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RP
09-06-2017, 08:01 AM
The women's division was red hot coming off WrestleMania and since then the WWE has pretty much done nothing right aside from letting Alexa Bliss carry the title.

Women need their own program on WWE Network. Ffs why is this so hard? Why cant they get this done? If they still want some women matches or feuds on Smackdown or Raw, thats fine, but fucking hell... They're Charlotte Flair has went from one of the top heels in the entire business ( not just female ), to sitting on the bench and watching Lana wrestle. Becky Lynch is doing nothing except getting entrance pops. They dont have enough time to completely get Tamina over on Smackdown so it's basically going nowhere. Every PPV is either a bunch of women on the bench with no match or matches with 4v4 or 5v5 gimmicks. You got loads of talent and if they just combine them and give them their own show and let them have actual feuds and character development, people will watch.

Instead WWE for some inexplicable reason took Charlotte off RAW and then benched her on Smackdown. And continues to appear to be killing the womens division.

It's fucking dumb. Whats the point of WWE Network if you cant do this?

Give me a 1 hour show, once a week and 2 womens PPV's. Is this fucking that much to ask?

Destor
09-06-2017, 09:24 AM
That wouldnt draw. Im not sure why you keep thinking thats the solution.

Big Vic
09-06-2017, 10:00 AM
One show (Raw or SDL) should have the womens division the other show should have the Tag team division.

Destor
09-06-2017, 10:10 AM
Segregating the woman I think is bad...makes them a gimmick. While they totally are in all practical sense it sends a pretty bad message.

Schlomey
09-06-2017, 10:45 AM
Charlotte took time off to be with her dad in the hospital..I really wouldn't call her benched.

Rammsteinmad
09-06-2017, 11:24 AM
The women already have their own show, it's called Total Divas.

Nicky Fives
09-06-2017, 12:21 PM
The women already have their own show, it's called Total Divas.

And unfortunately, that shit draws better than a weekly "wrestling" show ever would....

Big Vic
09-06-2017, 12:30 PM
Raw should just be a behind the scenes 3 hour drama of the wrestling industry.

Big Vic
09-06-2017, 12:31 PM
Save the actual wrestling for "Main Event" and "Superstars"

The Midnight Gertner
09-06-2017, 01:10 PM
Nobody gives a shit about women's wrestling, despite what the WWE is trying to force

Ruien
09-06-2017, 01:18 PM
Ya..... as much as... Ya no. Women wrestling sucks. I don't mind a 5 to 10 minute match for a break/look at Sasha but otherwise meh.

Stickman
09-06-2017, 01:37 PM
I am not really sure how to get the women to succeed. Their own show sounds good on paper but I don't know if it would work. NXT and 205 is only available on the network so unless you have it, you aren't watching. If you are a casual fan you aren't getting hooked. I think if they were to decide on a women's show they should take 205s post smackdown spot or film it before or after NXT. They can't sell out arenas without piggybacking on another entity.

Raw and Smackdown are very unwatchable right now with all the commercials and mid match commercials. They have a huge roster so everyone is finding a hard time getting air time, not just the women. I think they are having a hard time maki feuds with such a deep roster, if you only have time for 1 womens match they need to make it mean something.

What I feel is a big problem that it seems nobody is addressing is the complete waste of time they have on the shows. Promos, backstaage skits are fine, but they waste so much time on entrances now more than ever before. It seems like everyone wants an undertaker entrance. Balor, Nakamura, Roode to name a few. Then the in ring introductions, then the match starts, time for a commerical. Once all that is done, we have what seems to be longer matches every single match than before. So all that added up, where do the women find the time to have fueds, build a character and show their stuff?

If they streamline these things they can make women red hot again.

Lock Jaw
09-06-2017, 01:42 PM
Nobody gives a shit about women's wrestling, despite what the WWE is trying to force

I give a s***....... sometimes lately I care more about it than I do the men stuff.......

Though RAW division has become "bad".....

