OFFICIAL WWE Backlash Thread - Can Jinder become unhindered?

[Destor]

Even if its just hot potato

[Destor]

I liked it when he joined the Wyatt Family..... it was like "I'm not going to wear a jumpsuit, but this black hoodie represents that I am into the darkness now"

Honestly thats hilariously stupid

[Theo Dious]

Well it's official, a former member of 3MB is main eventing a PPV.

[Droford]

Jinder wins to lose it to Rusev

book it

[Blonde Moment]

Could Rusev return as face?

[Savio]

Never thought I'd hear a "Let's go Jinder" chant.

[Lock Jaw]

Wow at loud Let's Go Jinder chants...... thought Chicago was just gonna poop all over this and him......

[Droford]

Could Rusev return as face?

If they want to remember the Rusev Jinder tag team then feud from last year on RAW

[owenbrown]

uh oh

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[Droford]

Wow at loud Let's Go Jinder chants...... thought Chicago was just gonna poop all over this and him......

its dumb because it ruins the "You hate me cause Im a foreigner" gimmick

[Blonde Moment]

Those Gimmicks are old

[KIRA]

Wow at loud Let's Go Jinder chants...... thought Chicago was just gonna poop all over this and him......

Crazy how people have gotten behind the guy, then again how can you not?LOOK AT HIM!

[Droford]

Singh Bros being in matching colors with Jinder's tights is pretty cool.

need to be a darker green

[slik]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">In a single match Jinder has surpassed the split crowd reaction that many stars have taken years to build (Cena, Roman, etc.) <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/WWEBacklash?src=hash">#WWEBacklash</a></p>&mdash; UnderhookDDT (@UnderhookDDT) <a href="https://twitter.com/UnderhookDDT/status/866482345095839744">May 22, 2017</a></blockquote>
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[Destor]

its dumb because it ruins the "You hate me cause Im a foreigner" gimmick

Nah the character is paranoid and delusional. It doesnt have to be true he has to believe it to be true

[Savio]

Jinder embodies the American dream:

Getting an opportunity handed to you and despising everyone who can't help your own personal gain.

[Blonde Moment]

Is this Orton or Jinder?, Destor?

[Droford]

I keep thinking Jamie Noble is out there at ringside

[Destor]

Those LED posts make sweet SXF

[Droford]

Those LED posts make sweet SXF

I miss the good ol metal "CLANG"

[Savio]

Fun Fact:

If Jinder wins he will be the brownest man to ever win the WWE title.

[slik]

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[Lock Jaw]

A big Bollywood dance sequence should come out of nowhere to distract Orton.......

[Droford]

This honestly is feeling more like Jinder coming up to Ortons level instead of Orton sinking to Jinders which to me is a positive...

[slik]

I agree with Droford

[Destor]

Jinder def "belongs"

Good outing not matter the outcome

[Droford]

Orton should have done a dive on them all at once

[Droford]

isnt that a dq? no?

[Savio]

lol at Ortons face.

[Droford]

Orton might have killed them

[slik]

omg that singh brother's head

[Emperor Smeat]

This honestly is feeling more like Jinder coming up to Ortons level instead of Orton sinking to Jinders which to me is a positive...

Yeup. Probably also helps Orton's slower style would be easier to match than someone like a Styles or someone more fast paced and/or brawler.

[Savio]

JINDER UNHINDERED!

[Droford]

lol holy shit

[Frank Drebin]

?!?!?!?!?

[Poit]

Ahahaha, yes!

[Emperor Smeat]

Ouch.

:lol: Randy's reaction to the last toss.

[Lock Jaw]

From Jobber to Champ: A True Underdog Story!

[Droford]

I MAY HAVE JUST WON TIPSTERS?!!?!

[Destor]

Not surprised. Good move.

[Evil Vito]

Holy shitballs

[Poit]

lol at Ortons face.

Orton might have killed them

His face was like "oops, I flipped him too far".

