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10-11-2017, 01:50 PM
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<select><option selected="selected">Better Wrestler History</option> <option>#1. Trish Stratus vs Charlotte (27-13)</option> <option>#2. Trish Stratus vs The Miz (20-13)</option> <option>#3. Trish Stratus vs Booker T (19-19)</option> <option>#4. Trish Stratus vs The Big Show (19-9)</option> <option>#5. Trish Stratus vs Ricky "The Dragon" Steamboat (10-25)</option> <option>#6. Ricky "The Dragon" Steamboat vs Bokker T (22-13)</option> <option>#7. Ricky "The Dragon" Steamboat vs Kevin Nash (17-16)</option> <option>#8. Ricky "The Dragon" Steamboat vs John Cena (6-21)</option> <option>#9. John Cena vs Kevin Owens (25-8)</option> <option>#10. John Cena vs Goldberg (28-4)</option> <option>#11. John Cena vs Chris Jericho (4-33)</option> <option>#12. Chris Jericho vs AJ Styles (26-6)</option> <option>#13. Chris Jericho vs Chris Benoit (26-5)</option> <option>#14. Chris Jericho vs Kurt Angle (9-27)</option> <option>#15. Kurt Angle vs "Mr. Perfect" Curt Hennig (31-5)</option> <option>#16. Kurt Angle vs "The American Dream" Dusty Rhodes (17-14)</option> <option>#17. Kurt Angle vs Eddie Guerrero (23-12)</option> <option>#18. Kurt Angle vs "The Heartbreak Kid" Shawn Michaels (21-22)</option> <option>#19. "The Heartbreak Kid" Shawn Michaels vs Christian (31-7)</option> <option>#20. "The Heartbreak Kid" Shawn Michaels vs Mick Foley (27-7)</option><option>#21. "The Heartbreak Kid" Shawn Michaels vs Bret "The Hitman" Hart (20-23)</option><option>#22. Bret "The Hitman" Hart vs Vader (24-15)</option><option>#23. Bret "The Hitman" Hart vs "Rowdy" Roddy Piper (20-18)</option><option>#24. Bret "The Hitman" Hart vs "Macho Man" Randy Savage (12-24)</option><option>#25. "Macho Man" Randy Savage vs Ultimate Warrior (34-4)</option><option>#26. "Macho Man" Randy Savage vs Jake "The Snake" Roberts (29-3)</option><option>#27. "Macho Man" Randy Savage vs Triple H (32-6)</option><option>#28. "Macho Man" Randy Savage vs The Undertaker (24-19)</option><option>#29. Roman Reigns vs Lex Luger (21-20)</option><option>#30. Roman Reigns vs The Great Khali (20-18)</option><option>#31. Roman Reigns vs AJ Lee (14-24)</option><option>#32. AJ Lee vs Emma (32-6)</option><option>#33. AJ Lee vs Lita (11-26)</option><option>#34. Lita vs John Morrison (15-22)</option><option> #35. John Morrison vs Ricochet (26-6)</option><option>#36. John Morrison vs Dean Malenko (8-25)</option><option>#37. Dean Malenko vs Perry Saturn (23-10)</option><option>#38. Dean Malenko vs Taz (19-22)</option><option>#39. Taz vs Shane Douglas (28-3)</option><option>#40. Taz vs Raven (15-19)</option><option>#41. Raven vs Bray Wyatt (20-11)</option><option>#42. Raven vs "Diamond" Dallas Page (7-25)</option><option>#43. "Diamond" Dallas Page vs Scott Hall (14-16)</option><option>#44. Scott Hall vs Sid Vicious (29-4)</option><option>#45. Scott Hall vs "The British Bulldog" Davey Boy Smith (26-8)</option><option>#46. Scott Hall vs "The Million Dollar Man" Ted Dibiase (13-17)</option><option>#47. "The Million Dollar Man" Ted Dibiase vs "Dr. Death" Steve Williams (24-6)</option><option>#48. "The Million Dollar Man" Ted Dibiase vs Sting (12-26)</option><option>#49. Sting vs Matt Hardy (26-8)</option><option>#50. Sting vs Edge (13-24)</option><option>#51. Edge vs Kane (20-13)</option><option>#52. Edge vs Dean Ambrose (22-13)</option><option>#53. Edge vs CM Punk (12-24)</option><option>#54. CM Punk vs Rob Van Damn (18-19) </option><option>#55. Rob Van Dam vs Adrian Neville (26-7)</option><option>#56. Rob Van Dam vs Rey Mysterio (10-22)</option><option>#57. Rey Mysterio vs Scott Steiner (18-12)</option><option>#58. Rey Mysterio vs Jeff Hardy (20-15)</option><option>#59. Rey Mysterio vs Brock Lesnar (6-26)</option><option>#60. Brock Lesnar vs John "Bradshaw" Layfield (28-3)</option><option>#61. Brock Lesnar vs Randy Orton (21-12)</option><option>#62. Brock Lesnar vs John Cena (13-17)</option><option> #63. John Cena vs Vince McMahon (18-12)</option><option>#64. John Cena vs Andre The Giant (11-18)</option><option>#65. Andre The Giant vs The Big Show (21-8)</option><option>#66. Andre The Giant vs Sgt. Slaughter (23-5)</option><option>#67. Andre The Giant vs Chris Jericho (15-18)</option><option>#68. Chris Jericho vs Shinsuke Nakamura (23-5)</option><option> #69. Chris Jericho vs Terry Funk (18-19)</option><option>#70. Terry Funk vs Bob Backlund (22-6)</option><option>#71. Terry Funk vs Jerry "The King" Lawler (14-15)</option><option>#72. Jerry "The King" Lawler vs Bam Bam Bigelow (19-6)</option><option>#73. Jerry "The King" Lawler vs Harley Race (14-11)</option><option>#74. Jerry "The King" Lawler vs "American Dragon" Bryan Danielson (15-20)</option><option>#75. "American Dragon" Bryan Danielson vs Austin Ares (26-2)</option><option>#76. "American Dragon" Bryan Danielson vs Jake "The Snake" Roberts (24-13)</option><option>#77. "The American Dragon" Bryan Danielson vs "The Heartbreak Kid" Shawn Michaels (7-31)</option><option> #78. "The Heartbreak Kid" Shawn Michaels vs Mitsuharu Misawa (18-11)</option><option>#79. "The Heartbreak Kid" Shawn Michaels vs Chris Jericho (20-17)</option><option>#80. "The Heartbreak Kid" Shawn Michaels vs CM Punk (27-5)</option></select>

<select><option selected="selected">Better Wrestler Hall of Fame</option><option>"Macho Man" Randy Savage</option></select>

