Hell in a Cell 2017 Discussion

[GD]

Whoa! That was insane.

[Savio]

At least they are doing something with Sami Zayn!

True. Maybe he and KO will end up like Dean/Seth and do some mutual fisting.

[Evil Vito]

Loved that ending

[Locke]

Seems good that JBL was not on this broadcast that's good

[Triple A]

that was cool...

+ glad they are actually doing something interesting with Sami Zayn

[Lock Jaw]

Wonder if Shane's "faith" will get shaken any due to him always saying a prayer before jumping off tall things, and always seeming to miss........ existential crisis would be a good angle.......

[DaveWadding]

Whoa! That was inZayn.

[Theo Dious]

THAT WAS AMAZING AND ONLY A FAGGOT WOULD THINK OTHERWISE

[Lock Jaw]

Sami Zayn has snapped!! Remains to be seen if he will become a badass submission machine or not.

[Savio]

Where's Daniel? :(

[DAMN iNATOR]

A few great matches tonight...a few MEH and WTF ones too...would give the show a 'C-' overall.

[Evil Vito]

Sami can do something detestable for the right reasons and he's still loveable. He's like the embodiment of the Mark Twain quote, "Who prays for Satan? Who in eighteen centuries, has had the common humanity to pray for the one sinner that needed it most" Even though KO is the most detestable monster on Smackdown, he didn't deserve Shane's death penalty.

[rez]

mmm Rennnnneeee

[Dark One]

Really excited for the "Sami Zayn has battered spouse syndrome" storyline.

[Lock Jaw]

Was thinking about Sami Zayn maybe as Jinder Mahal's next opponent but I guess that isn't happening.

[Anybody Thrilla]

That sort of ending is why I would hate to know spoilers.

[Evil Vito]

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Bet Rosenberg's happier to be sitting alongside Renee Young instead of this dude and his epic rants.

[DAMN iNATOR]

AJ Styles - Phenomenal wrestler, judge of PPV quality? Not so much.

[Jordan]

Hey boys, should I watch this show? The main is already spoiled for me but whatever... I'm gonna watch that regardless, but should I go for the undercard too?

[rockman725]

Much better PPV than their last solo one, Battleground. Outside of a couple of snoozers, the event as a whole was pretty good.

I had thought about the slight possibility of Sami getting involved after Shane brushed him off on SD, but in the end, figured that would be a great idea so naturally, it wouldn't happen. Glad they did it.

[slik]

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[Triple A]

Hey boys, should I watch this show? The main is already spoiled for me but whatever... I'm gonna watch that regardless, but should I go for the undercard too?

Just watch the 2 hell in a cell matches

Every other match was bad or very basic and skippable imo

[slik]

WWE has had 3 memorable "B" shows now since summer:

Great Balls Of Fire
No Mercy
Hell In A Cell


TLC looks like it will be good

[Destor]

For a show that commanded about 35% of my attention i enjoyed it

[slik]

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[Lock Jaw]

Hey boys, should I watch this show? The main is already spoiled for me but whatever... I'm gonna watch that regardless, but should I go for the undercard too?

I enjoyed tag team HiaC, and the women........

[Mr. Nerfect]

I wish I had posted this, because no one is going to believe me, but I half-anticipated the Sami Zayn heel turn, lol. I figured "it kind of doesn't make sense for Sami Zayn to not be here," but it also didn't make sense for him to help Shane. I'm "surprised" they actually did it though.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Zayn will get to speak now and he will be great as the spoiled indy talent that hasn't had the main roster career he envisioned for himself.

[Jordan]

Just watch the 2 hell in a cell matches

Every other match was bad or very basic and skippable imo

Oh damn I just watched the main event. Wow, really good. What a bump and what a save by Sami. Great main event on a PPV for sure, probably Shane's best match aside from WM with AJ and KOTR with Kurt, as far as I can remember. I bet a Shane/Brock program would still be pretty good after all.

[Jordan]

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Hahaha

[Jordan]

It's funny that Shane is bigger than most of the guys on the roster.

[Jordan]

That bump was really sick. That's gonna be the one I remember. That bump was up there with Foley.

[Jordan]

I'm gonna watch the whole show. Pretty sure Nakamura won't win the title because nobody is jizzing all over about it.

[Jordan]

Pretty cool rock opening theme song. what did Flo Rida up his price?

[Jordan]

Good for New Day, just on the whole gimmick getting so over for so long, it's pretty cool.

[Jordan]

LOL "IT HAS BEGUN"

[Jordan]

This kendo stick shit is fucking stupid.

[Tom Guycott]

Shelton's mom should return and turn heel on Mojo

You know I had to go to the Google machine, because I thought Thea Vidale had died?

