Breaking: Brock Lesnar scheduled to feud with _______ at Survivor Series

[slik]

On phone, can’t embed:

Brock Lesnar vs. Jinder Mahal


https://twitter.com/wonf4w/status/918984235741937664

[Droford]

that will not be good for Jinder's bum shoulder

incoming Vacant title reign to get it off him without losing via injury

[#1-norm-fan]

... What?

[Destor]

Eh. Why not.

[#1-norm-fan]

There's no good outcome for this match.

[Destor]

After all, he is the only star they have. Theyve been doing a good job this year letting lesnar give guys the rub.

[#1-norm-fan]

I guess they could have Jinder and the Singhs attack Lesnar from behind before the match to cast doubt on whether he can go. Gives an excuse for Jinder to actually get a little offense in before getting beat. Outside of that, the match probably shouldn't last more than a minute.

[Destor]

If you do the match you either do a non finish of jinder wins.

Or you unify.

Cant put jinder (or SDL) under

[#1-norm-fan]

Jinder Mahal should not be going over Brock Lesnar...

[Destor]

SDL cant take the loss, neither can jinder.

[Destor]

Youd need to throw the belt in the trash.

[#1-norm-fan]

Just putting anyone and everyone over Cena is one of the reasons beating Cena isn't really all that big of a deal anymore. For fucks sake, don't make beating Lesnar the same thing.

[Destor]

Nice clusterfuck finish would work...unless you unify...if you unify then fuck it. Pin him and release him the next day.

[#1-norm-fan]

SDL cant take the loss, neither can jinder.

Youd need to throw the belt in the trash.

Sometimes "Just don't book the match" is the right call.

This is probably one of those times.

Non-finish is probably the best option and when that's the case... it's a pretty good sign that the match just shouldn't have been booked.

[Destor]

Just putting anyone and everyone over Cena is one of the reasons beating Cena isn't really all that big of a deal anymore. For fucks sake, don't make beating Lesnar the same thing.wehn did he lose last? I cant recall.

[Destor]

Sometimes "Just don't book the match" is the right call.

This is probably one of those times.

I dont get to pick the matches.

[#1-norm-fan]

wehn did he lose last? I cant recall.

Goldberg I think

[Droford]

There's no good outcome for this match.

Brock destroys Jinders shoulder
Jinder goes on the shelf
someone else wins the WWE Title

seems good to me from a "everyone hates jinder as champion" standpoint

[Destor]

Goldberg I think

Survivor Series then?

[#1-norm-fan]

Brock destroys Jinders shoulder
Jinder goes on the shelf
someone else wins the WWE Title

seems good to me from a "everyone hates jinder as champion" standpoint

There's a lot wrong with that. Even from an anti-Jinder standpoint.

Shits on the SD championship and ruins the moment they've built of someone taking the title off Jinder.

[#1-norm-fan]

Survivor Series then?

Unless you count the Royal Rumble.

[Destor]

I wouldnt...

So a loss a year. Anti streak.

[Droford]

There's a lot wrong with that. Even from an anti-Jinder standpoint.

Shits on the SD championship and ruins the moment they've built of someone taking the title off Jinder.

Theres no shame in getting destroyed by Brock Lesnar and it gives him time to get his actually fucked up shoulder healed without him getting pinned so he can come back and get..

well he can come back at least

[#1-norm-fan]

I wouldnt...

So a loss a year. Anti streak.

... He's wrestled like 4 times since then...

[Destor]

75%!

[Destor]

:lol:

[#1-norm-fan]

Theres no shame in getting destroyed by Brock Lesnar and it gives him time to get his actually fucked up shoulder healed without him getting pinned so he can come back and get..

well he can come back at least

So he would get destroyed but Brock wouldn't pin him?

[Droford]

Id have Brock beat the shit out of him so bad that the SDL lockeroom empties out to save Jinder

[#1-norm-fan]

I don't really think that solves the problem. Getting beaten so bad the locker room comes out to save your life isn't really better than getting pinned. Also, it kinda gives Jinder face sympathy.

[Droford]

he can be a face when he comes back

[#1-norm-fan]

Well this idea is just sounding worse and worse.

[Destor]

Thats way worse

[Destor]

throw some fire. All arabs can throw fire

[Sepholio]

I can see it now. They call it a unification match. Lesnar is killing Jinder, just making a mockery of him, and then The Shield (or probably just Roman Reigns) comes out and assaults Lesnar, causing the DQ and pushing the Reigns/Lesnar feud.