<select><option selected="selected">Previous Better Wrestler History</option><option>#1.RVD vs CM Punk (34-19)</option><option>#2.RVD vs Santino Marella (36-4)</option><option>#3.RVD vs "Mr. Perfect" Curt Hennig (15-23)</option><option>#4."Mr. Perfect" Curt Hennig vs Tully Blanchard (30-5)</option><option>#5."Mr. Perfect" Curt Hennig vs Chris Jericho (15-23)</option><option>#6.Chris Jericho vs Brock Lesnar (34-10)</option><option>#7.Chris Jericho vs William Regal (38-14)</option><option>#8.Chris Jericho vs Eddie Guerrero (21-23)</option><option>#9.Eddie Guerrero vs Ricky "The Dragon" Steamboat (26-7)</option><option>#10.Eddie Guerrero vs "Macho Man" Randy Savage (26-19)</option><option>#11.Eddie Guerrero vs Diamond Dallas Page (39-8)</option><option>#12.Eddie Guerrero vs "Stone Cold" Steve Austin(19-28)</option><option>#13."Stone Cold" Steve Austin vs Chris Benoit (32-13)</option><option>#14."Stone Cold" Steve Austin vs Jake "The Snake" Roberts (29-10)</option><option>#15."Stone Cold" Steve Austin vs Sting (36-16)</option><option>#16."Stone Cold" Steve Austin vs Bret "The Hitman" Hart (32-31)</option><option>#17.Hulk Hogan vs John Cena (15-24)</option><option>#18.John Cena vs Lex Luger (32-6)</option><option>#19.John Cena vs Ultimate Warrior (29-18)</option><option>#20.John Cena vs Dean Malenko (9-40)</option><option>#21.Dean Malenko vs Billy Kidman (31-7)</option><option>#22.Dean Malenko vs Ultimo Dragon (22-15)</option><option>#23.Dean Malenko vs Taz (15-17)</option><option>#24.Taz vs Sabu (38-2)</option><option>#25.Taz vs Jeff Hardy (25-16)</option><option>#26.Taz vs Bam Bam Bigelow (26-12)</option><option>#27.Taz vs Triple H (24-22)</option><option>#28.Edge vs Christian Cage (22-23)</option><option>#29.Christian Cage vs Raven (23-22)</option><option>#30.Christian vs Matt Hardy (22-19)</option><option>#31.Christian vs Ted Dibiase (24-25)</option><option>#32.Ted Dibiase vs "Rowdy" Roddy Piper (16-19)</option><option>#33."Rowdy" Roddy Piper vs "The British Bulldog" Davey Boy Smith (25-19)</option><option>#34."Rowdy" Roddy Piper vs Bob Backlund (26-6)</option><option>#35."Rowdy" Roddy Piper vs The Dynamite Kid (26-13)</option><option>#36."Rowdy Roddy Piper vs Ric Flair (16-19)</option><option>#37.Ric Flair vs Bret "The Hitman" Hart (19-17)</option><option>#38.Ric Flair vs Andre "The Giant" (28-5)</option><option>#39.Ric Flair vs Triple H (26-11)</option><option>#40.Ric Flair vs Shawn Michaels (20-26)</option><option>#41.Shawn Michaels vs Jushin "Thunder" Lyger (26-15)</option><option>#42.Shawn Michaels vs Perry Saturn (36-12)</option><option>#43.Shawn Michaels vs The Undertaker (29-11)</option><option>#44.Shawn Michaels vs The Rock (28-30)</option><option>#45.The Rock vs Trish Stratus (21-16)</option><option>#46.The Rock vs Lance Storm (22-19)</option><option>#47.The Rock vs Owen Hart (18-12)</option><option>#48.The Rock vs Kurt Angle (5-24)</option><option>#49.Kurt Angle vs Ken Shamrock (36-5)</option><option>#50.Kurt Angle vs Rob Van Dam (23-13)</option><option>#51.Kurt Angle vs "King Kong" Bruiser Brody (20-10)</option><option>#52.Kurt Angle vs Mick Foley (31-6)</option><option>#53.John Morrison vs Braden Walker (36-11)</option><option>#54.John Morrison vs Kofi Kingston (34-5)</option><option>#55.John Morrison vs CM Punk (14-28)</option><option>#56.CM Punk vs Tajiri (28-20)</option><option>#57.CM Punk vs Booker T (24-23)</option><option>#58.CM Punk vs Samoa Joe (53-4)</option><option>#59.CM Punk vs "Macho Man" Randy Savage (19-36)</option><option>#60."Macho Man" Randy Savage vs "Adorable" Adrian Adonis (47-2)</option><option>#61."Macho Man" Randy Savage vs Goldberg (49-4)</option><option>#62."Macho Man" Randy Savage vs "Mr. Perfect" Curt Hennig (31-38)</option><option>#63."Mr.Perfect" Curt Hennig vs "Diamond" Dallas Page (51-17)</option><option>#64."Mr. Perfect" Curt Hennig vs William Regal (37-18)</option><option>#65."Mr. Perfect" Curt Hennig vs Brock Lesnar (48-4)</option><option>#66."Mr. Perfect" Curt Hennig vs Eddie Guerrero (39-40)</option><option>#67. Eddie Guerrero vs Arn Anderson (33-22)</option><option>#68. Eddie Guerrero vs Jake "The Snake" Roberts (37-36)</option><option>#69. Eddie Guerrero vs Sting (41-16)</option><option>#70. Chris Jericho vs Eddie Guerrero (45-18)</option><option>#71. Chris Jericho vs Rey Mysterio (63-3)</option><option>#72. Chris Jericho vs Kevin Nash (54-12)</option><option>#73. Chris Jericho vs Dean Malenko (39-9)</option><option>#74. Chris Jericho vs Ricky Steamboat (41-30)</option><option>#75. Masato Tanaka vs Mike Awesome (24-18)</option><option>#76. Masato Tanaka vs X-Pac (34-16)</option><option>#77. Masato Tanaka vs Rikishi (36-13)</option><option>#78. Brian Pillman vs Masato Tanaka (31-13)</option><option>#79. Brian Pillman vs Road Dogg (44-7)</option><option>#80. Ultimo Dragon vs Brian Pillman (29-28)</option><option>#81. Ultimo Dragon vs Goldust (35-19)</option><option>#82. Ultimo Dragon vs Barry Windham (36-9)</option><option>#83. Ultimo Dragon vs Randy Orton (35-34)</option><option>#84. Edge vs Ultimo Dragon (48-8)</option><option>#85. Edge vs Jeff Hardy (54-5)</option><option>#86. Edge vs Razor Ramon (44-21)</option><option>#87. Ted Dibiase vs Edge (39-33)</option><option>#88. Ted Dibiase vs Doink the Clown (59-4)</option><option>#89. Ted Dibiase vs Rick Rude (34-20)</option><option>#90. Ted Dibiase vs. Christian (39-32)</option><option>#91. Ted Dibiase vs. Bret Hart (24-55)</option><option>#92. Bret Hart vs. Scott Steiner (56-8)</option><option>#93. Bret Hart vs. Christopher Daniels (47-15)</option><option>#94. Bret Hart vs. Triple H (40-22)</option><option>#95. Bret Hart vs. Shawn Michaels (26-47)</option><option>#96. Shawn Michaels vs. Marty Jannetty (54-7)</option><option>#97. Shawn Michaels vs. Bryan Danielson (36-12)</option><option>#98. Shawn Michaels vs. Chris Benoit (38-33)</option><option>#99. Shawn Michaels vs. The Rock (44-34)</option><option>#100. Earthquake vs. Vader (10-65)</option><option>#101. Vader vs. Bam Bam Bigelow (33-32)</option><option>#102. Vader vs. The Great Muta (32-29)</option><option>#103. Vader vs. Mick Foley (16-42)</option><option>#104. Mick Foley vs. Al Snow (49-7)</option><option>#105. Mick Foley vs. Jerry Lynn (41-11)</option><option>#106. Mick Foley vs. Rob Van Dam (24-38)</option><option>#107. Rob Van Dam vs. Tommy Dreamer (52-4)</option><option>#108. Rob Van Dam vs. John Morrison (54-14)</option><option>#109. Rob Van Dam vs. Owen Hart (36-36)</option><option>#110. Rob Van Dam vs. The Undertaker (22-53)</option><option>#111. The Undertaker vs. Owen Hart (62-16)</option><option>#112. The Undertaker vs. Kane (63-3)</option><option>#113. The Undertaker vs. Diamond Dallas Page (51-18)</option><option>#114. The Undertaker vs. Ric Flair (44-43)</option><option>#115. John "Bradshaw" Layfield vs. Ron Simmons (33-25)</option><option>#116. John "Bradshaw" Layfield vs. Juventud Guerrera (28-19)</option><option>#117. John "Bradshaw" Layfield vs. The Big Show (25-39)</option><option>#118. The Big Show vs. Sid (50-10)</option><option>#119. The Big Show vs. Lance Storm (18-48)</option><option>#120. Lance Storm vs. Meng (65-7)</option><option>#121. Lance Storm vs. John Cena (53-18)</option><option>#122. Lance Storm vs. Sting (23-50)</option><option>#123. Sting vs. The Ultimate Warrior (57-18)</option><option>#124. Sting vs. Dusty Rhodes (50-24)</option><option>#125. Sting vs. CM Punk (41-32)</option><option>#126. Sting vs. Randy Savage (27-50)</option><option>#127. Randy Savage vs. Jim Duggan (65-7)</option><option>#128. Randy Savage vs. AJ Styles (64-13)</option><option>#129. Randy Savage vs. Booker T (61-16)</option><option>#130. Randy Savage vs. Roddy Piper (55-27)</option><option>#131. Rick Martel vs. Tito Santana (35-29)</option><option>#132. Rick Martel vs. Shane Douglas (29-36)</option><option>#133. Shane Douglas vs. Rhino (35-38)</option><option>#134. Rhino vs. Jeff Jarrett (30-36)</option><option>#135. Jeff Jarrett vs. Mike Rotunda (30-38)</option><option>#136. Mike Rotunda vs. Chris Kanyon (44-24)</option><option>#137. Mike Rotunda vs. Barry Windham (38-17)</option><option>#138. Mike Rotunda vs. Scott Hall (11-63)</option><option>#139. Scott Hall vs. Goldberg (60-17)</option><option>#140. Scott