The Midnight Gertner
09-06-2017, 03:01 PM
Just show your tits and get on with it

Big Vic
09-06-2017, 03:06 PM
Are you saying that to Lock Jaw or?

Cool King
09-06-2017, 03:06 PM
Just show your tits and get on with it

#thingsyousaywhenyouwatchporn

Emeye
09-06-2017, 03:36 PM
I don't see the women's division being deep enough, despite it being better than it's been since the days of Lita, Trish, etc (interest wise. Talent wise it is possibly the best WWE has ever had). The problem is that even with the roster split, the brands are still so deep. There are a handful of main eventers will fighting over the Universal, WWE, Intercontinental, and United States Championships, along with a very deep Tag Team division, and the lower card & Cruiserweight/205 superstars.

I thought things were going great with the Women's Division when Charlotte and Sasha were battling it out. HIAC, Ironman, and Main Event matches, unpredictability with the title changes, and the all around quality of the matches. The reason it worked so well is because they had two women who could put on good matches and draw interest and they had the majority of the focus on those two so they were able to do something they hadn't done in years - Build an actual storyline.

The Charlotte/Sasha feud was before the brand split. I think the brand split and addition of the SDLive Women's Title could actually be just what the division needs if booked right. If they just had the 2 or 3 best women (in ring performers who can draw and cut half decent promos) on each show fight for the brand's title over a good enough period of time to build a storyline with history and a back-story between the 2 or 3 women, and they delivered matches that were the caliber of Sasha and Charlotte's, they could definitely rejuvenate the division.

I haven't been following the program enough to know what women are on what show, but the way I see it, you have Charlotte, Sasha, Alexa Bliss, Becky Lynch, Bayley, and Nia Jax as women who can put on a good match, talk, and draw. Seeing the title on people like Naomi and Natalya just seems pointless to me. They are not going to get people interested. Other than the 6 I mentioned (like I said I'm not sure who is on what show, but if they have a Superstar Shake Up put 3 on each show) the rest of the division should just have one match between 2 of them every week and see if any get over. I could see a Mickie James or possibly a Lana getting over. I just can't see people getting pumped to see Naomi and Natalya, even if given time to build a feud and a back-story, in an Ironman match like Charlotte and Sasha.

My point is, nobody is going to get excited to see Emma, Naomi, Natty, The Bellas, Tamina, or any of the other women in a program. They were able to capture lightning in a bottle with Sasha/Charlotte. Split the Alexa Bliss, Charlotte, Sasha Banks, Becky Lynch, Nia Jax, and Bayley up to where 3 are on each show, and build a program with them. Every week or every other week have the other girls rotate one on one matches, see who gets a reaction, and if somebody like a Mickie James starts getting crowd reactions, make them the 4th in the title scene on their show. Two heels, two faces, two feuds. Tag team matches, pass the title around between them occasionally.

I just think there are two many women that are just flat out dull, and it's damn near impossible to get a women's feud really over nowadays, but it has been done recently. Despite their in-ring ability, who really wants to see Naomi and Natty in the title picture? Come on ... Maryse interests me more in her promos with Miz then "The Glow".

#1-wwf-fan
09-06-2017, 03:52 PM
WWE making Sasha vs Charlotte the main event of a big event was fucking stupid. All it did was tell everyone "We don't care about making these things climactic anymore because we don't have to get people to pay for them". That, and the entire women's division, is a perfect example of WWE trying to make something important just by claiming its important. They didn't wanna actually put the work into building a match that genuinely deserved to headline. They would rather just have it headline and act like it meant something which is completely counterproductive.

#1-wwf-fan
09-06-2017, 04:00 PM
The only way to fix it is to just... book it well, make the characters compelling and the matches meaningful. They can't do that with the men though so I wouldn't expect them to do that with the much smaller women's division.

Destor
09-06-2017, 04:02 PM
Tell a big enough lie often enough and people will believe it

Big Vic
09-06-2017, 04:08 PM
Lets not pretend Main events are sacred when John Cena vs John Laryngitis had one a few years ago.

