TPWW Greatest Manager of All Time Tournament: Qualifying Round Part 1

[#1-norm-fan]

Gonna try to do a tournament once every couple months or so to decide TPWW's definitive favorite in different categories. First off... THE GREATEST MANAGER OF ALL TIME TOURNAMENT. For the sake of not making it too cluttered, I'm splitting this qualifying round into 2. There will be a total of 64 managers in this tournament. WHO WILL WIN??? (Alright, there isn't a lot of drama here. But the journey/discussion could be fun at least...)

Bobby Heenan

http://www.onlineworldofwrestling.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/bobbyheenan.jpg

vs

Oscar

http://68.media.tumblr.com/d36ca65a0f582ad05d75569426aa54af/tumblr_inline_n7kba43d6y1r5344l.png

Paul Heyman

http://www.armpit-wrestling.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/paul-e-dangerously-1.jpg

vs

Debra

http://images5.fanpop.com/image/photos/31100000/Debra-Queen-of-WCW-former-wwe-diva-debra-31132442-335-479.jpg

Freddie Blassie

https://gs1.wac.edgecastcdn.net/8019B6/data.tumblr.com/tumblr_m5twzsHhgS1rwq85xo1_1280.jpg

vs

Daivari

http://ecwfrenchtribute.free.fr/HTLM/Photos/K/Khosrow_Daivari/Khosrow_Daivari_-_Shawn_Daivari_04.jpg

Capt. Lou Albano

http://www.wwe.com/f/styles/gallery_img_l/public/photo/image/2009/10/12080932.jpg

vs

Baby Doll

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/53/f9/a5/53f9a5651b20cfa9cdb141a70b9433e2.jpg

JJ Dillon

http://slam.canoe.com/Slam/Wrestling/2007/04/03/dillon_jj.JPG

vs

Truth Martini

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/Iryq35SDuyo/maxresdefault.jpg

Gary Hart

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/54/28/6f/54286f7d339770a8dd30f37ca01bcaaf--gary-hart-wrestling.jpg

vs

Scott D'Amore

http://www.profightdb.com/img/wrestlers/thumbs-600/295e92b5b5scottdamore.jpg

Harvey Wippleman

http://www.catch-arena.com/photos/catcheurs/harvey-wippleman/harvey-wippleman-hwippleman-1341525464.jpg

vs

Kimberly Page

http://www.geocities.ws/Colosseum/Arena/9454/wowpic-kimberly009.jpg

Zeb Colter

https://i.pinimg.com/564x/76/a3/4f/76a34ffa4d6eadba37ebad6cc6c36476--mantels-dutch.jpg

vs

Trish Stratus

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/04/f2/f5/04f2f5faadc05baeea3dcefb00a223e3.jpg

Theodore Long

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/c9/a6/33/c9a6331e25c203432b3e0bdc05ef2485--wrestling.jpg

vs

Vickie Guererro

http://www.profightdb.com/img/wrestlers/thumbs-600/e1a0debedcvickieguerrero.jpg

Slick

http://www.onlineworldofwrestling.com/pictures/s/slick/01.jpg

vs

Mr. Fuji

http://www.onlineworldofwrestling.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/Mr-Fuji-2.png

Frenchy Martin

http://www.pwpix.net/wp/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/WWE-Encyclopedia-1194-faf7f96544419766a887a4626f92b7cb-620x400.jpg

vs

Ric Flair

http://wetalkwrestling.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/ric-flair.jpg

Paul Ellering

http://pm1.narvii.com/6464/5c7e03b423b07d23ebd1293245493fdad5f4a463_hq.jpg

vs

Abraham Washington

http://wetalkwrestling.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/Abraham.jpg

Armando Estrada

http://orig10.deviantart.net/7e5b/f/2012/221/6/5/armando_estrada_photostudio_by_windows8osx-d5aj25n.jpg

vs

Harley Race

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b5/Harley_race.jpg

Joel Gertner

http://www.onlineworldofwrestling.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/JOEL_GERTNER.jpg

vs

Matt Striker

http://www.gerweck.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/mattstriker.jpg

Kevin Sullivan

http://lzimages.lazygirls.info/dungeon_of_doom_the_taskmaster_kevin_sullivan_HD7S58BQ.sized

vs

Sonny Onoo

https://411mania.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/Sonny-Onoo-645x370.jpg

Sensational Sherri

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-urepQZ0IjNM/UutMAQfc43I/AAAAAAAAB40/H0Wi8EMInuw/s1600/01.jpg

vs

Stephanie McMahon-Helmsley

http://www.wrestlescoop.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/stephanie-mcmahon-helmsley-16.jpg

[Destor]

4 or 5 of these a tough

[Simple Fan]

Great idea and great category to start off with. Wrestling managers are something that is lacking in wrestling today. Enzo would be a great manager I feel. Might take a while to get these first round vite in though.

