Are Kenny Omega and Kota Ibushi RUINING wrestling?

[Triple A]

Cornette seems like a giant dickhead...

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I heard Dahmer quit eating people before he got caught. Fuck <a href="https://twitter.com/KennyOmegamanX">@KennyOmegamanX</a> . If he wants to be respected as a wrestler, too fuckin late. <a href="https://t.co/0Wo5LYXEQT">https://t.co/0Wo5LYXEQT</a></p>&mdash; Jim Cornette (@TheJimCornette) <a href="https://twitter.com/TheJimCornette/status/888051305037651968">July 20, 2017</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Makes my day a little brighter when I can remind an asshole who wrestled a blowup doll in front of fans that he sucks. Also fuck him. Thanks <a href="https://t.co/QRdrPbUbvl">https://t.co/QRdrPbUbvl</a></p>&mdash; Jim Cornette (@TheJimCornette) <a href="https://twitter.com/TheJimCornette/status/888054604088344576">July 20, 2017</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Steve Austin never blatantly shit on the sport. He was given a poor gimmick but persevered. Omega delights in being a phony videogame fuck. <a href="https://t.co/upE48ymPI4">https://t.co/upE48ymPI4</a></p>&mdash; Jim Cornette (@TheJimCornette) <a href="https://twitter.com/TheJimCornette/status/888055215563448324">July 20, 2017</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-conversation="none" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Why did you @ him? Lol Also there's been times you bring him up whenever the subject isn't even about him at times for what ever reason</p>&mdash; Adrian (@dodger84578) <a href="https://twitter.com/dodger84578/status/888058195658158080">July 20, 2017</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Because I want this dipshit to know exactly what I say about him so there's no misunderstanding. He should not be allowed in our business. <a href="https://t.co/eZXOSxX9f2">https://t.co/eZXOSxX9f2</a></p>&mdash; Jim Cornette (@TheJimCornette) <a href="https://twitter.com/TheJimCornette/status/888060263664160768">July 20, 2017</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Everyone also has a mouth to say no &amp; feet to walk out with. Omega's not even sorry he did this shit, thinks he's in a videogame. Should be. <a href="https://t.co/N8wo1rTN4u">https://t.co/N8wo1rTN4u</a></p>&mdash; Jim Cornette (@TheJimCornette) <a href="https://twitter.com/TheJimCornette/status/888062032569880577">July 20, 2017</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-conversation="none" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">He wrestled that girl at a small show that he didn't even know was being filmed, pretty sure it was an intermission exhibition also</p>&mdash; HammDogg (@DukeChastain) <a href="https://twitter.com/DukeChastain/status/888061427872927749">July 20, 2017</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Oh that explains everything! You fucking lunatic, it was a show, there were fans there. You can't weasel dickweed out of this one. <a href="https://t.co/H677A4pqFC">https://t.co/H677A4pqFC</a></p>&mdash; Jim Cornette (@TheJimCornette) <a href="https://twitter.com/TheJimCornette/status/888063423451463680">July 20, 2017</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">So you're saying <a href="https://twitter.com/KennyOmegamanX">@KennyOmegamanX</a> is such a weak, ineffective, pussy of a wrestler he physically can't make an 8 year old girl cry. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/TRUTH?src=hash">#TRUTH</a> <a href="https://t.co/ty7CLp5qQn">https://t.co/ty7CLp5qQn</a></p>&mdash; Jim Cornette (@TheJimCornette) <a href="https://twitter.com/TheJimCornette/status/888064946273124352">July 20, 2017</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I have never hidden my utter contempt for people who like &quot;goofy comedy wrestling&quot;. <a href="https://t.co/6GDkBePnYY">https://t.co/6GDkBePnYY</a></p>&mdash; Jim Cornette (@TheJimCornette) <a href="https://twitter.com/TheJimCornette/status/888066281068519425">July 20, 2017</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-conversation="none" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Fuck you. Retire. Shut up. Accept that EVERYTHING has passed you by. Stop shitting on today's talent in hopes of staying relevant. Fuck you.</p>&mdash; Aaron Knight (@bbaaronk) <a href="https://twitter.com/bbaaronk/status/888064661358247936">July 20, 2017</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Thanks for your opinion on what you know nothing about. Wrestling passed me by on it's way to rock bottom. I stayed at top. Also fuck you. <a href="https://t.co/QlUi1zQwU4">https://t.co/QlUi1zQwU4</a></p>&mdash; Jim Cornette (@TheJimCornette) <a href="https://twitter.com/TheJimCornette/status/888067326498787328">July 20, 2017</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-conversation="none" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Jim, I like you but I'm really really really looking forward to Kenny smacking the taste out of your mouth</p>&mdash; violent garden gnome (@coconono) <a href="https://twitter.com/coconono/status/888065167346544642">July 20, 2017</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Apparently you'll be waiting awhile, he can't make a little girl cry. Of all things I'm scared of, a wanna-be flippy wrestler is not one. <a href="https://t.co/vU5m1I5HOd">https://t.co/vU5m1I5HOd</a></p>&mdash; Jim Cornette (@TheJimCornette) <a href="https://twitter.com/TheJimCornette/status/888067838807871489">July 20, 2017</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-conversation="none" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">ENDLESS CANADIAN DESTROYER!! <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/DDTPro?src=hash">#DDTPro</a> <a href="https://t.co/6IrtSLPKUT">pic.twitter.com/6IrtSLPKUT</a></p>&mdash; LARIATOOOO!!! (@MrLARIATO) <a href="https://twitter.com/MrLARIATO/status/822115466466525185">January 19, 2017</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">This man just set Sapporo's gate record. Some call this amazing talent, some call it killing the business. One does not compute. <a href="https://t.co/R0HvHGWfCw">https://t.co/R0HvHGWfCw</a></p>&mdash; Dave Meltzer (@davemeltzerWON) <a href="https://twitter.com/davemeltzerWON/status/888086247977107456">July 20, 2017</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I don't really care if Adolf Hitler was an amazingly talented painter, he should get no compliments. These fucks Omega, Ibushi, same thing. <a href="https://t.co/5wlzeNAnbi">https://t.co/5wlzeNAnbi</a></p>&mdash; Jim Cornette (@TheJimCornette) <a href="https://twitter.com/TheJimCornette/status/888089909441032192">July 20, 2017</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Omega responded:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-conversation="none" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I like you, Jim, but if you want to bury me, please don't tag me in it. We just started the G1 and I can't have this polluting my TL. Thanks</p>&mdash; Kenny Omega (@KennyOmegamanX) <a href="https://twitter.com/KennyOmegamanX/status/888070673536393216">July 20, 2017</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">More of your idiot fans needed slapped down. You polluted my eyeballs w/your blowup doll match. BTW how's the lil' girl you couldn't beat? <a href="https://t.co/fNHj4jLEmx">https://t.co/fNHj4jLEmx</a></p>&mdash; Jim Cornette (@TheJimCornette) <a href="https://twitter.com/TheJimCornette/status/888072305116631040">July 20, 2017</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