[Tom Guycott]

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Seems like it would have been better karmically if this happened to Sheamus instead...

[slik]

You know I had to go to the Google machine, because I thought Thea Vidale had died?

I remember her ABC sitcom!

[slik]

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[slik]

First sitcom to star an African American stand-up female comedian ^

[slik]

Damn, she is not TV-PG!


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[Mr. Nerfect]

Seems like it would have been better karmically if this happened to Sheamus instead...

You'd think that, but I actually think that might help Cesaro's career. If that's a trade-off he's happy making, haha.

[Jordan]

US Title match wasn't bad.

[Tom Guycott]

I remember her ABC sitcom!

I vaugely did, too. I remembered enough that she had one. And she was on Comic View for a bit as a co-host of sorts.

But I guess her dying was one of those internet hoax things. Or I confused her with someone else. Either way, it was a bit after the whole "Shelton's mom" thing was over that I somehow was under the impression she was no longer amongst the living.

[Fignuts]

I'm not sure this is a heel turn for Zayn. Could be the start of one, but I think this is more a case of "As much as I hate Kevin Owens now, we were still best friends our whole lives, and I don't want to see him die."

[Mr. Nerfect]

I definitely assumed that this would be a heel turn, but if they did something slow, where they pretended they were not actually in cahoots, but always seemed to "help" each other, it could certainly be interesting storytelling.

Probably just better to have Zayn out-and-out heel though.

[#1-norm-fan]

Nakamura beat Orton and Cena so they could build him up to lose clean to Jinder Mahal.

[Fignuts]

Feel like his facial expressions back up my theory. He didn't look super confident in what he was doing. Looked desperate and reluctant.

[#1-norm-fan]

Just gonna post that once in a while until it sinks in how quickly they've fucked him up.

Also to temper everyone's expectations for Asuka on the main roster.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Yeah, I'm nervous for Asuka. Like, do people expect her to be booked...consistently? I dunno. And how many times can you see Asuka vs. Emma before that gets boring?

[Mr. Nerfect]

Nakamura beat Orton and Cena so they could build him up to lose clean to Jinder Mahal.

Sarcastic CyNoid Mode: But now the casual fan knows that Nakamura can beat Cena and Orton. That Jinder Mahal can beat Nakamura just means that Mahal > Nakamura > Orton/Cena. It's great storytelling, and no amount of losses will ever be able to take away from what Nakamura has already achieved in the WWE.

In fact, they could probably have Nakamura lose to more people and make lots of stars. They can always just rebuild Nakamura by saying "He's beaten both John Cena and Randy Orton." That means more than the WWE Title ever could.

[Big Vic]

But Orton beat Jinder on a random SDL match.

[Destor]

Nakamura beat Orton and Cena so they could build him up to lose clean to Jinder Mahal.
Not sure what's wrong about that. You build a challenger up no matter the blow off. Should champions only beat opponents that lack credibility?

[Evil Vito]

The only thing stopping me from assuming the Jinder as WWE champion experiment is going to carry on til WM is the fact that Lesnar's clearly gonna hold the Universal Title until then as well and I'm not sure they'll go that long without switching one of the belts.

[Gerard]

Damn, she is not TV-PG!


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Just as well most tv shows are in widescreen these days.

[slik]

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[slik]

The only thing stopping me from assuming the Jinder as WWE champion experiment is going to carry on til WM is the fact that Lesnar's clearly gonna hold the Universal Title until then as well and I'm not sure they'll go that long without switching one of the belts.

A former WWE writer I follow on Twitter has indicated he has heard Jinder is keeping the belt to WM, same for Brock.

[Evil Vito]

Welp, there goes any interest I had in the next 6 months of programming.

[slik]

Welp, there goes any interest I had in the next 6 months of programming.

WM34: The coronation of Roman beating Brock and Cena beating Jinder :lol::'(:shifty::eek::yes::nono::fu::wave:

[Anybody Thrilla]

Feel like his facial expressions back up my theory. He didn't look super confident in what he was doing. Looked desperate and reluctant.

I'd almost be with you if he didn't make it a point to throw KO on top of Shane for the cover.

[Simple Fan]

I thought it was a pretty good show. Tag team cell match was great and the main event was fine for what it was. I really liked Jinder vs Nakamura match and actually enjoy Mahal in the ring. He's smart and powerful which is all he needs to be. If only he had not been rushed to the title scene I'd be fine with him. Just don't think WWE has used Shinsuke right in my opinion, talking with that mouth piece is stupid. Don't agree with the US Championship changing hands but I'd imagine AJ will have it back soon.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

WWE has gone out of their way to make Shinsuke just another guy, probably not on purpose though lol

[Big Vic]

I'd like to see Big E take the title off Jinder.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

They have no idea what they have with Big E. Guy is a fucking star.

