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Get's released in 90 minutes i believe. I might binge it even though I'm not a fan of Luke Cage of Iron Fist. I hope The Punisher has a decent role in this.
Lock Jaw
08-17-2017, 11:23 PM
I don't believe Punisher is in it at all.
Destor
08-18-2017, 12:06 AM
I think Punisher is just a guest spot like Kingpin was in S2 of DD
Lock Jaw
08-18-2017, 12:17 AM
He was in the trailer.
Oh, ok..... must be in one I didn't see.... I know one trailer came out today or something but I didn't watch it because I figured it is almost out anyways
Ruien
08-18-2017, 12:17 AM
Don't fuck with RP's dream.
Kalyx triaD
08-18-2017, 03:55 AM
Netflix is refusing to update.
Kalyx triaD
08-18-2017, 04:25 AM
Let's do this.
It's up now but i'm tired and going to sleep for a minute.
First two episodes were good. Intrigued by Sigourney Weaver's villain so far. DareDevil/Jessica Jones/Luke Cage currently outshining Iron Fist in first two eps IMO.
ok i'm awake again. I'm gonna watch it.
Blonde Moment
08-18-2017, 07:25 AM
Sigourney Weaver
Just started the 3rd. Is it me or does she give the vibe of being far older than she appears?
My favorite part of episode 4 is when they all break the fourth wall, look into the camera and tell Fastway to shut the fuck up.
Kalyx triaD
08-18-2017, 10:44 PM
Done. And wow.
- While I likened this to be the Netflix heroes big Avengers team up it's really closer to their own Infinity War. I did not expect basically all the of each heroes supporting characters to appear so often. It was really a melding of everything so far complete with mixed interactions between... almost everybody. They did a good job getting as many match-ups on screen as possible. Just a great pay off, and I haven't felt this electric since the first Avengers in terms of '_____ is talking to _____, fuck this is really happening!'
- Getting to see what the deal is with the Hand was great. They go waaaaaaay back and reveal the MCU is even weirder than we already seen on the street. And I find this as their own Godzilla threshold of sorts: When you have a blind fighting machine, a bullet proof man, and kung-fu glowy fist dude, and a chick with bad manners fighting a bunch of semi-immortal ninjas within the fossils of eternal life giving dragon bones - yeah, perhaps we will see Misty Knight get her famous arm. Things the Netflix heroes seemed too grounded to tackle is pretty much open book and I think things are gonna get even more 'Marvel' for them.
- Big swerve with Elektra getting back her memories, but now being the Hand's own Captain America of sorts, her freedom boils down to being a supervillain anyway. I'm pretty sure she dragged Matt out from the pit so she's out there, and nobody on screen was able to beat her clean.
- Daredevil cashes in all his martyr coins with this one, being one of the two characters so close to this. His arc reverts to the dilemma from DD S2, and seemed to end the only way a hero like him probably ends. Like other 'dark heroes' there's no actual arch villain per se, but a death wish manifest as vigilance. I remember a Batman line from a comic where he kinda admits that eventually some lucky punk will get lucky and catch him slipping, and that's really what he's waiting for. Eventually Matt was gonna do his thing until he gets killed. His interaction with Foggy and Karen was similar to drug addiction, and Matt not coming back after Foggy allowed him one more hit was heavy.
- Danny Rand infects this series with his unbelievably bratty attitude, only this time the other characters are much more observant and critical of it - which turns his character from icky writing to an intended character flaw. His arc was super important plotwise but the kicker here is DD most likely gave him the push to take his actions further. I expected him to wear the bandanna mask like DD to both get his attire started and to honor him but nooooooooo. Also expected him to finally power up the other fist but nooooooo. You are insufferable Danny. But at least he got to show some better moves and much better directed fight scenes than his own show. And holy shit taking on the other Defenders, the balls on this kid.
- Long live Stick. We all love you.
- Luke Cage probably has the most reason to retire altogether, but Shades and Mariah are still out there and ex-cons don't get jobs easily. He's gonna need to get Hired for something. I enjoyed that he actually wasn't the usual powerhouse of the team, but rather the Vision/Manhunter role of even temperament, wisdom, and being the soul of the group. He didn't really have inner demons and such so he got to be Danny's big bro. His interactions with Jessica seemed tragic to me in that I don't think he explicitly told her about him and Claire. And it seems there's still something there, too.