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[#BROKEN Hasney]

Cornette's a little bitch dying to remain relevant.

EDIT: Oh hey, one of the Tweets pretty much said that.

I'd love Cornette to take one v-trigger that Suzuki did yesterday

[Sting Fan]

Its good to know Creature of the night is Cornette though.

[JimmyMess]

he's an angry feller.

[Vastardikai]

Omega will do one small thing just about every match I see him in that keeps it from being a classic, to me anyway.

It usually involves him looking back at the table before a big table spot.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

Omega will do one small thing just about every match I see him in that keeps it from being a classic, to me anyway.

It usually involves him looking back at the table before a big table spot.

Why wouldn't you look back at the table? You want to put your opponent through it for extra damage so of course you'd make sure they're going through it. It's not supposed to be an accident.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Honestly, Cornette is just drumming up more attention for Omega. I don't know if it's a work, but would you be surprised if it is one?

[#BROKEN Hasney]

Honestly, Cornette is just drumming up more attention for Omega. I don't know if it's a work, but would you be surprised if it is one?

I just don't care enough about Cornette to find out either way.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Fair enough. I listen to him all the time now because I find him super entertaining. But you have to take him for what he's worth.

[Destor]

The business is dieing. Shit like the blow up doll and the little girl are a part of it.


HOWEVER you cant turn back the clock. So if the market that remains is fine with 4th wall breaking slapstick then so be it. There isnt much money left to be made imo so make what you can before this thing goes belly up.

