WWE Battleground ***Official Thread***

[Droford]

Rusev should just set fire to the US Flag so its impossible for Cena to win and get ultra heel heat

[DAMN iNATOR]

(Insert number here) minutes of dead air would be more exciting than this shit.

[GD]

Cena's sneakers.

[slik]

this USA vs (insert foreign country here) gimmick is so old in wrestling

It's been done to death...and I feel like that's what Jinder vs Orton is to

[Anybody Thrilla]

It's been done to death...and I feel like that's what Jinder vs Orton is to

And sorta AJ v. Owens too

[DAMN iNATOR]

Shame on Cena, desecrating the 🇧🇬 flag like that...SMH...

[Emperor Smeat]

Only thing that might make this match interesting is if Rusev and Cena have a stick fight with the flags.

[owenbrown]

Rusev should just set fire to the US Flag so its impossible for Cena to win and get ultra heel heat

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/700

[GD]

Cena is talking a bit loudly.

[Evil Vito]

JBL saying this is one of "Cena's most important matches" is just obnoxious. I mean I get that he has to sell the match to me but don't insult my intelligence man.

[DAMN iNATOR]

Now letting American flag hit the ground too...for shame.

[Droford]

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/700

Yeah but this is sports entertainment..

[Shisen Kopf]

Feel like this match could be a Senator Kid Rock video

[Lock Jaw]

I like the LED ramp effect........

[Evil Vito]

This match would've been more entertaining if the object was to shove the flag up your opponent's ass.

[Emperor Smeat]

Stage would have looked a lot better if WWE didn't half-ass the flag visuals for this match. Either someone forgot to light up half the ramp or WWE was that lazy with this match.

[Anybody Thrilla]

This match would've been more entertaining if the object was to shove the flag up your opponent's ass.

:lol::lol::lol:

[Evil Vito]

Here comes Rusev getting AA'ed

[Lock Jaw]

This match would've been more entertaining if the object was to shove the flag up your opponent's ass.

http://wetalkwrestling.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/Batista-La-Resistance.jpg

[owenbrown]

goddammit

[Droford]

Stage would have looked a lot better if WWE didn't half-ass the flag visuals for this match. Either someone forgot to light up half the ramp or WWE was that lazy with this match.
The other half is the bulgarian flag

[DAMN iNATOR]

I like the LED ramp effect........

True, but why does the Bulgarian side not have white/green/red flag pattern on the floor? Biased-ass BS...

[RP]

ughhhhhhhhhh not todayyyyyyyyyyyy

[owenbrown]

here comes Super Cena

[owenbrown]

shit piss fuck cunt cocksucker motherfucker and tits

[DAMN iNATOR]

Gay.

[owenbrown]

SHoNWwhzh3M

[Lock Jaw]

Better match then I was expecting. Rusev got a lot more offense and came closer to winning than I thought he would.

[slik]

It was a good match even still tho

[Lock Jaw]

Bring on the Fashion Police now

[Evil Vito]

Underrated wrestling trope: the person who sets up the table is the one who ends up going through it

[DAMN iNATOR]

http://pa1.narvii.com/5727/8bfe321c42fde6b235d96fbac563bed03879ae4c_hq.gif

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Will Cena ever bore of beating Rusev?

[Emperor Smeat]

So far just the tag match was the only really good thing from this ppv. Everything else was either bad or had terrible endings.

[KIRA]

I'm betting vince masturbates to big sweaty men in US flag tights

Which is probably why Big E is gonna be champ one day soon

[Droford]

R Truth is out there

[Emperor Smeat]

:lol:

[KIRA]

FABREEZE here to save the show

[rez]

PPV still going, huh?

damn good ep of GoT. wowowow

[KIRA]

Ascension have fallen so far

[Evil Vito]

Oh come on

[Lock Jaw]

oh no

Fandango kidnapped

I bet #1-wwf-fan is behind this

[rez]

Who were the perps against fabreeze?

[Evil Vito]

I'm thinking Breezango's attackers might be Harper and Rowan. Kinda regressive to put them back together but there don't appear to be any apparent plans for either of them as singles guys, and they could be built to viable challengers for New Day fairly quickly.