- And on Jessica who predictably plays the smartass one-liner factory of the team. Her slow turn from 'whatevs' to taking this very seriously harkens back to her complete avoidance of being a superhero. She had good screentime with Matt that while not flirty, surely looked like they 'vibe' well. They both also have a things for actual businesses that help people so they could... network, I guess.
- Colleen is a huge unsung show stealer again and if I had it my way, I'd get her and soon-to-be bionic Misty on their own adventures. She got to wrap up her beef with her master but she's still ex-Hand and I doubt the rest of the cult will just up and forget about her betrayal or any other nefarious business. Surprised she didn't take one of those rare swords.
- Madame Gao got all of her fucking cred back after the near burial she got in Iron Fist. She's magic palming the shit out of everything and even demoted to mini-boss is better than her last outting. She may have accepted the end during the collapse but she also magic palms shit so I dunno. And also she may still have business as an Iron Fist villain later.
- Alexandra own's mortality crystalizes the big weakness of the Hand: These ancient, powerful people brought down cities, murdered maybe millions over time, all based on the very simple fear of death. Alexandra wasn't talking world domination, that puts the Avengers on her ass. She already had wealth and influence. What she lacked was time. It was her personal health that hastened the mining of the dragon stuff, and maybe the cause of every other fallen city - they just kept replenishing. As far back as DD S1 we see the hand bullying Kingpin to secure that specific spot where the pit was located. It seems they would have saved it for future use, but Alexandra was on the clock. Her big mistake was activating the Black Sky using a body with too much baggage to control. Otherwise she'd win, though after the fact I'd bet the other bosses had enough of her shit. Would have liked to see more action with her, tho.
- This series was great and to be honest, I think 8 is the right number. 13 episodes requires some really knaff filler c-plots that has consistently led to weird shit.
Destor
08-18-2017, 11:51 PM
On ep.5
Great so far
Destor
08-19-2017, 03:05 AM
Finished. Stellar. Reallyt really great.
really hope we skip IFS2 and LCS2 and go strsight into Heroes for Hire. Cage/Iron Fist/Colleen/Misty would make a fun series. Jones can cameo (i think her show has the most corssover appeal to non fans.)
Just starting this. No idea why Cage is in jail cause i couldnt finish that series.
So Punisher doesn't even cameo? Sad.
Episode 3 of The Defenders is so good. Business has picked up!
I think I prefer this camaraderie to The Avengers. It feels more natural, if that makes sense in a series about people with unnatural abilities.
Taking a break halfway thru episode 5. Alexandra has cool shawls.
I thought Alexandra was getting awfully monologue-y and confident. So Electra is the real big bad of the show.
Only two episodes left!
I thought Alexandra was getting awfully monologue-y and confident. So Electra is the real big bad of the show.
Only two episodes left!
Same here. Two left.
Lock Jaw
08-23-2017, 02:48 PM
Just finished it up. Was alright, but not great. I like where it leaves things for everybody, though.
El Vaquero de Infierno
08-23-2017, 04:56 PM
I finished it today and I did not think it matched any of the Daredevil seasons or Jessica Jones or Luke Cage. I did prefer the 8 episode season length, though; they should perhaps follow suit for the next lot of series, or not go beyond 10 episodes.
Destor
08-23-2017, 05:04 PM
I think an arbitrary no. of eps is bad. If you have 10 eps worth of story shoot 10 eps. Simple.
I'm through 6 episodes. Like it a lit so far.
Rammsteinmad
08-24-2017, 04:04 PM
Currently on episode five. "The scarf looked better. Nice ears"... "They're horns"... haha lol'd so much at that one.
Rammsteinmad
08-24-2017, 04:17 PM
How does Matt not feel like a knob standing around in his outfit while everyone else is in casual streetwear?
Kalyx triaD
08-24-2017, 04:18 PM
Most the other Defenders have a really hard time keeping their friends safe.
