2-isn-t-60fps-on-consoles-because-the-ps4-pro-can-t-even-run-it-437624.phtml

[Kalyx triaD]

I expect similar excuses with Xbox Scorpio. All the the specs in the world and I've been saying for years it's the devs who gotta do something about them. Otherwise it's dead tech.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

Nah, AMD CPUs are hamstrung by 10 year old tech and shitty efficiency that has now been rectified with Ryzen, but not in time for Pro/Scorpio. All those consoles have done is boost the GPU to get a higher resolution.

They could tone down elements of the world to get the framerate up, but the CPUs are so hamstrung that just toning down the graphics to prioritise framerate just isn't that possible anymore.

Still, Ryzen is so fucking good that the next iterations should be a lot better.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

Oh, I also watched Giant Bomb play the strike at the demo and it looked pretty good. Might be a good podcast game if they can actually keep that quality up throughout the whole package, which was one of the worst parts of the original. So inconsistent.

[Sepholio]

Nah, AMD CPUs are hamstrung by 10 year old tech and shitty efficiency that has now been rectified with Ryzen, but not in time for Pro/Scorpio. All those consoles have done is boost the GPU to get a higher resolution.

They could tone down elements of the world to get the framerate up, but the CPUs are so hamstrung that just toning down the graphics to prioritise framerate just isn't that possible anymore.

Still, Ryzen is so fucking good that the next iterations should be a lot better.

Ryzen is the fucking tits. I love mine. Also hope next gen systems incorporate M.2 SSDs.

[Kalyx triaD]

Here is a compilation of everything we know about Destiny 2. If I missed anything, please tell me along with the source you confirmed this from so that I can add it to the list. If you want me to give you the source for anything listed here, let me know and I will provide.

Game:

--Xbox One and PS4 editions of the game to release September 8, 2017.
--PC edition of the game to release at a later date.
--PC edition is releasing at a later date to make the game feel designed for PC as well to not be "just a port."
--Xbox One and PS4 editions are capped at 30 FPS (Xbox Scorpio TBD)
--PC will run an uncapped framerate.
--Beta dates expected to be revealed at E3 (Will Update)
--Season Pass available for preorder, with the first expansion to be related to Osiris and the second to be related to Rasputin.
--Destiny 2 will run a Dedicated Servers/P2P hybrid.
--Vanilla max level will be level 20 and max light is unknown.
--You will be able to travel from place to place in your director without needing to go to orbit.

Gameplay:

--Gunplay and UI to remain the same as Destiny 1, with a few minor changes.
--Subclass perk trees have been simplified to two paths to choose from. These paths require an item to unlock.
--Each class has a class ability, with Hunters having a Shadestep 2.0, Warlocks having a placeable rift that heals or gives you bonus damage (think a current Ward of Dawn without the bubble, just effects), and Titans having a placeable barrier.
--Each class ability has different upgrades.
--The following subclasses are being improved, but are more or less the same as D1 subclasses: Gunslinger, Nightstalker, Voidwalker, Stormcaller, Striker and Sunbreaker.
--The following subclasses are being replaced: Sunsinger, Defender and Bladedancer.
--Dawnblade is the new Warlock solar subclass, which gives you the ability to fly and chuck flaming swords. (Gameplay already available)
--Sentinel is the new Titan void subclass, which gives you a shield that you can throw, hit stuff with and use to defend. Think the Aegis from Vault of Glass that you can throw and doesn’t have a “defense buble.” (Gameplay at E3)
--Arcstrider is the new Hunter arc subclass, which is basically a MUCH more agile Bladedancer with a pole instead of a blade. It has been said by Bungie that this subclass makes good use of the Hunter’s dodge ability.
--Titans and Warlocks can no longer Titan or Warlock skate.
--Driveable tanks are seen in the trailer.
--Iron Banner and Trials of the Nine (Same as Trials of Osiris) are game modes as they are now.

Gunplay:

--Light Machine Guns are not in Destiny 2. SMG’s and Grenade Launchers are now present in Destiny 2.
--The weapons system is being reworked. Instead of Primary, Secondary and Heavy Weapons, we now have Kinetic, Energy and Power Weapons.
--Kinetic Weapons are non-elemental weapons that include Hand Cannons, Auto Rifles, Pulse Rifles, Scout Rifles, SMG’s and Sidearms.
--Energy Weapons are elemental weapons that include Hand Cannons, Auto Rifles, Pulse Rifles, Scout Rifles, SMG’s and Sidearms.
--Power Weapons are elemental or non-elemental weapons that include Sniper Rifles, Shotguns, Fusion Rifles, Rocket Launchers and Grenade Launchers.
--Bosses and higher health enemies are being adjusted to compensate for these changes.
--Enemy Guardians in PVP now require a few more shots from each Kinetic or Energy weapon to kill.
--Melee’s now three-shot in PVP.
--Sticky Grenades no longer one-shot in PVP.
--Power Ammo spawns more frequently in PVP, but only the person who picks it up gets the ammo.
--In the Crucible, Power Weapons will deal more damage to a super of the same element (Ex: Solar Weapon does more damage to Gunslinger).
--All supers are now a two-shot kill from other supers.
--Swords are also confirmed to be in Destiny 2.

Armor:

--Intellect, Discipline and Strength values are no longer on armor and no longer affect cooldown time for abilities.
--Armor, Recovery and Agility are no longer customizable through subclass perk nodes, but through armor.
--From what we have seen, Hunter armor is more agility focused, Warlock armor is more recovery focused, and Titan armor is more armor focused.
--Artifacts are no longer in the game, but have been replaced by Clan Banners.
--We have yet to see what Clan Banners do.

Exotics:

--We have seen four confirmed exotic weapons as of now: Dubious Volley (Exotic Rocket Launcher), Riskrunner (Exotic SMG), Sweet Business (Exotic Auto Rifle) and Sunshot (Exotic Hand Cannon).
--Bungie has stated that the rarity of exotics will be in the middle of Year One and Year Three.

Story:

--The vanilla story will have more cutscenes than Destiny and all of the expansions did combined.
--We will lose our powers, but regain the via a shard of the Traveler in the European Dead Zone.
--Current planets include Earth, Nessus, Io and Titan.
--As of now, we will be seeing the Cabal, Vex, SIVA Fallen and Hive in vanilla Destiny 2.
--The first mission is not Homecoming, as shown in the gameplay reveal. There will be a tutorial mission beforehand.
--One social space is confirmed as of now, which is the Farm. More, perhaps?

Crucible:

--New and improved UI that shows who on both teams has a super.
--The game calls out when and where power ammo is picked up, and by whom.
--The game tells when somebody uses a super.
--Kinetic and Energy weapons take a few more shots to kill than current Primaries and Sidearms.
--Not too much has changed otherwise that we now of right now.