Also with the amount of interfering in Seth vs KO it was the best choice to go on last.

#1-wwf-fan
09-06-2017, 04:26 PM
Cena vs Laraunaitis was a main event storyline with the heel authority figure's job on the line. It was miles ahead of two women fighting a match that's "super important because we're saying it is".

And I don't remember the amount of interference in Seth vs Owens but I don't see how that's relevant. It was the match between two main eventers for the main event title. It was the main event. The women's match was not built to make sense as a main event. It was built as good as most women's matches. It was midcard appeal thrown into the main event scene to force a "revolution".

In a world where WWE isn't trying to force this "women's revolution" thing and they still have PPV to sell, it has ZERO chance of headlining a PPV.

Emperor Smeat
09-06-2017, 04:29 PM
Last thing they need right now is another show and hour or two added to the already bloated weekly schedule.

WWE's biggest problem is they don't want to learn from NXT on how to handle and build their main divisions for the long term. RAW is mostly just champion vs challenger du jour as the main focus while Smackdown has done a better job but has way too many meaingless multi-women matches.

There is a rumor going around the net speculating recent months being terrible might be due to WWE going back to the Total Divas cycle. Those on the show suddenly got more tv time than usual while those not on the show got pushed to the side. Nikki Bella recently ranting on the lack of respect for Total Divas and not having the same status as NXT for impact on Women's wrestling could have played a role as well.

Big Vic
09-06-2017, 04:53 PM
Sasha vs Char had a lot of build up as well.

Seth vs KO was all about hey lets put it in the cell to prevent interference from Jericho. Then half the match is a 2 on 1 handicap match.

#1-wwf-fan
09-06-2017, 05:02 PM
The build was basically "these two women have a history from NXT". That's not enough to make it main event. There have been better built women's matches before and since and no one has thought for a second "Why didn't that headline?" There's a reason for that.

And again, I don't see what the interference has to do with anything. "Amount of interference" isn't really a thing that is ever looked at for what should main event. It WAS the main event storyline on the show. For the main event title. A heel won via shady purposes. It doesn't make it a mid-card match.

#1-wwf-fan
09-06-2017, 05:08 PM
Hell, Reigns vs Rusev would have made more sense as a main event since Reigns was at least kinda being pushed as a legit main eventer still. But there wasn't a "big buys with beards revolution" reach for publicity going on so it didn't.

Big Vic
09-06-2017, 05:09 PM
Because ending a PPV for 2 months in a row the same way isn't probably the best idea. Especially when this month part of the reason for inclusion of the cell (Besides the PPV being named that) was to keep all interference out, Jericho in particular.

Big Vic
09-06-2017, 05:10 PM
But there wasn't a "big buys with beards revolution" reach for publicity going on so it didn't.

KO and Rollins main evented the month before..

#1-wwf-fan
09-06-2017, 05:13 PM
It's not a great idea. It happens though. That's more on WWE's inability to come up with creative finishes. It hasn't stopped them from putting the actual main event last before though. And it wasn't the reason they did it this time. They did it because they wanted to force the women's revolution as something important before actually MAKING it something important.

#BROKEN Hasney
09-06-2017, 05:14 PM
I have no probleknwith Charlotte and Sasha main eventing a PPV for a title. It had as much build as any other Universal title match.

Hell, with the holder of the belt being a part timer anyway, it should be happening more often.

#1-wwf-fan
09-06-2017, 05:15 PM
KO and Rollins main evented the month before..

As it probably should have. Because it was the main event. Not because of some forced "revolution".

DAMN iNATOR
09-06-2017, 05:19 PM
Maybe experiment with bringing back the Women's tag division and/or even an Inter-Gender Division. If you use both and they work out well, assuming both divisions have championships, you've then got something for the women not in Women's title feuds or other storyline to shoot for with potentially multiple options.