Either that or they unify and Lesnar starts wrestling more often. Which is probably not likely.

[#1-norm-fan]

Sand in the eyes would be more delightfully racist/attract the Indian market.

[Sepholio]

Another possibility is that this is tied to a traditional Survivor Series match. Team RAW headed by Lesnar vs Team Smackdown headed by Jinder.

[Triple A]

It's going to be a non-title match, Meltzer says

http://www.f4wonline.com/daily-updates/daily-update-survivor-series-main-event-ufc-fox-gsp-bisping-244441

Brock Lesnar vs. Jinder Mahal, with neither championship at stake, is right now the planned main event for Survivor Series in Houston on 11/19.

[Emperor Smeat]

Better option would just be to not do the match and use Survivor Series to finally dethrone Jinder. Longer Jinder's reign has gone, the worst it has become and not solely because of him.

[slik]

On the positive this match can't go longer than 10 minutes

[slik]

On the negative those are going to feel like the longest 10 minutes of any match this year

[slik]

Singh Brothers def going to eat some F5's

[slik]

Wait, the India tour is only two shows? That is why Jinder has been kept champion so long? For two house shows?

[Droford]

Theres no way they'd put him in a match vs Lesnar with a legit busted up shoulder if the intention wasnt for the shoulder to be "hurt" in the match and force him to vacate the belt even if it is a non title match

[Emperor Smeat]

Wait, the India tour is only two shows? That is why Jinder has been kept champion so long? For two house shows?

Gets worse considering the tour of India supposedly wasn't even originally planned. The rumors about it was due to WWE having a tour of Asia later this year and only Japan and maybe China were actually confirmed as locations.

[Mr. Nerfect]

WWE won't do this. For all the logistical reasons that #1-wwf-fan and Destor have laid out. Jinder is so far behind Brock in terms of perception it isn't funny. It's why Jinder isn't a star and the WWE Title hasn't meant shit lately. If this match happens, and Brock just slowly fucks Jinder, I will laugh, but I have no clue why they'd book it. Unless it is to end the Jinder experiment.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Brock scrapped the Finn Balor and Shane McMahon matches because he's too smart to sell for that shit. He's not going into overdrive to sell Jinder barely being able to put one foot in front of the other. It won't happen. If the match happens, it is to erase Jinder. Might as well unify the belts and end the brand split, but they're too stubborn for that. This is Vince McMahon imploding.

[Blonde Moment]

Gets worse considering the tour of India supposedly wasn't even originally planned. The rumors about it was due to WWE having a tour of Asia later this year and only Japan and maybe China were actually confirmed as locations.

Let's not forget they wasted Shinsuke Nakamura on this as well, I mean if they wanted to feed Shinsuke Nakamura to someone at least with Lesnar there is a potential good story there but now it seems he might be "done" and the title means fuck all

[Anybody Thrilla]

It's really astonishing to see that so many people in authoritative positions don't seem to realize that Jinder sucks doo doo.

[Shadrick]

I guess I'm in the minority here, but I like Jinder. He's got the look of a champion and he's improved tremendously on promos.

With that being said, all the racial shit with Nakamura, plus him being booked weak as a champion has me clamoring for someone to take the title from him. I do not at all blame Jinder for the lacklusterness of this title run.

[Swiss Ultimate]

Is Jinder really that bad?

[Stickman]

Jinder probably loses by count out as he takes his belt and runs away.

[Evil Vito]

I'm mostly bummed about it because it means Survivor Series will become a Raw vs. SmackDown show yet again. Fucking dumb that they put everything on hold so that people can feud because of "brand pride".

[Stickman]

The brand pride thing is so uninteresting

[Destor]

Champion vs champion =/= brand pride

If anything this might spare us a stale brand vs brand 4v4 match

[KIRA]

The WWE squandered all my other Dream matches (I still have Owens v Brock Nakamura V Brock and Asuka v Brock ) Jinder V Brock would be cool if I didnt know it was gonna be ridiculously short.

[slik]

Is Jinder really that bad?

I was all for his push at first because it was someone new getting a chance, but his promos are awful and his matches are pretty bad.

[Lock Jaw]

Yeah, it was a ridiculous push to begin with, but I decided to "give him a chance"...... and he failed.