[Stickman]

Awesome

[Dark One]

Should have just replayed Takeover Chicago twice.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

YES JINDER HAHAHAHA

[Droford]

Paging Rusev

[Lock Jaw]

That's it, I'm all in now! Give him a long JBL-like reign where he barely squeaks out victory after victory with the help of his cronies.

[Emperor Smeat]

:eek: Jinder actually won.

[Evil Vito]

http://i.imgur.com/Z4UqVXn.gif

[Poit]

I MAY HAVE JUST WON TIPSTERS?!!?!

Tied for 1st.

[owenbrown]

HOLY MOTHERFUCKING SHIT! :eek:

[Droford]

WHAT DOES THIS MEAN FOR WWE?

dunno

[Droford]

Tied for 1st.


damnit

[Theo Dious]

Already a better champion tban Rey Mysterio.

[owenbrown]

Cue TPWW crashing in 3....2....1....

[slik]

JINDER MANIA HAS BEGUN

Welcome to the era of MAHAL

[Droford]

WE NEED A PUNJABI PRISON rematch

[Emperor Smeat]

Really hope his sideplates are just a replica of his muscles.

[Evil Vito]

"Hey, push new stars"

"Alright fucker, here ya go"

[Emperor Smeat]

http://i.imgur.com/bEHddAE.gif

[Evil Vito]

I bet even Jinder was baffled when they told him he was going over

[Theo Dious]

THAT'S PETE ROSE!!! ...enberg
THAT'S PETE ROSE!!! ...enberg

[slik]

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[Evil Vito]

There's no doubt in my mind right now that Jinder Mahal, out of all world champions in WWE history, has the worst winning percentage. Of all of them.

According to profightdb, Jinder has won 17.5% of his matches in WWE.

[RaginRonic]

This win by Jinder Mahal now makes him the milestone 50th man to become the WWE World Heavyweight Champion in the title's 54 year history.

[Evil Vito]

https://media.giphy.com/media/PxWQba1LFOrtK/giphy.gif

[Savio]

There's no doubt in my mind right now that Jinder Mahal, out of all world champions in WWE history, has the worst winning percentage. Of all of them.

According to profightdb, Jinder has won 17.5% of his matches in WWE.

Hmmm what about Vince?

[Droford]

There's no doubt in my mind right now that Jinder Mahal, out of all world champions in WWE history, has the worst winning percentage. Of all of them.

According to profightdb, Jinder has won 17.5% of his matches in WWE.

coughBray Wyattcough

[Evil Vito]

Hmmm what about Vince?

Vince had significantly fewer matches and was able to pad out his stats with his HBK/God feud, ECW title reign, etc. Plus a few wins during the Austin feud.

[Poit]

:lol: @ Wreddit

http://i.imgur.com/oBXaRwc.png

[Droford]

Definitely getting a Rusev Jinder feud based on their short lived feud on RAW

Maybe Rusev will finally win the gold

[Ruien]

There's no doubt in my mind right now that Jinder Mahal, out of all world champions in WWE history, has the worst winning percentage. Of all of them.

According to profightdb, Jinder has won 17.5% of his matches in WWE.

Swagger?

[Evil Vito]

Swagger?

Got more wins in his ECW run than Jinder had in basically his whole career.

[Evil Vito]

Rosenberg: "Seeing Jinder makes me want to run to the gym every time I see him."
Dillinger: "That's why I'm wearing a shirt on the show."
Renee Young: "Me too!"

Causing Renee Young to wear a shirt. Jinder Mahal: top heel in the company confirmed.

[Frank Drebin]

Give the dude credit, he always had the built in "foreign heel" in him and got the body Vince loves while he was released from WWE and came back and just rolled with it.

He grabbed that brass ring, Byron.

[DrA]

Does JBL shout MAHARAJAH over and over again all the time now?

[KIRA]

I'm sorry I was busy running around my house in joy!

[Frank Drebin]

Now can they keep this Jinder momentum going? Thats the real question. You can push anyone to the moon but can you make money off it? He needs a loooooong reign if you did this for any reason other than shock value. No Kevin Nash run ins, ya know what I'm sayin'?