Blonde Moment
08-24-2017, 10:31 PM
No steamy sex scenes this time around.
Interesting
Destor
08-24-2017, 10:53 PM
How does Matt not feel like a knob standing around in his outfit while everyone else is in casual streetwear?
Hes the only one with an alter ego to protect though
Kalyx triaD
08-25-2017, 12:28 AM
No steamy sex scenes this time around.
Interesting
Luke piped Claire down.
Blonde Moment
08-25-2017, 04:27 AM
I thought he was checking the plumbing
mhirn3
09-27-2017, 02:41 AM
How does Matt not feel like a knob standing around in his outfit while everyone else is in casual streetwear?
I thought that too but then I realized he's blind and doesn't know otherwise.
Tom Guycott
09-27-2017, 03:02 AM
How does Matt not feel like a knob standing around in his outfit while everyone else is in casual streetwear?
I thought that too but then I realized he's blind and doesn't know otherwise.
Kinda reminds me of Twisted Toyfare Theatre, though... the running bit with Daredevil was that he NEVER took the costume off, but put his lawyer suit on over it, and since he couldn't see, seemed to assume no one else could see the mask.
Also, he did a lot of things that required eyesight. Like played poker.
Tom Guycott
09-27-2017, 03:06 AM
Hes the only one with an alter ego to protect though
Not only this, but it is established to not just be a disguise, but armor as well. Luke doesn't *need* armor. Jessica has bitched from day one about not wanting to do the "superhero thing" again, and then you have Dimbulb Rand, who introduces himself to everyone anyway, so an outfit isn't exactly going to help.
Kalyx triaD
09-27-2017, 07:01 PM
"Hello, I'm Clark Kent of the Daily Planet. I'm hoping I can get an interview about the crime wave in Hell's Kitchen and the vigilantes in the center of it?"
"That'd be fine."
"Thanks, and you ar-"
"I'm the Iron Fist."
"One of the vigilantes in-"
"I'm sworn to defeat the Hand."
"I don't know if you wanna let everybody..."
"My friend is Daredevil."
You can really see just how immature Danny is when he's in this group
Also Matt is a fucking idiot.
El Vaquero de Infierno
10-01-2017, 05:09 PM
Nah, even in the Iron Fist series, Danny was a petulant whiney arse; I think I only watched the whole series because the woman that plays Colleen Wing is hot.
Destor
10-01-2017, 05:17 PM
I had no issue with danny rands portrayal. The action was lacking but that was my only gripe...
I had no issue with danny rands portrayal. The action was lacking but that was my only gripe...
I had way less of a problem with him on the team than I did on his solo show. I'm just saying this show managed to make him stand out as "The Kid of the group" It works he plays off Luke Cage really,really well. They managed to leave in everything I hate about Danny and not make me want to kill him.
I'm actually glad they left him alone his lines come off as more corny to the rest of the group and its great. He's still rock stupid and I still think they couldve replaced him with a potted plant but I enjoyed it.
Sure there wernt many fight scenes but the one at the end just felt long and tiring (like everybody was getting tired fighting)
If Matt didnt have such a massive boner/lost lenore issue with Electra that would've solved almost all of their big problems or at least avoided escalating things.
Kalyx triaD
10-01-2017, 06:15 PM
I mean damn that's his bae, dawg
I mean damn that's his bae, dawg
I always get mad when somebody can't bring themselves to re kill their loved ones
Because I'm like y'know pretty sure I'd just go ahead and kill them I mean its not really them anymore anyway Just kill them its not hard.
Kalyx triaD
10-02-2017, 07:24 AM
I severely doubt you would actually consider it so easy.
Tom Guycott
10-02-2017, 08:00 AM
I had no issue with danny rands portrayal. The action was lacking but that was my only gripe...
My problem with Danny isn't so much his "whiny kid", it just kinda seems like they didn't spend as much time with his "he is how he is because..." like they did with the other three.
Kalyx triaD
10-02-2017, 09:06 PM
Yeah we very briefly get hints of his actual life in the mountains. Probably because that would be a costly production compared to other flashbacks.
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