[ClockShot]

Meh, I still don't know. Feels like they're are complicating a few things that can just stay the same.

No LMGs (farewell Thunderlord :'(), standard/special/heavy is replace by kinetic/power/energy, guided games, 4v4 pvp, etc. Just alot to take in/get used to.

Maybe the Microsoft or Sony presser will have a good presentation that may convince me more.

[Kalyx triaD]

It seems they streamlined a lot of things, really.

[Emperor Smeat]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Destiny 2's PlayStation exclusive content will arrive on Xbox One and PC in 2018.</p>&mdash; Luke Smith (@thislukesmith) <a href="https://twitter.com/thislukesmith/status/875410897132371968">June 15, 2017</a></blockquote>
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[Fignuts]

It seems they streamlined a lot of things, really.

This is why I'm not that hyped yet. The developers hinted that there were going to be major changes. "Destiny 2 is a completely different animal" was one quote. So far nothing shown really shakes up the formula as much as was implied.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

They didn't even include beards

[Emperor Smeat]

Bunige announced several dates for the game's upcoming beta with PS4 owners getting it first.

By way of pre-orders you'll be able to play it on PS4 first on July 18 at 10AM PT, followed by July 21 access at that same time in an open format. The Xbox One beta kicks off a day later on July 19 at 10AM PT, and will also open up on July 21. PC access unfortunately is scheduled for "late August," which is right before the game is even out on consoles in September (the full PC edition will hit a month later in October).
https://www.destructoid.com/destiny-2-s-beta-will-start-next-month-first-on-ps4-445735.phtml

[ClockShot]

Anybody on the PS4 pre-order this and playing the beta today?

Would appreciate if you could share your thoughts. Still not sold on it yet.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

Got halfway through the story mission and thought "Yup, this is Destiny" and uninstalled it. It feels like an add-on pack with upgraded production values.

[drave]

BUT IT HAS A 2!!!!!!

[alvarado52]

I pre-ordered, but only because I had a bunch of points to spend on my Playstation account...otherwise, I wouldnt have spent a dime on this.

Its Destiny...it'll be fun for like 10 minutes when you have a group of buddies on with a common goal, then it'll fall out of favor.

The game feel completely identical to Destiny 1, with a few more particle effects.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

I'm going to try the PC beta. I might enjoy it more at a higher framerate and mouse.

[ClockShot]

Currently downloading Destiny 2 beta.

Here's hoping...

[ClockShot]

So, let's see.

I finish the first mission. And the only options I have are the Strike and a couple multiplayer modes. And supposedly they're opening up The Farm for a single hour........sometime. Not much of a test if you ask me.

During the alpha & beta tests for Destiny 1, we had all of Earth to explore, a handful of missions, a strike, golden chest hunting, some multiplayer, AND IF YOU WERE LUCKY AND TIMED IT RIGHT, went and explored the Moon.

Don't even get me started on the weapons.:fu:

I've played enough. I'm going to pass on this for right now. If I got a bunch of friends who grab this and need an extra guy, I'll get it on the cheap. But for now, no reason to rush to Gamestop and put down $5.

[drave]

Definitely same shit, different destiny.

[Kalyx triaD]

Not too crazy with the removal of loadout options with the subclasses but it does streamline things. I'm not so sure this is day-1 for me but it does make for a great for 'lounge' game. Playing patrol and such while listening to youtube.

[ClockShot]

Don't know if anyone cares or not. But, the beta got extended to Tuesday.

[ClockShot]

Got an e-mail from Gamestop telling me to pre-order now and get a shitload of more in-game goodies.

I don't know who's more desperate right now. Bungie for the game's success? Or Gamestop for getting more sales?

[Kalyx triaD]

Either way I don't think sales are gonna be what they want it to be. It's very clear Destiny as a series will not be one of the big franchises Halo was.

Between that and CoDWW2's similar lukewarm image, Activision needs to do some soul searching. Overwatch, Halo 5, Battlefield 1, GTA Online, and Titanfall 2 have varying populations but very strong attachment with the gamers they have. And they all have very strong post-releases. These are literally Destiny and CoDs weaknesses.

They have to adjust.

[Fignuts]

From Edge Magazine
"in total there are over 80 missions and activities in Destiny 2, and each is substantial -- in length, challenge, story and reward."

Also mentioned over 50 hours of story content.

So I'll probably be getting this when it comes out.

[alvarado52]

Wish they would let progression switch between PS4 and X1 for those of us who may have both consoles with active friends...

[Kalyx triaD]

The Sony exclusive content puts a kink on that.

[Fignuts]

Gonna try and convince the heisenberg world order to pick it up so we can do raids and shit.

[Kalyx triaD]

Probably still gonna grind and do patrols and weekly stuff just to put together the right build and bust heads on PvP again. Glad to hear the adjustments with Crucible post beta.

I really hope more sub-'sub'-classes gets added because the new system really hurts creativity and flexibility. Especially with the new rule for some missions where you can't change your build once you start.

[Emperor Smeat]

Australia and Japan to get the game first due to the staggered midnight release system setup by Bungie. US will get the game last but with a twist.

Given that Destiny 2 is such a massive online-only release with millions of worldwide fans, it's tough to just flip a switch and have everyone get access at the same time. To combat any server stoppage problems, Bungie is rolling out a staggered launch schedule, with certain regions gaining access before others.

The way it works is that once it hits midnight in any given region, you're good to go. Australia and Japan get in first, then naturally most of Europe, then the US. But the latter region has a proviso -- if you live on the west coast, you'll be able to access the game at 9PM PT, the same time as east coast midnight. This is for PS4, mind, as a result of a Sony-specific announcement, but we've reached out to Microsoft to confirm that they're doing the same rollout.

https://www.destructoid.com/destiny-2-will-have-a-staggered-worldwide-release-australia-and-japan-get-it-first-458184.phtml

[#BROKEN Hasney]

Playing the PC version of Destiny 2 after the PS4 Pro version

https://i.redd.it/guywvvoz27jz.jpg

[ClockShot]

Raid goes live 1 week after launch.

Yep. Yet again, it's the race to max level/light. THEN the test begins on this guided games idea.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

Apparently, story missions will not be playable in co-op first time around, only after beating them.

lol

[Kalyx triaD]

Wtf

[Kalyx triaD]

Only early parts of the story. Bungie confirmed.

[Shadow]

After going through the first mission solo in the beta....yeah that's fine.

And also purchased this.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

Polygons review has the following quote which makes me want to get it

"It's Destiny, without all the bullshit."

[Kalyx triaD]

Polygon.