[Evil Vito]

Was nice of them to claim a sellout crowd despite showing a half empty arena.

https://i.imgur.com/QB0uPQi.jpg

[#1-norm-fan]

Not sure what's wrong about that. You build a challenger up no matter the blow off. Should champions only beat opponents that lack credibility?

The problem is that he's Nakamura... and he's losing clean to Jinder Mahal.

[#1-norm-fan]

WWE has gone out of their way to make Shinsuke just another guy, probably not on purpose though lol

It's insane how quickly and effectively they managed to kill the guy's aura.

[#1-norm-fan]

One year ago, saying "Nakamura will be on the main roster in a year jobbing clean to Jinder Mahal" would just be something crazy you say to exaggerate how badly WWE ruins everything.

[Big Vic]

Jinder was totally off television until it came to having backstage skits with Rusev.

[Lock Jaw]

Trying to think of who Jinder Mahal's next opponent will be..... Is he just gonna fight Nakamura again? Feud feels kind of "done" and "lost" by Nakamura.

I would have suggested Sami Zayn as his next opponent, but I guess that isn't going to happen now.

AJ Styles is probably going to be involved with Corbin and the US Title for another month or two.

Bobby Roode seems like he is still going to involved with Ziggler for at least another match.

Randy Orton just came off a long never-ending feud with Jinder.....

Who is left?

[Big Vic]

Big E.

[Destor]

The problem is that he's Nakamura... and he's losing clean to Jinder Mahal.I dont follow

[Destor]

Ohhhhhh. You're saing Nakamura matters...ok. Well he doesnt.

[Big Vic]

Shane is the Top babyface maybe he will challenge Jinder.

[#1-norm-fan]

Destor in SUPER CONTROVERSIAL MODE, guys.

[Anybody Thrilla]

They have no idea what they have with Big E. Guy is a fucking star.

They did put the NXT title on him, so they probably realize SOMETHING.

[Destor]

Destor in SUPER CONTROVERSIAL MODE, guys.
SKINSKE IS THE NEW HULK HOGAN HE ShOULLD NEVER JOB

[Jordan]

Big E. should be crowned champ by slaughtering Jinder at WM. Big E. is THE MAN.

[#1-norm-fan]

Where's Noid to call a strawman when you need him, Goddammit.

He has way more patience with that shit than I do.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

Just got done with Usos V New Day. Good god, that might be my favourite HIAC where they don't leave. It was brutal and uncomfortable in spots and that Woods fighting spirit near the end was fantastic. That fucking headbutt.

[Destor]

Just got done with Usos V New Day. Good god, that might be my favourite HIAC where they don't leave. It was brutal and uncomfortable in spots and that Woods fighting spirit near the end was fantastic. That fucking headbutt.
Match of the night imo. Jinder/Shinske @no.2

[Lock Jaw]

Member when Big E did have a big singles push in WWE too and was either IC or US Champion?

And everyone here was all "Uggh Big E Langston sucks"

[#BROKEN Hasney]

Match of the night imo. Jinder/Shinske @no.2

Not worked my way through yet, just got done with that. But I assumed it was since nothing was going to top that.

I'm glad Xavier has had more of a chance to shine recently. He's a decent wrestler and athlete, not the best in the world, but he's fantastic at adding those little details that can elevate a spot to something memorable with just the right facial or reaction. The desperation handcuffed save where he just collapses on top of Big E, getting in the face of the trapped Uso behind bamboo. Just little things that can elevate a moment.

Member when Big E did have a big singles push in WWE too and was either IC or US Champion?

And everyone here was all "Uggh Big E Langston sucks"

Because he had no character. People would be much more on board now.

[Sepholio]

I fully support Big E being champion. He has the looks, the charisma and the talent.

I have this theory that Jinder being champion is WWE trying to make sure everyone "knows" RAW is the superior brand. I remember all the talk about Smackdown being the A show over RAW so I assume that is a common sentiment in the IWC. At the time, Jinder was on RAW, nobody liked him, and he was jobbing like Jinder does. Then suddenly he gets traded to Smackdown and wins the title within a few weeks and becomes unstoppable. The simple breakdown ends up being RAW jobber is better than everyone on Smackdown, RAW is clearly the superior product!

Obviously it had something to do with them trying to push into the Indian market as well, but I honestly think a lot of it was to make Smackdown look weaker than RAW.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Where's Noid to call a strawman when you need him, Goddammit.

He has way more patience with that shit than I do.