[DAMN iNATOR]

Time to feel ❤:love:THE POWER OF LOVE!!!:love:❤

[slik]

The Power Of Love

[DAMN iNATOR]

The Power Of Love

Huey Lewis, like myself, watching this match with interest...not sure about The News, but I assume they are too.

[DAMN iNATOR]

Stupid commentators crapping on a beautiful, romantic moment...:nono:

[DAMN iNATOR]

They are not a modern-day Hallmark card...they are the best thing since The Hallmark CHANNEL!

[Droford]

Modern day Rusev and Lana

[DAMN iNATOR]

Don't usually care for JBL, but he's the only one who gets it, it seems.

[Emperor Smeat]

Are Maria's boots supposed to be a lot taller but for some reason she wants to wear them low?

Seems way too wrinkly to be the actual shoe design.

[Lock Jaw]

Hurray at Sami Zayn winning. Unexpected!

[Lock Jaw]

Are Maria's boots supposed to be a lot taller but for some reason she wants to wear them low?

Seems way too wrinkly to be the actual shoe design.

I dunno, I didn't notice her boots.

[Emperor Smeat]

:y: Sami won

[Anybody Thrilla]

Pretty gnarly Helluva Kick.

[DAMN iNATOR]

Well, fuck, another quick departure from TPWW Survivor...

[Triple A]

This PPV seems like it has been pretty bad so far imo, but can't tell if I am just not in the mood to watch wrestling or if that is really the case.

The last few PPVs have been pretty good... but this one seems bad. Lots of "basic ass" matches.

[Lock Jaw]

Punjabi Prison lowering music reminds me of some music from some other movie/tv show or something..... can't think of what/where......

[KIRA]

I dindt think it was possible for WWE DVD sales to tank anymore but this HBK movie may actually sell 0 copies

[Triple A]

Repeatedly saying the word "structures"

[Tom Guycott]

Fashionably late...

Wish they would have Aiden English sing a different song instead of the same exact one every time...

He could sing "Misunderstood" or "With My Baby Tonight". :shifty:

[Lock Jaw]

Be interesting to hear how the fans react to this match I guess

[Droford]

Be interesting to hear how the fans react to this match I guess

They wont even be able to see anything

[Lock Jaw]

Yeah, uh, uh, huh, huh......

[KIRA]

Ok so there is nothing ominous about this cage other than the doors open and then close and don't open back up

OOOOO scary

[RP]

To save money, Jinder's Titon Tron video will only be turned on when he begins to walk to the ring.

[Anybody Thrilla]

Jinder's theme song is fuckin boss :y:

[DAMN iNATOR]

Ok so there is nothing ominous about this cage other than the doors open and then close and don't open back up

OOOOO scary

Supposedly the reinforced bamboo is supposed to be wicked sharp and painful but dunno...:-\ Also, I guess it's supposed to add suspense or something to close each gate for good once the 1 minute expires, plus the stop that if all 4 close, BOTH cages have to be climbed...still seems pretty anti-climactic, IMHO.

[KIRA]

YEAH! THE MAHARAJA IS HERE!

[Lock Jaw]

Ok so there is nothing ominous about this cage other than the doors open and then close and don't open back up

OOOOO scary

did you miss the part about STEEL REINFORCED BAMBOO?!!

[Emperor Smeat]

This PPV seems like it has been pretty bad so far imo, but can't tell if I am just not in the mood to watch wrestling or if that is really the case.

The last few PPVs have been pretty good... but this one seems bad. Lots of "basic ass" matches.

Think its been the case with most Smackdown exclusive ppvs since the new brand split. They've done a better job building their ppvs but RAW had more that felt or flowed better.

[slik]

Punjabi Prison 'for sightlines'

[slik]

This PPV seems like it has been pretty bad so far imo, but can't tell if I am just not in the mood to watch wrestling or if that is really the case.

The last few PPVs have been pretty good... but this one seems bad. Lots of "basic ass" matches.


It honestly hasn't been very good. I didn't have a lot of expectations for it but it really hasn't surpassed low expectations. It's been kind of boring overall, outside of a few matches.