[Emperor Smeat]

The newly revamped clan system won't be available till "several days" after launch according to Bungie.
https://www.destructoid.com/destiny-2-s-overhauled-clan-system-won-t-be-available-for-several-days--459509.phtml


Unlike with the first game Sparrows will be limited to rare status in terms of item drop rates. Official reason related to Bungie wanting players to rush less through the game's content and instead spend more time exploring.
https://www.destructoid.com/the-decision-to-limit-sparrows-to-rare-drops-in-destiny-2-is-baffling-459501.phtml


Japan decided to celebrate the launch of the game via a dancing commercial for the game.
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[ClockShot]

Yeah, I don't get the no Sparrow thing. Another reason to not buy the game this soon.

Sparrow Racing League was fun and the improved Sparrows that came along later were cool as hell.

[Fignuts]

Kinda get where they're coming from, and I like exploring so I don't really mind, but it's only going to annoy people at the end of the day.

[Kalyx triaD]

If you want people to explore you make the world worth exploring. You don't artificially keep people on their feet.

[Fignuts]

Played through the opening mission. !0 minutes and I'm already way more invested in the story than I ever was in the first game.

Looks fucking gorgeous too. Can't really speak any more on it until I do more missions and open the game up.

[ClockShot]

And now they're screaming about the Shaders. :nono:

STOP FUCKING WITH THE GOOD STUFF!

http://www.ign.com/articles/2017/09/06/destiny-2s-armor-shaders-are-single-use-and-players-are-mad

[Fignuts]

You know the bright engrams thing seemed okay to me. A little slimey to put mods in them and not just cosmetic stuff, but whatever. Not like you can get exotic armor or weapons or anything.

But that shader bullshit is just blatant greed. No reason to change how it was before, other than to force people to buy the bright engrams.

[Emperor Smeat]

Xbox One version currently dealing with a bug involving the game's matchmaking system.

Unfortunately if it happens while your playing, there is no quick fix for it and need to wait till Bungie fixes the system. They did say it shouldn't take long for them to fix the matchmaking system though.

While Destiny 2 players on PS4 have faced connection and crashing issues, the Xbox One version hasn't been entirely issue-free. A new problem involving matchmaking has surfaced that is preventing some players from accessing the Crucible and certain aspects of the game.

Bungie confirmed on Twitter that it's aware of issues with "long matchmaking times," which may present the error code Mongoose. The developer didn't have any tips for working around the issue, but it did say it's adjusting matchmaking settings to reduce wait times.

"We're changing the way Matchmaking evaluates new players in the system with no previous Matchmaking history," Bungie said on its forums. "That evaluation period will be shorter for faster and simpler matchmaking. Beyond the new user experience, Matchmaking settings will be unchanged."

[Shadow]

And this is why the game is delayed on the PC.

[Emperor Smeat]

In regards to the shaders controversy, Bungie isn't budging on changing or tweaking the new shader system.

The game's director downplayed the complaints and even tried to spin this as being good for players since they should be wanting to replay missions and events as many times as possible.

The game's director, Luke Smith, attempted to address the issue over Twitter this week, downplaying the nature of the new shader mechanic and attempting to explain that it's actually good for the game.

Smith retorts that players should be "flush with shaders," while playing, that they drop more often at 20, that it's a "unique reward" for playing (hey just like the old shaders), and that you'll want to repeat events to get more shaders.
https://www.destructoid.com/despite-fan-outcry-it-seems-like-bungie-s-new-shader-system-is-here-to-stay-459909.phtml

[ClockShot]

:rofl:

[#BROKEN Hasney]

https://i.imgur.com/uL5eRhA.jpg

[Fignuts]

That reasoning for the shaders is fucking retarded. It's a loot grind game. People are going to replay events regardless of whether shaders are involved.

Secondly, Even well past level 20, you get better shit enough that you can't keep a full set of armor with the same shader for more than 10 minutes.

Making shaders consumables wouldn't have been so bad if the shader altered colors for the entire set like the first game. As it is, separating it into each armor part borks it all up.

End of the day, I'm glad the one bullshit Destiny 1 type decision they made was for something that's only cosmetic.

[Fignuts]

Besides the shader blunder, I'm really enjoying the game.

Campaign was much better than the first. Nothing groundbreaking, but it does a good job getting you more invested in the universe and it's characters.

I'm guessing that massive fleet at the end of the post credits scene is the Nine, and they'll be the antagonists of one of the expansions.

One reason that I came back to the original so much is the art design. The game is gorgeous to look at. Not just because of the graphics although those have notably improved. There's just so much sci fi scenery porn here. The zones of each planet are more unique, and also offer more verticality.

Hell of a lot more to do in this game as well. In addition to strikes, and patrols, there are also Adventures, which serve as side missions to the main story. They're kind of like mini strikes. There's also lost sectors which are semi hidden areas with a loot chest guarded by a bunch of enemies and a boss. Public events were in the first game, but now you can see on your map where they are and how long til they happen, and the rewards are better. Also, challenges in each planet that Ikora rewards you for completing. I actually had to unlock patrols through a post campaign mission, and there's a couple more of these available. So there might be another activity or two that I don't know about yet.

Tried 3 of the 5 strikes, and they were a lot of fun. The boss fights seem to have a gimmick to them that adds a bit of depth, so it's not just a bullet sponge fight.

If you skipped the first one, or got bored with it quick like I did, I'd give the series a second chance. This is a much better experience imo, even if the dress up portion is wonky right now.

[Emperor Smeat]

Someone is currently in the process of beating the game using bananas as a controller for the PS4 (via a PC controller mod).

http://i.imgur.com/UVZJXCf.gif
http://imgur.com/gallery/v3cjO

[Fignuts]

Now that I'm into the post game content, the shaders stuff isn't so bad. Main thing thats turned me around is the legendary drop rate. Game practically drops them lkke candy, so if you put together a set of armor you like, you can put a shader on all of it, and just infuse stuff to keep it leveled. I'm sitting on 80 legendary shards and have been infusing stuff right along.

[Fignuts]

So who here has this? Because from what I understand, being in a clan nets you quite a lot of rewards. If there are enough people here with the game, I'll start a tpww clan.

[Tom Guycott]

Besides the shader blunder, I'm really enjoying the game...

... If you skipped the first one, or got bored with it quick like I did, I'd give the series a second chance. This is a much better experience imo, even if the dress up portion is wonky right now.

What about someone like me who couldn't be bothered with getting Taken King, so my playtime dropped to zero because I couldn't do shit anymore and even regular patrol mooks were giving me hassle because level cap?

[ClockShot]

So who here has this? Because from what I understand, being in a clan nets you quite a lot of rewards. If there are enough people here with the game, I'll start a tpww clan.

Staying away at the moment. Played the first Destiny like crazy. But I eventually hit the invisible wall of end game content and stepped away.

If this guided games idea works, I may grab this on a Black Friday deal, as it solves the BIG problem in the first game. But as I've been harping about in the thread, not digging a lot of the changes Bungie made.