[Destor]

Is a poll coming or should i list my picks?

[Simple Fan]

Yeah wa fixing to list which is what might have taken a while.

[Simple Fan]

4 or 5 of these a tough

I felt even more than that. Alot are pretty even and need some thinking. There are some that are pretty easy though.

[Mr. Nerfect]

The one I'm having trouble with most is actually Zeb Colter vs. Trish Stratus, lol. Like, Colter is great at talking...but Trish Stratus...

[#1-norm-fan]

Polls up!

[Simple Fan]

All right, now we're talking.

[Sepholio]

Where the hell is THE MOUTH OF THE SOUTH in there?

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Well, you forgot Jim Cornette and Jimmy Hart.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

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[#1-norm-fan]

This is only part 1 of the qualifying round.

Doing 64 poll options in one go would have been... yeah...

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Yay.

[Sepholio]

Theres only a couple people on that entire list that I MIGHT pick over Jimmy Hart, honestly. And it would be a HARD choice.

[Sepholio]

This is only part 1 of the qualifying round.

Ah that changes things.

ACCEPTABLE.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Baby Doll over Captain Lou Albano SimpleFan?

Disqualify all of his votes.

[Sepholio]

Probably would have noticed if I actually read your posts.....but I had to click on the shiny spoiler tags and skip that part.

[Destor]

The one I'm having trouble with most is actually Zeb Colter vs. Trish Stratus, lol. Like, Colter is great at talking...but Trish Stratus...

Trish added nothing to T&A. She was green...

[Destor]

Shout out to Sullivan for being worst on this list

[Mr. Nerfect]

Trish added nothing to T&A. She was green...

But the wood promo...

[#1-norm-fan]

Trish added nothing to T&A. She was green...

Oh, she added a couple things to it...

[Destor]

:lol:

[Simple Fan]

Agree that some are left out of this greatest manager category while there are some questionable entries as well but also recongize this is just part 1 of the qualifying round. Any way some of the compelling matchups for me were Steph vs Sherri, JJ Dillon vs Truth Martini, Colter vs Trish, Teddy vs Vickie, and Estrada vs Race. I ended up going with Steph, Dillon, Colter, Vickie, and Estrada.

[Sepholio]

Yea Teddy vs Vickie was a tough one for me, as was Estrada vs Race.

[Simple Fan]

Baby Doll over Captain Lou Albano SimpleFan?

Disqualify all of his votes.

Fuck you, Seen way more Baby Doll than I did Lou Albino. Couldn't rightfully vote for him.

[Sepholio]

I'm surprised how close Mr. Fuji vs Slick is, tbh. Mr. Fuji was the shiznittttteeee.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I really love Slick. Just think Mr. Fuji is a lot more significant and got a lot more heat.

[Destor]

Ive got a sweet spot for the diamond doll

[Mr. Nerfect]

I voted for Kimberly too. Never really impressed by Whippleman. Kimberly added something to the overall presentation of things.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Fuck you, Seen way more Baby Doll than I did Lou Albino. Couldn't rightfully vote for him.

Which one of them was fatter? :lol:

[Simple Fan]

Which one of them was fatter? :lol:

You

[Lock Jaw]

Shout out to Sullivan for being worst on this list

And Sonny Onoo for being the best. Japanese tourist with a disposable camera a premium gimmick.

[Destor]

No clue how ono is losing right now

[Simple Fan]

The most toughest for me were Steph vs Sherri, Dillon vs Truth, and Colter vs Trish. I chose Steph over Sherri just because she was involved in alot bigger storylines and obviously a bigger part of the individual
Industry, Sherri was great though.Dillon vs Truth was only hard because I'm a big fan of Truth Martini and think he's one of the best modern day managers, Dillon is the obvious choice though. Would have loved to see Truth in a better matchup really. Colter vs Trish wasn't all that hard as I took Colters previous work as a manager under a different name into the equation as well and he clearly comes out on top. Trish is hot though and the only thing good about T&A.