He prefers being referred to as his moniker, Braun Strawman.

[Jordan]

Just got done with Usos V New Day. Good god, that might be my favourite HIAC where they don't leave. It was brutal and uncomfortable in spots and that Woods fighting spirit near the end was fantastic. That fucking headbutt.

Dang I totally disagree... I watched this show very late last night but since that match was first I wasn't very tired and was "into it". I just thought that match was to Shane/Owens as a slap is to a knock out punch. Grown ass men fighting with thin bamboo sheets taped together....:n::n: But they did do some good work in the match, however the whole concept of most of the match the worked totally stretched my suspension of disbelief.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Member when Big E did have a big singles push in WWE too and was either IC or US Champion?

And everyone here was all "Uggh Big E Langston sucks"

Yeah he was still pretty green and bland at that point. Totally different guy now. Would have to re jig his fun explosiveness into a singles style.

[Ruien]

I'd like to see Big E take the title off Jinder.

I want Heath Slater to do it.

[Sepholio]

Nah dude, give it to Big E and then have 3MB reunite to take on New Day over the tag titles and world title.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

Dang I totally disagree... I watched this show very late last night but since that match was first I wasn't very tired and was "into it". I just thought that match was to Shane/Owens as a slap is to a knock out punch. Grown ass men fighting with thin bamboo sheets taped together....:n::n: But they did do some good work in the match, however the whole concept of most of the match the worked totally stretched my suspension of disbelief.

Legit want you to take some of the shots Xavier did. I have and there's some give and flex which makes it "safe" in terms of serious injury, but it's still like being whipped with a belt. Probably hurt more than most of the other shit they did in the match bar that suicide dive doomsday. Not sure if it was supposed to be to the left a little to hit the chain, but it looked like Big E went head first into something more solid.

Also, they should have never replayed the thrown chair so I could pretend it was Sabu.

[Lock Jaw]

Yeah he was still pretty green and bland at that point. Totally different guy now. Would have to re jig his fun explosiveness into a singles style.

Member the last big "explosive power wrestler" in a three man team who people wanted to see break out into a big singles star?


Actually worked out pretty well for him.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

Member the last big "explosive power wrestler" in a three man team who people wanted to see break out into a big singles star?


Actually worked out pretty well for him.

And Big E could probably even pick up the Undertaker if he wanted!

[Gerard]

Was nice of them to claim a sellout crowd despite showing a half empty arena.

https://i.imgur.com/QB0uPQi.jpg

WWE are experts at selling out arenas and making attendance records that couldn't physically fit into the building!

[Evil Vito]

I really hope they aren't making Survivor Series a Raw vs. SmackDown themed event again, or at least not a main event that necessitates putting all programs on hold so that everybody can fight in brand-colored T-shirts.

SmackDown's would depend on where they go from here with the story but Owens and Zayn heading up the heel team would make sense with guys like Styles and Orton available for the face side. I think they could come up with something compelling.

Raw's could be something like Braun, Miz, Wyatt, Sheamus, and Cesaro vs. Joe, Balor, and The Shield

I'd much rather that than see a mishmash of those guys on the same team because "brand pride".

[Anybody Thrilla]

If you didn't dig that tag match last night, wrestling just may not be for you.

[Evil Vito]

Usos and New Day have been killing it for months. Feel like the feud will continue to Survivor Series as well since there was another title change and they're not exactly trying to build up any other team on the blue brand.

Thought the Usos were the most boring thing ever until their heel turn, and they've just been amazing for the better part of a year now.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

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Jesus at how close that was.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Member the last big "explosive power wrestler" in a three man team who people wanted to see break out into a big singles star?


Actually worked out pretty well for him.

Big E is way more fun and better on the mic with more connection w the audience while being nowhere as protected as Roman. Youre just being a hater.

[Anybody Thrilla]

As long as he doesn't overdo that preacher voice.

[Evil Vito]

AWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW ANYBODY THRILLA! DON'T YOU DARE BE SOUR!

[Lock Jaw]

Big E is way more fun and better on the mic with more connection w the audience while being nowhere as protected as Roman. Youre just being a hater.

Just stirring the pot, my man

[#BROKEN Hasney]

... Can my second favourite match be Fashion Files?

[Evil Vito]

As much as I love the Fashion Files, it feels like there's never going to be any real payoff to any of it.

[Destor]

As much as I love the Fashion Files, it feels like there's never going to be any real payoff to any of it.
What would the pay of be, in your mind?

[Cool King]

• Match of the Night has to be Usos/New Day. I was growing really tired of The New Day but that match seems to have got me interested in them again and The Usos were yet again top-notch.