[Sepholio]

Just gonna leave this here:
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[Evil Vito]

Champion vs champion =/= brand pride

If anything this might spare us a stale brand vs brand 4v4 match

It's definitely going to be about brand pride though. Why would the GMs decide to book their champions against each other unless they wanted to be able to pump their chest over having the "top champion of WWE"? Lesnar may not give a shit about repping Raw, but Angle will.

Anyway last year's show featured 5 interbrand matches so I'm guessing it'll be something similar this year. Really would prefer to let Raw and SmackDown have their own elimination matches, though.

[#1-norm-fan]

It's definitely going to be about brand pride though. Why would the GMs decide to book their champions against each other unless they wanted to be able to pump their chest over having the "top champion of WWE"?

This makes sense. But it would also require Daniel Bryan to seriously be like "Oh, you think your champion Brock Lesnar is better!? Well we've got Jinder Mahal!"

Which I just... can't imagine. Unless they want to go with a "Daniel Bryan's concussions are really fucking with his brain" storyline.

[Evil Vito]

That would be pretty hilarious.

[Evil Vito]

If there is a 5 vs 5 match, I guess the field would have to be:

Miz, Braun, and The Shield vs. Styles, Nakamura, KO, Zayn, Orton

I mean in theory that is a seriously hot lineup that could make for a ridiculously fun match. But even as somebody who loves 80% of the guys on that SmackDown team, I fail to see how they believably could take that Raw team.

[Mr. Nerfect]

If they're going to do brand elimination matches, I'd like them to do The Shield, Finn Balor & Jason Jordan vs. Owens, Zayn, Styles & The Usos. I don't really like how they have faces and heels on the same side, but the heel SmackDown team hiding behind AJ Styles could be fun. Then have The Miz, Braun, Sheamus & Cesaro respond to their TLC loss by attacking some SmackDown babyfaces. I'd have gone with Orton, Nakamura, Harper & Chad Gable. Shelton can be "hurt" and left out of the match.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I was fairly certain that they weren't going to do this, but then I have it some more thought, and I realized that there is nothing they won't do now. All the rules are out the window -- you can't apply logic to these sorts of scenarios anymore. The more I think about it, the more I can imagine Brock Lesnar being the one guy that Jinder Mahal isn't scared of for some reason because it makes no sense.

[Evil Vito]

The worst part of this is realizing that if they had done the logical thing and put the belt on Nakamura, we'd be getting Lesnar/Nakamura. :'(

[#1-norm-fan]

They ruined Nakamura... to put over Jinder Mahal...

Still sounds fucking bizarre.

[Sepholio]

It doesn't just SOUND bizarre....it IS bizarre. I still can't wrap my head around that one. Sure, one time Jinder goes over with his/Singh Bros hijinks, but Nakamura should have been the one to overcome those hijinks in the end.

[Destor]

They ruined Nakamura...:roll:

[Gerard]

So a match between a guy who these days just does german suplexes and an f5, and the other guy who......has people interfere so he can hit his one move on the opponent? Sounds like money. :n::shifty:

[Mr. Nerfect]

The more I think about it, the more confused I am as to why I thought Nakamura would be a good fit for the WWE. The guy's whole mystique is that he isn't like everybody else. You can't send him to the WWE where everybody is like everybody else. It was never going to be that he stood out, it was that he would be tweaked until he was safe and familiar.

[Lock Jaw]

The more I think about it, the more confused I am as to why I thought Nakamura would be a good fit for the WWE. The guy's whole mystique is that he isn't like everybody else. You can't send him to the WWE where everybody is like everybody else. It was never going to be that he stood out, it was that he would be tweaked until he was safe and familiar.

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[#1-norm-fan]

I knew it would happen. I just didn't think it would happen that fast. Again I underestimate just how good WWE is at making everything shit.

[Mr. Nerfect]

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This is perfect.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I knew it would happen. I just didn't think it would happen that fast. Again I underestimate just how good WWE is at making everything shit.

I started to have my doubts even when Nakamura was in NXT. Then when Jinder won the WWE Title I was like "It doesn't even matter anymore." Like, what does Nakamura beating the worst member of 3MB mean? Do all the ribbons and confetti after that title win you want.

[Droford]

Jinder Challenged Cena for WM 34

Who wouldn't wanna see that

[owenbrown]

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[Mr. Nerfect]

Makes sense as a match. I mean, they're in with Jinder and they're in with Reigns. The idea of Cena going after #17 is a good "B-plot" for WrestleMania. Not entirely sure they even switch the belt there though. I could see Cena taking time off after Mania and Vince being stubborn with this whole India thing. I can see the idea being that Jinder makes it through WrestleMania as the champion. Cena wouldn't mind lying down. The fan reaction would be interesting.