[Simple Fan]

No clue how ono is losing right now

I'd say alot of it has to do with lack of really seeing him. The name and face look familiar but nothing that really sticks out to me. Granted I'm younger than most on here and just haven't seen alot that happened before other than what I've personally looked up on the Network.

I've probably seen more of Onoo live but it just didn't stick out to me. Sullivan resurfacing in ROH recently though made me look him up and watch a bit of him and he just seems more interesting to me than Onoo.

[Bad News Gertner]

Kevin Sullivan is amazing. That's why.

[Bad News Gertner]

I really love Slick. Just think Mr. Fuji is a lot more significant and got a lot more heat.

Plus, Fuji managed Demolition and Yokozuna to tag and world title gold respectively. Slick was sort of a jobber manager

[Bad News Gertner]

Also, The Grand Wizard better be in the second round of polls.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Anybody voting against Ernie Roth will feel the wrath of STD.

[Sixx]

Heyman looks like Jim Belushi in that pic.

[Destor]

Kevin Sullivan is amazing. That's why.
Not as a manager he wasnt

[Bad News Gertner]

What do you consider him "managing"? He's really not a manager to begin with. He was great with the New Guinea Headhunters in Continental, his stuff with the Varsity Club and his Florida stuff.

[Destor]

What do you consider him "managing"? He's really not a manager to begin with. He was great with the New Guinea Headhunters in Continental, his stuff with the Varsity Club and his Florida stuff.
Dungeon of Doom. He was cutting promos and doing 2nd for half the stable.

[Destor]

None of it worked.

[Sixx]

Sullivan is that gimp Benoit stole his wife from, right?

[Destor]

lol correct

[Sixx]

Fuck that midget.

[Bad News Gertner]

If we are considering his Dungeon of Doom stuff as managing, then his stuff with the Headhunters and Varsity Club count too. That stuff was great.

[Droford]

Save some time and just do Heyman vs Heenan

[Sixx]

Save some time and just do Heyman vs Heenan

True dat.

[Droford]

Can't really consider the women to be Managers..they were Valets. Unless it was Alexandra York of the York Foundation

[Destor]

Can't really consider the women to be Managers..they were Valets. Unless it was Alexandra York of the York FoundationValet is sexist term TBF

[Big Vic]

If we are considering his Dungeon of Doom stuff as managing, then his stuff with the Headhunters and Varsity Club count too. That stuff was great.

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[Destor]

so bad

[Anybody Thrilla]

Some of these have no business being first round matches. Slick is getting hosed.

[Bad News Gertner]

Slick was a jobber manager.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Slick really stank

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Heenan vs oscar lol

[Big Vic]

Who is Oscar?

[Destor]

Men On a Mission

[Anybody Thrilla]

Slick was a fucking Jive Soul Bro, so why don't you guys go fuck yourselves?

[Anybody Thrilla]

He also convinced Kamala that he. Was. A MAN!

Gripping stuff.

[Anybody Thrilla]

Also, I definitely didn't vote for Slick, but you know what I mean.

[Anybody Thrilla]

Who is Oscar?

You see, it was clever because...

Men on a Mission
M.O.M.
Mabel Oscar Mo

That's how you spell King of the Ring 95

[Big Vic]

google:

greg girard oscar

and look at the description of the first link.

[Ruien]

Where is Stacy Kiebler?

[Droford]

Valet is sexist term TBF

Well so be it but its true.

[Anybody Thrilla]

Where is Stacy Kiebler?

What did she do to deserve to be in contention? Be hot and the lead Testicle? Yes, she was very, very hot. Offered nothing as a manager.

[Destor]

What did she do to deserve to be in contention? Be hot and the lead Testicle? Yes, she was very, very hot. Offered nothing as a manager.
She was manager in WCW too...

[Anybody Thrilla]

And led who to great success? David Flair?

[Anybody Thrilla]

I'll say this. There's nobody from the round here that she deserves to be on the list over.

[Destor]

I'll say this. There's nobody from the round here that she deserves to be on the list over.
Well I wasnt arguing that...well...maybe Debra

[Anybody Thrilla]

I dunno, I think Debra was good for what she was. They had similar managerial tactics. Debra's clients at least saw a slight modicum of success.