[Kalyx triaD]

Now that I'm into the post game content, the shaders stuff isn't so bad. Main thing thats turned me around is the legendary drop rate. Game practically drops them lkke candy, so if you put together a set of armor you like, you can put a shader on all of it, and just infuse stuff to keep it leveled. I'm sitting on 80 legendary shards and have been infusing stuff right along.

So if there's a shader I like, say a nice darkish purple set, I'm gonna get that exact shader a bunch of times to get my gear set matched up?

I changed my main colors maybe four times ever in D1, so the changes hurt me the most. I like having a main shader. Forever. Not this thing where on top of RNG changes I have to hop I get the same shader basically everytime.

How does the game know which shader I prefer?

[Kalyx triaD]

What about someone like me who couldn't be bothered with getting Taken King, so my playtime dropped to zero because I couldn't do shit anymore and even regular patrol mooks were giving me hassle because level cap?

Everybody starts fresh.

[Fignuts]

So if there's a shader I like, say a nice darkish purple set, I'm gonna get that exact shader a bunch of times to get my gear set matched up?

I changed my main colors maybe four times ever in D1, so the changes hurt me the most. I like having a main shader. Forever. Not this thing where on top of RNG changes I have to hop I get the same shader basically everytime.

How does the game know which shader I prefer?

Whenever the game drops a shader, it gives you 2-4 at once.

[Kalyx triaD]

Say there's a shader called Sexy Violet. I love it. I want it all over me like a seductive cheese dip.

Am I getting that 2-4 times at once? Or are you saying the drop rate theoretically gives me more chances to get that shader?

[Fignuts]

2-4 times at once, so you'll be able to put it on several pieces of armor right off the bat. Can't control which shaders randomly drop. You can see which shaders the factions give out in their legendary engrams, and you can just grind out tokens to get more of the ones you want, but outside of that you don't have any control over what shaders drop.

I'm at 263 light right now and I'm sitting on a ton of shaders. Many of which I've gotten more than once, including legendaries.

Shaders are attached to the specific armor piece its equipped to, so if you're the type who likes to just equip more powerful armor instead of infusing what you like, then the new system is going to suck for you.

Like I said, best thing to do is hold onto your shaders until you find a set of armor you like, apply the shader, and then infuse it with more powerful gear as you come across it. It actually makes for an interesting way to collect gear. I'm going to put together different sets of armor that buff the different hunter classes, and then swap out armor when I switch sub classes.

Another cool thing is that you can now apply shaders to weapons, ships, and sparrows.

[Fignuts]

Only big downer is that the factions from D1 aren't in this.

Absolutely loved FWC's color scheme and armor rewards. My LED helmet was fucking tits.

[Ruien]

So who here has this? Because from what I understand, being in a clan nets you quite a lot of rewards. If there are enough people here with the game, I'll start a tpww clan.

Staying away at the moment. Played the first Destiny like crazy. But I eventually hit the invisible wall of end game content and stepped away.

If this guided games idea works, I may grab this on a Black Friday deal, as it solves the BIG problem in the first game. But as I've been harping about in the thread, not digging a lot of the changes Bungie made.

Same for me. Will get it during the Black Friday season.

[Tom Guycott]

So who here has this? Because from what I understand, being in a clan nets you quite a lot of rewards. If there are enough people here with the game, I'll start a tpww clan.

Possible interest, as RebeL LionS aren't exactly active anyhow.

But I will be one of those waiting a bit on this. My main curiosities and actual financial obligations lie elsewhere. Will be picking up Cuphead and Ghost of a Tale, as well as re-upping my Live this month. My grindy itch is and has been being scratched by Destiny's unintentional competition, so not on pins and needles of *having* to jump in right now like I was on the first.

[Fignuts]

Recommended power level for the raid is 260-280. I'm at 277 right now, so I'm good to go.

[Emperor Smeat]

Game managed to top the sales charts in Japan for its debut although only sold 50k copies and 5k more than 2nd place Splatoon 2.

Around 45% lower than what Destiny 1 did for its PS4 launch in Japan (91,277).

https://www.destructoid.com/destiny-2-debuts-atop-japan-charts-despite-modest-numbers-460735.phtml

[ClockShot]

The Legend Himself is World First for the new raid. Knocked it out in 6 hours.

[Fignuts]

Trials of the Nine is pretty hardcore. Need a weapon with range, as there are lots of long sight lines.

Also, FUCK the Midas Multi Tool

[ClockShot]

Hunter's best friend. Get some boots with a speed perk, a few other doodads, unstoppable.

Oh, and the extra pop it puts out.

[Kalyx triaD]

Me and Khuntry ran crucible last night and whatever streamlining they tried for the kiddies won't prevent the new team composition meta that's gonna explode in a few weeks once people figure the 'characters' Bungie made with each sub-class.

Hit level 20 and I don't know if I'm gonna finish campaign sense so much stuff opened up. When I get back home I dunno if I'll get this immediately since Marvel will be out that night. I'll see what Deadwingz thinks. Mull it over.

[Kalyx triaD]

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[Fignuts]

After plauing trials for a week, I'm now owning on regular crucible. Shit is seriously next level.

[alvarado52]

Some slight Nightfall cheese to get max time (super helpful for us who need to get Rat King exotic *coughFiggycough*)

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[ClockShot]

And bungie will probably fix that in their next update.

[Fignuts]

Wish they would just ditch the timer. Turns what should be a fun challenge into a stressful one.

[Kalyx triaD]

The timer gimmick was fun in that Black Spindle challenge but I can't imagine why they'd make that a Nightfall thing. So many odd decisions with this game.

[Fignuts]

I knew that if your clan beat the raid you'd get an engram, but I didn't know it contained actual raid gear. Logged on and got the full auto Scout Rifle exclusive to the raid. Thing is fucking sick.

[alvarado52]

Send me that clan invite figgy!

[Fignuts]

I can't the clan leader needs to invite. Maybe you can request to join. Lemme check.

[Fignuts]

Proper Top Blokes

That's the clan. Says it's open membership so you should be able to join up on bungie.net.

[Ruien]

Amazon had this for 25 dollars so I bought it. Kind of skeptical since i heard it is my the best but figured it should be fun to play for a little bit at least.

[ClockShot]

I grabbed the digital deluxe edition with the expansions. But I'm going to wait until Curse of Osiris goes lives so I can really sink some time into it.............for about a month or so.

[Fignuts]

Osiris goes live on the 5th but bungie also announced a bunch of changes and new content coming in a free update on the 12th.

[Ruien]

Fuck me so I need to buy that alrewady too.

[ClockShot]

Yeah. December/early January was when The Dark Below dropped. So the timing here sound about right.

[ClockShot]

Fired this up got to the Farm.

