Better Wrestler #67 [Archive]

Destor

07-13-2017, 03:09 PM

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<select><option selected="selected">Better Wrestler History</option> <option>#1. Trish Stratus vs Charlotte (27-13)</option> <option>#2. Trish Stratus vs The Miz (20-13)</option> <option>#3. Trish Stratus vs Booker T (19-19)</option> <option>#4. Trish Stratus vs The Big Show (19-9)</option> <option>#5. Trish Stratus vs Ricky "The Dragon" Steamboat (10-25)</option> <option>#6. Ricky "The Dragon" Steamboat vs Bokker T (22-13)</option> <option>#7. Ricky "The Dragon" Steamboat vs Kevin Nash (17-16)</option> <option>#8. Ricky "The Dragon" Steamboat vs John Cena (6-21)</option> <option>#9. John Cena vs Kevin Owens (25-8)</option> <option>#10. John Cena vs Goldberg (28-4)</option> <option>#11. John Cena vs Chris Jericho (4-33)</option> <option>#12. Chris Jericho vs AJ Styles (26-6)</option> <option>#13. Chris Jericho vs Chris Benoit (26-5)</option> <option>#14. Chris Jericho vs Kurt Angle (9-27)</option> <option>#15. Kurt Angle vs "Mr. Perfect" Curt Hennig (31-5)</option> <option>#16. Kurt Angle vs "The American Dream" Dusty Rhodes (17-14)</option> <option>#17. Kurt Angle vs Eddie Guerrero (23-12)</option> <option>#18. Kurt Angle vs "The Heartbreak Kid" Shawn Michaels (21-22)</option> <option>#19. "The Heartbreak Kid" Shawn Michaels vs Christian (31-7)</option> <option>#20. "The Heartbreak Kid" Shawn Michaels vs Mick Foley (27-7)</option><option>#21. "The Heartbreak Kid" Shawn Michaels vs Bret "The Hitman" Hart (20-23)</option><option>#22. Bret "The Hitman" Hart vs Vader (24-15)</option><option>#23. Bret "The Hitman" Hart vs "Rowdy" Roddy Piper (20-18)</option><option>#24. Bret "The Hitman" Hart vs "Macho Man" Randy Savage (12-24)</option><option>#25. "Macho Man" Randy Savage vs Ultimate Warrior (34-4)</option><option>#26. "Macho Man" Randy Savage vs Jake "The Snake" Roberts (29-3)</option><option>#27. "Macho Man" Randy Savage vs Triple H (32-6)</option><option>#28. "Macho Man" Randy Savage vs The Undertaker (24-19)</option><option>#29. Roman Reigns vs Lex Luger (21-20)</option><option>#30. Roman Reigns vs The Great Khali (20-18)</option><option>#31. Roman Reigns vs AJ Lee (14-24)</option><option>#32. AJ Lee vs Emma (32-6)</option><option>#33. AJ Lee vs Lita (11-26)</option><option>#34. Lita vs John Morrison (15-22)</option><option> #35. John Morrison vs Ricochet (26-6)</option><option>#36. John Morrison vs Dean Malenko (8-25)</option><option>#37. Dean Malenko vs Perry Saturn (23-10)</option><option>#38. Dean Malenko vs Taz (19-22)</option><option>#39. Taz vs Shane Douglas (28-3)</option><option>#40. Taz vs Raven (15-19)</option><option>#41. Raven vs Bray Wyatt (20-11)</option><option>#42. Raven vs "Diamond" Dallas Page (7-25)</option><option>#43. "Diamond" Dallas Page vs Scott Hall (14-16)</option><option>#44. Scott Hall vs Sid Vicious (29-4)</option><option>#45. Scott Hall vs "The British Bulldog" Davey Boy Smith (26-8)</option><option>#46. Scott Hall vs "The Million Dollar Man" Ted Dibiase (13-17)</option><option>#47. "The Million Dollar Man" Ted Dibiase vs "Dr. Death" Steve Williams (24-6)</option><option>#48. "The Million Dollar Man" Ted Dibiase vs Sting (12-26)</option><option>#49. Sting vs Matt Hardy (26-8)</option><option>#50. Sting vs Edge (13-24)</option><option>#51. Edge vs Kane (20-13)</option><option>#52. Edge vs Dean Ambrose (22-13)</option><option>#53. Edge vs CM Punk (12-24)</option><option>#54. CM Punk vs Rob Van Damn (18-19) </option><option>#55. Rob Van Dam vs Adrian Neville (26-7)</option><option>#56. Rob Van Dam vs Rey Mysterio (10-22)</option><option>#57. Rey Mysterio vs Scott Steiner (18-12)</option><option>#58. Rey Mysterio vs Jeff Hardy (20-15)</option><option>#59. Rey Mysterio vs Brock Lesnar (6-26)</option><option>#60. Brock Lesnar vs John "Bradshaw" Layfield (28-3)</option><option>#61. Brock Lesnar vs Randy Orton (21-12)</option><option>#62. Brock Lesnar vs John Cena (13-17)</option><option> #63. John Cena vs Vince McMahon (18-12)</option><option>#64. John Cena vs Andre The Giant (11-18)</option><option>#65. Andre The Giant vs The Big Show (21-8)</option><option>#66. Andre The Giant vs Sgt. Slaughter (23-5)</option></select>

<select><option selected="selected">Better Wrestler Hall of Fame</option><option>"Macho Man" Randy Savage</option></select>