Only problem is, both shows are already way too bloated with championships, and the only quasi-solution I could think of is allowing for whoever is IG Champion to be a free agent capable of defending on either show while giving both brands a set of Women's tag titles.

Dunno...definitely a very much far from perfect solution, but it's all I can think of outside of getting people who can actually write and book the women competently. RAW in particular seems to have been sorely lacking in that department in recent months.

#BROKEN Hasney
09-06-2017, 05:20 PM
As it probably should have. Because it was the main event. Not because of some forced "revolution".

HHH's indie revolution

#1-wwf-fan
09-06-2017, 05:20 PM
If we get to a point where something like Sasha vs. Charlotte is the best choice for PPV main events... just shut it down. Wrestling is done.

#BROKEN Hasney
09-06-2017, 05:21 PM
If we get to a point where something like Sasha vs. Charlotte is the best choice for PPV main events... just shut it down. Wrestling is done.

I'd have taken it over Reigns and Taker. Maybe they should have stopped all wrestling after that one.

#1-wwf-fan
09-06-2017, 05:23 PM
HHH's indie revolution

That could be why they had the title and were in the main event picture. But they DID have the title. And they WERE in the main event picture. So, for better or worse, they should main event.

Unless Lesnar or Taker or Goldberg or someone like that is on the card. Unfortunately they weren't, so Owens and Rollins were the "stars" of the show.

#1-wwf-fan
09-06-2017, 05:26 PM
I'd have taken it over Reigns and Taker. Maybe they should have stopped all wrestling after that one.

I don't believe you actually think that Roman Reigns vs The Undertaker should have happened, Taker should have put his coat and hat in the middle of the ring signifying his retirement and then they should have been like "Alright, folks. Now it's time for our main event! Sasha vs Charlotte..."

#BROKEN Hasney
09-06-2017, 05:33 PM
I don't believe you actually think that Roman Reigns vs The Undertaker should have happened, Taker should have put his coat and hat in the middle of the ring signifying his retirement and then they should have been like "Alright, folks. Now it's time for our main event! Sasha vs Charlotte..."

No, I think the Undertaker/Reigns match should never have happened and wish Undertaker retired after the "bad but not as bad as the next 3 matches" loss to Brock. I dont really think Charlotte/Sasha should have main evented above other matches on that card, but I'd have taken the cruiserweight title match over Reigns/Taker.

So is this just a Charlotte/Sasha thing, or just women in general? Because with the title not being on every PPV and the IC title being a bigger joke, I have no issues with the women's title ending shows.

And if Asuka went to Smackdown and had title matches against Nattie and Becky Lynch, they should easily go above any title match Jinder Mahal is involved in.

#1-wwf-fan
09-06-2017, 05:37 PM
No, I'm sure it's POSSIBLE to build a women's title match to actually headline a PPV and make sense. But that wasn't it. It was clearly just them claiming the women's revolution was successful because they main evented as opposed to actually putting in the effort to build a women's match that was legit main event material.

owenbrown
09-06-2017, 05:38 PM
Just show your tits and get on with it

Don't think WWE is going to be on HBO or Cinemax anytime soon :shifty:

#BROKEN Hasney
09-06-2017, 05:44 PM
No, I'm sure it's possible to build a women's title match to actually headline a PPV and make sense. But that wasn't it. It was clearly just them claiming the women's revolution was successful because they main evented as opposed to actually putting in the effort to build a women's match that was legit main event material.

Fair, but when I look at that Hell in Cell 2016 card and remember just how terrible Raw was, nothing had a good build. I think it was a good PPV to have them headline just because everything around them was garbage anyway.

But you're right about it only being to stroke their ego over a "successful revolution". If they just booked it without bullshit like that ever being mentioned, I think a lot more people would have found it easier to swallow. Especially with that card.

#1-wwf-fan
09-06-2017, 05:45 PM
And if Asuka went to Smackdown and had title matches against Nattie and Becky Lynch, they should easily go above any title match Jinder Mahal is involved in.