[slik]

When did Jinder challenge Big Match John?

[#1-norm-fan]

Makes sense as a match. I mean, they're in with Jinder and they're in with Reigns. The idea of Cena going after #17 is a good "B-plot" for WrestleMania. Not entirely sure they even switch the belt there though. I could see Cena taking time off after Mania and Vince being stubborn with this whole India thing. I can see the idea being that Jinder makes it through WrestleMania as the champion. Cena wouldn't mind lying down. The fan reaction would be interesting.

The "lolWWE" thing to do would be for Cena to win and get #17 at WrestleMania and then just drop the title right back to him the next week on Smackdown.

[Mr. Nerfect]

The "lolWWE" thing to do would be for Cena to win and get #17 at WrestleMania and then just drop the title right back to him the next week on Smackdown.

I would not at all be surprised if they did that. At all.

[Droford]

When did Jinder challenge Big Match John?

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[slik]

Damn...could see that happening tbh

[Droford]

Cena has to beat someone better than Jinder to break the "record"

[Mr. Nerfect]

The only thing I'm thinking is that Cena challenging kind of "justifies" the reign in their mind. I mean, what does anyone beating Jinder mean at this point? That's why at least the story of it being historic lends something to the program.

That being said, I'm not willing to bank that they will take the belt off Jinder until after Mania. I can see him beating JBL's "longest reigning champion in SmackDown history" thing. I also don't necessarily see him going against Cena at WrestleMania, as "obvious" as the match seems. Cena might want something else. I could honestly see AJ Styles as the Mahal opponent. They have kept them suspiciously separate (from what I've read anyway).

[Mr. Nerfect]

Could see something like this as the core of the Mania card:

* Brock vs. Reigns
* Mahal vs. AJ
* Cena vs. Braun
* Triple H vs. Balor
* Owens/Zayn vs. Orton/Shane
* Four Horsewomen stuff

[Mr. Nerfect]

So Mahal made the challenge. Why would Brock accept? In a kayfabe sense? Does he think it's going to be a night off and he'll get to annihilate the WWE Champion? Why not demand it be a title match? Cena can compete as a "free agent," why doesn't Paul Heyman just do the "Brock Lesnar doesn't fight for free" line and demand that Mahal put up his belt if he wants the fight so bad?

[Mr. Nerfect]

I'm actually going to say something good about the idea of this build -- Brock could, hypothetically, make it good, if the promise of Brock beating the shit out of Jinder Mahal is actually there. Do those UFC style hype videos where he talks about beating the shit out of Jinder Mahal. Literally. And as Jinder lays there in his own shit, people will look at the ring and think he got Jinder Mahal title reign all over him.

Get Heyman to shoot for the sky. Talk about how shit SmackDown has been. They can't work out whether that is Shinsuke Nakamura on Tuesday nights, or Yoshi Tatsu, because the Shinsuke Nakamura Brock Lesnar fought hasn't been seen since New Japan. Randy Orton's looking motivated. By that he just means that he's there. Orton hasn't had a good fight in him since Brock killed him at SummerSlam.

If you're going to do RAW vs. SmackDown, really fire people up about it. Don't try and "tell a story" between Brock and Mahal. That ain't gonna work.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Or you can just have Brock turn down the challenge and do Jinder Mahal vs. AJ Styles and have Brock Lesnar face someone else. That would be a lot better.

[slik]

Could see something like this as the core of the Mania card:

* Brock vs. Reigns
* Mahal vs. AJ
* Cena vs. Braun
* Triple H vs. Balor
* Owens/Zayn vs. Orton/Shane
* Four Horsewomen stuff


Brock vs Roman
Mahal vs Cena
AJ vs Shinsuke
HHH vs KO

Not sure who they have in mind for Braun yet

[Mr. Nerfect]

Can see that. AJ/Nakamura would obviously be fine with me, but there's just something too..."dream matchy" about it, which makes me think that come Mania time, both guys might be plugged into frustratingly separate programs.

Hey, given that he's back, Braun vs. Kane would not surprise me. Or Braun vs. Big Show in a send-off (although I'm sure he will still make appearances) for Show. By the time Mania rolls around, it would not surprise me if there is some sort of "Monster Mash" featuring Finn Balor, Braun Strowman, Bray Wyatt, Kane, Big Show and the Bludgeon Brothers at this point.