[Bad News Gertner]

Cornette is right once again

[#1-norm-fan]

What makes Cornette look like more of a dick is that Omega seems like the nicest guy ever. I've heard him respond to Cornette's hate of him a couple times and it's always him just saying he likes him and doesn't have any ill will toward him. lol

The little kid and the blowup doll things were stupid as shit. Omega says the little girl thing was meant as nothing more than entertainment for a crowd of wrestlers and their families though. If that's the case, he deserves a pass for that at least.

[Ultra Mantis]

Cornette is worst. I'm sure he'll go back to bashing Russo after this to make himself look a little less like a cunt.

[Vastardikai]

Why wouldn't you look back at the table? You want to put your opponent through it for extra damage so of course you'd make sure they're going through it. It's not supposed to be an accident.

The time it really took me out of the match was either Gotoh or Ishii, he was attempting a springboard attack into the ring. He looks back at the table to make sure 's in the right place then does the springboard, gets blasted and falls through the table.

It cut his back, but didn't really factor into the finish, as Omega went over. I was like "that was fake as shit."

I actually give Omega a pass on the blowup dolls and wrestling little girls thing in DDT, because he has progressed beyond that. But I would be wary of giving a main event push unless he changed his name.

Ibushi is worse than Omega, IMO. While Omega stopped doing stupid shit, for the most part, Ibushi is STILL DOING STUPID SHIT.

And I argue that Cornette is the most powerful man in the business. It seems every rant he goes on is newsworthy. I don't always agree with him, but if I ran a promotion, I would have him be a short term consultant, at least to learn the ropes of running a company. Raven would be my lead booker.

[slik]

This is a really dumb thing for Cornette to be worked up over.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Cornette is super over. He's doing the bit he did in 1997 on RAW that people popped for, but now is the landscape. He works angles on that show all the time. Sometimes he is retarded (such as his dedicated hatred for Omega) but fuck is he deep down likeable lol

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

What makes Cornette look like more of a dick is that Omega seems like the nicest guy ever. I've heard him respond to Cornette's hate of him a couple times and it's always him just saying he likes him and doesn't have any ill will toward him. lol

The little kid and the blowup doll things were stupid as shit. Omega says the little girl thing was meant as nothing more than entertainment for a crowd of wrestlers and their families though. If that's the case, he deserves a pass for that at least.

But what if the little girl got hurt. It's a stupid risk.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

lol my god

[drave]

But what if the little girl got hurt. It's a stupid risk.

You really are a mentally challenged twat if you think she and her family didn't give the "ok".

It was a risk everyone agreed to.Also, wrestling isn't real.

[Volare]

I wrestle kids all the time, only time I can get someone to sell a powerbomb.

[Ultra Mantis]

But what if the little girl got hurt. It's a stupid risk.

The little girl had actually wrestled for Stardom loads of times before this against adult women and never got hurt because they put her with trusted workers and practiced all the spots. The Omega match was her send off from the promotion that they booked as a "thank you" because her family wanted to focus on her education. It was an exhibition for family and friends, not an arena full of marks. It wasn't just some random 9 year old that Kenny Omega brought in and told the booker they were having a match because he wants to kill wrestling.

[James Steele]

Cornette is working his gimmick. I love his podcasts and interviews, but if you think he doesn't play up his ang batshit crazy old timer gimmick to make money you are nuts. He's made a living the past 10 years doing podcasts and shoot interviews.

I do absolutely believe that he truly hates that kind of wrestling and knows that his core audience is the ones who watch this shit, so he goes on these rants to elicit a reaction and drum up listens to the podcasts or buys for his 100th shoot video. All of this shit is a shoot turned into a worked shoot. Eventually, a 1,000 + smarks will cram into some convention hall to see a Russo vs Cornette round table and will pay to see it thinking it may actually end in blows.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

He should move on from Kenny though. There are others who have done more embarrassing things. Joey Ryan's dickspot for one.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

He should move on from Kenny though. There are others who have done more embarrassing things. Joey Ryan's dickspot for one.

You just don't get enough attention going after Joey Ryan though.

[Emperor Smeat]

No and seems like Cornette either hasn't watched some of Omega's more recent stuff or just hates comedy style wrestling and anything not classic territory style.