I wasn't arguing that Stacy wasn't a manager, either. I was just saying she doesn't need to be in this competition. Like, at all. Debra's not about to make it past this round either.

[Big Vic]

Debra shtick was annoying each week she stands on the apron to show her "puppies" so Jarret can pick up the W and each week the wrestler falls for it.

Debra's not about to make it past this round either.You don't know that!

[Droford]

2nd set better have
Bill Alphonso
Jim Cornette
Jimmy hart
Paul Bearer
Col Robert Parker
Clarence Mason
Eric Bischoff
Janes Mitchel/Vandenberg
The Genius
Brother Love
Afformentioned Alexandra York as she was one of the few actual Female Managers I can think of

plus valets -
Elizabeth
Missy Hyatt
Lana
Sunny

[Big Vic]

If we're including valets then we should also include Ralphus

[Anybody Thrilla]

Debra shtick was annoying each week she stands on the apron to show her "puppies" so Jarret can pick up the W and each week the wrestler falls for it.

You don't know that!

Annoying, yet effective. Plus, pretty cool boobs.

And yes. Yes I do. You think she has better tits than Paul Heyman?

[Destor]

Wait so effective..in a kayfabe sense?


Capt. Lou wins then no contest.

[Droford]

If we're including valets then we should also include Ralphus

He should be in the Bodyguards tournament with the likes of Kevin Nash, Mr Hughes (who Jericho also used) Virgil, J&J Security, Harris Bros, Chyna..

[Droford]

This should really be broke down into different tournaments

1- Actual Managers
2- Valets (will include male Valets like MEAT)
3- Bodyguards/Security

[Big Vic]

4- Personal Ring announcers

[Destor]

5-Seconds

[Destor]

6-advocates

[Big Vic]

7- Posse's (The non-"mean street" variety)

[Big Vic]

8- Family members

[Destor]

9-assorted ho's

[Anybody Thrilla]

10- Rosebuds

[Big Vic]

11- Sympathizers in terrorist style garb.

[Anybody Thrilla]

12- Druids

[Bad News Gertner]

7- Posse's (The non-"mean street" variety)

Dibiase Posse for life

[Big Vic]

13- Funkadactyls

[Bad News Gertner]

14. The Funkettes

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

FLASHHHH YOU SO FUNKY

[#1-norm-fan]

Some of these have no business being first round matches. Slick is getting hosed.

There's a lot of heavy-hitters in the second half. At a certain point it became impossible just booking squashes.

[#1-norm-fan]

This should really be broke down into different tournaments

1- Actual Managers
2- Valets (will include male Valets like MEAT)
3- Bodyguards/Security

IF I JUST MADE EVERY MATCHUP ITS OWN TOURNAMENT, WOULD THAT MAKE YOU HAPPY???

[#1-norm-fan]

On a side note: I actually liked Oscar for what he was.

Funniest option I could think of to job to Heenan though.

[Ruien]

What did she do to deserve to be in contention? Be hot and the lead Testicle? Yes, she was very, very hot. Offered nothing as a manager.

She was legit with the Dudleys.

[Ruien]

But my first comment was more of a joke than serious.

[#1-norm-fan]

Spoiler: Stacy will be in the 2nd half of the qualifying round. GREEN REP IF YOU CAN GUESS HER OPPONENT!

[Sepholio]

Paul Bearer

[#1-norm-fan]

Did not expect Vickie Guerrero vs Theodore Long to be the hot match of this half of the round.

[Droford]

Spoiler: Stacy will be in the 2nd half of the qualifying round. GREEN REP IF YOU CAN GUESS HER OPPONENT!

Battle for David Flair

Miss Hancock vs Daffney

[#1-norm-fan]

Also, I gotta say... I think Fuji's a little overrated. He was a fine gimmick manager and served a purpose. Guy could barely speak English though. They had to put Cornette in Yokozuna's corner as a second manager so they could have a legit promo guy. lol

[Droford]

but..FUJI VICE

[Bad News Gertner]

Also, I gotta say... I think Fuji's a little overrated. He was a fine gimmick manager and served a purpose. Guy could barely speak English though. They had to put Cornette in Yokozuna's corner as a second manager so they could have a legit promo guy. lol

Fuji + Muraco = gold

0EV1V8Af1uw

[Bad News Gertner]

Did not expect Vickie Guerrero vs Theodore Long to be the hot match of this half of the round.