<select><option selected="selected">Previous Better Wrestler History</option><option>#1.RVD vs CM Punk (34-19)</option><option>#2.RVD vs Santino Marella (36-4)</option><option>#3.RVD vs "Mr. Perfect" Curt Hennig (15-23)</option><option>#4."Mr. Perfect" Curt Hennig vs Tully Blanchard (30-5)</option><option>#5."Mr. Perfect" Curt Hennig vs Chris Jericho (15-23)</option><option>#6.Chris Jericho vs Brock Lesnar (34-10)</option><option>#7.Chris Jericho vs William Regal (38-14)</option><option>#8.Chris Jericho vs Eddie Guerrero (21-23)</option><option>#9.Eddie Guerrero vs Ricky "The Dragon" Steamboat (26-7)</option><option>#10.Eddie Guerrero vs "Macho Man" Randy Savage (26-19)</option><option>#11.Eddie Guerrero vs Diamond Dallas Page (39-8)</option><option>#12.Eddie Guerrero vs "Stone Cold" Steve Austin(19-28)</option><option>#13."Stone Cold" Steve Austin vs Chris Benoit (32-13)</option><option>#14."Stone Cold" Steve Austin vs Jake "The Snake" Roberts (29-10)</option><option>#15."Stone Cold" Steve Austin vs Sting (36-16)</option><option>#16."Stone Cold" Steve Austin vs Bret "The Hitman" Hart (32-31)</option><option>#17.Hulk Hogan vs John Cena (15-24)</option><option>#18.John Cena vs Lex Luger (32-6)</option><option>#19.John Cena vs Ultimate Warrior (29-18)</option><option>#20.John Cena vs Dean Malenko (9-40)</option><option>#21.Dean Malenko vs Billy Kidman (31-7)</option><option>#22.Dean Malenko vs Ultimo Dragon (22-15)</option><option>#23.Dean Malenko vs Taz (15-17)</option><option>#24.Taz vs Sabu (38-2)</option><option>#25.Taz vs Jeff Hardy (25-16)</option><option>#26.Taz vs Bam Bam Bigelow (26-12)</option><option>#27.Taz vs Triple H (24-22)</option><option>#28.Edge vs Christian Cage (22-23)</option><option>#29.Christian Cage vs Raven (23-22)</option><option>#30.Christian vs Matt Hardy (22-19)</option><option>#31.Christian vs Ted Dibiase (24-25)</option><option>#32.Ted Dibiase vs "Rowdy" Roddy Piper (16-19)</option><option>#33."Rowdy" Roddy Piper vs "The British Bulldog" Davey Boy Smith (25-19)</option><option>#34."Rowdy" Roddy Piper vs Bob Backlund (26-6)</option><option>#35."Rowdy" Roddy Piper vs The Dynamite Kid (26-13)</option><option>#36."Rowdy Roddy Piper vs Ric Flair (16-19)</option><option>#37.Ric Flair vs Bret "The Hitman" Hart (19-17)</option><option>#38.Ric Flair vs Andre "The Giant" (28-5)</option><option>#39.Ric Flair vs Triple H (26-11)</option><option>#40.Ric Flair vs Shawn Michaels (20-26)</option><option>#41.Shawn Michaels vs Jushin "Thunder" Lyger (26-15)</option><option>#42.Shawn Michaels vs Perry Saturn (36-12)</option><option>#43.Shawn Michaels vs The Undertaker (29-11)</option><option>#44.Shawn Michaels vs The Rock (28-30)</option><option>#45.The Rock vs Trish Stratus (21-16)</option><option>#46.The Rock vs Lance Storm (22-19)</option><option>#47.The Rock vs Owen Hart (18-12)</option><option>#48.The Rock vs Kurt Angle (5-24)</option><option>#49.Kurt Angle vs Ken Shamrock (36-5)</option><option>#50.Kurt Angle vs Rob Van Dam (23-13)</option><option>#51.Kurt Angle vs "King Kong" Bruiser Brody (20-10)</option><option>#52.Kurt Angle vs Mick Foley (31-6)</option><option>#53.John Morrison vs Braden Walker (36-11)</option><option>#54.John Morrison vs Kofi Kingston (34-5)</option><option>#55.John Morrison vs CM Punk (14-28)</option><option>#56.CM Punk vs Tajiri (28-20)</option><option>#57.CM Punk vs Booker T (24-23)</option><option>#58.CM Punk vs Samoa Joe (53-4)</option><option>#59.CM Punk vs "Macho Man" Randy Savage (19-36)</option><option>#60."Macho Man" Randy Savage vs "Adorable" Adrian Adonis (47-2)</option><option>#61."Macho Man" Randy Savage vs Goldberg (49-4)</option><option>#62."Macho Man" Randy Savage vs "Mr. Perfect" Curt Hennig (31-38)</option><option>#63."Mr.Perfect" Curt Hennig vs "Diamond" Dallas Page (51-17)</option><option>#64."Mr. Perfect" Curt Hennig vs William Regal (37-18)</option><option>#65."Mr. Perfect" Curt Hennig vs Brock Lesnar (48-4)</option><option>#66."Mr. Perfect" Curt Hennig vs Eddie Guerrero (39-40)</option><option>#67. Eddie Guerrero vs Arn Anderson (33-22)</option><option>#68. Eddie Guerrero vs Jake "The Snake" Roberts (37-36)</option><option>#69. Eddie Guerrero vs Sting (41-16)</option><option>#70. Chris Jericho vs Eddie Guerrero (45-18)</option><option>#71. Chris Jericho vs Rey Mysterio (63-3)</option><option>#72. Chris Jericho vs Kevin Nash (54-12)</option><option>#73. Chris Jericho vs Dean Malenko (39-9)</option><option>#74. Chris Jericho vs Ricky Steamboat (41-30)</option><option>#75. Masato Tanaka vs Mike Awesome (24-18)</option><option>#76. Masato Tanaka vs X-Pac (34-16)</option><option>#77. Masato Tanaka vs Rikishi (36-13)</option><option>#78. Brian Pillman vs Masato Tanaka (31-13)</option><option>#79. Brian Pillman vs Road Dogg (44-7)</option><option>#80. Ultimo Dragon vs Brian Pillman (29-28)</option><option>#81. Ultimo Dragon vs Goldust (35-19)</option><option>#82. Ultimo Dragon vs Barry Windham (36-9)</option><option>#83. Ultimo Dragon vs Randy Orton (35-34)</option><option>#84. Edge vs Ultimo Dragon (48-8)</option><option>#85. Edge vs Jeff Hardy (54-5)</option><option>#86. Edge vs Razor Ramon (44-21)</option><option>#87. Ted Dibiase vs Edge (39-33)</option><option>#88. Ted Dibiase vs Doink the Clown (59-4)</option><option>#89. Ted Dibiase vs Rick Rude (34-20)</option><option>#90. Ted Dibiase vs. Christian (39-32)</option><option>#91. Ted Dibiase vs. Bret Hart (24-55)</option><option>#92. Bret Hart vs. Scott Steiner (56-8)</option><option>#93. Bret Hart vs. Christopher Daniels (47-15)</option><option>#94. Bret Hart vs. Triple H (40-22)</option><option>#95. Bret Hart vs. Shawn Michaels (26-47)</option><option>#96. Shawn Michaels vs. Marty Jannetty (54-7)</option><option>#97. Shawn Michaels vs. Bryan Danielson (36-12)</option><option>#98. Shawn Michaels vs. Chris Benoit (38-33)</option><option>#99. Shawn Michaels vs. The Rock (44-34)</option><option>#100. Earthquake vs. Vader (10-65)</option><option>#101. Vader vs. Bam Bam Bigelow (33-32)</option><option>#102. Vader vs. The Great Muta (32-29)</option><option>#103. Vader vs. Mick Foley (16-42)</option><option>#104. Mick Foley vs. Al Snow (49-7)</option><option>#105. Mick Foley vs. Jerry Lynn (41-11)</option><option>#106. Mick Foley vs. Rob Van Dam (24-38)</option><option>#107. Rob Van Dam vs. Tommy Dreamer (52-4)</option><option>#108. Rob Van Dam vs. John Morrison (54-14)</option><option>#109. Rob Van Dam vs. Owen Hart (36-36)</option><option>#110. Rob Van Dam vs. The Undertaker (22-53)</option><option>#111. The Undertaker vs. Owen Hart (62-16)</option><option>#112. The Undertaker vs. Kane (63-3)</option><option>#113. The Undertaker vs. Diamond Dallas Page (51-18)</option><option>#114. The Undertaker vs. Ric Flair (44-43)</option><option>#115. John "Bradshaw" Layfield vs. Ron Simmons (33-25)</option><option>#116. John "Bradshaw" Layfield vs. Juventud Guerrera (28-19)</option><option>#117. John "Bradshaw" Layfield vs. The Big Show (25-39)</option><option>#118. The Big Show vs. Sid (50-10)</option><option>#119. The Big Show vs. Lance Storm (18-48)</option><option>#120. Lance Storm vs. Meng (65-7)</option><option>#121. Lance Storm vs. John Cena (53-18)</option><option>#122. Lance Storm vs. Sting (23-50)</option><option>#123. Sting vs. The Ultimate Warrior (57-18)</option><option>#124. Sting vs. Dusty Rhodes (50-24)</option><option>#125. Sting vs. CM Punk (41-32)</option><option>#126. Sting vs. Randy Savage (27-50)</option><option>#127. Randy Savage vs. Jim Duggan (65-7)</option><option>#128. Randy Savage vs. AJ Styles (64-13)</option><option>#129. Randy Savage vs. Booker T (61-16)</option><option>#130. Randy Savage vs. Roddy Piper (55-27)</option><option>#131. Rick Martel vs. Tito Santana (35-29)</option><option>#132. Rick Martel vs. Shane Douglas (29-36)</option><option>#133. Shane Douglas vs. Rhino (35-38)</option><option>#134. Rhino vs. Jeff Jarrett (30-36)</option><option>#135. Jeff Jarrett vs. Mike Rotunda (30-38)</option><option>#136. Mike Rotunda vs. Chris Kanyon (44-24)</option><option>#137. Mike Rotunda vs. Barry Windham (38-17)</option><option>#138. Mike Rotunda vs. Scott Hall (11-63)</option><option>#139. Scott Hall vs. Goldberg (60-17)</option><option>#140. Scott Hall vs. Kevin Nash (47-31)</option><option>#141. Scott Hall vs. Brian Pillman (44-34)</option><option>#142. Scott Hall vs. Edge (26-64)</option><option>#143. Edge vs. Matt Hardy (71-12)</option><option>#144. Edge vs. Arn Anderson (38-34)</option><option>#145. Edge vs. Randy Orton (45-36)</option><option>#146. Edge vs. Triple H (29-47)</option><option>#147. Triple H vs. Batista (65-8)</option><option>#148. Triple H vs. Raven (54-25)</option><option>#149. Triple H vs. Ricky Steamboat (44-43)</option><option>#150. Triple H vs. Eddie Guerrero (43-56)</option><option>#151. Eddie Guerrero vs. Trish Stratus (58-12)</option><option>#152. Eddie Guerrero vs. The Great Muta (47-11)</option><option>#153. Eddie Guerrero vs. Curt Hennig (34-43)</option><option>#154. Curt Hennig vs. Jerry Lawler (63-9)</option><option>#155. Curt Hennig vs. Hulk Hogan (54-17)</option><option>#156. Curt Hennig vs. Christian (47-26)</option><option>#157. Curt Hennig vs. The Rock (31-44)</option><option>#158. The Rock vs. Steve Blackman (54-22)</option><option>#159. The Rock vs. Vader (54-14)</option><option>#160. The Rock vs. Mick Foley (48-22)</option><option>#161. The Rock vs. Bret Hart (42-49)</option><option>#162. Bret Hart vs. Davey Boy Smith (70-8)</option><option>#163. Bret Hart vs. Dean Malenko (52-16)</option><option>#164. Bret Hart vs. Owen Hart (47-18)</option><option>#165. Bret Hart vs. Ric Flair (53-32)</option><option>#166. Barry Darsow vs. Ed Leslie (45-13)</option><option>#167. Barry Darsow vs. Jacques Rougeau (17-38)</option><option>#168. Jacques Rougeau vs. Evan Bourne (18-49)</option><option>#169. Evan Bourne vs. Mr. Anderson (38-16)</option><option>#170. Evan Bourne vs. Bryan Danielson(10-50)</option><option>#171. Bryan Danielson vs. Billy Gunn (56-16)</option><option>#172. Bryan Danielson vs. The Miz (42-26)</option><option>#173. Bryan Danielson vs. Chris Benoit (27-40)</option><option>#174. Chris Benoit vs. Chavo Guerrero (53-8)</option><option>#175. Chris Benoit vs. Perry Saturn (48-13)</option><option>#176. Chris Benoit vs. Lance Storm (36-21)</option><option>#177. Chris Benoit vs. Ted Dibiase (41-34)</option><option>#178. TAKA Michinoku vs. Sho Funaki (51-9)</option><option>#179. TAKA Michinoku vs. Santino Marella (48-9)</option><option>#180. TAKA Michinoku vs. Rey Mysterio (23-41)</option><option>#181. Rey Mysterio vs. Gregory Helms (34-8)</option><option>#182. Rey Mysterio vs. Jeff Hardy (41-18)</option><option>#183. Rey Mysterio vs. Diamond Dallas Page (34-37)</option><option>#184. Diamond Dallas Page vs. Big Boss Man (49-5)</option><option>#185. Diamond Dallas Page vs. Yoshihiro Tajiri (34-18)</option><option>#186. Diamond Dallas Page vs. CM Punk (19-41)</option><option>#187. CM Punk vs. Terry Funk (35-18)</option><option>#188. CM Punk vs. Kane (40-13)</option><option>#189. CM Punk vs. Rob Van Dam (39-22)</option><option>#190. CM Punk vs. "Rowdy" Roddy Piper (39-37)</option><option>#191. Ted DiBiase, Jr. vs. Cody Rhodes (23-36)</option><option>#192. Cody Rhodes vs. Goldust (10-51)</option><option>#193. Goldust vs. Shelton Benjamin (41-22)</option><option>#194. Goldust vs. Rick Rude (21-37)</option><option>#195. Rick Rude vs. Rick Martel (42-6)</option><option>#196. Rick Rude vs. The Big Show (30-15)</option><option>#197. Rick Rude vs. Jake Roberts (26-38)</option><option>#198. Jake Roberts vs. John "Bradshaw" Layfield (50-16)</option><option>#199. Jake Roberts vs. Arn Anderson (39-31)</option><option>#200. Jake Roberts vs. Brian Pillman (34-20)</option><option>#201. Jake Roberts vs. Edge (42-28)</option><option>#202. Raven vs. Shane Douglas (45-6)</option><option>#203. Raven vs. R-Truth (39-6)</option><option>#204. Raven vs. Booker T (31-40)</option><option>#205. Booker T vs. Jerry Lawler (37-20)</option><option>#206. Booker T vs. Sheamus (51-11)</option><option>#207. Booker T vs. Christian (21-33)</option><option>#208. Christian vs. Jushin "Thunder" Liger (30-21)</option><option>#209. Christian vs. Kevin Nash (30-24)</option><option>#210. Christian vs. Randy Orton (41-22)</option><option>#211. Christian vs. Eddie Guerrero (10-66)</option><option>#212. Eddie Guerrero vs. Andre the Giant (55-16)</option><option>#213. Eddie Guerrero vs. Hulk Hogan (47-29)</option><option>#214. Eddie Guerrero vs. Scott Hall (47-18)</option><option>#215. Eddie Guerrero vs. The Rock (28-40)</option><option>#216. The Rock vs. William Regal (39-17)</option><option>#217. The Rock vs. Brock Lesnar (47-13)</option><option>#218. The Rock vs. Sting (31-19)</option><option>#219. The Rock vs. Triple H (40-27)</option><option>#220. Ahmed Johnson vs. Ezekiel Jackson (41-11)</option><option>#221. Ahmed Johnson vs. The Godfather (6-44)</option><option>#222. The Godfather vs. D'Lo Brown (9-42)</option><option>#223. D'Lo Brown vs. Val Venis (29-20)</option><option>#224. D'Lo Brown vs. Mark Henry (36-23)</option><option>#225. D'Lo Brown vs. The Miz (10-46)</option><option>#226. The Miz vs. John Morrison (52-13)</option><option>#227. The Miz vs. Dolph Ziggler (39-49)</option><option>#228. Dolph Ziggler vs. Wade Barrett (42-21)</option><option>#229. Dolph Ziggler vs. John Cena (38-31)</option><option>#230. Dolph Ziggler vs. Lance Storm (38-37)</option><option>#231. Dolph Ziggler vs. Curt Hennig (18-55)</option><option>#233. Curt Hennig vs. Zack Ryder (62-8)</option><option>#234. Curt Hennig vs. Vader (45-14)</option><option>#234. Curt Hennig vs. Owen Hart (38-22)</option><option>#235. Curt Hennig vs. Ric Flair (48-39)</option><option>#236. Jesse James vs. Billy Gunn (16-38)</option><option>#237. Billy Gunn vs. Sabu (40-15)</option><option>#238. Billy Gunn vs. Scott Steiner (20-38)</option><option>#239. Scott Steiner vs. Billy Kidman (28-26)</option><option>#240. Scott Steiner vs. Alberto Del Rio (25-34)</option><option>#241. Alberto Del Rio vs. X-Pac (29-25)</option><option>#242. Alberto Del Rio vs. Cody Rhodes (19-44)</option><option>#243. Cody Rhodes vs. Kofi Kingston (49-7)</option><option>#244. Cody Rhodes vs. Dusty Rhodes (30-30)</option><option>#245. Cody Rhodes vs. Goldust (18-31)</option><option>#246. Goldust vs. Dusty Rhodes (31-15)</option><option>#247. Goldust vs. Vader (29-39)</option><option>#248. Vader vs. Yokozuna (55-8)</option><option>#249. Vader vs Stan Hansen (31-10)</option><option>#250. Vader vs. Mick Foley (15-41)</option><option>#251. Mick Foley vs. Terry Funk (34-18)</option><option>#252. Mick Foley vs. Santino Marella (60-2)</option><option>#253. Mick Foley vs. Diamond Dallas Page (40-19)</option><option>#254. Mick Foley vs. Edge (49-28)</option><option>#255. Tajiri vs. Super Crazy (62-4)</option><option>#256. Tajiri vs The Great Muta (17-35)</option><option>#257. The Great Muta vs. Ultimo Dragon (32-28)</option><option>#258. The Great Muta vs. Brian Pillman (32-21)</option><option>#259. The Great Muta vs. Booker T (24-36)</option><option>#260. Booker T vs. Ron Simmons (50-13)</option><option>#261. Booker T vs. John "Bradshaw" Layfield (37-20)</option><option>#262. Booker T vs. Daniel Bryan (28-20)</option><option>#263. Booker T vs. "Rowdy" Roddy Piper (20-40)</option><option>#264. "Rowdy" Roddy Piper vs. "Cowboy" Bob Orton (48-6)</option><option>#265. "Rowdy" Roddy Piper vs. Christian (30-13)</option><option>#266. "Rowdy" Roddy Piper vs. Scott Hall (37-15)</option><option>#267. "Rowdy" Roddy Piper vs. Eddie Guerrero (31-32)</option><option>#268. Eddie Guerrero vs. Mr. Anderson (56-1)</option><option>#269. Eddie Guerrero vs. Rey Mysterio (41-11)</option><option>#270. Eddie Guerrero vs. Ted DiBiase (41-13)</option><option>#271. Eddie Guerrero vs. Triple H (40-32)</option><option>#272. Kane vs. Ryback (50-15)</option><option>#273. Kane vs. Sid (28-23)</option><option>#274. Kane vs. Big Show (41-13)</option><option>#275. Kane vs. Sting (12-46)</option><option>#276. Sting vs. Lex Luger (49-2)</option><option>#277. Sting vs. Rick Rude (30-28)</option><option>#278. Sting vs. Rob Van Dam (37-12)</option><option>#279. Sting vs. Hulk Hogan (29-30)</option><option>#280. Hulk Hogan vs. Andre "The Giant" (46-14)</option><option>#281. Hulk Hogan vs. Jeff Hardy (49-11)</option><option>#282. Hulk Hogan vs. Ultimate Warrior (37-15)</option></select>