[Droford]

Ok so there is nothing ominous about this cage other than the doors open and then close and don't open back up

OOOOO scary

It should be filled with rats and snakes

[KIRA]

Supposedly the reinforced bamboo is supposed to be wicked sharp and painful but dunno...:-\

Which means nothing when there is 0 chance either one of them will be impaled or maimed in any way

[Droford]

You have to climb out JBL

[Lock Jaw]

I hope Jinder Mahal's brother-in-law The Great Khali interferes, climbing up to the top of the cage and jumping off with a giant chop

[KIRA]

It should be filled with rats and snakes

It should be filled with water moccasins and glass.

[Savio]

Rooting for Jinder.

[Tom Guycott]

Still "bewildered" at why the Germans get the ringside spot and not any of the other languages.......

Well, ever since they bombed Pearl Harbor, they've gotten a bit pushy and demanding.

[Emperor Smeat]

This might be one of the rare times where having nose bleed seats is a lot better than ringside or lower level seats because of the Punjabi Prison.

[Lock Jaw]

Randy Orton camouflaging with the bamboo

[Emperor Smeat]

WWE should play the Rumble buzzer sound when the door timer expires.

[Savio]

Was the first Punjabi Prison match actually made out of bamboo?

[Tom Guycott]

http://i.imgur.com/5LEyUsW.gif

Wrong roster. Titus O'Neil and Akira Tozawa are on RAW.

[Droford]

So all 4 doors are gonna get locked and theyll have to climb over 2 cages

[GD]

Kinder' butt

[rez]

I wouldn't be surprised if the reinforced bamboo isn't pvc pipe. fuck you, vince

[rez]

and rubber bands

[DAMN iNATOR]

Which means nothing when there is 0 chance either one of them will be impaled or maimed in any way

We don't know if that's the case, though..."anything can happen" or whatever.

[slik]

Jinder is going to hinder Orton from escaping from that door

[rez]

kind of reminds me of discovery zone as a young'n

[Lock Jaw]

Why would anyone ever call for the door unless they are literally right in front of it, ready to escape?

[Droford]

rofl

[RP]

Looked like a stunner to me

[slik]

this match sucks

[Tom Guycott]

Did Renee just spoil the Cena/Rusev finish? "The time is now" interesting choice of words.

I'm pretty sure it was spoiled at the time of its booking.

Remember, "It's automatic I win this" are lyrics to his theme.

This is very similar to the Sean Bean thing: is it really a spoiler to mention he dies in whatever you're watching?

[Lock Jaw]

Why did the Singh Bros wait until Orton knocked Jinder off the cage before taking Orton?

[RP]

Singh bro's were probably under the ring the entire PPV smoking pot and drinking beers.

[Triple A]

the word "structure" will have been said ~350 times after this match is over

[KIRA]

Mahal is the greatest

[Lock Jaw]

When did Orton get the tattoo under his pec/nipple

[Emperor Smeat]

Would have been funny if those sticks Jinder grabbed were from the cage itself.

[Droford]

There should be a secret tunnel under the ring

Jinder crawls under, lights go out, a few seconds later they come on and hes outside

[slik]

I hope this is a reminder why they should never have this stipulation for another 10 years...or ever.

[RP]

that was a slippery Singh

[Droford]

Welll you can climb through the holes..

[Lock Jaw]

Seems like Orton could just go through the cage like that too......

[KIRA]

Damn Singh Bros are tiny as hell

[KIRA]

where is other brother

[Lock Jaw]

Damn Singh Bros are tiny as hell

And you can't teach that

[Droford]

That looked like he caught the edge of the table right in the middle of the back before the table collapsed

[RP]

That was a terrible miss.

[Emperor Smeat]

Ouch at Randy's bloody arm

[Lock Jaw]

That side of the "outer structure" is right up against the barricade..... should climb up that side and jump down into the fans

[Emperor Smeat]

Should have been a bamboo chair that Randy pulled out to keep with the theme of this match

[Tom Guycott]

Singh bro's were probably under the ring the entire PPV smoking pot and drinking beers.

"Rolling fatties, smoking blunts. Who smokes the blunts? We smoke the blunts!"