Aside from Doom, Teddy Long was a jobber manager. Even bigger than Slick.

[hb2k]

Awesome thread idea.

WHO THE FUCK VOTED FOR HARVEY WIPPLEMAN OVER KIMBERLY PAGE!?

Granted, Kimberly wasn't exactly the Grand Wizard (missing from the voting, hopefully in round 2), but at least she played a part in getting DDP over. Who did Wippleman ever get over? He was awful in every way.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

He was pretty bad but i didnt rate Kim at all

[#1-norm-fan]

Loved Wippleman. Fuck you all.

WRESTLEMANIA MAIN EVENT MANAGER, COCKSUCKERS.

[Bad News Gertner]

Awesome thread idea.

WHO THE FUCK VOTED FOR HARVEY WIPPLEMAN OVER KIMBERLY PAGE!?

Granted, Kimberly wasn't exactly the Grand Wizard (missing from the voting, hopefully in round 2), but at least she played a part in getting DDP over. Who did Wippleman ever get over? He was awful in every way.


He was good in Memphis

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

I also think him and sid had s weird chemistry.

[hb2k]

It was all Sid. And how many times does anybody get to say that.

Downtown Bruno never did anything for me either. Maybe it's just the Memphis curse - after Jimmy Hart being absolutely incredible in Memphis for years and years (way better than his WWF work), Bruno wasn't even in the same league, and I still don't think he got anybody all that over in Memphis either in truth.

I don't rate Kim either, by the way, other than she looked great and could be sympathetic at times. She wasn't really a full-bore manager, in truth, but I'd still say she was more important to Page than Harvey was to anyone.

[Destor]

I loved the Diamond Doll. She was so lost but trying so hard. Like when she turned baby and was paired with Johnny B Bad. She had no clue what she was doing but damn it she just tried her incompetent little heart out.

[Destor]

She was my favorite trainwreck

[Bad News Gertner]

It was all Sid. And how many times does anybody get to say that.

Downtown Bruno never did anything for me either. Maybe it's just the Memphis curse - after Jimmy Hart being absolutely incredible in Memphis for years and years (way better than his WWF work), Bruno wasn't even in the same league, and I still don't think he got anybody all that over in Memphis either in truth.

I don't rate Kim either, by the way, other than she looked great and could be sympathetic at times. She wasn't really a full-bore manager, in truth, but I'd still say she was more important to Page than Harvey was to anyone.

I loved the visual of Sid and Bruno. Bruno definitely wasn't to the level of a Jimmy Hart in Memphis, but he was good as he gained more experience in the territory. I was just never a fan at all of Kimberly.

[Destor]

So bad she was good.

[Bad News Gertner]

The Booty Babe

[Destor]

HAHA exactly

[Anybody Thrilla]

I voted Wippleman. He was a fucking women's champion, for fuck sake. Kim Page never did that. Plus, fuck DDP.

[Anybody Thrilla]

I did like when Kim's titty popped out in The 40 Year Old Virgin. That was tight. Not pertinent to this poll, though.

[Destor]

She did yes

[Savio]

I did like when Kim's titty popped out in The 40 Year Old Virgin. That was tight. Not pertinent to this poll, though.

Neither is Harveys title reign!

[Destor]

I know the winner is a gimme but the prelims have been good so far

[Anybody Thrilla]

Neither is Harveys title reign!

Yes it is. I just don't have the energy to play Degrees of Separation with you right now. Possibly not ever. Definitely not ever.

[#1-norm-fan]

Man. I was sure some smartass would vote Oscar. I am shifting the seeding based on how the votes go though so Heyman is currently 1 and Heenan 2 because pfwd did not vote for Heenan. Next half of the qualifying round coming later today.

[Maluco]

How did Stephanie get 10 votes against Sherri?

[hb2k]

Moreover, how is Mr. Fuji beating Slick? Slick had the fucking greatest theme music ever and taught Kamala how to bowl. Mr. Fuji was such a shitty manager they had to hire a second manager, Cornette, to do the talking for him.

[#1-norm-fan]

EXACTLY WHAT I SAID!

[Bad News Gertner]

Fuji was one half of a crime fighting duo

[Anybody Thrilla]

KAMALA! YOU! ARE! A MAN!

Captivating.

[#1-norm-fan]

Seriously... They had to hire a manager FOR a manager because the first manager couldn't cut a promo. lol