Hall vs. Kevin Nash (47-31)</option><option>#141. Scott Hall vs. Brian Pillman (44-34)</option><option>#142. Scott Hall vs. Edge (26-64)</option><option>#143. Edge vs. Matt Hardy (71-12)</option><option>#144. Edge vs. Arn Anderson (38-34)</option><option>#145. Edge vs. Randy Orton (45-36)</option><option>#146. Edge vs. Triple H (29-47)</option><option>#147. Triple H vs. Batista (65-8)</option><option>#148. Triple H vs. Raven (54-25)</option><option>#149. Triple H vs. Ricky Steamboat (44-43)</option><option>#150. Triple H vs. Eddie Guerrero (43-56)</option><option>#151. Eddie Guerrero vs. Trish Stratus (58-12)</option><option>#152. Eddie Guerrero vs. The Great Muta (47-11)</option><option>#153. Eddie Guerrero vs. Curt Hennig (34-43)</option><option>#154. Curt Hennig vs. Jerry Lawler (63-9)</option><option>#155. Curt Hennig vs. Hulk Hogan (54-17)</option><option>#156. Curt Hennig vs. Christian (47-26)</option><option>#157. Curt Hennig vs. The Rock (31-44)</option><option>#158. The Rock vs. Steve Blackman (54-22)</option><option>#159. The Rock vs. Vader (54-14)</option><option>#160. The Rock vs. Mick Foley (48-22)</option><option>#161. The Rock vs. Bret Hart (42-49)</option><option>#162. Bret Hart vs. Davey Boy Smith (70-8)</option><option>#163. Bret Hart vs. Dean Malenko (52-16)</option><option>#164. Bret Hart vs. Owen Hart (47-18)</option><option>#165. Bret Hart vs. Ric Flair (53-32)</option><option>#166. Barry Darsow vs. Ed Leslie (45-13)</option><option>#167. Barry Darsow vs. Jacques Rougeau (17-38)</option><option>#168. Jacques Rougeau vs. Evan Bourne (18-49)</option><option>#169. Evan Bourne vs. Mr. Anderson (38-16)</option><option>#170. Evan Bourne vs. Bryan Danielson(10-50)</option><option>#171. Bryan Danielson vs. Billy Gunn (56-16)</option><option>#172. Bryan Danielson vs. The Miz (42-26)</option><option>#173. Bryan Danielson vs. Chris Benoit (27-40)</option><option>#174. Chris Benoit vs. Chavo Guerrero (53-8)</option><option>#175. Chris Benoit vs. Perry Saturn (48-13)</option><option>#176. Chris Benoit vs. Lance Storm (36-21)</option><option>#177. Chris Benoit vs. Ted Dibiase (41-34)</option><option>#178. TAKA Michinoku vs. Sho Funaki (51-9)</option><option>#179. TAKA Michinoku vs. Santino Marella (48-9)</option><option>#180. TAKA Michinoku vs. Rey Mysterio (23-41)</option><option>#181. Rey Mysterio vs. Gregory Helms (34-8)</option><option>#182. Rey Mysterio vs. Jeff Hardy (41-18)</option><option>#183. Rey Mysterio vs. Diamond Dallas Page (34-37)</option><option>#184. Diamond Dallas Page vs. Big Boss Man (49-5)</option><option>#185. Diamond Dallas Page vs. Yoshihiro Tajiri (34-18)</option><option>#186. Diamond Dallas Page vs. CM Punk (19-41)</option><option>#187. CM Punk vs. Terry Funk (35-18)</option><option>#188. CM Punk vs. Kane (40-13)</option><option>#189. CM Punk vs. Rob Van Dam (39-22)</option><option>#190. CM Punk vs. "Rowdy" Roddy Piper (39-37)</option><option>#191. Ted DiBiase, Jr. vs. Cody Rhodes (23-36)</option><option>#192. Cody Rhodes vs. Goldust (10-51)</option><option>#193. Goldust vs. Shelton Benjamin (41-22)</option><option>#194. Goldust vs. Rick Rude (21-37)</option><option>#195. Rick Rude vs. Rick Martel (42-6)</option><option>#196. Rick Rude vs. The Big Show (30-15)</option><option>#197. Rick Rude vs. Jake Roberts (26-38)</option><option>#198. Jake Roberts vs. John "Bradshaw" Layfield (50-16)</option><option>#199. Jake Roberts vs. Arn Anderson (39-31)</option><option>#200. Jake Roberts vs. Brian Pillman (34-20)</option><option>#201. Jake Roberts vs. Edge (42-28)</option><option>#202. Raven vs. Shane Douglas (45-6)</option><option>#203. Raven vs. R-Truth (39-6)</option><option>#204. Raven vs. Booker T (31-40)</option><option>#205. Booker T vs. Jerry Lawler (37-20)</option><option>#206. Booker T vs. Sheamus (51-11)</option><option>#207. Booker T vs. Christian (21-33)</option><option>#208. Christian vs. Jushin "Thunder" Liger (30-21)</option><option>#209. Christian vs. Kevin Nash (30-24)</option><option>#210. Christian vs. Randy Orton (41-22)</option><option>#211. Christian vs. Eddie Guerrero (10-66)</option><option>#212. Eddie Guerrero vs. Andre the Giant (55-16)</option><option>#213. Eddie Guerrero vs. Hulk Hogan (47-29)</option><option>#214. Eddie Guerrero vs. Scott Hall (47-18)</option><option>#215. Eddie Guerrero vs. The Rock (28-40)</option><option>#216. The Rock vs. William Regal (39-17)</option><option>#217. The Rock vs. Brock Lesnar (47-13)</option><option>#218. The Rock vs. Sting (31-19)</option><option>#219. The Rock vs. Triple H (40-27)</option><option>#220. Ahmed Johnson vs. Ezekiel Jackson (41-11)</option><option>#221. Ahmed Johnson vs. The Godfather (6-44)</option><option>#222. The Godfather vs. D'Lo Brown (9-42)</option><option>#223. D'Lo Brown vs. Val Venis (29-20)</option><option>#224. D'Lo Brown vs. Mark Henry (36-23)</option><option>#225. D'Lo Brown vs. The Miz (10-46)</option><option>#226. The Miz vs. John Morrison (52-13)</option><option>#227. The Miz vs. Dolph Ziggler (39-49)</option><option>#228. Dolph Ziggler vs. Wade Barrett (42-21)</option><option>#229. Dolph Ziggler vs. John Cena (38-31)</option><option>#230. Dolph Ziggler vs. Lance Storm (38-37)</option><option>#231. Dolph Ziggler vs. Curt Hennig (18-55)</option><option>#233. Curt Hennig vs. Zack Ryder (62-8)</option><option>#234. Curt Hennig vs. Vader (45-14)</option><option>#234. Curt Hennig vs. Owen Hart (38-22)</option><option>#235. Curt Hennig vs. Ric Flair (48-39)</option><option>#236. Jesse James vs. Billy Gunn (16-38)</option><option>#237. Billy Gunn vs. Sabu (40-15)</option><option>#238. Billy Gunn vs. Scott Steiner (20-38)</option><option>#239. Scott Steiner vs. Billy Kidman (28-26)</option><option>#240. Scott Steiner vs. Alberto Del Rio (25-34)</option><option>#241. Alberto Del Rio vs. X-Pac (29-25)</option><option>#242. Alberto Del Rio vs. Cody Rhodes (19-44)</option><option>#243. Cody Rhodes vs. Kofi Kingston (49-7)</option><option>#244. Cody Rhodes vs. Dusty Rhodes (30-30)</option><option>#245. Cody Rhodes vs. Goldust (18-31)</option><option>#246. Goldust vs. Dusty Rhodes (31-15)</option><option>#247. Goldust vs. Vader (29-39)</option><option>#248. Vader vs. Yokozuna (55-8)</option><option>#249. Vader vs Stan Hansen (31-10)</option><option>#250. Vader vs. Mick Foley (15-41)</option><option>#251. Mick Foley vs. Terry Funk (34-18)</option><option>#252. Mick Foley vs. Santino Marella (60-2)</option><option>#253. Mick Foley vs. Diamond Dallas Page (40-19)</option><option>#254. Mick Foley vs. Edge (49-28)</option><option>#255. Tajiri vs. Super Crazy (62-4)</option><option>#256. Tajiri vs The Great Muta (17-35)</option><option>#257. The Great Muta vs. Ultimo Dragon (32-28)</option><option>#258. The Great Muta vs. Brian Pillman (32-21)</option><option>#259. The Great Muta vs. Booker T (24-36)</option><option>#260. Booker T vs. Ron Simmons (50-13)</option><option>#261. Booker T vs. John "Bradshaw" Layfield (37-20)</option><option>#262. Booker T vs. Daniel Bryan (28-20)</option><option>#263. Booker T vs. "Rowdy" Roddy Piper (20-40)</option><option>#264. "Rowdy" Roddy Piper vs. "Cowboy" Bob Orton (48-6)</option><option>#265. "Rowdy" Roddy Piper vs. Christian (30-13)</option><option>#266. "Rowdy" Roddy Piper vs. Scott Hall (37-15)</option><option>#267. "Rowdy" Roddy Piper vs. Eddie Guerrero (31-32)</option><option>#268. Eddie Guerrero vs. Mr. Anderson (56-1)</option><option>#269. Eddie Guerrero vs. Rey Mysterio (41-11)</option><option>#270. Eddie Guerrero vs. Ted DiBiase (41-13)</option><option>#271. Eddie Guerrero vs. Triple H (40-32)</option><option>#272. Kane vs. Ryback (50-15)</option><option>#273. Kane vs. Sid (28-23)</option><option>#274. Kane vs. Big Show (41-13)</option><option>#275. Kane vs. Sting (12-46)</option><option>#276. Sting vs. Lex Luger (49-2)</option><option>#277. Sting vs. Rick Rude (30-28)</option><option>#278. Sting vs. Rob Van Dam (37-12)</option><option>#279. Sting vs. Hulk Hogan (29-30)</option><option>#280. Hulk Hogan vs. Andre "The Giant" (46-14)</option><option>#281. Hulk Hogan vs. Jeff Hardy (49-11)</option><option>#282. Hulk Hogan vs. Ultimate Warrior (37-15)</option><option>#283. Hulk Hogan vs. John Cena (40-21)</option></select>