[Droford]

LOL

[DAMN iNATOR]

LOLWTF :lol:

[RP]

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[DAMN iNATOR]

Khali should put Orton in the Khali Vise Grip submission.

[KIRA]

Khali

[Emperor Smeat]

:lol: they actually brought back Khali

[slik]

WTF Khali LOL this show is a train wreck

[owenbrown]

KHALI!

[Tom Guycott]

Ouch at Randy's bloody arm

Karo syrup and food coloring. WWE can't afford real blood. Gotta tighten that belt.

[Lock Jaw]

Nice of Khali to help his brother-in-law

[KIRA]

Vince is an asshole making Khali climb anything

[Theo Dious]

WAHAHAHAHA

[Lock Jaw]

Ha ha at Khali ripping the title away from Jinder to hold it up

[Droford]

Kahli didnt get to chop anyone

[Lock Jaw]

I wonder if they will mention that Khali is his brother-in-law (storyline-wise)

[Emperor Smeat]

:y: The Maharaja wins.

:mad: this terrible feud isn't going to end.

[Droford]

:y: The Maharaja wins.

:mad: this terrible feud isn't going to end.

Its over.

Its time for Jinder for Cena

[owenbrown]

https://www.teachingquality.org/sites/default/files/users/user261/Oddsmakers.jpg

chances Jinder loses to LOLCENAWINS at SummerSlam?

[DAMN iNATOR]

I guess Mahal must've really found a way to curry Khali's favor.

Puns - I've got them!

[Anybody Thrilla]

Tag match was great. They probably could have wrapped it up after that.

[Savio]

They brought Jerry in because they don't want the fans to miss "Talking Smack"

[DAMN iNATOR]

https://www.teachingquality.org/sites/default/files/users/user261/Oddsmakers.jpg

chances Jinder loses to LOLCENAWINS at SummerSlam?

That can only be answered by #STEINERMATH.

[Emperor Smeat]

Its over.

Its time for Jinder for Cena

Orton still has beef with Jinder because of Khali. Sure it probably won't last till SummerSlam which is a bright side.

Then again a possible Khali-Orton feud would be even worse for quality.

[Lock Jaw]

They brought Jerry in because they don't want the fans to miss "Talking Smack"

Hearing Kevin Owens talk makes me miss "Talking Smack"

[#1-norm-fan]

oh no

Fandango kidnapped

I bet #1-wwf-fan is behind this

Why DON'T I have chloroform.

[DaveWadding]

Owens/Renee for the US title. Book it.

[DAMN iNATOR]

Renee should've just told K.O. to go fuck himself.

[Lock Jaw]

I will miss seeing Kevin Owens/Renee Young interactions more often on weekly Talking Smack.......

[Evil Vito]

For those of you playing at home, this would be like if, when JBL and Eddie Guerrero had their barbed wire cage match, Eddie fought off JBL and The Bashams for 20 minutes only to lose when Sgt. Slaughter put him in the Cobra Clutch.

[Bad News Gertner]

Pretty pumped that the Great Khali is back

[Simple Fan]

Watched Styles/Owens and the main event. Both were good and I didn't expect the outcome from either. Great Kahali was a good surprise as well. Thought the Styles/Owens finish was weak but that feud is probably not over.

[rez]

main event def wasn't as bad as it could have been.

i didn't watch most of i but i give it a 7 based on being the PPV for the #1 show + going against the greatest TV show (GoT) since Full House.

[rez]

Nevermind. I just found out AJ lost. I give it a 5

[Anybody Thrilla]

Watched Styles/Owens and the main event. Both were good and I didn't expect the outcome from either. Great Kahali was a good surprise as well. Thought the Styles/Owens finish was weak but that feud is probably not over.

Watch the tag match. Seriously.

[DAMN iNATOR]

I'd give tonight's show a C-. Very lackluster overall.

[DAMN iNATOR]

That fall from the prison through that table was BRUTAL.

[slik]

KO was good on Talking Smack. Renee was also good.

[DAMN iNATOR]

Dammit...now thanks to Renee, I want to learn Punjabi profanity. :shifty:

[Lock Jaw]

Ok, time to go watch Game of Thrones......