Anybody do the Curse of Osiris stuff yet? I hear the campaign is really quick.

[Kalyx triaD]

Not even contemplating spending money until they fix PvP playlists.

[Fignuts]

New areas are pretty cool.

[Fignuts]

lol Bungie themselves admitted the new exotic tracer rifle is completely broken

Looks cool as fuck though. Want it.

Finished the campaign yesterday. Pretty good. Cool end boss. Also adds 3 adventures after that, as well Heroic versions of adventures.

Gonna Czech out the strikes tonight.

New exotic hunter arms kinda lame. Got Orpheus Rig combined with Nightstalker which is BEAST, but I don't really like the look of Rig, and I'm very much about style when it comes to Destiny

Mercury faction armor looks neat. Might try and get the set.

[Fignuts]

Damn, wish it was like the first one where you could just choose a specific strike. Random playlist kinda sucks.

[Kalyx triaD]

Yeah that's a major issue for me in PvP. Strikes were always random tho.

[Fignuts]

Heroic strikes wereIn the first game, you could choose a strike on the mission map if you wanted to try it out.

[Fignuts]

You can preview the armor ornaments coming in the next faction rally and god damn, New Monarchy and Dead Orbits look really cool.

Future War Cult dull as ever. All their budget must have gone to that fancy room in the tower.

Sucks, as their stuff was so cool in the first game.

[Kalyx triaD]

Heroic strikes wereIn the first game, you could choose a strike on the mission map if you wanted to try it out.

Yeah nobody did that, there was very little reason to do that. Aside from liking the set pieces that much.

Being able to choose individual Strikes at their rewarding Heroic difficulties would be the middle ground we need.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

Ouch, looks like you're locked out of shit you used to be able to do and some weapons you used to be able to get unless you pay up for the DLC again? Fuck me, I was waiting to see if this bullshit would go on again.

Curse of Osiris, which came out Tuesday, raises the caps on Destiny 2character and Power levels. It also raises the requirements for endgame activities across the board, like the raid and Nightfall strike. Whereas in vanilla Destiny 2 the tougher, Prestige versions of both the raid and Nightfall asked you to have a minimum Power level of 300, they now want you to be 330.

The problem here is that if you don’t have Curse of Osiris, you’re capped at 305 Power, and you can’t actually enter those activities until you buy the expansion

Prestige Raid also not possible to play without DLC. Was part of base game.

Nightfall was also part of the base game, now locked behind the DLC.

Trials of the Nine, basically the competitive weekend playlist, locked behind DLC. Was part of base game as well.

Looks like it might be possible to refund the base game though:

https://www.reddit.com/r/DestinyTheGame/comments/7i1l2n/you_can_get_sonyms_to_refund_your_purchase_thanks/

[Kalyx triaD]

That's actually how it's always kinda been. The new high end gear is often DLC and the an update tends to add new stuff to the endgame. You always had to spend money to keep up in power and activities.

This paid content thing is starting to hit hysteria levels. Not every DLC item is a cause worth rallying against, unless everybody actually wants to spend $90 on a game. I would, but most would not.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

Yeah, it always has been, but locking people out of activities that were already doable (especially on PC which has only been out for a month and a half) should be unacceptable. They should make a compelling reason to buy the DLC rather than make people feel like they have to.

I wasn't mentioning new high level gear either. I was saying that certain previously obtainable gear is now not obtainable.

EDIT: Thought I had that part in my original post, but I didn't. Here it is:

Non-DLC users cannot unlock the Exotic Shotgun as they changed the quest (basically prestige Nightfall [Arms Dealers]) to match the new prestige requirements. This is content that I was going to do even if I didn't want to do prestige raid. (The quest itself still says Required Power Level: 300)

https://imgur.com/a/WxZoE (First Picture is of me being in the quest and then dying to show the rec power level 330 and the 2nd is of the quest in the game after the dlc. It remains unchanged and still shows 300)

You cannot hit 330 without the DLC as you are locked into 300/305 until you are level 21-25 which is only available in the DLC. Scaling makes this pretty close to impossible for the majority of the players to overcome basically paper armor armed with peashooters mode. I just want my shotty :<

(I thought my friends and I could just slowly hit 300 then grab the shotgun but apparently nope PC only gets 6 weeks then its off the the chopping block)

https://www.reddit.com/r/DestinyTheGame/comments/7hzhgd/the_exotic_raid_shotgun_is_now_walled_off_by_the/

[Kalyx triaD]

So give people the shotgun, I guess.

[ClockShot]

Patrolling this time around is a bit confusing at first. But I'm starting to get it........again. Apparently I need to move heaven and earth to get a Sparrow.

Also wish there was a legend for those new symbols dotted around the map. I know one is for area loot chest. Don't know what the other is.

[Fignuts]

lol The vanilla game literally has less content if you don't buy the DLC.

It's like Activision saw everyone calling EA the worst publisher ever, and went "hold my beer"

[Ruien]

Okay, started this up. Is there any active TPWW clans via Xbox?

[Fignuts]

Nah. You're gonna want to join a clan that has 40-50 members, so you can reap the benefits and get illuminous engrams every week, in addition to the level prks.

I've gotten a raid gun without even participating in the raid.

[Ruien]

Alright. What is the best way to find a clan? Forums I am assuming.

[Fignuts]

https://www.bungie.net/en/ClanV2/MyClans

Could be wrong, but I think you can sign up to a clan right from that site.

[Ruien]

0layed this for a few hours and am already level 11. Seems odd since the max level is 20 pre expac. Is this game super short?

[Kalyx triaD]

The levels just regulate the gear you get. Lvl 20 is when the real game begins. From their you're basically trying to max out your light level, or at least getting to a place where you're good with your loadout for whatever you like to do in the end game, be it Trials or Raid or whatever.

[Fignuts]

Jesus Christ, Prometheus lens is crazy good.

[ClockShot]

Made it to Titan last night. Weird setting. Although this must be Bungie's vision of what it looks like on the surface.

[Fignuts]

There are areas deeper in that look pretty cool.

[Ruien]

Made it to Titan last night. Weird setting. Although this must be Bungie's vision of what it looks like on the surface.

I made it their too last night. We are like twins!

[Ruien]

I havnt fought any new enemies yet I don't think either. Feels odd. Figured there would be a whole new breed of enemies or a ton of new types for the current factions.

[ClockShot]

There are areas deeper in that look pretty cool.

Yeah, I've gone into some tunnels and found a couple lost areas.

But, when I landed, I expected a big earthlike area to explore. Wasn't expecting endless ocean and hoping around on some oil platforms.

I think this is Destiny 2's version of The Moon. 3 areas and the Temple of Crota running underneath.

[Kalyx triaD]

Every planet has lost sectors.

[ClockShot]

Fully aware.

[Fignuts]

Have you gotten to the Arcology?