<select><option selected="selected">Previous Better Wrestler Hall of Fame</option><option>"Stone Cold" Steve Austin</option><option>Taz</option><option>Kurt Angle</option><option>Chris Jericho</option><option>"The Heartbreak Kid" Shawn Michaels</option><option>The Undertaker</option><option>"Macho Man" Randy Savage</option><option>Bret "Hitman" Hart</option><option>Chris Benoit</option><option>CM Punk</option><option>Jake "The Snake" Roberts</option><option>The Rock</option><option>"Mr. Perfect" Curt Hennig</option><option>Mick Foley</option><option>Eddie Guerrero</option><option>Hulk Hogan</option></select>

<select><option selected="selected">Previous Best Wrestler Tournament History</option><option>ROUND 1</option><option>#1. Randy Savage vs. Taz (72-4)</option><option>#2. The Undertaker vs. Steve Austin (42-42)</option><option>#3. Chris Jericho vs. Jake Roberts (52-15)</option><option>#4. Bret Hart vs. CM Punk (44-24)</option><option>#5. Curt Hennig vs. The Rock (27-31)</option><option>#6. Mick Foley vs. Kurt Angle (18-41)</option><option>#7. Eddie Guerrero vs. Shawn Michaels (13-50)</option><option>#8. Chris Benoit vs. Hulk Hogan (28-36)</option><option>ROUND 2</option><option>#9. Randy Savage vs. Hulk Hogan (41-18)</option><option>#10. The Undertaker vs. Steve Austin vs. Shawn Michaels (14-22-26)</option><option>#11. Chris Jericho vs. Kurt Angle (30-27)</option><option>#12. Bret Hart vs. The Rock (32-34)</option><option>ROUND 3</option><option>#13. Randy Savage vs. The Rock (41-22)</option><option>#14. Chris Jericho vs. Shawn Michaels (20-43)</option><option>ROUND 4</option><option>#15. Randy Savage vs Shawn Michaels (25-48)</option></select>

Ol Dirty Dastard

07-13-2017, 03:12 PM

going by my "who would I rather watch" metric, I'm going Jericho.

Destor

07-13-2017, 03:12 PM

Jericho never drew a dime. Andre.

Rammsteinmad

07-13-2017, 03:13 PM

Chris Jericho.

GOAT.

Ol Dirty Dastard

07-13-2017, 03:15 PM

Jericho never drew a dime. Andre.

Andre drew more, but I wouldn't say Jericho didn't draw a dime.

Evil Vito

07-13-2017, 03:15 PM

Jericho is possibly the best all-rounder in the history of professional wrestling. Can wrestle so many different styles and has thrived in roles both serious and comedic in both face and heel alignments. And he constantly reinvents himself and found a way to become one of the most entertaining guys on the roster despite approaching 50.

Andre is the bigger legend, but Jericho is the better wrestler.

Ol Dirty Dastard

07-13-2017, 03:17 PM

Jericho was also never put in the position to draw too much IMO. The one chance he got as THE FIRST Undisputed champ was all about Stephanie putting herself over, which she loves to do, ruining the Jericho/Hunter feud which would have been great.

Him and Michaels did well with their main event feud though, but Jericho didn't get much after that.

Ruien

07-13-2017, 03:20 PM

Y2J is a Mount Rushmore wrestler. Second best all around wrestler behind Kurt Angle. But Y2J was around wayyyy longer.

Mr. Nerfect

07-13-2017, 03:21 PM

Andre the Giant is one of the biggest draws of all-time. Jericho is a fantastic wrestler, but never drew money. You can make excuses for him it all you want, but he didn't have the gravity to be a main eventer in 2001/2002, by his own admission. Jericho has seemingly pieced more together now, but it comes towards the tail-end of a career. His 2008 run was tremendous, from a critical perspective, but Andre had years of being money everywhere he went.

If you were starting a promotion from scratch and you had the option between an Andre the Giant or a Chris Jericho, you would rather have Andre working for you. You want to make money.

Ol Dirty Dastard

07-13-2017, 03:23 PM

Jericho said he wasn't ready because he doesn't want to upset the wrong people.

Jericho is also just better to watch than Andre.

Ol Dirty Dastard

07-13-2017, 03:24 PM

It's not always who drew more. Some guys are better but didn't draw.

Mr. Nerfect

07-13-2017, 03:31 PM

There are occasions where I could go with someone to be a supplementary player over a draw if you've already got other people in your ideal roster or something, but the goal of wrestling is to make as much money as possible. If you are not making money, you are not really hitting the notes you are supposed to.

I would have agreed with your point about Jericho not wanting to upset the wrong people a few years ago, but going back to to this period, you can kind of see him overwhelmed in certain roles. That might be the wrong word, but he's not exactly bulletproof like top stars of the time were.

Andre was also a great wrestler. It's not some schlub against Jericho here -- it's a legitimate Rushmore wrestler. Andre should only be beat by someone who changed the business.

Destor

07-13-2017, 03:34 PM

Andre drew more, but I wouldn't say Jericho didn't draw a dime.
Would and did

Destor

07-13-2017, 03:36 PM

Jericho said he wasn't ready because he doesn't want to upset the wrong people.

Jericho is also just better to watch than Andre.
Jericho has never been afraid of saying something someone shouldnt hear

Evil Vito

07-13-2017, 03:37 PM

Saying Andre was a better wrestler than Jericho because he was the bigger draw is pretty much in line with a shoot I saw from Al Snow a while back where he said Hogan/Andre was the best match of WM3, not Steamboat/Savage because in his mind, the best match is the one that gets people to watch and buy tickets no matter how the actual match is from a work rate standpoint.

So it's all a matter of what you value most. I don't own a promotion, so I don't really care who draws the most money. Wrestling is entertainment and Jericho has entertained me thoroughly for most of the two decades I've been watching.

Destor

07-13-2017, 03:38 PM

Your reasons are your own. I'll dispute facts but not reasons.