Before their heel turn just over a year ago, I was growing tired of them just like I was with The New Day but since then, I've loved The Usos and everything they've done has been nothing short of golden.

I'm so glad they're Tag Team Champions. They should never lose those championships.

• Rusev loses again. I didn't see that one coming.

I actually did.
• Fuck Baron Corbin.

• Not much to say about the Charlotte/Natalya match other than I get the feeling that we'll eventually see them fight over the title in a Submission Match. Most likely at Survivor Series.

Also, I may be wrong, but it does certainly feel like that Charlotte has done nothing but cry since turning face in May. She's reminding me of The Big Show back between 2011 and 2013.

• I still can't get into Nakamura. I've tried and I just can't. Sorry.

Mahal retaining and in the manner he did it is all good with me. I'm just trying to think who his next opponent will be. My first thought is Orton but he's not long had a shot but this is the WWE we're talking about so it probably will be Orton.

• There wasn't really anything special with Roode/Ziggler if I'm honest. I knew Ziggler's entrance would be nothing and I do like the idea of Ziggler being no flash and all business. Hopefully we won't even get the beginning of his theme when he makes his way to the ring. It'll just be Ziggler, no music, no flashiness and just a spotlight until he gets to the mats.

As for Roode, he's going the way of Nakamura for me as I'm struggling to find him interesting. I find myself agreeing with Ziggler's claim that Roode is "just an entrance" because to me, at the moment, he is just an entrance and it seems like I'm not the only one that agrees, judging by the crowds during his matches.

His entrance pretty much blows the roof off with everyone on their feet and joining in with saying "glorious" and singing along and sticking their arms out, but during his match, the crowd goes pretty silent and in the case of last night, they start chanting the name of the arena sponsor.

• I skipped most of Owens/Shane mostly because I really don't care about the angle and especially about Owens himself.

I did watch the last few minutes of it however and even though I was a little surprised at Zayn's involvement at the end, I did sigh at the thought of more Owens/Zayn.

Seriously, I sick of both of them. Be it together or against each other (mostly the latter), I'm just sick of them.

• Overall, the event was a bit underwhelming for me with the only positives being the opening match and The Fashion Files, if I'm honest.

[Evil Vito]

What would the pay of be, in your mind?

One of two things.

Either A) leading to the debut of a new team for them to feud with (seemed to be the plan for a while, but they've clearly backed away from it.....they've been teasing it since June.)

or

B) The Usos wind up in the story and Breezango end up as their next challengers. But I think the New Day feud will carry on through Survivor Series which is still a ways away.

Don't get me wrong, I love the segments and think they're hilarious. I'd much rather have this than not see them at all. But I don't get the impression that WWE actually have any real plans for them when it looked like they did when the segments first started. Case in point how many times have they teased the case being closed on a PPV only for it to continue with no resolution? They even seem to be poking fun at it themselves by saying "this would be a huge waste of time if it's The Ascension again"

[Destor]

How can you possibly follow that match though? That has to be the blow off...

[#BROKEN Hasney]

How can you possibly follow that match though? That has to be the blow off...

Yeah, if they were at TLC, maybe maybe get a TLC match out of it.

They'll probably have the contractual rematch on Smackdown and then I reckon they'll tease a break-up, even if they don't pull the trigger on it yet.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

Just finished the main, enjoyed the story it told but it felt like they took too long to hit each beat.

Samis facials are incredible though. I fucking love the way he looks like he can't believe what he just dead and looked at Shanes kids with that face.

He's always been so good at that though. I loved just before the final Helluva Kick against Neville he just did that one look as he gets ready like he knows he's about to win the title, save his career and he's thinking about all the people that told him he couldn't do it.

http://pa1.narvii.com/5736/ad4713a5e5aacbd67371a35ebe26739dc870395b_hq.gif

Weird how someone who spent most of his career in a mask picked up that aspect so quickly.

[Destor]

And yes it is time for Breezango to get into a program. They're over. Usos are red hot too. New day can do whatever.

[Anybody Thrilla]

Breezango was the title program right before the New Day, right? Feels like Gable and Benjamin fail next.

[Anybody Thrilla]

And those matches will probably be really good too.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Didn't like the idea of Chad Gable & Shelton Benjamin just being American Alpha Beta, but I actually liked them together. There's something about how...just two guys they are. I dunno, I find it charming. But I've always had a soft spot for Shelton Benjamin and Chad Gable is pretty great.

[Anybody Thrilla]

I think there's money in Gable as a singles dude, but I definitely don't hate this team at the moment.

[Vastardikai]

I have been preaching it for months, and now I think much of TPDub is behind me on this:

Jinder Mahall needs to feud with the New Day.