<select><option selected="selected">Previous Better Wrestler Hall of Fame</option><option>"Stone Cold" Steve Austin</option><option>Taz</option><option>Kurt Angle</option><option>Chris Jericho</option><option>"The Heartbreak Kid" Shawn Michaels</option><option>The Undertaker</option><option>"Macho Man" Randy Savage</option><option>Bret "Hitman" Hart</option><option>Chris Benoit</option><option>CM Punk</option><option>Jake "The Snake" Roberts</option><option>The Rock</option><option>"Mr. Perfect" Curt Hennig</option><option>Mick Foley</option><option>Eddie Guerrero</option><option>Hulk Hogan</option></select>

<select><option selected="selected">Previous Best Wrestler Tournament History</option><option>ROUND 1</option><option>#1. Randy Savage vs. Taz (72-4)</option><option>#2. The Undertaker vs. Steve Austin (42-42)</option><option>#3. Chris Jericho vs. Jake Roberts (52-15)</option><option>#4. Bret Hart vs. CM Punk (44-24)</option><option>#5. Curt Hennig vs. The Rock (27-31)</option><option>#6. Mick Foley vs. Kurt Angle (18-41)</option><option>#7. Eddie Guerrero vs. Shawn Michaels (13-50)</option><option>#8. Chris Benoit vs. Hulk Hogan (28-36)</option><option>ROUND 2</option><option>#9. Randy Savage vs. Hulk Hogan (41-18)</option><option>#10. The Undertaker vs. Steve Austin vs. Shawn Michaels (14-22-26)</option><option>#11. Chris Jericho vs. Kurt Angle (30-27)</option><option>#12. Bret Hart vs. The Rock (32-34)</option><option>ROUND 3</option><option>#13. Randy Savage vs. The Rock (41-22)</option><option>#14. Chris Jericho vs. Shawn Michaels (20-43)</option><option>ROUND 4</option><option>#15. Randy Savage vs Shawn Michaels (25-48)</option><option>#16. HBK VS Chris Jericho (20-17)</option></select>
Destor
10-11-2017, 01:51 PM
That pic I used for HBM looks photoshopped somehow...


Also...my vacation was short lived
Destor
10-11-2017, 01:52 PM
Hogan drew waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more money. Easy vote.
Sixx
10-11-2017, 01:54 PM
Tough one. Used to love Hogan as a kid, he pretty much got me into wrestling. I watched every single one of his shitty movies as well as his dumbass TV show Thunder in Paradise. But his stupid comebacks ruined his legacy for me. I really don't enjoy watching a tanning bed-atticted pensioner wrestle.

I mentioned before, I'm not really a fan of HBK's late stuff, but it still was beter than Hogan's. Love mid-90s HBK, good cocky heel. And I love the theme. HBK it is.
Ol Dirty Dastard
10-11-2017, 01:58 PM
Going with personal taste and connection. Wpuld watch HBK perform before Hogan any day of the week.
Frank Drebin
10-11-2017, 02:08 PM
Feel like HBK gonna win this easy. About the only argument you can make for Hogan is that he drew more and that he was a crossover icon. HBK owns pretty much everything else. Feel like people will vote for "everything else"
Destor
10-11-2017, 02:10 PM
Feel like HBK gonna win this easy. About the only argument you can make for Hogan is that he drew more and that he was a crossover icon. HBK owns pretty much everything else. Feel like people will vote for "everything else"
Way bigger star in every meaningful way. If they're being subjective the choice is easy. If this is "who I like best" then it will also be easy.
Ol Dirty Dastard
10-11-2017, 02:15 PM
Take your shitty reasons rep and shove it lmfao

Also... Hogan is largely responsible for tanking wcw.
Destor
10-11-2017, 02:19 PM
Take your shitty reasons rep and shove it lmfao

Also... Hogan is largely responsible for tanking wcw.HBM nearly tanked the WWF in the mid 90s. Two way street.
Ol Dirty Dastard
10-11-2017, 02:21 PM
Except wwe didnt tank.
Destor
10-11-2017, 02:28 PM
Except wwe didnt tank.yeah, as soon as he went on the shelf it bounced back
Ol Dirty Dastard
10-11-2017, 02:32 PM
Ome could argue his heel turn before he hit the shelf (along with Bret's) laid the foundation to wwf taking over. Its not like the ratings magically started to get better. It was consistently solid main event storylines.
Destor
10-11-2017, 02:34 PM
One could argue anythign they want :lol:
Ol Dirty Dastard
10-11-2017, 02:40 PM
Lol well one could reasonably argue that point. Bret helped Austin big time and Michaels helped establish the edgier product that would help them win the war.