[ClockShot]

Yep. Wrapped things up on Titan and jetted over to Nessus. Wrapped up the 2 missions there and on my way to Io.

Failsafe is a freakin' hoot. Kudos to whoever at Bungie came up with her.

[Fignuts]

Yep. Wrapped things up on Titan and jetted over to Nessus. Wrapped up the 2 missions there and on my way to Io.

Failsafe is a freakin' hoot. Kudos to whoever at Bungie came up with her.



I couldn't take Failsafe. Came off like a lame knock off version of GLADOS to me.

[Shadow]

Jesus Christ, Prometheus lens is crazy good.

Yeah don't expect that to last. Bungie is already on it's way to nerf it by...Tuesday I think. Whenever the next patch is anyways. I do love the fact that instead of just hording it, they gave it to Xur to sell to everyone.

Can't have an advantage if everyone's got your toy.

[ClockShot]

Beat story mode. Now, the real work/fun/grind begins.

Grabbed some Silver and bought a couple 5 packs on engrams. Got some sweet Sparrows and some other..........stuff.

[Fryza]

With every passing moment in this game as the woman and I play it, I remind myself how much I miss the first one.

Though there are something I still really enjoy about this one. Namely how good autos now are.

[Fignuts]

Good. Those cards were gay.

Damn it. When I posted this, I thought they meant they were putting an in game codex into the game. Not the case. They say players can discover the lore in game, but it's no where near as encompassing as the grimoire.

As much as I hated how they were implemented, the cards themselves were great for lore nerds like me. I loved reading the little snippets on every boss enemy, and the little mini stories about various topics.

[ClockShot]

Gettin' lucky with the Bright Engrams.

Got an exotic ship and exotic ghost for in a couple yesterday. Ship got a lousy transmat effect, so gotta find a cooler one.

Almost ready to venture into the big bad world of Strikes.

[ClockShot]

Finished Curse of Osiris.

Man, what the hell happened there? Reviewers weren't lying when they said this was the worse add-on next to House of Wolves.

And I liked House of Wolves, even if all it did was add a new social space and the Prison.

[Fignuts]

Yeah, wouldn't recommend it.

Fucking strikes are just the campaign mission with different audio clips dubbed in. Same boss and everything. Lazy as fuck.

[ClockShot]

Holiday event starts tomorrow.

I'll jump back in and see if they improved upon it unlike years past.

[Fignuts]

Wait, vcan you only get dawning engrams by fucking buying them? Leveled up but it only gave me a regular bright engram.

[Fignuts]

Also, saw this post about grimoire cards and really identified with it

It helps that the grimoire was a written account of lore. It gave background to the things we did and the places we explored, as well as allowed them to tell side stories.
Like if D1 didn't have a grimoire, we wouldn't know anything about Dredgen Yor or the fate of Eris' fireteam, or the ahamkara, or the Nine, or the happenings in the Vault of Glass.

Like reading about Eris' fireteam and what they encountered gave context to what we encountered in the Crota's End raid. Reading about Rasputin or the Ishtar Collective scientists or the Fallen in general gave us insight and context for the game's story missions. Everything had another layer beneath it.

Like finding a dead Titan on the Moon way back during the beta, and your Ghost wonders who it is. Then six months later, reading in the grimoire that the titan Vell Tarlowe was killed in that exact spot back when Eris was on the moon.
Or finding a glowing shield in the Vault of glass that protects you, then reading Kabr's accounts of how the Vex, and how he broke apart a shell of a Gorgon and made a shield with his light.

There was just cool s***. Now there is no more cool s***. There are not more "Ah-ha!" moments where the lore clicks with the game and makes it seem like they thought things out way in advance.

Now its just like there's an old piece of s*** on the ground that you can scan, and then your Ghost goes "Huh, a dead shank. Hey, remember Oryx and how cool the game used to be? We haven't made any new lore since then."
Or you hold L2 on an item and get:

Cayde: "Dude, broski. I like... went fast on a sparrow."
Ikora: "Brah! Gnarly!"
Zavala: "Bro indeed. Let the records show that going fast on a sparrow is gnarly."

[mrwalty]

Also, saw this post about grimoire cards and really identified with it

Wow totally can relate to that too.

I was so hyped for D2 as eventually D1 was a pretty decent game. However I stopped playing it 5 weeks ago and have only gone back the once to play laser tag. That shit was crazy dope.

Still hopeful they can sort out all the issues in this game but for the time being I will stick to Fortnite or even GTA

[ClockShot]

Wait, vcan you only get dawning engrams by fucking buying them? Leveled up but it only gave me a regular bright engram.

No. Dawning engrams through mayhem crucible and strikes, so far.

But yes, too, you can buy dawning engrams with silver.

[Kalyx triaD]

https://www.bungie.net/en/Explore/Detail/News/46567

[Fignuts]

So basically fixes and improvements that should have been there from the start.

[Kalyx triaD]

Gotta start somewhere.

[Fignuts]

Least they're getting rid of that time limit bullshit on nightfalls. Not that I know enough people that still play this to do a nightfall but whatever.

[ClockShot]

Well that's nice. Makes all those trying to get the Rat King have an easier time.

[ClockShot]

Hotfix went into effect yesterday and Faction Rallies are back.

I can finally re-join Dead Orbit.

[Fignuts]

I remember seeing the ornaments for New Monarch armor and thinking they were really cool.

But to get them I'd have to play Destiny 2.

[Kalyx triaD]

They pretty admitted that it'll be a year before the game gets back on it's feet.

[Fignuts]

New faction rally stuff seems cool. I like the risk/reward system of renown.

https://www.bungie.net/en/Explore/Detail/News/46917

New Monarchy gear looks incredible as usual, so they will probably win again. Hope last seasons armor and ornaments are also available as I missed out on a lot of it. Wish Future War Cult stuff was as cool as it was in destiny 1

[Fignuts]

nevermind, they bungled it yet again.

Previously you could join a different faction for each character on your account. Now you can only join one faction across all characters. That would be shitty by itself, but on top of that, there are exotic weapon catalysts exclusive to each faction.

They're doing this to make choosing a faction a "meaningful choice". However most people believe that's bullshit and they're only doing it so people will keep playing through til the September update so they can get all the faction stuff.


Personally, I'm not bothered that much by it, but I understand why others are up in arms about it, and I definitely think it was a bad decision on bungie's part. The best way to keep people playing your game is to add meaningful content that they enjoy participating in. Not by forcing them to grind by removing player freedom and choices.


I was excited about the upcoming Armor Sets and the possibilities involved, but now I'm not sure I have faith in bungie to deliver on it after this.



Anyway, I thought New Monarchy would win again, but since Dead Orbit has the Graviton Lance catalyst, it's definitely going to them.