The logic is actually simple: Jinder always has his underlings helping him out. With the New Day, the odds are even. Fans will get into that. And you can stretch the program out until Wrestlemania. Jinder vs. Xavier for Survivor Series. Jinder vs. Kofi at Royal Rumble. Jinder finally dropping the belt to Big E at Wrestlemania.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I'm fine with Jinder and his sour face feuding with The New Day. It should be with Heath Slater and Drew McIntyre at his side though.

[Vastardikai]

I'm fine with Jinder and his sour face feuding with The New Day. It should be with Heath Slater and Drew McIntyre at his side though.

One of the other ideas I had was, during the feud, Jinder fires the Singh brothers before his match with Kofi. So, the New Day lets Kofi go alone... only to get dismantled by Jinder's new charges... the Authors of Pain.

[Mr. Nerfect]

That would be alright. I'm fine with a Jinder/Rusev tag team too.

[#1-norm-fan]

Maybe they can bring in Okada and Omega as a tag team to job to Jinder and Rusev.

[Savio]

Slater is on Raw, but I guess people change brands randomly now.That would be alright. I'm fine with a Jinder/Rusev tag team too.

Didn't they stab each other in the back?

[#1-norm-fan]

Nikki wished Brie had died in the womb and they made up off-air weeks later as if there wasn't any real significant heat between them at all. I don't think WWE just brushing off whatever may have happened between Jinder and Rusev would be a problem.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Slater is on Raw, but I guess people change brands randomly now.

Didn't they stab each other in the back?

Yeah, but who really cares. I mean, Owens & Zayn, Ambrose & Rollins, Becky & Charlotte, Matt & Jeff, Shane & Vince, AJ & Shane -- it's like everybody in the WWE right now.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Nikki wished Brie had died in the womb and they made up off-air weeks later as if there wasn't any real significant heat between them at all.

Holy shit, wrestling is so bad sometimes, lol.

Remember when they had Paige bring up Reid Flair's death? Oomph.

[#1-norm-fan]

Still not as cringeworthy as how badly they destroyed Nakamura's aura.

[#1-norm-fan]

A thousand "Eddie's in hell" moments could not be that embarrassing.

[Stickman]

Oddly enough, I was actually uncomfortable watching all the baseball bat swings with the kendo sticks; and the fighting on top of the cell. I kept thinking someone was going to fall through the cage and/or trip over a beam and fall off. When Shane climbed up and fought with KO to get up, as well when they fought while climbing down I thought someone was going to slip and fall to the floor. Legit, felt uncomfortable.

On a match note, why does Shane constantly jump off the cage? He has never hit anyone while doing so othe than the big Show off the titan tron, so there is no drama to me in him jumping. It's just an ego spot.

[slik]

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[Vastardikai]

This is a thing that just dawned on me, and it pissed me off...

Kevin Owens couldn't beat Shane McMahon by himself.

Let me type this out again...

Kevin Owens, a guy who is presumably one of the top wrestlers in the world considering his position on the card and his size and all that, needed HELP to defeat Shane McMahon, a man who is in his late 40s and is NOT A FUCKING WRESTLER.

And people wonder why the arenas are half empty.

[Destor]

Kevin owens should never beat anyone clean...ever

[Destor]

If hes a baby face he should still cheat

[Destor]

You could stick steen in a crowd, pull back the camera, and play a helluva game of where's waldo

[Vastardikai]

The problem isn't that he is a heel. The problem is that, if a non wrestler can theoretically almost beat him, then Joe Schmoe in the Fifth Row has a shot. So, why is Kevin Owens EVER in Title Contention?

[Destor]

My point is steen is joe schmo from the 5th row

[Vastardikai]

My point is steen is joe schmo from the 5th row

And that's a fair point, as well. But Steen is in fact a guy who has gone over John Cena and held several singles titles. He's a guy who is in a wrestling ring on a regular basis. If anyone should be interfering on anyone's behalf, it should be someone trying to help out Shane. I didn't like the idea of Shane getting any serious offense on the Undertaker for the same reason. It makes everyone else he faces look bad, especially when they can actually throw something that pretends to resemble a decent punch, which Shane can't even be arsed to do.

Also, I didn't realize how poetic "Joe Schmoe in the 5th Row" was until you posted it after me, with or without the E.

[Destor]

It has a great ring to it

[#1-norm-fan]

You could stick steen in a crowd, pull back the camera, and play a helluva game of where's waldo

And Daniel Bryan would stick out?

[Destor]

And Daniel Bryan would stick out?

Well he does have gear

[#1-norm-fan]

Too many generic-looking fucks on the roster. I'm glad Owens doesn't wrestle in wrestling gear.