Mr. Nerfect

07-13-2017, 03:43 PM

It's a HUGE factor to me. Steamboat/Savage from WrestleMania III owes a lot to Hogan/Andre drawing people in to give it that crowd to help it stand out so much. You run Steamboat/Savage on a show that no one gives a fuck about, then just how mythical does it become? How many matches on Velocity would have been considered 4-to-6-star classics if they had just happened in Japan?

Steamboat/Savage also probably had more buzz about it than almost anything Jericho has ever done, frankly. Hogan/Andre was definitely the "bigger" match, but Steamboat/Savage was no non-factor. Just pointing that out, because I feel it is a false analogy to make.

Mr. Nerfect

07-13-2017, 03:45 PM

Your reasons are your own. I'll dispute facts but not reasons.

Yeah, it's fair enough to vote for personal enjoyment or whatever. I just find some paths of thought kind of illogical.

Ol Dirty Dastard

07-13-2017, 03:47 PM

Noid, saying Jericho is better than Andre is not illogical.

Ol Dirty Dastard

07-13-2017, 03:47 PM

Would and did

I didn't say YOU wouldn't, I said I wouldn't. MOTHERFUCKER

Ol Dirty Dastard

07-13-2017, 03:48 PM

I will say, Andre is on Mount Rushmore whereas Jericho is not. But that's for being an mfing trailblazer. I will just watch any jericho match before any andre match.

Destor

07-13-2017, 03:50 PM

If you ask me who is the better wrestlers the first thing im alaways going to ask myself is who scammed the most poeple out of their money. Because thats what being a wrestler is.

Did Hogan/Andre scam the most poeple that night? Yeah. Did they scam the most people long term? I dunno. If you put both matches up for .99¢ I bet you sell more copies of Steamboat/Savage over 20 years by a wide margin.

It's fluid.

Ol Dirty Dastard

07-13-2017, 03:52 PM

interesting take, I like it.

Nicky Fives

07-13-2017, 03:54 PM

I love Jericho, but Andre is the greatest spectacle in the history of professional wrestling and is, was and always will be the better wrestler. Sorry Chris :'(

Destor

07-13-2017, 03:58 PM

Unrelated rant:

While we are bsing about the Andre/Hogan match something has been bothering me for like 3 of these but is off topic:

Silverdome is without a doubt Hogan's peak. Wether you use the WWFs number (93,000) or the arenas (78,000) he never passed it.

Ric Flair headlined in front 190,000 in N. Korea in the largest draw in the history of the busiess. So fuck off with "JYD was more over" bull shit.

Ric Flair is the biggest draw of all time. Period.

Ol Dirty Dastard

07-13-2017, 04:01 PM

Don't say that to Gertner, biggest fucking Vince mark there is.

Destor

07-13-2017, 04:03 PM

Ric Flair isnt on the Wrestling Mt Rushmore. That's because its carved in the side of SPACE MOUNTAIN.

Mr. Nerfect

07-13-2017, 04:30 PM

Noid, saying Jericho is better than Andre is not illogical.

I didn't say that it was. I said that some trains of thought are illogical. That was specifically towards Vito's analogy. As opinion saying that you connect more to Jericho or whatever, that's cool.

Ol Dirty Dastard

07-13-2017, 04:31 PM

trusay

Ol Dirty Dastard

07-13-2017, 04:31 PM

in saying that, I expect a Giant victory due to his impact on wrestling.

Mr. Nerfect

07-13-2017, 04:33 PM

I will say, Andre is on Mount Rushmore whereas Jericho is not. But that's for being an mfing trailblazer. I will just watch any jericho match before any andre match.

I dunno, I've been enjoying watching some Andre matches, and Jericho has had some dull performances. ANY Andre match versus ANY Jericho match is just where I differ here. But I do agree with your Mount Rushmore assessment.

If you ask me who is the better wrestlers the first thing im alaways going to ask myself is who scammed the most poeple out of their money. Because thats what being a wrestler is.

Did Hogan/Andre scam the most poeple that night? Yeah. Did they scam the most people long term? I dunno. If you put both matches up for .99¢ I bet you sell more copies of Steamboat/Savage over 20 years by a wide margin.

It's fluid.

That's a very good point.

I love Jericho, but Andre is the greatest spectacle in the history of professional wrestling and is, was and always will be the better wrestler. Sorry Chris :'(

I can empathize with the hard choice here. :'(

Mr. Nerfect

07-13-2017, 04:34 PM

in saying that, I expect a Giant victory due to his impact on wrestling.

Jericho's off to a really good start, to his credit.

Ol Dirty Dastard

07-13-2017, 04:35 PM

I was hyperbolizing. Any Andre vs Stan Hansen match worked.

Mr. Nerfect

07-13-2017, 05:15 PM

Yeah, I shouldn't have taken it so literally. Fuck I love Hansen.

mike adamle

07-13-2017, 05:24 PM

Destor

07-13-2017, 05:49 PM

Why wouldn't it?

BUTS IN SEATS. $$$

Bad News Gertner

07-13-2017, 06:38 PM

Andre by a mile.

Jericho is just a leech.

Bad News Gertner

07-13-2017, 06:40 PM

:wave:Unrelated rant:

While we are bsing about the Andre/Hogan match something has been bothering me for like 3 of these but is off topic:

Silverdome is without a doubt Hogan's peak. Wether you use the WWFs number (93,000) or the arenas (78,000) he never passed it.

Ric Flair headlined in front 190,000 in N. Korea in the largest draw in the history of the busiess. So fuck off with "JYD was more over" bull shit.

Ric Flair is the biggest draw of all time. Period.

Those North Korean fans were forced to attend.

Until Flair came to the WWF, Koko B Ware was more recognizable in Canada/North America than Flair.

Ol Dirty Dastard

07-13-2017, 06:45 PM

haha love the hackneyed contrarianism

A.J.K

07-13-2017, 06:47 PM

Chris Jericho.

GOAT.

100 % agree. Jericho has been constantly getting over no matter what era it is, what is trendy and what is not. He just gets....It!

Destor

07-13-2017, 06:49 PM

:wave:

Those North Korean fans were forced to attend.

Until Flair came to the WWF, Koko B Ware was more recognizable in Canada/North America than Flair.

Lololololololololokilolololololol

A.J.K

07-13-2017, 06:51 PM

And also one more thing adding to this, when i first started watching and had zero idea of heel-face etc, Jericho was one of the guys that drew me into watching wrestling.

Destor

07-13-2017, 06:59 PM

Lock Jaw

07-13-2017, 07:18 PM

DAMN iNATOR

07-13-2017, 07:22 PM

This one was closer and much tougher for me to decide. I'd much rather watch André than Jericho and I also believe André would wrestle circles around Jericho one-on-one.

Destor

07-13-2017, 07:32 PM

This one was closer and much tougher for me to decide. I'd much rather watch André than Jericho and I also believe André would wrestle circles around Jericho one-on-one.

Wait... like hold for hold?

Ol Dirty Dastard

07-13-2017, 07:44 PM

lmfao

Lock Jaw

07-13-2017, 07:50 PM

Andre was well known for being the man of 1,010 Holds.

Ol Dirty Dastard

07-13-2017, 07:55 PM

Huge fan of Andre's trademark asaai moonsault- did a way better version than Chris Jericho.

Blonde Moment

07-13-2017, 07:56 PM

KIRA

07-13-2017, 08:05 PM

Don't say that to Gertner, biggest fucking Vince mark there is.

I think its spelled Cynick

and as far as better wrestler... Jericho

Ol Dirty Dastard

07-13-2017, 08:06 PM

Gertner echoes many of CyNick's views.

Ol Dirty Dastard

07-13-2017, 08:06 PM

I mean he's a great poster, but he's in love with Vince and Hogan.

Mr. Nerfect

07-13-2017, 08:39 PM

Whoa, whoa, whoa -- Gertner is both way more reasonable and way better at trolling (when he wants to) than CyNick. I'm curious to see this ongoing debate of the north versus the south between Gerty and Destor, but Gerty has got way more credibility than CyNick. Way more.