[slik]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="ht" dir="ltr">Dear <a href="https://twitter.com/SinghBrosWWE">@SinghBrosWWE</a>,<br><br>Bye-bye.<br><br>- <a href="https://twitter.com/RandyOrton">@RandyOrton</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/WWEBattleground?src=hash">#WWEBattleground</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/WWEChampionship?src=hash">#WWEChampionship</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/PunjabiPrison?src=hash">#PunjabiPrison</a> <a href="https://t.co/9IoLgN4xeI">pic.twitter.com/9IoLgN4xeI</a></p>&mdash; WWE (@WWE) <a href="https://twitter.com/WWE/status/889320087768883200">July 24, 2017</a></blockquote>
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[slik]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DFd6tHbXsAYmFPn.jpg

[Theo Dious]

Watch the tag match. Seriously.

Best of the night. Great pacing and execution.

[Vastardikai]

Hey, New Day vs. Jinder and Singhs is that much closer to happening.

[BigCrippyZ]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DFd6tHbXsAYmFPn.jpg

Were people supposed to actually be able to see what was happening in this match?

[Volare]

Hey, New Day vs. Jinder and Singhs is that much closer to happening.

Remember back in the day tag teams would get involves in singles' title programs? Or at least have a storyline for a week or two that involved a good match with a dusty finish for the heel, which triggered a clusterfuck after the bell with the babyfaces going over.

[SenatorJPO]

the word "structure" will have been said ~350 times after this match is over

It's because WWE fans need "structure."

WWE is pandering to a crowd whose entire childhoods and early-adult years were meticulously planned, in 15-minute segments in their "daily planner."

[Mr. Nerfect]

The WWE delivers another amazing PPV. I mean, maybe not amazing in the same way that the smarks want, but the business model has changed, people:

* The New Day vs. The Usos I do have to complain about first. The match just went too long and tried to outshine the other stuff on the show. If they were the main event, this would have been fine, but they got too show-offy.

* Baron Corbin vs. Shinsuke Nakamura was a brilliant stroke of booking. See, they've put this gold star next to Corbin's name, so he can put talent over constantly while holding the briefcase. The DQ ending makes you want to see another match between these two. It wouldn't surprise me if something was on the line for that one...

* Natalya is a great wrestler, so it is good to see her get her due. Naomi is a good babyface and Nattie is the best heel she's got. Your move to try and keep up with them, RAW.

* Kevin Owens winning the US Title back keeps this back and forth with the championship going, which is for the best. You've got a nice long classic heel reign in the main event, so the other belts moving around keeps things exciting on the undercard. It wouldn't surprise me if we see another title change very soon.

* John Cena as the American hero vanquishing the evil foreign threat is classic storytelling. Rusev can now move into a story against Shane while Cena potentially moves into US Title contention.

* It's great to see the new talent from Japan doing the time-honored tradition of losing their first huge match. Sami Zayn definitely needed the win.

* Mahal is such a great WWE Champion. I know a few people complained that they couldn't see the match, but that's great heat. Bringing back Khali and the Punjabi Prison is retro too. Some people will bitch about how Khali and the Prison were hoohah the first time, but they happened so long ago that they are basically classic nows. I just hope Ricardo Rodriguez becomes Jinder Mahal's personal ring announcer.

[Sixx]

This "Orton screwed by Jinder" thing is getting old.

After it was reported Khali arrived in Philly it was way too obvious what's gonna happen.

Guess the internet is to blame for that, but even if it wasn't for that, you just knew Jinder would cheat his way too win yet again.

[screech]

I enjoyed the show.

But flag matches are fucking dumb.

[drave]

But the flags were on a pole man!

[Sixx]

I'm a Pole, man!

[Fignuts]

This PPV was the drizzling shits

[Vastardikai]

Remember back in the day tag teams would get involves in singles' title programs? Or at least have a storyline for a week or two that involved a good match with a dusty finish for the heel, which triggered a clusterfuck after the bell with the babyfaces going over.

Part of the inspiration. The other part being it being an interesting way to put the World title on Big E.

[Gerard]

The guy that can barely walk and was nothing but an uncoordinated comedy act for the last year of his last contract they apparently sign to a new contract......