[Destor]

Eww

[#1-norm-fan]

Gertner made the Tank Abbott comparison with Owens and it's a fair one. You can book him as a worthless, fat fuck and he will come off as one. You can book him as a guy who doesn't look the part but is actually tough as shit and he'll come off that way, too. It's all about the presentation.

[Destor]

Hey the people who still go are into it so thats something

[Mr. Nerfect]

I go back and forth on Owens. The dude is such a good promo. So fucking good. He's also really good in the ring. But he does look like a normal dude. Dale and I got into it about Owens looking "tough." I think he looks like a geek. Something about his face and the way he is built just looks like "fat guy" as opposed to a "big guy." Like, Samoa Joe has got that aura of being a bad dude about him. Owens just doesn't have that. I'm sorry, he just doesn't.

Maybe it's also because he presents himself as eloquent and witty on the mic? If Owens presented himself like a dumber dude, I honestly think it would help him. Sheamus is another dude who I just think talks too damn much, even if he's good at it. Some dudes should just say one or two things and maybe spit at the camera a bit.

More problematic than Owens' weight, for me anyway, is his height. I can't remember who he was wrestling, but I saw him use a Stunner one week, and he had to jump to get it. It was kind of cute, honestly. I dunno, I just don't think the dude should be doing things that highlight how small he is.

And that's a problem to an extent. The dude is really small. Like, allegedly he was pushing for the Undertaker match that they gave to Shane, but it's like -- dude, for Taker to sell for you...

I dunno, is that too old-school? By the way, in kayfabe Shane is tough. Like, he's a wrestler. You can say he's not a wrestler, but to them he's a wrestler, and he's a bigger star than most of them. And doing the eye test, if you told me one was a wrestler and the other was the owner, and I knew nothing about WWE, I'd probably guess that Shane was the wrestler.

The gear is...fuck, I've always got a problem with wrestlers wearing non-wrestling gear. It just makes me think they think they're too cool to do what they're actually doing. I think it comes off as really insecure. I hate the jorts with Cena, the jeans for Ambrose, the swat gear for Reigns now. Like there's a time and place to dress like a gimmick, but they seem to indicate way too much with it now. If Austin were coming up today, would they have made him wrestle in the jeans too? Just give wrestlers wrestling gear, lol.

Buuuuut, Owens dressing the gimmick with the shirts and the shorts and stuff sort of suits him. Because he's so good as a personality he manages to breath himself into it a bit. I can kayfabe get why he brands himself "KO" and has the logo and stuff and the KO Mania shirts make total sense. But it's dangerously close to "fat kid doesn't want to take his shirt off at the pool," and they've really got to avoid that with him.

He's presented about as well as a dude with that look and gimmick can be. And he's so fucking good at talking. In another era, he probably wouldn't have made it as a wrestler, but he'd be a fantastic manager. Can you imagine him as a spoiled little fat kid talking shit? Holy shit.

But yeah, there are problems with Owens. Look, size and aura being the big ones, and there unfortunately ones you can't really change. I also don't think the dude is genuinely charismatic on that star level either. That's harder to gauge and stuff, but I think his Universal Title push would have gone better if he were. But he's always going to have some sort of value as a dude who can talk and as a solid hand because he seems to have incredible timing. I just don't get "main event bad-ass" from him.

[Lock Jaw]

Kevin Owens looks like Pugsley Addams all grown up

[#1-norm-fan]

He's doesn't have huge star potential. He's not someone you revolve the company around. But again, he's good enough in the ring and on the mic AND he's got a unique enough look that he can be a huge asset. It's all in the presentation. If you book him like a big, sloppy, fatass loser, he will come off like that. If you book him like an ass-kicker who doesn't look the part, he will come off like that. They've just gotta pick one or the other and go all-out on it and never look back.

Maybe giving him a mouthpiece and not letting him work the mic as much like Noid said is key. It seems like a weird thing to do with a guy who is actually comfortable on the mic but maybe his style of promo is just not what you want when trying to present him the way he needs to be presented.

[Stickman]

I have no problem with Owens. He is gold on the mic and he can go in the ring. He is shorter than I would like and he has a terrible body but because he is fat he can get away with being short. He has a bully look and is good enough in the ring to counter that. Some of the short in shape guys don't look like believable ass kickers (Like Balor, Ambrose, Zayn), but because Owens has size he can overcome his manlet status.

[KIRA]

I have no problem with Owens. He is gold on the mic and he can go in the ring. He is shorter than I would like and he has a terrible body but because he is fat he can get away with being short. He has a bully look and is good enough in the ring to counter that. Some of the short in shape guys don't look like believable ass kickers (Like Balor, Ambrose, Zayn), but because Owens has size he can overcome his manlet status.