[Lock Jaw]

Kevin Owens "owning" this Peter Rosenberg guy........

[KIRA]

When Jinder gets his iron ab plates I might actually cry

[Emperor Smeat]

Now can they keep this Jinder momentum going? Thats the real question. You can push anyone to the moon but can you make money off it? He needs a loooooong reign if you did this for any reason other than shock value. No Kevin Nash run ins, ya know what I'm sayin'?

If they give Jinder a few more guys for a stable, he might be able to pull off a JBL-like reign for Smackdown.

[Ruien]

Now can they keep this Jinder momentum going? Thats the real question. You can push anyone to the moon but can you make money off it? He needs a loooooong reign if you did this for any reason other than shock value. No Kevin Nash run ins, ya know what I'm sayin'?

If they give Jinder a few more guys for a stable, he might be able to pull off a JBL-like reign for Smackdown.


Fuck that. Transition champ to Rusev who will be a gold mine. Hopefully he kills Enzo again at the next ppv with both brands.

[Destor]

Now can they keep this Jinder momentum going? Thats the real question. You can push anyone to the moon but can you make money off it? He needs a loooooong reign if you did this for any reason other than shock value. No Kevin Nash run ins, ya know what I'm sayin'?

Gorwing market of 5 billion potential consumers. I dont know why we're asking "what now" for Jinder but not Orton. Is it because he's brown?

[Ruien]

Gorwing market of 5 billion potential consumers. I dont know why we're asking "what now" for Jinder but not Orton. Is it because he's brown?

Because Orton has been a star for like 10 years.

[Emperor Smeat]

Nice of Owens to close tonight's Talking Smack show.

[Destor]

Because Orton has been a star for like 10 years.

Ortons been around sure. That's about it. Jinder has a clear path to a growing market. Orton apexed 10 years ago.

[Ruien]

And? You asked why people did not ask what is next. We know he will be fine and in a new storyline soon. Jinder is fresh and new so no one knows what's happening next.

[Destor]

And? You asked why people did not ask what is next. We know he will be fine and in a new storyline soon. Jinder is fresh and new so no one knows what's happening next.

Now can they keep this Jinder momentum going? Thats the real question. You can push anyone to the moon but can you make money off it? He needs a loooooong reign if you did this for any reason other than shock value. No Kevin Nash run ins, ya know what I'm sayin'?

No Drebin clearly made the point that this wasnt inherently profitable when there is an obvious clear path to profit. More so than with it Orton.

[Destor]

So the question is: why are we actually asking the question?

[Triple A]

Just got home... was the ppv good... should I watch / skim through it or not rlly worth watching

Sweet @ Jinder... nice

[owenbrown]

now hypothetically IF Heath Slater becomes Universal Champion (unlikely) and Drew McIntyre becomes NXT champion (plausible) I think Hell will really freeze over

[Ruien]

I already answered that. Jinder is fresh. He is wayyyy over where he should be from a fan stand point. No one knows how this will play out.

[Ruien]

So the question is: why are we actually asking the question?

I already answered that. Jinder is fresh. He is wayyyy over where he should be from a fan stand point. No one knows how this will play out.

[Tom Guycott]

uh oh

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I think this pic of The Empress of Tomorrow has the potential to become the new version of "Otunga'd" photos.

[Ruien]

Lol Destor, net repping me because you don't understand Jinder is new to the main event scene? So Frank and many others don't know how they will keep his reign going.

[Tom Guycott]

now hypothetically IF Heath Slater becomes Universal Champion (unlikely) and Drew McIntyre becomes NXT champion (plausible) I think Hell will really freeze over

I can see this happening, and it being a complete accident on the part of WWE not realizing what they would have done here.

[Frank Drebin]

So the question is: why are we actually asking the question?

Maybe I'm not reading your posts correctly or understanding whether you're agreeing with me or not. What are you saying here? That they have a plan for Jinder because they are trying to tap into the Indian market? I'm not trying to be contrarian, I honestly don't understand.

[Shadrick]

My face hurts from smiling so hard and saying "holy shit" while running around my apartment.