Michaels killed some momentum in his day but when it came time to do business with Steve, he jobbed (rumours of threatened asskickings aside). When it came time for Hogan to job to Sting he fucked the whole thing up. I know your whole deal about sting not being in shape. But realistically the match should.have beem 10 minutes of gaga with Sting not taking off his coat, pwning nwo members with his bat and a brief scuffle with Hogan, Scorpion death drop and cash your millions at the door. Believe me, nobody was happier than Hogan when he saw a soft Sting and had his built in excuse to fuck the finish of their most important ppv to date.
Destor
10-11-2017, 02:42 PM
Of course Michaels has a place in wrestling history, but he gets a chapter. Hogan gets his own book.
Maluco
10-11-2017, 03:26 PM
Even as a child, I was more into Macho Man than I was Hogan, but that doesn't discount for the millions that were into Hogan and how big a star he was. His look is iconic and his charisma off the charts

His matches, however, were extremely formulaic and he continued having them long after they were successful. His peak was incredible from a popularity standpoint however.

HBK on the other hand, is light years removed from Hogan in the ring. His matches were exciting, dramatic and fueled with emotion. Watching him was my very favourite time to be a wrestling fan.

With that said, I can't go against him cause HBK symbolises everything I love about wrestling and why I can't really get into it in 2017.

He is the best of all time for me
Anybody Thrilla
10-11-2017, 03:50 PM
If it were called better draw, then it would definitely be Hogan, but since it's better wrestler, and I'm a fan of wrestling, I voted HBK. I can't remember a Shawn Michaels match that I didn't enjoy, and I can't remember a Hulk Hogan one that I did that didn't have Shawn Michaels in it. Even that was for all the wrong reasons.
Destor
10-11-2017, 03:53 PM
Wrestling is a business. It takes places while shooting commercials as it does while putting in your 20 min. You know you're a good wrestler when poeple pay to see you.
Ol Dirty Dastard
10-11-2017, 03:57 PM
That is fair but we all like HBK better and would rather watch him. If this was for mainstream fans who watched before 1989 hogan would win in a landslide.

But this is for niche fans who grew up on HBK and while respecting Hogan for his abilities and drawing power arent die hard fans of his.
Ol Dirty Dastard
10-11-2017, 03:58 PM
But i totally see your argument.
Anybody Thrilla
10-11-2017, 04:04 PM
I didn't even like Hogan that much as a kid. I mean, I wasn't rooting for Earthquake or anything, but I was definitely rooting for the Ultimate Warrior, if that makes sense.
Anybody Thrilla
10-11-2017, 04:04 PM
HBK was great to me from the Rockers to retirement.
Destor
10-11-2017, 04:04 PM
My arguemnt is simply if you're being objective its a no brainer. I prefer Michaels work. But better at the job? Hogan. In their prime I would rather hire Hogan. No question.
Anybody Thrilla
10-11-2017, 04:07 PM
But since we have set no parameters for what defines "wrestler" to this game, it's all open to interpretation. If we want to run stats/skills whatever and come up with some algorithm, then I guess we could split hairs, but then we wouldn't need anyone to vote.
Ol Dirty Dastard
10-11-2017, 04:07 PM
Maybe. Depends on the environment where his act would grow stale much faster as it did in wcw. Sure he had a helacious 1996 and 97 but could not sustain the success because his act grew stale.
Destor
10-11-2017, 04:09 PM
But since we have set no parameters for what defines "wrestler" to this game, it's all open to interpretation. If we want to run stats/skills whatever and come up with some algorithm, then I guess we could split hairs, but then we wouldn't need anyone to vote.
Yeah you can use any illogical paramaters you want, of course.
Anybody Thrilla
10-11-2017, 04:09 PM
Also, Hogan is a racist. Which actually might make you a better wrestler, somehow.
Anybody Thrilla
10-11-2017, 04:09 PM
As if on cue.
Rammsteinmad
10-11-2017, 04:10 PM
Michaels all the way. Was never really a fan of Hogan when I was a ten year-old mark, and growing up and reading all the stories and knowing what Hogan was like certainly hasn't endeared him to me.
Destor
10-11-2017, 04:10 PM
Also, Hogan is a racist. Which actually might make you a better wrestler, somehow.Michaels is from TX. PROB RACIST TOO. NEVER SAW HIM JOB TO A BLACK GUY
Anybody Thrilla
10-11-2017, 04:12 PM
Did Hogan ever job to ANY guy?
Destor
10-11-2017, 04:13 PM
Did Hogan ever job to ANY guy?
Once. He regretted it.
Destor
10-11-2017, 04:13 PM
http://www.wwe.com/f/styles/gallery_img_l/public/all/2017/06/009_58_Ultimate-Warrior-02--c6c21fb9c37585328d005a82919e5262.jpg
Anybody Thrilla
10-11-2017, 04:14 PM
Michaels is from TX. PROB RACIST TOO. NEVER SAW HIM JOB TO A BLACK GUY

You know, he probably WAS responsible for what they said the Hart Foundation did to the NOD's locker room.

But I also said that being racist probably makes you a better wrestler, somehow.

THIS POST BROUGHT TO YOU BY DOK HENDRIX
Sixx
10-11-2017, 04:14 PM
HBK is basically Ted Nugent of wrestling.

I don't even care about Hogan being racist, the worse thing was his explanation. Dude spoke about this like he was from the hood and shit. Old-ass white guy saying bollocks like that is just retarded.
Mr. Nerfect
10-11-2017, 05:41 PM
Knew this was going to be the HOF round match. Voted for Hogan because star power is the #1 goal and Hogan is that guy.
Swiss Ultimate
10-11-2017, 06:09 PM
Way bigger star in every meaningful way. If they're being subjective the choice is easy. If this is "who I like best" then it will also be easy.

Yeah. Hogan was bigger. HBK was better.

Hogan drew more, HBK delivered more.

Both were huge cocks though.

I go with HBK.
Swiss Ultimate
10-11-2017, 06:11 PM
Did Hogan ever job to ANY guy?

Helicopter Sting and Brock Fn Lesnar.
Ol Dirty Dastard
10-11-2017, 06:16 PM
Yeah i kind of like swiss's analogy. Hogan is transformers, Michaels is Spotlight. Transformers drew more at the box office but i will watch Spotlight a million fucking times before Transformers.
Ol Dirty Dastard
10-11-2017, 06:18 PM
Main point is are you going to tell me Transformers is a better movie than Spotlight?
Destor
10-11-2017, 06:18 PM
Technically Hogan would be Avatar
Ol Dirty Dastard
10-11-2017, 06:21 PM
Not a ringing endorsement
Anybody Thrilla
10-11-2017, 06:22 PM
That's how much he's worth, though.
Ol Dirty Dastard
10-11-2017, 06:24 PM
Yep. And other movies that drew less were better movies. Other wrestlers who drew less were better wrestlers.
Ol Dirty Dastard
10-11-2017, 06:26 PM
You coullllld go as far to call Hogan the Marvel franchise to be a little more fair to his far reaching success
.. Or Star Wars. Then the parallels get interesting.
Sixx
10-11-2017, 06:28 PM
Technically Hogan would be Avatar

Hey, Avatar was racist, too! Coincidence? I THINK NOT
Destor
10-11-2017, 06:31 PM
Analogy is bad though. Paying customers paid to see hogan for 25 years. Thats what good wrestlers do, they convince you theyre worth your money.