Ol Dirty Dastard

07-13-2017, 08:50 PM

CyNick infuriated the entire wrestling forum thus proving he was an amazing troll lol

But Gertner is no doubt the goods.

Bad News Gertner

07-13-2017, 08:59 PM

Gertner you were clearly an 80s baby and you clearly havent lived south of the Mason Dixon Line. A great example of what history looks like when written by the winmers. WE WILL FINISH THIS DEBATE SOON THOUGH.

Once the WWF went national, the South dried up. Especially by the late 80's when WCW couldn't fill a rec centre.

It's why people called wrestling "WWF" and not "wrestling". You'd NEVER find a WCW wrestler on a national talk show, national appearences etc....

Evil Vito

07-13-2017, 09:21 PM

If TPWW were around in 1990, Gertner would've said that WCW fans were fat virgins.

Mr. Nerfect

07-13-2017, 09:23 PM

CyNick infuriated the entire wrestling forum thus proving he was an amazing troll lol

But Gertner is no doubt the goods.

I guess it depends on how you define a troll. Gertner is better to me because he is often right, and that gets under my skin, hahaha.

Mr. Nerfect

07-13-2017, 09:24 PM

If TPWW were around in 1990, Gertner would've said that WCW fans were fat virgins.

I saw the beauty pageant at Souled Out.

DAMN iNATOR

07-13-2017, 09:35 PM

Wait... like hold for hold?

I don't generally read the posts in these polls besides the match-up. I just cast my vote and give my opinion and reasoning as to why I think one superstar is better than their opposition. Is that not the point of these polls? Because that's exactly what I did, just like every other time.

André might not be better hold for hold but I do feel overall that he is superior.

Destor

07-13-2017, 09:42 PM

Once the WWF went national, the South dried up. Especially by the late 80's when WCW couldn't fill a rec centre.

It's why people called wrestling "WWF" and not "wrestling". You'd NEVER find a WCW wrestler on a national talk show, national appearences etc....

Trying to draw a false comparison between being on a national talk show and success. the fed is called new york for a reason. Theyre based out of the largest market with the largest media share. This is the same reason you will see national coverage on the new york jets no matter how shit they are but not on the jags or the bucs. Larger media share. Thats all. This doesnt indicate any as glamorous stature as you'd hope it would.

Unsubstantiated metric is unsubstantiated.

Bad News Gertner

07-13-2017, 10:55 PM

Bad News Gertner

07-13-2017, 10:56 PM

If TPWW were around in 1990, Gertner would've said that WCW fans were fat virgins.

Replace virgins with Hillbillies.

Destor

07-13-2017, 11:08 PM

It's not a false comparison. The WWF wrestlers were in the mainstream media ALOT more than the WCW/NWA guys. They were exposed to a national audience. Flair wasn't. Saturday Nights Main Event was seen on National T.V drawing a huge share. Flair wasn't.

Flair just didn't have the same audience. He was regional, WWF was national. Especially in Canada. My friends and I didn't even know who Flair was until he came to the WWF.

Them being on Carson did translate to anything meaningful. Theres a reason Vince didnt tour the south, who wouldnt draw here. Just like Hogan jumping to WCW didnt boost the gate any. They were already filling the arenas. Only thing Hogan did was let them run different areas. Because despite Vinces claims he was regional too. NE and hey did *ok* on the west coast. Tbf no one has ever done great on he west coast. But that's where he primarily drew his numbers.

I cant speak for Canada im not Canadian but i am a southerner. Hogan was nothing down here and being on NBC did change that. We watched TBS. To my knowledge NWA never made any effort to expand into CAN be WWF going into SE CAN isnt exactly a far drive, still essentially regional.

Maluco

07-13-2017, 11:14 PM

I watch wrestling for the spectacle and big angles and matches. I enjoy a great match, but great workers are a dime a dozen. Being a true draw is much rarer and has far more worth than being good in the ring.

Jericho has been very entertaining and has had some great matches, but he has never been a top guy. There is a reason he has so many IC title reigns.

His skill set has him a tier below the very top guys his whole career.

Don't see how you can justify him going over a massive star and icon of the business.

It would be like Mr Perfect going over Hulk Hogan.

Bad News Gertner

07-13-2017, 11:20 PM

Lol this is such a stupid comment, but at work I have a collection of Pop Figures on my desk: Andre, Hogan, Flair, Savage and Piper.

The ONLY one that I get questioned on the identity of is Flair .

Bad News Gertner

07-13-2017, 11:21 PM

Them being on Carson did translate to anything meaningful. Theres a reason Vince didnt tour the south, who wouldnt draw here. Just like Hogan jumping to WCW didnt boost the gate any. They were already filling the arenas. Only thing Hogan did was let them run different areas. Because despite Vinces claims he was regional too. NE and hey did *ok* on the west coast. Tbf no one has ever done great on he west coast. But that's where he primarily drew his numbers.

I cant speak for Canada im not Canadian but i am a southerner. Hogan was nothing down here and being on NBC did change that. We watched TBS. To my knowledge NWA never made any effort to expand into CAN be WWF going into SE CAN isnt exactly a far drive, still essentially regional.

The WWF did tour the south a lot. They were on Arsenio Hall constantly , Regis and Kathy Lee etc...all National shows.

Destor

07-13-2017, 11:26 PM

They did not tour the south a lot. They went into the south on occasion, just like the nwa went north from time to time. Neither did great outside of their stomping grounds.

It didnt become a national game until the nwo/austin era. The territory floods gates burst wide open in the mid to late 90s

Destor

07-13-2017, 11:27 PM

Vince ran southern territories like the nwa ran kansas. Just enough to keep it special otherwise it wouldnt draw.

SlickyTrickyDamon

07-13-2017, 11:50 PM

DAMN iNATOR

07-13-2017, 11:55 PM

That doesn't count and you know it. It was a sold show in a communist dictatorship. Show up or die.

Not to mention, it hardly seems fair to say that just because of one particular show x > draw than y.

Destor

07-14-2017, 12:05 AM

That doesn't count and you know it. It was a sold show in a communist dictatorship. Show up or die.

Actually pretty false. People were chosen based on social status, it was a huge honor to go.

Destor

07-14-2017, 12:06 AM

Not to mention, it hardly seems fair to say that just because of one particular show x > draw than y.

Its hardly one show. Hogan and Flair sold out arenas every time they stepped into them all things being equal it boils down to records. Flair trumps Hogan by a laughable margin.

Destor

07-14-2017, 12:07 AM

I'VE HIGHJACKED MY OWN THREAD.

Destor

07-14-2017, 12:08 AM

Gonna try and get back on topic: Nothing Jericho ever did had any cultural significance in the slightest. Despite that this poll is legit amazing. 12-12

Mr. Nerfect

07-14-2017, 12:28 AM

Gonna try and get back on topic: Nothing Jericho ever did had any cultural significance in the slightest. Despite that this poll is legit amazing. 12-12

I dunno, man -- that game show that lasted one season was pretty epic.

Mr. Nerfect

07-14-2017, 12:28 AM

Destor

07-14-2017, 12:36 AM

I dunno, man -- that game show that lasted one season was pretty epic.

I would like to change my vote

Lock Jaw

07-14-2017, 12:41 AM

Is Jericho a better Wrestler in the ring? Yep
Could you build a promotion around Jericho? Yep
Was Jericho better on the Mike? Yep

Who would you use to draw people to the show to see Jericho do his thing? Andre
There is no doubt that Jericho is better all around but the man who will be front and center on that promotional poster will be Andre and that is why i voted for him

See, using my criteria of judging things, I can use this analogy but add on to it saying:

Andre will hook them in to the show, but a guy like Chris Jericho will keep them coming back, and to me that is what matters. Jericho may not have been as big of a "draw" as Andre, but he was/is consistently more entertaining (in my opinion). Seeing Andre would then eventually run thin and you would be left with going to the show to see Jericho do his thing.

DAMN iNATOR

07-14-2017, 12:44 AM

I would like to change my vote

Not so fast...that other game show that only lasted 1 episode was MUCH more epic than the one Noid's talking about!