MAHARAJAAAAAAAAAAH!!!!!

[slik]

Watching replay now to see Shinsuke vs Dolph

[Triple A]

Just got home... was the ppv good... should I watch / skim through it or not rlly worth watching

any1

[Triple A]

I guess I'll skim through it... want to watch the jinder match anyway

[Shadrick]

any1

Yeah just skim. Harper Vs Rowan is skippable. Skim AJ/Owens. Zayn Vs Corbin was decent. Skip the Welcoming Committee stuff. Watch Dolph Vs Shinsuke

[Destor]

Maybe I'm not reading your posts correctly or understanding whether you're agreeing with me or not. What are you saying here? That they have a plan for Jinder because they are trying to tap into the Indian market? I'm not trying to be contrarian, I honestly don't understand.

No it's exactly that. The wrestling market in India is growing rapidly. Jinder is doing what is essentially a Hulk Hogan gimmick there and foriegner gimmick here. Its pretty brilliant. Past few years theyve done more dates in that side of globe and theyre def interested in doing more. Even if this is just a hot shot run it establishes Jinder as a key player and should grow the brand in those markets even if you push Jinder down a bit in a month or two. And if the run goes well domestically you can keep him at the top. That is more dependant on how hot the babies your throw at him are though...

[slik]

any1

I missed the opening match so I am watching it now but overall I enjoyed it, especially Breezango and Jinder Mahal

[slik]

^^^ I might add Shinsuke vs Dolph to that after this match...

[Destor]

I guess I'll skim through it... want to watch the jinder match anyway
Solid card. Thought only Rowan v harper was bad. 6 woman tag is skippable.

[Frank Drebin]

I guess I'll skim through it... want to watch the jinder match anyway

That's the way to go for this show I think

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Why was Tye on the pre-show in favor of Luke and Rowan? Why can't I find the preshow on WWE Network?

[Emperor Smeat]

any1

Styles-Owens and Breezango-Usos were pretty great tonight.

Nakaumra-Ziggy was good overall as well.

Rest were mostly average or skippable but nothing really terrible.

[Frank Drebin]

No it's exactly that. The wrestling market in India is growing rapidly. Jinder is doing what is essentially a Hulk Hogan gimmick there and foriegner gimmick here. Its pretty brilliant. Past few years theyve done more dates in that side of globe and theyre def interested in doing more. Even if this is just a hot shot run it establishes Jinder as a key player and should grow the brand in those markets even if you push Jinder down a bit in a month or two. And if the run goes well domestically you can keep him at the top. That is more dependant on how hot the babies your throw at him are though...

I get the whole market share argument and pushing someone of the market you want to get a foothold in. Wasn't that the whole point of Khali though? If it worked so well he'd still be doing something with WWE. Need a legit worker and if they give Jinder the torch to run with, that's fine, but if you just did it to shock people and have him lose it on SDL or the next ppv then there really wasn't much of a point to it.

[Destor]

If it were up to me ideally yoid pull Jinder from the current tour immediately and send him on a press tour in India. Play the interviews. Play him being a champion to his people. Have him do promos on one being a chapion of his people in the face of American racism. It gets heat from one market and sympathy from another.

Use his lackies to draw him back in and build up the rematch with Orton from there.

[Destor]

I get the whole market share argument and pushing someone of the market you want to get a foothold in. Wasn't that the whole point of Khali though? If it worked so well he'd still be doing something with WWE. Need a legit worker and if they give Jinder the torch to run with, that's fine, but if you just did it to shock people and have him lose it on SDL or the next ppv then there really wasn't much of a point to it.

Khali played a role in the growing of the India market. But he was limited. Too limited to do much outside of one match/angle and then he was spent. But yeah khali does deserve credit. He helped things along.

Him going under in the near future doesnt matter much imo. Long run...short run...its whatever. Hes established now. Thats what matters. Tonight he was made a star.

[Frank Drebin]

Maybe....he needs to have more than one night. It's pretty easy to fall back to jobber status after a world title win. Ask guys like Jack Swagger.