[Big Vic]

Awesome he should be digging holes and taking souls in no time.

[Sixx]

The guy that can barely walk and was nothing but an uncoordinated comedy act for the last year of his last contract they apparently sign to a new contract......

Who?

[Lock Jaw]

I think Noid's post may have been a bit sarcastic. Not sure.

[slik]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">For everyone asking, this is what a $600 ticket gets you when you're blessed with the Punjabi Prison for the main event. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/WWEBattleground?src=hash">#WWEBattleground</a> <a href="https://t.co/uLM6Gaq2JO">pic.twitter.com/uLM6Gaq2JO</a></p>&mdash; From The Top Rope (@FromTheTop) <a href="https://twitter.com/FromTheTop/status/889315826771341312">July 24, 2017</a></blockquote>
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[Big Vic]

I think Noid's post may have been a bit sarcastic. Not sure.

Why? He was spot on about everything?

[Shisen Kopf]

Pretty pumped that the Great Khali is back

Great Khali is an all time great. Just like Great Balls of Fire was an all time great ppv

[slik]

Great Khali of Fire is a better name than SummerSlam IMO

[Destor]

Really hope the finish to the main pulls Orton from Jinder. He's got good heat but Orton bores me to tears.

[owenbrown]

I think Noid's post may have been a bit sarcastic. Not sure.

Why? He was spot on about everything?

Or The Cynick hacked Noid's account :-\

[Shisen Kopf]

Randy Orton needs to start acting real wild and crazy. Then he can be rebranded as Randy Savage, oh wait.

[OwenHartFan]

WWE's only hope of garnering any significant interest amongst non-smarks is to re-unite The Shield and push them hard as fuck.

[Destor]

Yeah casuals fucking love the shield...huge hit for FX. Not sure if Michael Chiklis would want to work for the WWF though

[Anybody Thrilla]

I did end up watching the Destruction of the Shield collection on the Network after I watched Battleground last night for some reason.

[Sixx]

WWE's only hope of garnering any significant interest amongst non-smarks is to re-unite The Shield and push them hard as fuck.

If you want to garner interest amongst "non-smarks" you bring back Hulk Hogan and have him wrestle Adele.

[Big Vic]

Hmmm the object of the flag match was to take the flag from a very visible front and center spot and put it in a vertical stand in a less visible spot.

[Shisen Kopf]

I thought the ppv was really, really good. 4.5/7. It wasnt perfect bc Khali of Greatness didn't do a Swanton bomb off the Punjabi Prison

[Volare]

Kinda wish we could switch title storylines, AJ vs Mahal and (Assuming soon) Cena vs KO. Face of America Owens can go line for line with Cena, and honestly I think AJ/Mahal would be a better match going 15-20.

[Cool King]

After it was reported Khali arrived in Philly it was way too obvious what's gonna happen.

I didn't even know it was reported that Khali was in Philly, so I would have been surprised to see him if YouTube didn't alert me on my phone that the WWE uploaded this video.

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[Cool King]

The weird thing is, is that YouTube never sends me alerts on my phone. This was the very first time it happened and it just had to be a spoiler.

[Big Vic]

Eh, I wouldn't subscribe to them.
The weird thing is, is that YouTube never sends me alerts on my phone. This was the very first time it happened and it just had to be a spoiler.
Oh that's odd.

[DAMN iNATOR]

I thought the ppv was really, really good. 4.5/7. It wasnt perfect bc Khali of Greatness didn't do a Swanton bomb off the Punjabi Prison

Should've put Khaki on RAW last month and just named their last PPV Great Khali of Fire.

Anyway, watched W³'s Review and he gave it a B+. Why? I really don't understand the overwhelming positive responses that some had to the show. It had it's good moments, but the only 2 matches I'd qualify as good or great were of course the tag team championship match and English v. Dillinger. The rest was just uninspired. I know right after the show, I said I gave it a 'C-', but on further thinking, that's too generous. It was the worst WWE PPV of the year, and possibly in several years at that. I'm revising my grade to a 'D' for the "battleground" this shitshow put my eyes, ears and brain cells through. What an absolute load of putrid garbage.