I love Chris Benoits work. Could watch him forever. He isnt better than john cena, cena convinced more people that he was worth money. Thats the business.

Michaels convinced you, and you voted for him based off that...thay means youre getting worked even now.

Hogan was better, he worked more people...he just hasnt aged well. I can say that...because its an objective opinion...ive never seen a hogan match i liked post...88...ish. lesnar killing him was great.

He's still easily better than the much more entertaining HBM.

But we will have the WHATS A RASSLER argument for 10 pages...every 3 days ornso...
Ol Dirty Dastard
10-11-2017, 06:35 PM
Im familiar with the drawing power argument. It holds weight but not enough for me to say Hogan is better than Michaels.
Ol Dirty Dastard
10-11-2017, 06:36 PM
Hogan was really good before 88 though. Was pretty damn mobile for a big lug.
Sixx
10-11-2017, 06:39 PM
Back when he used the lariat as his finisher.
Ol Dirty Dastard
10-11-2017, 06:42 PM
That was mostly in japan i believe
Sixx
10-11-2017, 06:45 PM
Yeah. But that move looked way better than his shitty leg drop.
Emperor Smeat
10-11-2017, 06:59 PM
Tough choice but gave the slight nod to HBK.

Give HBK the nod in terms of in-ring skills and Hogan the nod in terms of promo skills and character/gimmick. Hogan was the bigger star in terms of drawing power but felt HBK's career longevity was better albeit with the years long break.

Both did some damage to their respective companies although HBK's damage to the WWF was fixable compared to Hogan playing a major role in WCW's demise and Impact's damaging downward spiral.
Ol Dirty Dastard
10-11-2017, 07:01 PM
Also HBK vs Hogan is not the same as Cena vs Benoit

Benoit's weaknesses are way too glaring as much as I love him in ring. HBK brought much more to the table.
Destor
10-11-2017, 07:03 PM
Nah, in ring is then only place HBM put shines hogan so the comparison is perfect.
Destor
10-11-2017, 07:04 PM
Every other measurable Cena trumps Benoit and the answer would be clear to anyone being objective....should be the same here
Lock Jaw
10-11-2017, 07:06 PM
Way bigger star in every meaningful way. If they're being subjective the choice is easy. If this is "who I like best" then it will also be easy.

My arguemnt is simply if you're being objective its a no brainer. I prefer Michaels work. But better at the job? Hogan. In their prime I would rather hire Hogan. No question.

Destor has convinced me to vote for Hogan. Even though I never really liked Hogan. Even as a kid I was more into Macho Man and Ultimate Warrior.

I'm pretty sure I have voted on who I like more in the past, but since Hogan is so far behind I will let myself be convinced and vote for him.
Ol Dirty Dastard
10-11-2017, 07:06 PM
Michaels was still good on the mic and had the character element nailed. not as good as Hogan but still good.

Benoit was great in the ring but utterly bland in every other way.
Lock Jaw
10-11-2017, 07:08 PM
https://media.giphy.com/media/144onOs6QxkYj6/giphy.gif
Destor
10-11-2017, 07:11 PM
Destor has convinced me to vote for Hogan. Even though I never really liked Hogan. Even as a kid I was more into Macho Man and Ultimate Warrior.

I'm pretty sure I have voted on who I like more in the past, but since Hogan is so far behind I will let myself be convinced and vote for him.:y:

Michaels was still good on the mic and had the character element nailed. not as good as Hogan but still good.

Benoit was great in the ring but utterly bland in every other way.of course, but since hes not as good those aspects dont matter, the winner is hogan. So HBM is winning because his matches were a billion times better...hence benoit v cena makes perfect sense.
Ol Dirty Dastard
10-11-2017, 07:13 PM
Well Cena is still a pretty damned good worker. Not a technician a la Benoit but unlike Hogan (circa 1988 and beyond) he actually tries in the ring and has good matches.
Ol Dirty Dastard
10-11-2017, 07:14 PM
I like Benoit better than Cena but I'd vote Cena over Benoit.

IMO Michaels is an all time great and while Hogan drew more, HBK IS THE SHOWSTOPPA
Sixx
10-11-2017, 07:14 PM
Hogan's big boot is the laziest big boot I've seen.
Maluco
10-11-2017, 07:15 PM
I dunno about that logic. I don't think it's wise to go trait to trait. You have to look at the whole performer. HBK was entertaining as an all round personality too and had a cool gimmick and character. He was charismatic (just look at his entrance)

He was a fantastic package in his own rite. Just cause Hogan was more over and has more charisma, doesn't take away from what HBK was.

His charisma doesn't go to zero, just because Hogan had more.
Destor
10-11-2017, 07:16 PM
Yeah everyone from the cartoon era...so bad. Everything looks so fake...ugh
Destor
10-11-2017, 07:16 PM
I dunno about that logic. I don't think it's wise to go trait to trait. You have to look at the whole performer. HBK was entertaining as an all round personality too and had a cool gimmick and character. He was charismatic (just look at his entrance)

He was a fantastic package in his own rite. Just cause Hogan was more over and has more charisma, doesn't take away from what HBK was.

His charisma doesn't go to zero, just because Hogan had more.
If youre grading by category though, which is common for people, hogan wins every aspect save one.
Ol Dirty Dastard
10-11-2017, 07:17 PM
I dunno about that logic. I don't think it's wise to go trait to trait. You have to look at the whole performer. HBK was entertaining as an all round personality too and had a cool gimmick and character. He was charismatic (just look at his entrance)

He was a fantastic package in his own rite. Just cause Hogan was more over and has more charisma, doesn't take away from what HBK was.

His charisma doesn't go to zero, just because Hogan had more.

Thank you. You said it in a much smarter way than I could.
Anybody Thrilla
10-11-2017, 07:18 PM
But Cena has been in a lot of enjoyable matches. Not so much Hogan.
Anybody Thrilla
10-11-2017, 07:18 PM
Sorry, didn't refresh when I posted that. Leaving it though.
Destor
10-11-2017, 07:19 PM
But Cena has been in a lot of enjoyable matches. Not so much Hogan.
Hogan had some iconic ones though so i think its a fair trade off
Anybody Thrilla
10-11-2017, 07:29 PM
I don't. I'm not about to go back and watch Hogan/Andre, but I might fucks with more than a few Cena matches. Punk/Michaels/Umaga/Styles...just to name a few that just popped into my head.

Basically this argument is the same as before though. Better draw versus better wrestler. I voted for the wrestler.
Destor
10-11-2017, 07:34 PM
*better matches

Wrestler isnt that narrow
Anybody Thrilla
10-11-2017, 07:38 PM
I've explained why I voted, and since I'm allowed to vote however, it's all good.
Anybody Thrilla
10-11-2017, 07:39 PM
To me, a wrestler is a wrestler who makes wrestlings in a wrestle ring. And Shawn Michaels is clearly that.
Destor
10-11-2017, 07:40 PM
Yeah you can use any illogical paramaters you want, of course.

I fully support your right to do this. I rep shisen when he votes for the most white wrestler all the time.
Ol Dirty Dastard
10-11-2017, 07:44 PM
But it's not illogical. We are simply grading on a different metric.

It's not "Most monetarily successful wrestler", it's "Best wrestler". Of course, being a draw plays its part, but it's not the be all and end all.
Sixx
10-11-2017, 07:45 PM
I fully support your right to do this. I rep shisen when he votes for the most white wrestler all the time.

Shisen must love Sheamus.

Then again, he's ginger. Hmmm.
Destor
10-11-2017, 07:47 PM
Apparently in ring is tho. Ergo Dean Malenko > Hogan
Destor
10-11-2017, 07:48 PM
Shisen must love Sheamus.