What you said about the press tour is true though. Maybe not stay in character but I like the press tour idea. I don't think wwe has the foresight to do something like that though. They always fail at that kinda stuff it seems.

[Destor]

Jack Swagger was never not a jobber. Title run included. No kne bought in. It was so painfully forced, no one was behind it.

[Destor]

Maybe....he needs to have more than one night. It's pretty easy to fall back to jobber status after a world title win. Ask guys like Jack Swagger.

What you said about the press tour is true though. Maybe not stay in character but I like the press tour idea. I don't think wwe has the foresight to do something like that though. They always fail at that kinda stuff it seems.

Def doesnt stay in character during the interviews. He neds to shoot promos to send back that are in character. Totally would need to ham it up as straight humble white meat baby. I didnt make that clear admittedly.

[slik]

^^^ I might add Shinsuke vs Dolph to that after this match...

was pretty good, solid debut for Shinsuke

[Frank Drebin]

The same could happen here. The man makes the title, not the other way around. If the whole idea is to crack the Indian market, they aren't gonna do it with a guy who was champ for a month and is spinning his wheels in the mid card. He needs to be a champ and stay credible for a bit.

[Destor]

The same could happen here. The man makes the title, not the other way around. If the whole idea is to crack the Indian market, they aren't gonna do it with a guy who was champ for a month and is spinning his wheels in the mid card. He needs to be a champ and stay credible for a bit.

Nah. Guys make belts. Belts make guys. It can go either way. I he drops the belt off in the next quarter but follows it up with beating credible guys its just as good tho.

[Frank Drebin]

I dig that. All I'm saying is that he needs to be taken seriously now for him to be your spearhead into that market. No more 3MB comedy bits. He's a contender now.

[Destor]

Absolutely

[Droford]

He's going to lose the belt in 2 months to whoever wins MITB the same night. He'll beat Orton in the rematch and then get cashed in on by whoever. Sami Zayn or Rusev probably.

[slik]

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[Triple A]

Damn... Jinder Mahal's body in August 2016 (sry if someone already posted, haven't looked through the thread yet)

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/nfdcoKJlSdM/maxresdefault.jpg

[Droford]

Jinder had the I come in peace gimmick back at the RAW I went to in September..

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Jinder had the I come in peace gimmick back at the RAW I went to in September..

Are you going to Something to Wrestle With Bruce Prichard at Jimmy's Seafood before the PPV?

[Lock Jaw]

I wish Noid was still here to do a Noid post about Jinder Mahal.............

[Triple A]

I'm up to the women's match now

Freaking hate when Natalya does that long sustained "yell"... hurts my ears

[Destor]

I wish Noid was still here to do a Noid post about Jinder Mahal.............wish noid was here in general...

I'm up to the women's match now

Freaking hate when Natalya does that long sustained "yell"... hurts my ears
How about Becky's hair

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

I'm up to the women's match now

Freaking hate when Natalya does that long sustained "yell"... hurts my ears

"Youuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu?" Fucking terrible.

[KIRA]

Losing his voice but its all good

Hail the Maharaja!


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[Triple A]

wish noid was here in general...


How about Becky's hair

Someone bring Noid back. :-(

I have "no thoughts" on Becky Lynch's hair.

"Youuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu?" Fucking terrible.

Ya... I think it sounds like she is saying "yeahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh hhhhhhh"

[Triple A]

Watching the WWE title match now... Jinder Mahal freaking great... very intense and has a "great look" imo... really like him and am glad he is the champ instead of boring ass Randy Orton!

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

When she was a face she would point at a random person in the arena and say yoouuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu!

[slik]

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[Lock Jaw]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DAaDQozUMAI2kxN.jpg

:y:

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Whoever approved that should be fiiiiiiiiiiiirrrrrrrrrrrred.

[Fignuts]

Whatever, she looks like a mad max villain. It's rad.

[Emperor Smeat]

WWE Indian commentators on Jinder's win: https://streamable.com/72790

[#1-norm-fan]

Well this is just what happens when you split the "world title" in two. WWE says "Let's just try this out".