Assuming they book her right and she's the same Asuka.

And they build up someone else to look strong for her to face.

#BROKEN Hasney
09-06-2017, 05:48 PM
Assuming they book her right and she's the same Asuka.

And they build up someone else to look strong for her to face.

Not really. Even living off past glory, they can go above a jobber hotshotted to a meaningless brass ring. suka can be an evil foreigner too if it helps.

#1-wwf-fan
09-06-2017, 05:52 PM
Let's see if you feel the same way when Asuka is losing a 5 minute match on Smackdown to set up a PPV match.

#BROKEN Hasney
09-06-2017, 05:54 PM
Isn't that just WWE though? The current WWE champions match prior to becoming number 1 contender in a battle royal was a loss to Mojo Rawley. I don't think logical things happening on WWE TV are going to happen regardless.

Whatever the main event is, I just assume it will have a shit build by default.

#1-wwf-fan
09-06-2017, 05:57 PM
It will. But at that point, the main event story with the main event title gets the main event spot by default. I think you underestimate just how quickly they can ruin Asuka's credibility and make her just another woman on the roster.

#BROKEN Hasney
09-06-2017, 06:00 PM
I dont underestimate that at all. I just want my faves on top if everything is going to be shit regardless.

Either Sami Zayn V Asuka for the undisputed title, or Breezango/Usos/New Day TLC match main event.

Emperor Smeat
09-06-2017, 06:00 PM
If we get to a point where something like Sasha vs. Charlotte is the best choice for PPV main events... just shut it down. Wrestling is done.
To be fair a bit, the feud had the strongest build going into the Cell and Vince supposedly pulling a late tantrum on not wanting it as the main event did a lot to damage its momentum.

That's when the Reigns-Rusev feud suddenly got the preferential treatment and Mick Foley doing damage control by claiming fans can consider any ppv match as their personal main event without it needing to be last.

Fignuts
09-06-2017, 06:38 PM
I dont underestimate that at all. I just want my faves on top if everything is going to be shit regardless.

Either Sami Zayn V Asuka for the undisputed title, or Breezango/Usos/New Day TLC match main event.

Feel like at this point it's more believable for asuka to be fighting dudes, than for any of the women to offer a legit challenge.

Hell, she went one on one with Minoru Suzuki. She could take Sami Zayn no problem.

Lock Jaw
09-06-2017, 06:50 PM
I know I was a lot more invested in Charlotte/Sasha than I was in Seth Rollins/Kevin Owens. (Super invested in Chris Jericho, though)

The Midnight Gertner
09-06-2017, 10:58 PM
Are you saying that to Lock Jaw or?

Both

TSI
09-06-2017, 11:05 PM
The only way to fix it is to just... book it well, make the characters compelling and the matches meaningful. They can't do that with the men though so I wouldn't expect them to do that with the much smaller women's division.

nailed it.

The Midnight Gertner
09-07-2017, 02:18 AM
You know what's the problem with women's wrestling: their gait

Fignuts
09-07-2017, 04:42 AM
Need to make it like classic AJW where the girls were butch as fuck, but could believably fight a tank.

Leave all the pretty girls for after party entertainment.

RP
09-07-2017, 05:03 AM
I dont see an issue just giving them a 1 hour show so they can build more storylines and character development. Seems like a no brainer.

#BROKEN Hasney
09-07-2017, 06:04 AM
I dont see an issue just giving them a 1 hour show so they can build more storylines and character development. Seems like a no brainer.

By cause they're not doing that on 205 Live very well and barely anyone is watching.

Benny Lava
09-07-2017, 07:00 AM
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DaveWadding
09-07-2017, 02:12 PM
I still think that the first hour of RAW should be dedicated solely to the women, then have the Cruisers strictly on 205 after SD

Or do the inverse and have the Cruisers on RAW and then the girls on the Network on Tuesdays. But I think they need to push the girls harder and have them on RAW.