Then again, he's ginger. Hmmm.

Not american enough. All non american white people are like albino black people to him
Ol Dirty Dastard
10-11-2017, 07:48 PM
Not at all. Love me some Deano Machino, and he had his place on the card to be dynamite, but HBK was captivating.
Sixx
10-11-2017, 07:50 PM
Not american enough. All non american white people are like albino black people to him

Damn, I guess I'm now allowed to wear saggy pants, rap and call people "niggers".
Destor
10-11-2017, 07:51 PM
You always could, you just didnt believe in yourself
Destor
10-11-2017, 08:02 PM
Wil. Someone please look at the pic from page 1 and tell me that there isnt sometning weird about it
Destor
10-11-2017, 08:02 PM
Is HBMs head photoshopped or what
Swiss Ultimate
10-11-2017, 08:06 PM
Analogy is bad though. Paying customers paid to see hogan for 25 years. Thats what good wrestlers do, they convince you theyre worth your money.

I love Chris Benoits work. Could watch him forever. He isnt better than john cena, cena convinced more people that he was worth money. Thats the business.

Michaels convinced you, and you voted for him based off that...thay means youre getting worked even now.

Hogan was better, he worked more people...he just hasnt aged well. I can say that...because its an objective opinion...ive never seen a hogan match i liked post...88...ish. lesnar killing him was great.

He's still easily better than the much more entertaining HBM.

But we will have the WHATS A RASSLER argument for 10 pages...every 3 days ornso...

Lot more people buy spam than lobster.
Destor
10-11-2017, 08:08 PM
They wouldnt if tickets were the same price, and michaels tickets were cheaper
Sixx
10-11-2017, 08:08 PM
Looks like his whole body is photoshopped into the background and then his head is photoshopped from yet another pic.
Swiss Ultimate
10-11-2017, 08:10 PM
But it's not illogical. We are simply grading on a different metric.

It's not "Most monetarily successful wrestler", it's "Best wrestler". Of course, being a draw plays its part, but it's not the be all and end all.

Jay Leno was a big draw.
Destor
10-11-2017, 08:11 PM
Looks like his whole body is photoshopped into the background and then his head is photoshopped from yet another pic.

Right????
Swiss Ultimate
10-11-2017, 08:20 PM
They wouldnt if tickets were the same price, and michaels tickets were cheaper

Spam still draws more than lobster.

Still, i see your point.

How about Hogan is McDonalds and HBK is (insert favorite fast food restaurant)?
Sixx
10-11-2017, 08:21 PM
Can someone please explain this to me?

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/FyhJKRTsgMU/maxresdefault.jpg
Destor
10-11-2017, 08:21 PM
That cant be real
Anybody Thrilla
10-11-2017, 08:33 PM
Wil. Someone please look at the pic from page 1 and tell me that there isnt sometning weird about it

I thought it had something to do with his right foot and the reflection of the floor or something.
Anybody Thrilla
10-11-2017, 08:34 PM
Actually, his whole body.
Bad News Gertner
10-11-2017, 08:56 PM
Hogan by a mile.
#1-norm-fan
10-11-2017, 09:09 PM
Way bigger star in every meaningful way. If they're being subjective the choice is easy. If this is "who I like best" then it will also be easy.

It has to be subjective. "Who drew more" is objective. If that's how you're supposed to judge these things then the whole idea of Better Wrestler is retarded since there's a definitive right and wrong. There's WAY too many factors that go into someone drawing to use it as the gauge of how good the wrestler himself is. You've gotta say to yourself "If all conditions around both men are the exact same and put them on equal footing, who do I think would excel more."

In this case it's probably still Hogan. But fuck it. Glad HBK is somehow leading this thing because he is the Goddamn man.
Destor
10-11-2017, 09:22 PM
When the gap is this wide its its hard to make an objective case for michaels. No one has yet
Destor
10-11-2017, 09:29 PM
But i agree with your point. Hogan is the longest sustainable draw of all time, but in my mind he isn the goat. Why? Because draw is but one, albeit massive, metric but it isnt EVERYTHING.

But if we're talking draw, workrate, promos, legacy etc etc etc hogan isnt going to trail anythig but matches. And we have 3 pages of people saying "well i liked him more." Which is fine, its just that isnt objective.

And yeah, same time, same screen time, both in their prime. Hogan is better. Hell an over the hill Hogan had more viewers than an in his prime michaels did. These guys did gp head to head every monday after all.
Anybody Thrilla
10-11-2017, 09:31 PM
Viewers though? That's draw again. Michaels is more fun to watch for me. And that's all wrestling is to me. Fun. Not gates and buys or whatever the fuck.
Simple Fan
10-11-2017, 09:41 PM
Viewers though? That's draw again. Michaels is more fun to watch for me. And that's all wrestling is to me. Fun. Not gates and buys or whatever the fuck.

This is how I vote as well. I don't always give a reason for my vote because sometimes I feel it's an easy match up. Didn't see a lot of Micheals growing up but Hogan and the NWO was my during my childhood and I watched more WCW. Hate Hogan for what he did to TNA but as far as wrestling goes I had to go with Hogan. Being able to go back and watch stuff on the Network is great though and Hogan still comes out on top as he was a much bigger star for a much longer time.
Destor
10-11-2017, 09:41 PM
Yes, you liked michales better. Thats fiar, it wasnt the question but it was your answer. Youre free to give it
Blue Demon
10-11-2017, 11:59 PM
Hogan to me was better, though it may have to do with nostalgia....I just felt he had a better presence to him.
Sepholio
10-12-2017, 12:20 AM
HBK. At this point there is no need to give a reason. BUT I WILL

I never vote based on draw, just over who I personally think was more talented overall when based on in-ring work and promos taken as a whole. Hogan was a slightly better promo than HBK, but HBK was LIGHTYEARS beyond Hogan in the ring.

I don't like using their draw as a metric, anyways, as a large part of the draw is in how creative books them and has nothing to do with their acting ability (like promos) or their in-ring work. It may not be a perfect example, because it wasn't sustainable, but take Goldberg. He was the single biggest draw ever during the streak and for a period after it ended. Goldberg also sucks sweaty goat balls as a wrestler imo. Statistically Konnan was a bigger draw than Hogan over the 90's; does that make him better than Hogan overall? NO WAY. Draw just isn't a good metric for me.
Ruien
10-12-2017, 08:39 AM
Hogan. HB K was a really amazing wrestler but Hogan had an aura about him that was magical.
wwe2222
10-12-2017, 09:49 AM
Tough call. My top two favorites of all time. Have to think on this one.
Big Vic
10-12-2017, 10:32 AM
I voted for HBK because his movie "The Resurrection of Gavin Stone" reminds me of the "resurrection stone" from Harry Potter.
Sixx
10-12-2017, 10:35 AM
I voted for HBK because his movie "The Resurrection of Gavin Stone" reminds me of the "resurrection stone" from Harry Potter.

Nerd.
Destor
10-12-2017, 10:36 AM
still more objective than most of the reasons thus far
Evil Vito
10-12-2017, 10:43 AM
If it were called better draw, then it would definitely be Hogan, but since it's better wrestler, and I'm a fan of wrestling, I voted HBK. I can't remember a Shawn Michaels match that I didn't enjoy, and I can't remember a Hulk Hogan one that I did that didn't have Shawn Michaels in it. Even that was for all the wrong reasons.

Just gonna have to echo ABT here.
Evil Vito
10-12-2017, 12:42 PM
Personally I just don't really give a fuck who drew the most money. If I was running a promotion I obviously would. But I'm not. I'm a fan who values great work in the ring above pretty much everything else. Personality, character, and promo ability would all factor in after that.

One thing I'll give Hogan credit for is that he was a better heel than Shawn, in my humble opinion. My god I hated Hollywood Hogan so much. Never had the same desire to punch Shawn in the face.