Bad News Gertner

07-14-2017, 12:58 AM

Vince ran southern territories like the nwa ran kansas. Just enough to keep it special otherwise it wouldnt draw.

Since I have nothing better to do, I decided to look up a random southern state in a random late 80's/early 90's year.

They ran 19 shows in the state of Tennessee in 1989.

That's significant

Bad News Gertner

07-14-2017, 01:02 AM

Had a bit more time so I did another one

They ran 32 shows in the state of Texas in 1991

Destor

07-14-2017, 01:17 AM

Now run new york

Destor

07-14-2017, 01:21 AM

They ran Ny 19 times in 89...by april

Destor

07-14-2017, 01:22 AM

Data is nothing with out perspective

Bad News Gertner

07-14-2017, 01:57 AM

Wasn't talking about New York. I was just responding to your post where you said they didn't run the South often at all.

Destor

07-14-2017, 02:02 AM

Vince ran southern territories like the nwa ran kansas. Just enough to keep it special otherwise it wouldnt draw.

Specifically said he ran them.

Bad News Gertner

07-14-2017, 02:05 AM

Lol I totally took that as you ment ran "2-3" shows a year

Blonde Moment

07-14-2017, 03:05 AM

See, using my criteria of judging things, I can use this analogy but add on to it saying:

Andre will hook them in to the show, but a guy like Chris Jericho will keep them coming back, and to me that is what matters. Jericho may not have been as big of a "draw" as Andre, but he was/is consistently more entertaining (in my opinion). Seeing Andre would then eventually run thin and you would be left with going to the show to see Jericho do his thing.

The end result is that you can't have Jericho without Andre but who could you replace Jericho with? You can get a pretty good list going I bet

Lock Jaw

07-14-2017, 03:27 AM

And Jericho would be a better choice than 95% of that list (in my opinion)

Mr. Nerfect

07-14-2017, 04:40 AM

It depends how high-end you made your list. Eddie, Angle, Benoit, Bret, Perfect, Flair, Austin, Rock, Hogan, Steamboat and Savage came to mind without stretching my thinking too much.

That's why I don't get the "Jericho is a Rushmore wrestler" argument. He's not even in the top of his class. And that's not meant as a knock -- he's an all-time great, but that's not the same as being #1 in a field, or even in the top four.

Destor

07-14-2017, 08:14 AM

Lol I totally took that as you ment ran "2-3" shows a year

More like 2-3 tours. Theyd sweep through the state hitting the typical venues on their way to larger markets.

Black Widow

07-14-2017, 01:52 PM

Jericho not even close Ha!

Destor

07-14-2017, 02:12 PM

tied again...geez

Mr. Nerfect

07-14-2017, 02:56 PM

Mr. Nerfect

07-14-2017, 02:59 PM

I posted the entire Andre vs. Strong Kobayashi match a few bouts ago, but here is the Tombstone from it:

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/4-JLEItISc8" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Sepholio

07-14-2017, 05:16 PM

Yeah this one was easy for me. Jericho is the GOATNNKN (greatest of all time not named Kevin Nash). Sorry Andre.

Ol Dirty Dastard

07-14-2017, 05:54 PM

A.J.K

07-14-2017, 06:08 PM

While I think Jericho himself would vote Andre, i think those voting Jericho just have a far stronger emotional connection with y2j.

Where Cena and Show lost for me is i have 0 connection with them. I respect both but show is a flop and most of Cenas run is corporately manufactured. He got over in hos own but when he was given the ball, he failed to emotionally connect with the older crowd in his intended role.

On an unrelated note that has no bearing, i loved gearing Bruno who hates everyone, put Jericho over HUGE on talk is jericho.

Admittedly yes, i grew up watching Jericho compete years before i saw anything of Andre's career.

Ol Dirty Dastard

07-14-2017, 06:57 PM

Id seen some Andre before i saw jericho but very limited. And yet connect more emotionally with Andre than i do cena or show both of whom i grew up watching. Well i stopped watching due to the cena era.

Mr. Nerfect

07-14-2017, 08:30 PM

While I think Jericho himself would vote Andre, i think those voting Jericho just have a far stronger emotional connection with y2j.

Where Cena and Show lost for me is i have 0 connection with them. I respect both but show is a flop and most of Cenas run is corporately manufactured. He got over in hos own but when he was given the ball, he failed to emotionally connect with the older crowd in his intended role.

On an unrelated note that has no bearing, i loved gearing Bruno who hates everyone, put Jericho over HUGE on talk is jericho.

I think this is it. I don't want to sidetrack this into a conversation about the Cena era, but once we're able to look at it in retrospect, it's going to be interesting to see where it falls. Is it going to be considered a success or a failure? Cena's run is complicated. I'm not suggesting we discuss it here, but it's certainly intriguing.

Destor

07-14-2017, 08:59 PM

Not like weve been on topic up until now

Mr. Nerfect

07-14-2017, 09:19 PM

I dunno, discussing how shitty Jericho's talk shows were is kind of on point.

Destor

07-14-2017, 09:21 PM

Haha

Bad News Gertner

07-15-2017, 01:59 AM

Don't say that to Gertner, biggest fucking Vince mark there is.

Lol ok, where did you get that from

Mr. Nerfect

07-15-2017, 03:11 AM

He heard it from CyNick, so it must be reliable.

Ol Dirty Dastard

07-15-2017, 08:33 AM

Lol ok, where did you get that from

:lol:

Ol Dirty Dastard

07-15-2017, 08:41 AM

I dunno, discussing how shitty Jericho's talk shows were is kind of on point.

lol I like it when he has good guests, but he rarely has good guests. I'd be happy to never listen to Corey Taylor ever again, that dude seems like a fucking idiot.

#1-norm-fan

07-15-2017, 09:29 AM

If I'm starting a company today, as great as he is, I could find another suitable Jericho and not suffer too much. Andre is irreplaceable.

Bad News Gertner

07-15-2017, 09:38 AM

All the Wrestling podcasts on podcast one are terrible.

Edge and Christian have easily the best "wrestler" podcasts

Ol Dirty Dastard

07-15-2017, 09:45 AM

I enjoy Killing the Town.

Ol Dirty Dastard

07-15-2017, 09:46 AM

E and C are the best tho

Bad News Gertner

07-15-2017, 10:18 AM

Mooney and Duggan's is an easy listen, although Duggan repeats himself alot. J.J Dillon's and Tony Schi one's are pretty good too.

Bruce Prichard's is the worst wrestling podcast around

Ol Dirty Dastard

07-15-2017, 10:19 AM

Prichard is just clearly such a fucking liar/carney

Bad News Gertner

07-15-2017, 10:22 AM

And the constant impressions. I try and listen because some of the topics are interesting, but I end up turning it off after 10 minutes. Conrad is a fucking abortion too.

Ol Dirty Dastard

07-15-2017, 10:27 AM

Conrad is the ultra mark, and he acts like he presses Bruce, but he really doesn't. I do like Prichard's Vince impression, but it ends there.

Ol Dirty Dastard

07-15-2017, 10:34 AM

My problem with Conrad is he desperately wants to be "One of the boys", and I've been led to believe he gets to hang out with them because he pays them to be his friends.

He's just a fat mark, who happens to have money so he's not dwelling in a basement.

Bad News Gertner

07-15-2017, 10:49 AM

Prichard does an amazing Dusty Rhodes

Destor

07-15-2017, 01:36 PM

With a day to go this match could go either way

Mr. Nerfect

07-15-2017, 06:13 PM

Prichard is just clearly such a fucking liar/carney

This. The topics are very interesting, but you can tell the dude is working. He gets quite a lot of stuff wrong too. Like, not in terms of his story versus the online one, just in terms of things historically.

Mr. Nerfect

07-15-2017, 06:14 PM

Prichard reminds me of the guy at school who thought he was really funny, but people never actually laughed at his jokes, but he had to have something.

Emperor Smeat

07-15-2017, 08:07 PM

Voted for Jericho.