If Mahal ends up being a legendary heel then it's genius and anyone who wins the world title in the future looks better. But considering all the other times they randomly put the world title on a jobber because there's two of them so they can fuck around and risk destroying the credibility of one... I don't have much hope.

[DAMN iNATOR]

Whoever approved that should be fiiiiiiiiiiiirrrrrrrrrrrred.

I think you mean Straight Fired.

[ClockShot]

Son of a bitch. Jinder won.

And I had this weird feeling when I was filling out my Tipsters sheet yesterday that something was off.

[Sepholio]

WE MISS YOU NOID

[Sting Fan]

Where is Noid btw?

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

wish noid was here in general...




Noid took his ball and went home

[Ruien]

Where is Noid btw?

Noid became enraged the TPWW Universe fell in love with Bliss and left the realm.

[Big Vic]

He also got mad when he found out people liked the Usos

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

I could deal with Noid's terrible fantasy booking posts that I would never read when he was a fun loving babyface. However when je turned heel and thought he actually understood wrestling, i could no longer abide by such bollocks.

[#1-norm-fan]

Noid was good people. Will never forgive you people for chasing him away. Never.

[Evil Vito]

Noid seemingly got mad that people were enjoying the product.

Even before he had his Frank Grimes moment he had expressed possibly going elsewhere to discuss wrestling because he just didn't understand how anybody could enjoy what WWE was putting out.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

He was a nice guy. But he was a strong mid carder at best with main event aspirations.

[Big Vic]

Noid started losing it on post 387 on this page.

http://www.tpwwforums.com/showthread.php?t=132956&page=10

Lock Jaw sent him over the edge, this is all Lock Jaws' fault.

[Black Widow]

Where is that Motherfucker Cena when you need him?

[Big Vic]

How do you feel about Jinder being the darkest WWE champ of all time Black Widow?

[Stickman]

Another Canadian world champ.

[Lock Jaw]

Cool..... didn't know that Jinder Mahal was from Calgary, Alberta, Canada.......

[rez]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DAaDQozUMAI2kxN.jpg

:y:

It's missing Sheamus' glued on facial hair.

[XL]

What a time to be alive.

Feels very much like JBL's title win. Hoping they go "all in" like they did that time. Then Cena dethrones him like that time.

[Fignuts]

I'll take Jinder over face orton tbh.

[Cool King]

I've been saying for so long now how good Jinder is and last night was just glorious.

I can't remember the last time I was as ecstatic as I was over a title change.

[Cool King]

Next stop: Curt Hawkins as Universal Champion.

[Maluco]

I feel like I have never seen a good Jinder Mahal match, and now he is WWE champion. Definitely the worst and most underdeveloped "star" to ever win it.

It is phenomenal how hard he has worked to get the body he has, but it is way too much, too soon. I don't understand why he wasn't given any momentum before this and a chance to rise up the card and actually have good matches.

Then I look at how meekly Nakamura has been brought in, where he is just another boring guy already. So weird.

[Maluco]

And yeah, I get the whole India thing etc... Still doesn't make it entertaining.

[Destor]

And yeah, I get the whole India thing etc... Still doesn't make it entertaining.

For you

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Honestly, Randy Orton brings about 0 passion to his work. I'd rather Jinder was champ because at least he cares. He's not great by any means, but I have a feeling this will only serve to make him better.

[Maluco]

For you

I would argue for a lot of people, given the far more rapid decline in TV numbers than other shows. RAW, for example, is a boring show, where very little unpredictable things happen.

Seeing Lesnar/Goldberg at Mania made me sad. Two genuine stars clashing for 6 minutes, one was 50...but they were stars and it was great.

I am not excited about seeing Jinder Mahal clash with anyone. It is a step down an already disappointing rung of the ladder.

[#1-norm-fan]

The champion of Raw is Brock Lesnar.

The champion of Smackdown is Jinder Mahal.

Anyone who calls Smackdown "the A show" from here on out is just demonstrably wrong.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

The champion of Raw is Brock Lesnar.