But overall package I still greatly prefer Shawn.
Destor
10-12-2017, 12:46 PM
Everyone prefers shawn, that poll would be a no brainer too. Preffered wrestler #81 Hogan v shawn would be a sweep for sure.
Bad News Gertner
10-12-2017, 12:48 PM
Lol I prefer Hogan
Destor
10-12-2017, 12:54 PM
Everyone but Gert perefers Shawn
Anybody Thrilla
10-12-2017, 01:17 PM
Why did Hogan call someone a Jiggly Jiggly Jew?
KIRA
10-12-2017, 05:12 PM
Just could never see what people saw in Hogan

HBK takes it
Bad News Gertner
10-12-2017, 06:46 PM
Not sure if you grew up during Hogan's first reign. I started watching in 87 and was instantly a Hulkamaniac
KIRA
10-13-2017, 12:10 AM
I was around but I was only 2.

I found Warrior more interesting visually but I started actually watching wrestling because of The Undertaker
#1-norm-fan
10-13-2017, 12:16 AM
I was basically born a wrestling fan in '84. Hulk Hogan was God.
Bad News Gertner
10-13-2017, 01:56 AM
Hogan is like ECW. If you didn't experience it first hand, it's hard to explain the undying appeal to its fans.
#1-norm-fan
10-13-2017, 02:04 AM
According to my mother, the first words I ever spoke were "Hulk Hogan". Not even kidding.
Blonde Moment
10-13-2017, 02:49 AM
Hogan screwed around too much backstage later in his career and while HBK wasn't much better didn't "appear"to do anywhere near as much damage to the product as Hogan did in the end.
Nicky Fives
10-13-2017, 03:16 AM
For as much as Hogan made WWF, he killed WCW....
#1-norm-fan
10-13-2017, 04:00 AM
Hogan is responsible for WCW ever seriously competing with WWF in the first place.

You could easily make the case that he made WWF and then left them to make WCW to the point where it almost killed the first company he made. No other wrestler has ever been big enough to be able to control the entire industry to that extent.
Swiss Ultimate
10-13-2017, 02:52 PM
Who did more for the business?

I'd say Hogan by bringing in millions of fans.

Still prefer HBK.
Swiss Ultimate
10-14-2017, 01:01 PM
HBK is better at wrestling. Hogan is better at being pushed as the top guy and taking steroids.

Need to clarify.
#BROKEN Hasney
10-14-2017, 06:42 PM
I didn't actually like wrestling in the 80's and then got hooked from WCW Saturday Night on ITV when they had all their jobbers know, but they were high flying jobbers.

Only started liking Hogan after the now turn. Probably helped we didn't get the PPVs so I never had to watch him wrestle.
Mr. Nerfect
10-16-2017, 11:32 AM
Wrestling is a business. It takes places while shooting commercials as it does while putting in your 20 min. You know you're a good wrestler when poeple pay to see you.

This is a great post. I see people talking about how great HBK was in the ring and on the mic, but what was the purpose behind those? What do people think a promo is there to do? Hogan's promos changed the world. Shawn Michaels can be more eloquent all he wants, but when people say that "HBK is the better promo," do they realize that the goal of a promo is talk people into a building and to spend money to see them?

I mean, effectiveness of the work needs to be evaluated, and there have been fewer wrestlers as effective as Hulk Hogan. That was his job. To go out there and captivate people -- which he did on an undeniably huge scale.

The goal of professional wrestling is to make as much money as possible. Hogan was a fucking master at that. Hogan did far more with far less than what HBK managed.

I always find the best way to answer these polls is to think "If I'm trying to promote wrestling, who would I rather have on my roster, and who would I rather my rival get?" And I'm sorry, but if I draw Hulk Hogan and you draw Shawn Michaels, then I am going to win all the money. And that is painful to say, because you'd probably take Shawn Michaels over most other people on the planet, because most other guys didn't draw either. You can have great bell-to-bell guys flying around underneath. It's a shame if it's not Shawn Michaels, but them's the breaks in these hypothetical situations.

That being said, you can have performative stars -- people who do get "famous" because of the quality of their work. HBK is one of those, for sure. He is the "wrestling fan's wrestler." I actually think Cena and HBK are possibly one of the best one-two punches of different types of star WWE has ever mustered. Because Cena is the one that you want to get over through media presence, etc., and HBK is the critics' choice. Everybody makes out that WrestleMania 23 drew based on Donald Trump and Vince McMahon, solely, but I think something was there in Michaels vs. Cena. Rock and Michaels would be even better. Austin and HBK would be better than Cena and HBK too. But Michaels is great for a certain part. One of the best for it, actually.

That's the best argument I can mount against the drawing argument. Hogan was a certain type of star -- one that shines in our culture the brightest. But there are other types of star that can be used to make money in other ways. I don't know -- I'm trying, haha.
Mr. Nerfect
10-16-2017, 11:37 AM
I really wish HBK had spent more time as WWE Champion in the mid-00's. I think, for the longest period there, he really was their top guy. Cena didn't draw right away. I just wonder how things would be different if Cena was chasing Michaels' spot for a few years. It was largely the tenacity of that push that people resisted. And he was so young and green when they jammed him into it. Cena was always good, don't get me wrong, but Austin said it all started to click for him about 7 years in. By then Cena was already in the stage of his career where the perception was set.

I dunno -- just thinking out loud about HBK. I wonder if he could have been a bigger star if he had come back to be on top in that period?
Destor
10-16-2017, 11:37 AM
That's the best argument I can mount against the drawing argument. Hogan was a certain type of star -- one that shines in our culture the brightest. But there are other types of star that can be used to make money in other ways. I don't know -- I'm trying, haha.
Absolutely, but when it's either or...the answer is clear
Mr. Nerfect
10-16-2017, 11:51 AM
Yeah, I couldn't really come around on my own point there. I mean, I saw the Transformers/Spotlight analogy earlier, and I like it, up to the point where I know which one is the better *franchise*. A wrestler isn't one event. I think the movie analogy might hold up with matches, but I don't think it works when summarizing a wrestler's career.

Besides, if I was trying to produce films, I know which one I would rather produce. Transformers. Then I would have enough money to do whatever other crap I wanted.
Mr. Nerfect
10-16-2017, 11:55 AM
And besides, Hogan is closer to Star Wars than Transformers. Unless you count all the Transformers, so you can have the glorious '86 stuff and the Michael Bay stuff can be his WCW run. Spotlight also made its money back. You'd probably need to compare Michaels to a movie that kind of...well, sucked a lot more, really. At least at getting people to watch it.

"Good movies" and "good wrestling" aren't the same thing, because "good movies" draw better than "good wrestling."
DAMN iNATOR
10-16-2017, 01:42 PM
Hate to be this guy, kinda, but I'm hoping #82 won't be someone with a next to guaranteed chance to go in the BW HoF. IMO, it is an honor that needs to be earned, not that Shawn didn't, necessarily, but I'm just sayin'.
Destor
10-16-2017, 01:43 PM
Has that ever been the case?
Anybody Thrilla
10-16-2017, 01:55 PM
No, DAMN iNATOR is just a stupid bitch. You know how it goes.
Ol Dirty Dastard
10-16-2017, 02:41 PM
Bladerunner 2049 is probably going to draw a net loss
Anybody Thrilla
10-16-2017, 02:48 PM
And who is that? Dolph Ziggler?
Mr. Nerfect
10-16-2017, 07:18 PM
And who is that? Dolph Ziggler?

:lol:
Mr. Nerfect
10-16-2017, 07:18 PM
Gallows & Anderson? Mark Henry? Khali?
Ol Dirty Dastard
10-16-2017, 07:59 PM
Bladerunner 2049 was quite good. Just over indulgent and full of itself. So yes... Dolph Ziggler.
Mr. Nerfect
10-16-2017, 08:19 PM
Haven't seen it yet. But yeah, that sounds pretty Dolphish.