Mainly for feeling he was the better overall package and the personal connection watching his career over the years being stronger than Andre and his legacy for big men wrestlers.

Mr. Nerfect

07-15-2017, 08:18 PM

I can't argue with the personal connection, but Andre was more than just a legacy for big men wrestlers. The dude left a legacy for wrestling. He is so, so important. Jericho is someone you could probably pluck from history, and sure, you lose quality, but nothing really changes. Well, maybe we don't have the Money in the Bank gimmick, which might be a blessing.

Maluco

07-15-2017, 09:44 PM

Actually find it crazy Jericho is going to win this, when arguably he has never even been a top 5 guy in any major company, ever.

While Andre is a global icon and was drawing more as an invalid than Y2J drew in his entire career.

Mr. Nerfect

07-15-2017, 10:07 PM

Mr. Nerfect

07-15-2017, 10:12 PM

I honestly don't know how anyone could consider Jericho a Rushmore wrestler. Like, your personal fandom of the guy aside, what metrics are you using that he is the top 4 in ANY category? I can understand if he's your favorite or in your four favorites (FAV 5!), but anyone can surely rattle off a list of better or comparable promos off the top of their head. Surely anyone can list four better in-ring performers off the top of their head. Surely someone can rattle off a list of four more significant performers off the top of their head. Surely someone can rattle off a list of four who did ALL of that better than Jericho.

Again, that's not a knock on the guy's legendary talent. But I'm sure even the dude himself would not legitimately put him up there.

#1-norm-fan

07-16-2017, 12:29 AM

mike adamle

07-16-2017, 12:37 AM

All the Wrestling podcasts on podcast one are terrible.

Edge and Christian have easily the best "wrestler" podcasts

Keepin' it 100 with Konnan is a really fun listen almost every week. My personal favorite podcast.

Ol Dirty Dastard

07-16-2017, 08:32 AM

Jericho is a workrate guy and he's current. That's huge IWC advantage. I'm actually pleasantly surprised Andre performed this well. I wanted him in just because I felt like he deserved a shot but I was surprised to see him make it past Cena, let alone take Jericho to the limit.

I dont know how jericho would do against Cena, but similar to Andre, i would watch y2j 100000000x before Cena. At least Jericho evolves his act. Cena is the plain jane of top acts. If you rate them in their respective role... Cena as THE guy and Jericho as main event utility guy, Jericho is better imo. Jericho at least gets people over.

Realize thats not what you were talking about but thought it worth a mention. Sure Cena is a proven top guy but as Noid and I have talked about he is the top guy in one of the most stagnant decades pkus in wrestling history. Jericho was a player in the hottest era and nipping at the main event in mid 2000 in the shark tank. Cena was given the ball and literally was put over an entire roster in one match and was booed for years by crowds he should have been cheered by. Yeah its the act now, but that was never the intent.

Jericho didnt have attributes to be the top guy yet by sheer force of will he has stuck aeound and can work what has become his own schedule and has remained relevant for 20 years. Yeah hes had a couple of stale times but then he would reinvent himself.

Now i dont know if that makes him better than Andre... But i stated my reasons for mt Jericho vote there. But its why id rank him wayyyyy ahead of big match john.

mike adamle

07-16-2017, 12:24 PM

I chose Jericho because while I accept Andre is the bigger name, Jericho has entertained me way more than Andre The Giant has.

#1-norm-fan

07-16-2017, 03:29 PM

I dont know how jericho would do against Cena, but similar to Andre, i would watch y2j 100000000x before Cena.

From looking at the history, apparently Cena vs Jericho happened quite a while ago and Jericho DESTROYED Cena 33-4. lol

No way it's that much of a blowout if it were to happen again.

As far as the "Cena not evolving" thing goes, I don't fault him for that. As the face of the company during a dark period, he gets too much of the blame. He was the clear choice for the future of the company when he was a midcarder and his faults as a character came as soon as WWE decided to revolve around him. I honestly think if Jericho were ever put in the position to be face of the company, he would have suffered in a very similar fashion and become stale immediately. If you're running the show and you're looking for a guy to be the face of the company, I think Cena's got that mainstream appeal "it factor" in droves.

Ol Dirty Dastard

07-16-2017, 03:47 PM

Id go with cena too but imo some blame has to be placed on him.

Ol Dirty Dastard

07-16-2017, 03:48 PM

I loved him as a midcarder and he got over in his own. Was super psyched for him to end hhhs reign of terror. But Vince doesnt know how to book babyfaces after Austin. As youve pointed out he even had rock job all the time.

Ol Dirty Dastard

07-16-2017, 03:50 PM

And tbh seems like Austin exuded a lot of control over his directiom

Ol Dirty Dastard

07-16-2017, 03:51 PM

I mean look at how Vince tried to book Nash and Michaels. Clueless.

Bad News Gertner

07-16-2017, 06:07 PM

Vince doesn't know how to book heart throb babyfaces. Looks through history. He's never had one outside of Shawn

Ol Dirty Dastard

07-16-2017, 06:38 PM

doesn't really know how to book any babyfaces. Caught fire with Hogan. Austin seems like he wouldn't let Vince do anything dumb with him. I guess he was good between 1998-2000 with the likes of Foley/Rock etc but really I dunno. Other than Hogan, Austin, and Rock he hasn't had anyone who can carry wrestling further than a niche product.

Ol Dirty Dastard

07-16-2017, 06:38 PM

book also probably had a hard time booking Shawn because he was too busy fantasizing over blowing him.

Mr. Nerfect

07-17-2017, 03:46 AM

Vince doesn't know how to book heart throb babyfaces. Looks through history. He's never had one outside of Shawn

And Shawn wasn't exactly a magnetic ratings draw during that run.

Mr. Nerfect

07-17-2017, 03:48 AM

It's tough with Cena. I'd actually say he has evolved as a performer, in that we've seen him get really good in front of our eyes. Keep in mind he was made the top guy six years into his career. We've seen him develop in the spotlight over a 15-year period. It's not just that we've turned a corner on Cena, but he's actually progressed to the point where I believe he could now be a top guy and a real draw. Back when he was pushed, he was still a mid-carder who had the main event look and was just jammed, jammed, jammed as people walked away.

Some of it is on Cena, in the sense that he just wasn't up to scratch for it. A lot of it falls onto Vince and the WWE though. They should have known better and had other guys that they could have run with while Cena was still cooking in order to not sour everyone on him as early as they did.

Ol Dirty Dastard

07-17-2017, 06:17 AM

Cena's character hasn't evolved at all

Mr. Nerfect

07-17-2017, 07:34 AM

I was talking about him more as a well-rounded persona in general. He's a lot more polished in almost every sense. The character itself? It's harder to say. I find it a lot more interesting now than I ever did, because he's the old lion. I don't particularly want any massive sort of changes with him.

Ol Dirty Dastard

07-17-2017, 09:06 AM

I could do without the jorts. And a few other things. Cant biy and old lion with jorts and tilted hats.

Shisen Kopf

07-17-2017, 06:54 PM

Andre the Giant by far. Believe me i know rasslin and Little Chris is no Giant. Wrong choice people. Terrible. And people wonder why the forums are failing.

Mr. Nerfect

07-18-2017, 04:06 AM

I could do without the jorts. And a few other things. Cant biy and old lion with jorts and tilted hats.

I fucking hate the jorts. Always have and always will. I mean, they missed the mark on putting out some stylized John Cena shorts for kids to wear by not giving him specialized attire.

Maluco

07-18-2017, 11:20 AM

Even coloured basketball shorts would be better and have felt in tune with his character.

Jorts aren't even optimal attire for an athlete. It's weird

Big Vic

07-18-2017, 11:23 AM

Why are we talking about jorts? Did Andre wrestle in jorts?

Destor

07-18-2017, 11:25 AM

Why are we talking about jorts? Did Andre wrestle in jorts?He wouldve if he couldve

Destor

07-20-2017, 02:26 PM

Struggling to find a round 2 for this guy btw. Besically gonna get laughed at no matter what "round 2 level guy" I pick BUT IMMA DO THIS NOW