The champion of Smackdown is Jinder Mahal.

Anyone who calls Smackdown "the A show" from here on out is just demonstrably wrong.

lol the US Champion is Kevin Owens and the world champion is Jinder Mahal. Think about that. And the US champ could end up being AJ Styles.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

If they wanted an India expansion, I wish they just signed Sonjay Dutt instead.

The champion of Raw is Brock Lesnar.

The champion of Smackdown is Jinder Mahal.

Anyone who calls Smackdown "the A show" from here on out is just demonstrably wrong.

It's not been the A show since Mania. They've both been 'F see me after class'.

[Destor]

I would argue for a lot of people, given the far more rapid decline in TV numbers than other shows. RAW, for example, is a boring show, where very little unpredictable things happen.

Seeing Lesnar/Goldberg at Mania made me sad. Two genuine stars clashing for 6 minutes, one was 50...but they were stars and it was great.

I am not excited about seeing Jinder Mahal clash with anyone. It is a step down an already disappointing rung of the ladder.

Using failing American ratings as an argument that focusing on other markets is bad.

[Evil Vito]

The champion of Raw is Brock Lesnar.

The champion of Smackdown is Jinder Mahal.

Anyone who calls Smackdown "the A show" from here on out is just demonstrably wrong.

People called it "The A Show" because it was far more entertaining than what Raw was putting out. And it still will be.

[Ultra Mantis]

I feel like I have never seen a good Jinder Mahal match, and now he is WWE champion. Definitely the worst and most underdeveloped "star" to ever win it.

It is phenomenal how hard he has worked to get the body he has, but it is way too much, too soon. I don't understand why he wasn't given any momentum before this and a chance to rise up the card and actually have good matches.

Then I look at how meekly Nakamura has been brought in, where he is just another boring guy already. So weird.

100% agree, Mahal is just a shit wrestler.

[Maluco]

Using failing American ratings as an argument that focusing on other markets is bad.

Didn't say once focussing on other markets is bad. I think it's a great idea for the company and for the business, but once again, the hardcore fans who stick with the product and love wrestling get the short end of the stick.

The fact is, the network is the worst thing that could happen to the product, not the business.

Now they can throw Jinder in a world title programme with no momentum or build and just say "nine, ninety nineeeeee maggggleeeeeee" and it is ok. They don't have to push PPV anymore so they can shovel out any crap with no effort. "It's only 9.99 and that's worth it for the content that is already on there alone!"

Lazy writing and routine booking will remain forever, because the more hardcore fans they pick up around the world, the more stable they become as a business and the less they have to try. That's the truth of it, and also the reason I don't have the network anymore personally.

The network is the final nail in the coffin of stars in wrestling...and that sucks.

[Destor]

Every angle on the show doesnt need to be for the same audience. It's never been that way. Wrestling has always been best served as a variety show. Jinder is no different. Post Nitro wrestling fans have such a sense of entitlement that the business has really suffered.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

But with so many options now, does it even work if you're trying to serve multiple audiences? I mean, I don't mind not watching the actual shows anymore like I am now and just checking out a highlight when someone recommends it, but that's not going to help advertisers.

If they get to a segment that's not for them, they're likely just going to do something else and not come back to it. I'm not even saying to make the show for wrestling fans, I'm just saying that a jack of all trades and master of none approach isn't going to cut it.

[Destor]

But with so many options now, does it even work if you're trying to serve multiple audiences? I mean, I don't mind not watching the actual shows anymore like I am now and just checking out a highlight when someone recommends it, but that's not going to help advertisers.

If they get to a segment that's not for them, they're likely just going to do something else and not come back to it. I'm not even saying to make the show for wrestling fans, I'm just saying that a jack of all trades and master of none approach isn't going to cut it.
Disagree. Works better now than ever. Just fast forward to the part that is for you.


When the revenue drops you'll have an argument. Until them faulting them for trying new things for new audiences is just silly.

[Evil Vito]

I'm happy they're trying to cater to different markets. Jinder looks like a million bucks and is serviceable enough in the ring. The only real fault to him is that he has years of jobber stink on him.