[Emperor Smeat]

According to the Observer, only reason WWE is doing this match is because they supposedly don't want to do a Balor-Lesnar match till next year. Also because they don't see Survivor Series as a major event so it was a lot easier to have a throwaway match for Lesnar in terms of opponent.

As noted, WWE Universal Champion Brock Lesnar will be on Monday's RAW in Green Bay to respond to the Survivor Series challenge from WWE Champion Jinder Mahal.

The idea of doing a Universal Champion vs. WWE Champion match for Survivor Series has been discussed for a long time, according to The Wrestling Observer Newsletter. The current mentality within WWE is that this is not considered a major match. There's also the idea that this will just be something for Lesnar to do on a big show, to build to bigger matches for him. It's likely that Finn Balor will be Lesnar's opponent for the Royal Rumble in January and then the plan has been for Lesnar to face Roman Reigns at WrestleMania 34.

[#1-norm-fan]

lol @ the WWE World Champion being a "throwaway opponent" for someone.

[Mr. Nerfect]

This company is so fucking weird sometimes.

[Black Widow]

Give him a legit career ending injury Brock.

[Simple Fan]

I'm not against this idea but I'd rather it go to a time limit draw. Something that doesn't happen in WWE anymore though. Would keep both strong and maybe even give Jinder a rub for going toe to toe with Brock.

[Anybody Thrilla]

Time limit in a PPV main event? I don't know about that.

[Simple Fan]

Time limit in a PPV main event? I don't know about that.

Well knowing WWE they are likely to put this match on before the traditional Survivor Series match and still call it the main event.

[XL]

They’d have to give the game away by announcing the time limit. Unless they just start doing time limits now.

[#1-norm-fan]

How long would this time limit be?

If it's more than 15 minutes then God no. Brock doesn't do matches longer than 10 minutes anymore and if he does, it definitely shouldn't be against someone like Jinder.

If it's 15 minutes or less then lol @ 15 minute time limit for a PPV main event.

[Simple Fan]

They’d have to give the game away by announcing the time limit. Unless they just start doing time limits now.

How long would this time limit be?

If it's more than 15 minutes then God no. Brock doesn't do matches longer than 10 minutes anymore and if he does, it definitely shouldn't be against someone like Jinder.

If it's 15 minutes or less then lol @ 15 minute time limit for a PPV main event.

Defiantly introducing a time limit would be a give away but could be something like Brock not seeing Jinder as a big enough match up and will only allocate so much of his time. Would play into Mahals character of people not taking him seriously as Champion and give him something to prove. 15 minutes does seem a bit short but 20 seems too long.

[#1-norm-fan]

Defiantly introducing a time limit would be a give away but could be something like Brock not seeing Jinder as a big enough match up and will only allocate so much of his time.

That wouldn't make sense either though. Why would Brock force a time limit because Jinder isn't worth too much of his time? Would he not think he's gonna murder him in like 5 minutes anyway?

[Anybody Thrilla]

Can we just agree that a time limit on a PPV is just a dumb idea? Unless it's a weekly show or a Television title, there's no reason for it.

[Simple Fan]

Can we just agree that a time limit on a PPV is just a dumb idea? Unless it's a weekly show or a Television title, there's no reason for it.

Normally I'd agree but for a one off match featuring the companies top two champions I think it would make more sense than having Brock destroy him or a screwy DQ with the Singh Brothers.

[Anybody Thrilla]

You wouldn't just implement some time limit from a kayfabe sense for that reason. Nobody FORCED them to do the match, so they'd better have a plan in place that doesn't involve something that never, ever happens.

[Simple Fan]

You wouldn't just implement some time limit from a kayfabe sense for that reason. Nobody FORCED them to do the match, so they'd better have a plan in place that doesn't involve something that never, ever happens.

I agree and the two fighting to a no contest might be a better idea. Just have them beat the shit out of one another, an announce table spot, bust a barrier down, and all that stuff to the point neither can go anymore.

[Mr. Nerfect]

But the whole thing with a no contest is that they didn't have to do that either. They didn't have to book this match. They should only get into this if they have a finish in mind. I can't think of a finish that isn't either a) bullshit or b) detriment to either Lesnar or Mahal. There is no excuse to put these two against each other and then do something inconclusive. If you don't want us to know who is the better man, don't book the fucking match.

Personally, I'm hoping Brock laughs at the challenge and they each move into different programs. Or Mahal claims he has the meningitis and can't wrestle Brock even though he'd like to.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

Can we just agree that a time limit on a PPV is just a dumb idea? Unless it's a weekly show or a Television title, there's no reason for it.