Also don't think this is part of some plan by Cornette to make more people to watch Omega and him just really hating the sudden popularity of Omega.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

It's a miscalc then, because I wouldn't care us much about Kenny if not for Jim haha.

[Maluco]

If it is not a work, he doesn't need to be so aggressive all the time, but stuff like this definitely contributes to how bad wrestling has gotten.

Everyone seems to have forgotten that fans want to believe. The whole suspension of belief thing seems to be a thing of the past

[Destor]

If it is not a work, he doesn't need to be so aggressive all the time, but stuff like this definitely contributes to how bad wrestling has gotten.

Everyone seems to have forgotten that fans want to believe. The whole suspension of belief thing seems to be a thing of the past

Exactly why the industry has a shelf life

[Destor]

Slouching toward Bethlehem

[Vastardikai]

Here is a hot take:

Maybe it isn't Omega and Ibushi that's ruined wrestling. Maybe it's Youtube.

Think about it. Before Youtube, you could do something incredibly stupid that exposes the business and the repercussions would likely be, you get fired from that promotion. However, you could change your look, change your gimmick, change your name, and a few months down the road, go right back to that promotion and folks wouldn't remember. Or, just go to a different territory in a different part of the country/world where people didn't see the stupid thing you did and you could rebuild yourself as a solid hand like that.

Now? You do one fucked up thing, and that's your legacy forever and ever. You have awesome matches night after night? Yeah, but here's a video of you super kicking an 8 year old and the kid not selling it from 5 years ago. One of the top draws in the world? Yeah, but here's you losing a match to an umbrella.

[James Steele]

He should move on from Kenny though. There are others who have done more embarrassing things. Joey Ryan's dickspot for one.

Don't worry. He went after Joey Ryan before and he basically disowned Cody Rhodes for taking the Dickplex.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

considering there's custom fetish videos of Finn Balor wrasslin Becky Lynch I don't think anyone has anything to really worry about with youtube ruining them.

[Sixx]

Never heard of Joey Ryan, but now that I googled him:

Sweet Tooth Music (Superkick, preceded by putting a lollipop in the opponent's mouth)

This is apparently his finisher. Wow.

[#1-norm-fan]

Listened to Jim Cornette call a Joey Ryan match for some fed during WrestleMania weekend. It was hilarious.

[Blonde Moment]

Whether you like his views or not. You have to admit that Cornette can be very entertaining

[Fignuts]

Society has shaped the current product more than anything else. We live in a fast paced world of instant gratification. The in ring product reflects that.

As far as Omega and Ibushi killing the mystique of wrestling, well you can't kill something thats already dead. It was shot in the leg during the vince steroid trial, and the rise of thevinternet finished it off for good. Instead of bitching about it and stubbornly refusing to move on, some guys have adapted to the new audience, and discovered a new way to entertain an audience. That's all comedy wrestling is to me.

I can watch a classic 70's wrestling match, a high impact NJPW main event, and DDT comedy match, and aporeciate all of them for what they are, seperately.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

I wish WWE was as good at meeting today's fast pace as some of the indy guys tbh.

[DaveWadding]

The little girl had actually wrestled for Stardom loads of times before this against adult women and never got hurt because they put her with trusted workers and practiced all the spots. The Omega match was her send off from the promotion that they booked as a "thank you" because her family wanted to focus on her education. It was an exhibition for family and friends, not an arena full of marks. It wasn't just some random 9 year old that Kenny Omega brought in and told the booker they were having a match because he wants to kill wrestling.

STD's Irish ancestors died for that 9 year old Japanese girl.

[Ultra Mantis]

STD's Irish ancestors died for that 9 year old Japanese girl.

At least she didn't make a t-shirt to rub it in.

[Maluco]

Exactly why the industry has a shelf life

That could very well be the case, but I still think there are enough fans who would willingly be invested and suspend their disbelief given the right circumstances. I think wrestling fans in general want to buy in. I knew from an early age that it wasn't real, but because it was presented as such, it allowed me to "buy in"

The average fan just wants to be sold something that doesn't insult their intelligence. Put some passion back into storylines, treat it like it's real and photos online of guys hanging out at airports together won't take me out of it.