Feel like a better option to cater to the Indian market would've been to just bring in Akam from the Authors of Pain. Legitimate wrestling background, constantly improving, fucking massive/believably could just come in and kill Orton, and he'd have Paul Ellering with him.

[Evil Vito]

It can't be overstated how excellent The Fashion Police are.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DABM5X5UQAA_Jv7.jpg

This gif of their "freeze-frame" high five really demonstrates their commitment to the gimmick.

[Simple Fan]

Jinder and the Bollywood Boys are better than Akam if you are going for that market in my opinion. Only knock I have on Jinder is him not winning the ATGMBR at Wrestlemania and the stuff they did afterwards with Gronk. If not for that Jinder would have had alot more momentum goi g into becoming #1 contender and wouldn't be as much of shock.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Whatever, she looks like a mad max villain. It's rad.

She's a face.

[Destor]

She's a face.
...so?

[mike adamle]

She's a face.

You're a drunk.

[Maluco]

Every angle on the show doesnt need to be for the same audience. It's never been that way. Wrestling has always been best served as a variety show. Jinder is no different. Post Nitro wrestling fans have such a sense of entitlement that the business has really suffered.

Think we are discussing two different things, albeit somewhat related. You are arguing about Mahal being a story to relate to a different group of people. I am talking about the abject laziness in the way he has been put there.

They didn't even try, just said, look guys, he is number one contender...now look, he is champion now...in two steps. He was getting embarrassed on TV three months ago. Not just losing a lot, but being the butt of jokes.

Its not about what appeals and what doesn't. It is smart to build in stuff that appeals to different markets. It is about how it is done. It is about the company's complete inability to build stars or even develop wrestlers personas and make you care about their feuds and interactions.

Case in point, just look at Dolph Ziggler. A talented performer, but what even is he anymore? He is a mess that is worth nothing. Not even talking about as a draw, just not intriguing or interesting in any way anymore. There is an inherent laziness on how WWE writes TV in an era where they are a monopoly.

Pushing Jinder is fine, but just cause I don't have to pay for it, don't give me him in the main event winning the title, mere weeks removed from being a jobber. Make me care first, make me want to see him wrestle. Make me care about Jinder or whoever is beating him.

You dont just go from zero to hero in a month and just go "He is great now btw". It is lazy, stupid and a symptom of the network era, in my opinion, of course.

[Destor]

I come from an age where a guy could be an undercard act in one town and then go and with in weeks be a top act somewhere else. Its not alien to me at all. And Jinder, despite the short turn around, was red hot going into that match. You can call it lazy, but it was effective.

[Fignuts]

The champion of Raw is Brock Lesnar.

The champion of Smackdown is Jinder Mahal.

Anyone who calls Smackdown "the A show" from here on out is just demonstrably wrong.

Well, I'd love for you to demonstrate how raw was better than smackdown this week.

[Simple Fan]

Agree with Fignuts. While Brock Lesnar is a bad ass legitimate champion, he rarely shows up on Raw and never has a match so he doesn't bring anything to Raw as a show. Determining which show is better is based on the top champion just doesn't work.

[XL]

Does any anyone Jinder being Raw's resident jobber one month and SmackDown's World Champion the next make the whole SDL roster look weak?

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

I come from an age where a guy could be an undercard act in one town and then go and with in weeks be a top act somewhere else. Its not alien to me at all. And Jinder, despite the short turn around, was red hot going into that match. You can call it lazy, but it was effective.

I mean.... they could have done it better I guess, but given where the company is at, who cares? If they made an indy darling champ, it's not like that would work out the way people wanted it to. May as well try someone completely out of nowhere.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

and tbh I've been a fan of how they've done it.

[XL]

Ziggler needs to go somewhere else for a couple of years. He's done everything in WWE that there is to do short of going on last at Mania, he's been pretty much at the same upper midcard level for a number of years, turned face, turned heel, had a group, IC/US/World title reigns, MITB win/cash-in, what is there left for him to do? The audience has moved on from him.