Nah, I would prefer it if all matches had time limits, even if they were 60 minutes. Knowing it's there for the rare matches that come close to the limit is a really tense feeling.

Throwing them out there arbitrarily in WWE now would be dumb though.

[#1-norm-fan]

Nobody FORCED them to do the match, so they'd better have a plan in place that doesn't involve something that never, ever happens.

But the whole thing with a no contest is that they didn't have to do that either. They didn't have to book this match.

Basically, logical booking says "If every realistic outcome you can think of is bad for the future then just don't book the fucking match."

But 2017 WWE booking says "Book the match and then figure something out later."

Which will probably be Brock simply going over and hammering home the point that the Smackdown title is a joke. Or Jinder going over and turning the idea of "slaying the beast" into a joke while still trying to hype it as an impossible task leading into WrestleMania.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Basically, logical booking says "If every realistic outcome you can think of is bad for the future then just don't book the fucking match."

But 2017 WWE booking says "Book the match and then figure something out later."

Which will probably be Brock simply going over and hammering home the point that the Smackdown title is a joke. Or Jinder going over and turning the idea of "slaying the beast" into a joke while still trying to hype it as an impossible task leading into WrestleMania.

Can't say it better than that.

I wonder if Jinder will get Brock'd and then go to India all sad and with something to prove?

[Emperor Smeat]

According to the Observer, WWE considering spicing up this matchup with a guest referee.

They currently have a few names under consideration with Cena's name the only one revealed so far.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Well, there's their out. Referee gets pissed off and hits move on guy they don't like allowing them to say that they were "screwed." Probably an Attitude Adjustment to Jinder.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Lol, the match itself is going to suck balls though. I also love the idea that they need to spice it up. How about just booking something genuinely spicy?

[Mr. Nerfect]

I'm not a big fan of Balor right now, but he is hot as he's ever been coming off that match with AJ. They were literally building to Jinder vs. AJ. Why not just do Brock vs. Balor and Jinder vs. AJ? After Natalya takes out Charlotte's leg, why not have Becky Lynch jump up to challenge Nattie? Why not have Alexa try to con the fem-heels of RAW to help defend her against the babyfaces? "I'll give you all title shots if we win." Owens and Zayn were en route to a Survivor Series Elimination Match. Orton and Nakamura are good starts on the other side. Ziggler for the heels. Roode for the babyfaces. The Usos for the heels. Benjamin and Gable for the faces. That way you've got different ranks of guys to beat and not a whole bunch of main eventers that all have to lose.

I just think this whole brand warfare thing is silly in the first place.

[XL]

There’s ways to make it less/not silly...but they’ve ignored them.

There’s nothing on the line other than “brand supremacy”, and the guys on either brand could end up being moved at any point so where does the brand loyalty come from?

They’ve just done the angle on Raw which sort of turned Shane and the whole SDL brand heel...but Sami just turned heel via aligning with Owens in his feud with Shane, so where does that leave Sami/Owen?

Apparently they’re saving Brock v Balor for the Rumble - although having Balor lose to Kane won’t have helped his legitimacy any.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I heard about that loss. Holy fuck.

Guys swap left and right anyway. Kevin Owens will be on Raw again acting like it's the best show ever. AJ Styles will swap, and so will Randy Orton. No one is actually attached to their brand. If I truly believed that AJ Styles really felt like Smackdown was so different to Raw and he had to prove it, I might be more interested in seeing guys fight. But as it stands they're just red shirts and blue shirts.

Kane just jumped brand for no reason. Jason Jordan got moved around earlier this year. Shelton Benjamin got signed to Smackdown as a result. Renee Young, Corey Graves, Tom Phillips and Michael Cole have worked both shows. AJ Styles just got sent over to Raw to compensate and fill-in. How does "we don't like each other because we're on the other side" even make sense?

[Mr. Nerfect]

They're doing matches to decide who captains the teams. Why would you make your teams fight heading into Survivor Series? Why do they even need captains in the sense that they've just appointed them and they just have to show up and wrestle?

[Mr. Nerfect]

Now I'm reading that they're doing Natalya vs. Bliss and Corbin vs. Miz? This is a fucking shit-show. I know wrestling isn't wrestling anymore, but is the idea here that the geek show of heels and faces changing alignments is going to attract people? This reminds me of when Russo just reset the champions because.