[Kalyx triaD]

Faction Rally is dumb.

[alvarado52]

This whole game is dumb.

fixed.

[Fignuts]

It could be such a good game. So nerve racking.

[Kalyx triaD]

It's gotten better. We're playing a lot more. But there's a lot of head pounding things that still makes no sense.

[alvarado52]

Saw you guys on...its just hard for me to convince myself to get back into the grind, yknow? Especially when they seem really intent on recycling content.

[Fignuts]

Between me, you, and kalyx's crew we might have enough to do the raid.

[Kalyx triaD]

Yeah we been wanting to tackle the vanilla raid at least.

[Fignuts]

We can at least get that Nightfall done.

But yeah, between Vanilla, Prestige, and the 2 Lairs, you can get around 10 or 11 pieces of powerful gear per week. That's how some people got to 380 within the first couple weeks of Warmind.

[Kalyx triaD]

I'm not nearly as concerned with max light as I am getting my perks and attributes lined up the way I want.

[Fignuts]

I am.

Gotta get to max light so we can beat escalation protocol and get that sick armor set.

[My Final Heaven]

Just bought the Limited Edition with the pass for the 2 expansions, betting on 99% of the hate going on being over unnoticeable, negligible BS. I played the shit out of D1, the game I bought a PS4 for & was a super satisfying gaming experience. caaaaan't waaaaaaiiiiiiiiit

[Shadow]

Its not a bad game mind it's just there's a lot of stuff they mishandled.

[Kalyx triaD]

No, a lot of the complaints are extremely valid. There's a reason Bungie is busting their ass basically rebooting the game over time.

[alvarado52]

No, a lot of the complaints are extremely valid. There's a reason Bungie is busting their ass basically rebooting the game over time.

What bothers me is that its almost an exact repeat of D1 in terms of "learning from mistakes". Wasnt that one of the points of moving from D1 to D2?

[Kalyx triaD]

Destiny 1 Year 3 not being basis for vanilla D2 can only be explained (imo) by the all good things added in D1 being from the live team (or B Team) while the main team took their tone deaf ideas into D2 - which had to be rebooted mid-production just like D1.

It's likely the live team and Vicarious Visions will have to save the game somemore. VV had creative and mechanical input in the Warmind dlc. But the main team is likely covering the big Sept dlc. I have little hope they learned anything.

[ClockShot]

So, is Warmind worth jumping back into?

Or should I just spend this free time catching up on my backlog?

[Kalyx triaD]

I would advise waiting until the Sept expansion. Warmind has some cute lil tricks to inflate the grind you may or may not be cool with.

[ClockShot]

I would advise waiting until the Sept expansion. Warmind has some cute lil tricks to inflate the grind you may or may not be cool with.

Nice.

Hoping they plan on catering to the solo players when that comes around.

Doubt it, but hoping.

[Kalyx triaD]

https://kalyxtriad.wordpress.com/2018/06/03/destiny-2-roadmap-to-year-2-part-1/

I usually copy-paste a blog post here in the past but it's not quite as easy on a phone.

Talking a shit about the roadmap going forward.

[Kalyx triaD]

Sept update is called "Forsaken", definitely involving the Awoken Queen.

[ClockShot]

$40 just for the basic expansion of Forsaken and up to $80 if you want all the bells and whistles.

Yeah, no thanks.

[Fignuts]

Some cool stuff I guess. Can't hide my disappoint in armor sets. Collecting them just to have them is something you can do already. Plenty of resources out there to help you track what you have and what you don't.

All they had to do was literally what every loot grind game does. Get 2 pieces of an armor set, you get an additional legendary level perk. Get the whole set, you get an exotic level perk. That's it. You don't even need that on all the games sets. Just the unique ones you get from tokens, raids, and EP. That would be enough to add a ton of incentive to go get these sets and would make player customization even deeper.

But no. Bungie has to bungie.

[alvarado52]

I'll likely get back on the grind after the next expansion like Kalyx said. Heard good things about it. Not gonna put in the effort now since I know Bungie will essentially void it with some change to the grind in the next update.

[Kalyx triaD]

I'm Hype for Forsaken but honestly it's bizarre how they have no intention changing the Shader system.

[My Final Heaven]

$40 just for the basic expansion of Forsaken and up to $80 if you want all the bells and whistles.

Yeah, no thanks.

"Bells and Whistles" are the following 3 expansions.

[ClockShot]

"Bells and Whistles" are the following 3 expansions.

AND the extra digital goodies such as shaders, ships, gun ornaments, etc.

[Fignuts]

40 seems fair if the content equals that of Taken King.

[Fignuts]

After rewatching bungles stream it looks like the new armor perk system could potentially have a similar effect as typical RPG armor sets. Potentially. If each piece of armor in a set had perks that complimented each other, it would incite players to go out and collect them.

Another thing they need to do is set up ranks and ornament sets for all the planetary factions. Use planetary activities like adventures, patrols, and lost sectors as objectives for unlocking the ornament pieces.

Destiny 2's biggest problem from the start is that its a loot grind game where grinding half the activities in the game is worthless. They have an opportunity here to make everything in the game viable and worth the players time.

On another note, I'm not going to get my hopes up for the upcoming in game lore, but ideally I'd want to see the entire grimoire of D1 in the game as well as a new grimoire for D2. I'm a lore fiend and one of the biggest things I missed in D2 was the grimoire. Being able to read about all the major enemies I faced as well as all the cool little side stories....even back stories on crucible maps was cool.

But again, those are just my hopes. I'm not actually expecting them to go that far.

[Shadow]

Here's hoping they're not gonna punish single players anymore.

[Kalyx triaD]

Destiny is a social game.

[alvarado52]

Eeeehhh...they still need to implement something to allow solo players to keep up. That is why I put down D1 after awhile. They cant expect you to run with your squad every single time. Not everyone works the same schedules, or are even in the same time zone.

Once you start falling behind thats it.

[ClockShot]

It needs a solo player route.

That invisible wall gotta come down.

[Fignuts]

Matchmaking for the raid, nightfall, and escalation protocol is literally all you need to do to appeal to the casual crowd. Keep trials and prestige raids group up only as your elite hardcore modes.

[Fignuts]

No idea why nightfall still doesn't have matchmaking. At this point its easier than heroics.

[ClockShot]

I'd shake up Trials a touch by adding another mode. Keep your 3-on-3 for your hardcore/co-op.

Do a battle royale/free-for-all mode (since it's all the rage these days) with like 6-8 players, no respawn, best of 10 rounds on a small/medium size map. Top half of players get a pass on the card, bottom half a strike. Another route for single player.

[Kalyx triaD]

Battle Royale would be a disaster in Destiny. Unless you build your subclass abilities up and loot gear in the match.