Gonna defend Dean ambrose here first off he is not short he's 6'4

Second while I would like to see him in trunks again like in FCW his scraggly crazy man gimmick lends itself to Jeans and a tanktop. That said I think WWE is going way overboard with people wearing street clothes to wrestle in for a while Harper and Ambrose had preety much identical looks.
Scale it back to just dean and everyone else wears it when it makes sense

[Mr. Nerfect]

He's doesn't have huge star potential. He's not someone you revolve the company around. But again, he's good enough in the ring and on the mic AND he's got a unique enough look that he can be a huge asset. It's all in the presentation. If you book him like a big, sloppy, fatass loser, he will come off like that. If you book him like an ass-kicker who doesn't look the part, he will come off like that. They've just gotta pick one or the other and go all-out on it and never look back.

Maybe giving him a mouthpiece and not letting him work the mic as much like Noid said is key. It seems like a weird thing to do with a guy who is actually comfortable on the mic but maybe his style of promo is just not what you want when trying to present him the way he needs to be presented.

He's so good at talking and putting one foot in front of the other in the ring. It's weird that they present him as a heel actually. There seems to be some back-and-forth about whether or not he is actually good as a heel or not. I think some people think he gets "too cute." But given that he's got all this talent but doesn't fit expectations, you'd think he'd be a natural babyface for them.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Gonna defend Dean ambrose here first off he is not short he's 6'4

Second while I would like to see him in trunks again like in FCW his scraggly crazy man gimmick lends itself to Jeans and a tanktop. That said I think WWE is going way overboard with people wearing street clothes to wrestle in for a while Harper and Ambrose had preety much identical looks.
Scale it back to just dean and everyone else wears it when it makes sense

It fits Ambrose, you are right, but it's too far in that obvious direction. It'd be like Austin wearing street gear. We get it, you don't like authority. There was a short period of time where you could buy that Ambrose never got singles attire made for himself and couldn't bear to wear the Shield gear anymore. Seth Rollins broke his heart and destroyed his identity. Now, over three years later, you're friends with the guys again -- get some proper fucking stuff.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Harper is another dude they could have just put in trunks and said he was a mad-man, but I actually prefer the more gimmicky look on him. Makes it look like he doesn't give a fuck, and as a more "unfocused" character, that makes sense. When he's aligned with Bray Wyatt, of course he just wears jeans and shit.

I think the time to change his look was during the feud with Ziggler and he joined The Authority. I don't hate that they didn't fuck with him by any means. You could buy Triple H and Stephanie just accepting his help and staying away from him otherwise. Harper is so good that I always entertained the idea of a "corporate makeover" for him. It sounds dumb, but it's supported by my love of Harper as a performer. Can you just imagine him standing there in an expensive suit with a crazed expression in his eye? Holy fuck. It'd either work really, really, really well, or suck so hard.

I forget they changed up his look recently. It did look way too much like Ambrose. They were going for that "sleeker" look, because they've booked themselves into this situation where they've made him dirty and they don't like it, but that's his look now. Works a lot better for Harper though. In my opinion. I'd go with the dirtier look with the personalized jackets and shit.

[Anybody Thrilla]

I love Luke Harper so much. I hope the Bludgeon Brothers are dope.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Luke Harper might just be my favorite wrestler. I mean, I do love Cesaro, but Harper has this weird intangible about him. I forget about it and then he reminds me every time I see him.

This Bludgeon Brothers thing...I wish it the best, that's all. I think it's supposed to be funny? I don't know. The Usos and The New Day could use a new team to shake things up. I can just think of better Luke Harper uses. But I guess I should just be happy for something.

[Anybody Thrilla]

I dunno, it seemed like they were playing it pseudo-serious. Maybe try and be what the Ascension was supposed to try and be, if that makes any sense.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Just the way that camera lingered. I mean, they are playing it straight-faced, you're right, but there's something campy as shit about this. I thought of The Ascension too, but I thought "Oh, they have learnt their lesson from them."

[KIRA]

I do love watching Luke Harper go hell I like hearing Luke Harper talk

Its weird both times he seperated from the Wyatt family he looked to be on the verge of a huge breakout then it just stops and it makes no sence because everytime he was solo he had fans attention. Hoping the tag team works out but its the WWE so.....

Also poor Erik Rowan just no idea what to do with him seemingly

[Mr. Nerfect]

Erick Rowan is adorable when he is with Harper, but what else can you do with him? That viking gimmick he had in FCW? You don't want him going long and he's not really a main event dude.