Stuff like this does though and stuff like this does make me wonder why I watch if it's just some choreographed acrobatics...and guys like Omega and Ryan scream that in our faces. It isn't fun, it makes a mockery of the whole set up

I think Cornette is right, but Roman diving into the ambulance the other week was just as bad. There is no heat in any feuds because they are winking at us. Stop winking and and give me two guys that hate each other and a reason to care, and I am all in again.

[Vastardikai]

In the effort to keep Roman looking "Strong," they've wound up making him look at times cowardly (Leaving the Rumble under his own power after getting put through the table, only to come back later) and Stupid (what could he have possibly accomplished if he even hit what he was going for?

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

I believe in Kenny Omega more than I believe in Roman Reigns. And yet Cornette is stuck on Omega.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I just want to say that wrestling kids is fucked up. Guys get hurt off routine stuff. It's just fucking dumb and and unnecessary. That's not even going into the goofy element to it that Cornette is absolutely right about. It's just...fucking hell, if I misjudged a kick and knocked out a kid's teeth? It's like mutant shit and you could never get me to agree to it no matter how confident I was in my abilities.

That being said, Cornette's gripes with Omega do seem to go too far. He whored himself out earlier in his career and now he's at a point where he's actually do good work. He's overrated as fuck -- his facials are shit and the flippy nonsense is just exhausting without substance sometimes -- but he's definitely grown as a performer. That being said, Omega did tell those lies in ROH that didn't endear himself to Cornette. That particular rant seems less articulate than Corny's usual ones though. Was there any more context to the situation?

[Ultra Mantis]

Omega didn't even lie to ROH, they booked him for a show and he got injured. Instead of just telling them "hey my ankle is badly injured sorry I cant make the show", he also attaches a picture of a severed foot, intended for Delirious or Adam Pierce. Of course Cornette gets the email and doesn't know Kenny Omega and hates comedy so he thinks Kenny is a lying piece of shit. On the weekend of the ROH shows, Kenny accepted a MOTY award in Japan, he did absolutely nothing physical, but Cornette interprets this as "working a match" and "lying" because he would show up in Japan to accept an award but wouldn't then immediately fly over to ROH to wrestle with an ankle injury.

[Big Vic]

Remember when Cornette would break the 4th wall on Raw by going on some stupid rant that didn't really fit anywhere into the show?

[James Steele]

Remember when Cornette would break the 4th wall on Raw by going on some stupid rant that didn't really fit anywhere into the show?

They framed it like the old news editorials/his opinion is not our opinion rants on WCW during the Monday Night War, so he was doing shoot proms before they were even a thing.

[Fignuts]

I just want to say that wrestling kids is fucked up. Guys get hurt off routine stuff. It's just fucking dumb and and unnecessary. That's not even going into the goofy element to it that Cornette is absolutely right about. It's just...fucking hell, if I misjudged a kick and knocked out a kid's teeth? It's like mutant shit and you could never get me to agree to it no matter how confident I was in my abilities.

That being said, Cornette's gripes with Omega do seem to go too far. He whored himself out earlier in his career and now he's at a point where he's actually do good work. He's overrated as fuck -- his facials are shit and the flippy nonsense is just exhausting without substance sometimes -- but he's definitely grown as a performer. That being said, Omega did tell those lies in ROH that didn't endear himself to Cornette. That particular rant seems less articulate than Corny's usual ones though. Was there any more context to the situation?

How the hell did he whore himself out? He didn't do all that stuff with ddt for a paycheck. He did it becausr he enjoyed the creativity behind it. And the story behind the match with the little girl has been posted several times.

I think its also important to remember that stuff like ddt is meant for a different audience. They don't get hung up on this shit at all in japan because they just veiw wrestling differently.

If a guy can work, and he busted his ass to get there, then people don't care what he may have done in the past.

[Mr. Nerfect]

How the hell did he whore himself out? He didn't do all that stuff with ddt for a paycheck. He did it becausr he enjoyed the creativity behind it. And the story behind the match with the little girl has been posted several times.

I think its also important to remember that stuff like ddt is meant for a different audience. They don't get hung up on this shit at all in japan because they just veiw wrestling differently.

If a guy can work, and he busted his ass to get there, then people don't care what he may have done in the past.

You answered your own question in there, haha.