[Shadow]

Matchmaking for the raid, nightfall, and escalation protocol is literally all you need to do to appeal to the casual crowd. Keep trials and prestige raids group up only as your elite hardcore modes.

This. Just do some matchmaking for the three activities that people want to do but can't get a group up in time. That's all I'm asking.

[Fignuts]

I'll likely get back on the grind after the next expansion like Kalyx said. Heard good things about it. Not gonna put in the effort now since I know Bungie will essentially void it with some change to the grind in the next update.

FYI, just like Taken King , you need the previous DLC to play Forsaken.

[alvarado52]

FYI, just like Taken King , you need the previous DLC to play Forsaken.

yyyyeah, like I said in the E3 thread: Fallout 76 put the nail in the coffin of a potential D2 resurrection for me.

[Fignuts]

Eh. Its two months after Forsaken. I can get plenty of grinding in between then and fallout.

[Kalyx triaD]

The new level cap is 60 with a Light cap of 600. If they retain how progress is handled you will not have time lol. I think that's the largest cap increase they ever did.

[Shadow]

Wow. That's...wow. That's a huge blow to the solo players.

[Fignuts]

That depends on where the soft cap is for light level. Plenty easy to level up solo before that.

[Fignuts]

Forsaken will have 4 new strikes. 1 being a PS exclusive. Better at least release the current exclusive strike on Xbox before forsaken drops.

Let PS owners have an exclusive sparrow or something. Locking away content like strikes needs to fucking stop.

[Kalyx triaD]

Usually the exclusives from the year before are unlocked for xbox. I don't know why they still do this given the issues they have fixing things. Nothing special about the exclusive stuff anyway.

[Shadow]

Wow another Strike locked to Playstation owners. Just...fucking hell.

[ClockShot]

So Cayde-6 is getting killed off. That's why Bungie wants you to buy Forsaken so you can take revenge.

Eh. Maybe Nate Fillion just had enough of Destiny like a lot of players.

[Kalyx triaD]

Bungie wants you to buy it to makes money. Also they pretty open about Cayde at E3. It's literally in the trailer. They're so open I'm thinking some swerve is going on.

[Fignuts]

The forsaken are undead. Your guardian will use whatever method of resurrection they have to revive cayde.

They're not killing off their only marketable NPC. Who's gonna be the face of Destiny? Zavala? Yeah, that guys a lot of fun at parties.

[Kalyx triaD]

Beneath the ruins of the Cosmodrome...

[Fignuts]

https://www.gamesradar.com/destiny-2-forsaken-12-game-changing-details-bungie-told-us-about-at-e3-and-what-they-mean-for-the-future/

3-5 give me a little hope that bungie is finally getting that loot grind games require meaningful content and rewards to stay relevant. We'll see.

[Kalyx triaD]

"Yes you can equip three shotguns."

"Well how does ammo work?"

"We don't know yet."

I've said on the Destiny forums that this is going to be a disaster and they're not making any sense of it. There was a good reason for D2's slot system and this is gonna be a case of careful what you wish for.

[ClockShot]

I'll believe #5 when I see it.

A "solo alternative". They're finally figuring this out?

[Fignuts]

I guess I could see causes death being permanent if they are serious about changing the tone. A more serious approach is definitely a better fit for the setting and lore.

[Kalyx triaD]

They can continue by killing off Failsafe.

[Fignuts]

Oh god yes. Fucking Glados wannabe.

[Shadow]

YOU DO NOT GET TO SAY SHIT ABOUT MY AI WAIFU!

[Fignuts]

She's fucking cringe worthy.

[Kalyx triaD]

Easily the worst D2 character. I can't stand every attempt at her 'comedy'.

[Fignuts]

"You're gonna have to maaaaake theeeeem."

*Turn off console

[Fignuts]

In other news I joined a group on The100 and chatted with them a bit on their discord. So it looks like I might finally get in on the raiding business. Bunch of chill, cool dudes around 35-65 years old. So I don't have to worry about getting ordered around by an obnoxious 15 year old.

[Fignuts]

Damn. Got into a raid group, but most of the squad were first timers, myself included, so it took a while to get to the boss. After a few tries on Calus, someone had to leave, and we couldn't get anyone else.

Still, I got a whole bunch of powerful gear, and now I know the mechanics of the raid.

Having now personally gone through it, I definitely understand bungies reluctance to add matchmaking. You can get away with one person not being micced up. Maybe 2 if the rest of the squad are experienced raiders. Any more than that, I just don't see how it would be possible.

Given how little people communicate in this game it would likely end in disaster.

[Kalyx triaD]

I just need the damn shaders.

[Fignuts]

You would need the prestige raid shaders. Normal one is mostly white and gold with some purple trim here and there.

Armor itself is cool looking and offers raid specific perks for future runs. Couple weapons I've gotten feel really good.

Really enjoying the lore behind everything has well. Cabal have always been the most boring enemy faction to me. Calus and his philosophies offer a completely different and unique take on the species and make them far more interesting.

[My Final Heaven]

The new weapon system drops tomorrow -

● The return of random rolls
● No more Elemental mods
● Reshuffling of how the slots works, Fusion rifles + Snipers return to the elemental slot

Tl: Dr they're making everything like Destiny 1 again. I give it a week before everybody's all "the new system suuuuuucks, why wont they let us customize anything anymore??? :'(" :shifty:

[My Final Heaven]

And speaking of a week, next week = Forsaken.

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[Kalyx triaD]

We can apply shaders to swords and that's the big win here.

[My Final Heaven]

I want to find out what Petra Venj & Variks have been up to.

[Kalyx triaD]

The whole Awoken side of the lore, the queen and the Reef and such, are my fave elements of Destiny. Love their aesthetic. If I knew I'd like them so much I'd have made my guardian an Awoken.

[My Final Heaven]

After spending some time with the game today, I can say the new tweaks are a definite improvement. Just the option of fusion rifle in the Elemental spot's taken lost sector bosses that used to feel like a chore, and made them something you can take out in 4-5 shots. :y: If they were going for "make the game feel like the 1st Destiny again", they nailed it.

[My Final Heaven]

Also, I got this today -

https://preview.ibb.co/k9o4YU/Destiny_2_20180830191832.jpg (https://ibb.co/hfT4YU)

A shader with a placeholder icon, that goes back into your inventory when you dismantle its weapon? As in, a non-microtransaction shader? What kind of of witchcraft is this?

And- The Spider is the storyline weapons dealer in Forsaken. Items are dropping early, looks like.

[Fryza]

I'm really unenthusiastic for the story, but I'm looking forward to enjoying this game again. Hopefully they can do it well after the last two expansions.

[Kimberli]

1 Raid at launch (WTF?) and matchmaking for it. Wait, not matchmaking, just LFG here (https://bestfishtankfilter.com/)
. Wait, no-ones actually sure.